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Mickey Arthur is fond of both Babar Azam and Shan Masood. Babar Azam is where he is today because of Mickey's backing and everyone acknowledges it. However even Mickey Arthur suggested to Sethi to remove Babar as captain and to appoint Shan Masood as captain in atleast two of the formats.

Mickey has worked with Shan at Derbyshire so there must be a reason why he recommended him strongly to Sethi.

Pros

- Excellent eloquent speaker who can put his thoughts across in interviews.

- Educated individual and therefore there are good chances he might have good tactical cricketing acuman which will help his decision making in the field

- Shan in his different stints as captain i.e. Southern Punjab, Multan Sultans and Derbyshire has done a very decent job and he did look very competent when it comes to selections, bowling and fielding changes. One can argue that captaincy in domestic cricket is no where near as strenous as international captaincy

- Shan Masood apparently is a very hard worker and is always slogging in the gym and the nets. Will be a good role model for the team in this regards

- Maybe Shan might thrive with the added responsibility and he will start scoring runs with the bat

Cons

- His own form and lack of performances. Will the team really respect an individual who is not leading properly by example?

- Feelings of resentment in the team as the players will feel Masood is a parchi who got the position nepotistically based on who his father is and his upper class background

Watching Babar Azam's captaincy in the last 3 years and even Azhar Ali's, Sarfaraz's and Misbah's captaincy and many others, i am yearning for a captain who is actually tactically astute who can make the right decisions at the right time on the field. I can pinpoint numerous occasions under Babar's captaincy where we have lost many vital winnable matches because of poor defensive captaincy and three years into the job it is very clear that Babar has reached his ceiling as captain and he cannot improve or develop any further. Babar can score 2000 runs in a calendar year as a captain but the runs are ultimately irrelevant if he keeps making incompetent mistakes as captain on the field due to which Pakistan loses matches.

It boils my blood to see how Kohli (a batting captain) totally transformed India's mindset in all formats and has created an invincible aura for Team India at home whereas Pakistan has been badly embarrassed at home under Babar Azam.

If Shan Masood can have the Mike Brearley effect on the Pakistani team, then i am all for it.
 
If PCB does appoint him as a Captain, he will have to play down the order since he can perform as an opener. He probably him @4
 
We keep hearing that Masood is a gym rat, but all I see is a malnourished, weak man with zero power game. What does he do in the gym?

Specialists captain cannot work in modern cricket especially in a team like Pakistan where you have nowhere to hide once the team is on a losing run. It is your individual performances that shield you.

The only reason Babar has not been sacked is because he is Pakistan’s best batsman. The only reason Misbah was not sacked as ODI captain was because he was Pakistan’s most consistent batsman at the time.

Sarfaraz lost his captaincy in 2019 not because the team was not performing but because he had completely lost the plot as a batsman.

If he didn’t & was performing like he did in the recently concluded NZ series, he would probably still be captain.
 
Silly to even entertain this. Don’t have to logic everything down, some decisions are just plain stupid, like this one.

He has connections, this much is known. His dad works / worked for the PCB. 10 years, a handful of centuries in tests surrounded by a sea of mediocre and below par performances.

If he becomes captain, then it really was unjust for Sarfraz to be removed as captain before Babar took over as he too had become a specialist captain. But at least he had far more world class performances to justify becoming captain in the first place
 
cannot believe how someone with 20is of 25 deliveries can inspire the rest of the team,
 
Andy Flower on Shan:

“I think Shan Masood is a superb cricketer and his white ball confidence and white ball skills have grown tremendously over the last few years because of the exposure in PSL and also he has sort out cricket in England as well and I think that has been really good for his game, he has grown his confidence definitely. I think, he is really good captain, I have worked with him as a captain, he is outstanding young man and I don’t know what are the options available in Pakistan but as far as Shan is concerned, he is a solid man"
 
MenInG said:
Andy Flower on Shan:

“I think Shan Masood is a superb cricketer and his white ball confidence and white ball skills have grown tremendously over the last few years because of the exposure in PSL and also he has sort out cricket in England as well and I think that has been really good for his game, he has grown his confidence definitely. I think, he is really good captain, I have worked with him as a captain, he is outstanding young man and I don’t know what are the options available in Pakistan but as far as Shan is concerned, he is a solid man"
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More and more reports popping up of PCB mulling the decision to remove Babar from captaincy. Sarfraz and Shan’s name showing up for tests but Shan’s in ODIs too.

Scary times.
 
Shan as captain in ODIs and tests will be good. It is a change the team needs after not being able to finish off games well. This will do good if babar can keep his ego aside and focus on his batting. Good times for pakistan going ahead as long as groups are not made within the team
 
Shan is the biggest con act I have seen. It is hilarious how he has fooled so many people into thinking that he is a good cricketer.

He is not even associate level. An absolute joke of a player with no talent, no skill, no mentality.

He should have never played for Pakistan. Hundreds of more talented & gifted players have 0 appearances for Pakistan.
 
alishahid said:
Shan as captain in ODIs and tests will be good. It is a change the team needs after not being able to finish off games well. This will do good if babar can keep his ego aside and focus on his batting. Good times for pakistan going ahead as long as groups are not made within the team
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Yes, the solution to Pakistan’s mediocrity is to make a third class player like Masood - who averages in the 20s - captain of the Test & ODI team.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, the solution to Pakistan’s mediocrity is to make a third class player like Masood - who averages in the 20s - captain of the Test & ODI team.
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Would you like to suggest the name of a Pakistan captain which will be the best one for us?
 
Rizwan should be the guy.

He replaced Shan as the Sultans captain and did a very good job.

Rizwan as the captain in LOI.

For Tests, not Sarfraz please - take a gamble on someone like Imam or Saud or something.
 
Mamoon said:
Shan is the biggest con act I have seen. It is hilarious how he has fooled so many people into thinking that he is a good cricketer.

He is not even associate level. An absolute joke of a player with no talent, no skill, no mentality.

He should have never played for Pakistan. Hundreds of more talented & gifted players have 0 appearances for Pakistan.
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I am against Shan but that criticism of him is over the top.

With the current government only here for a few weeks or months, it doesn't really matter who they make captain. The new set up will come and bring in their own changes.
 
AS a captain he has to score runs as a batsman . Unless he does that he cannot be a captain. Its not worth giving someone a spot in XI , who cannot contribute.
 
I mean the duck machine shouldn’t be in the team but yeah let’s make him the captain. What’s more funny is the fact that some experts use to say Babar doesn’t play Shan because Shan will take over the captaincy.
 
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The days of specialist captains are long gone.

The only example I can think of is Bavuma in some formats and look at what's happened there.
 
At the moment Babar still remains the best option but if test results don't improve, he will have to be sacked. Shaan scores little and if we get smashed and he fails then whoever appointed him will look an absolute tool. Allan Border had awful results but a WC win a lack of alternatives gave him time and by 1989, nearly 5 years after he took over, the results improved and he is today considered to be one of the best ever.
 
Savak said:
Mickey Arthur is fond of both Babar Azam and Shan Masood. Babar Azam is where he is today because of Mickey's backing and everyone acknowledges it. However even Mickey Arthur suggested to Sethi to remove Babar as captain and to appoint Shan Masood as captain in atleast two of the formats.

Mickey has worked with Shan at Derbyshire so there must be a reason why he recommended him strongly to Sethi.

Pros

- Excellent eloquent speaker who can put his thoughts across in interviews.

- Educated individual and therefore there are good chances he might have good tactical cricketing acuman which will help his decision making in the field

- Shan in his different stints as captain i.e. Southern Punjab, Multan Sultans and Derbyshire has done a very decent job and he did look very competent when it comes to selections, bowling and fielding changes. One can argue that captaincy in domestic cricket is no where near as strenous as international captaincy

- Shan Masood apparently is a very hard worker and is always slogging in the gym and the nets. Will be a good role model for the team in this regards

- Maybe Shan might thrive with the added responsibility and he will start scoring runs with the bat

Cons

- His own form and lack of performances. Will the team really respect an individual who is not leading properly by example?

- Feelings of resentment in the team as the players will feel Masood is a parchi who got the position nepotistically based on who his father is and his upper class background

Watching Babar Azam's captaincy in the last 3 years and even Azhar Ali's, Sarfaraz's and Misbah's captaincy and many others, i am yearning for a captain who is actually tactically astute who can make the right decisions at the right time on the field. I can pinpoint numerous occasions under Babar's captaincy where we have lost many vital winnable matches because of poor defensive captaincy and three years into the job it is very clear that Babar has reached his ceiling as captain and he cannot improve or develop any further. Babar can score 2000 runs in a calendar year as a captain but the runs are ultimately irrelevant if he keeps making incompetent mistakes as captain on the field due to which Pakistan loses matches.

It boils my blood to see how Kohli (a batting captain) totally transformed India's mindset in all formats and has created an invincible aura for Team India at home whereas Pakistan has been badly embarrassed at home under Babar Azam.

If Shan Masood can have the Mike Brearley effect on the Pakistani team, then i am all for it.
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He doesn't merit a place in the first X1 in any format.
 
I like Shan Masood, but he should not be captain, the vice captain should be next in line ( Shadab Khan) if for what ever reason, they do not want to select him, it should be the next person in the pecking order Rizwan.

Shan, just seems to be a random selection, and he is recently making a come back in the team, Shadab, has been part of the team since 2017, and has been consistantly selected, it would make sense to have him as captain. Granted he does not play red ball cricket, if they go with Shan in Red ball, I would be okay with it, but for White ball, it should be Shadab.
 
Shan in LOIs absolutely deserves a run in the team for is brilliant performances in domestics and County for the last few years.

And he's the best brain in the team, just listen to his media engagement you'd know how astute he's as an individual and for a change in Pakistan cricket he does have a thinking brain. A polar opposite of Babar the captain.

Also a bachelor's degree in sports sciences from UK is an added advantage, which is unheard of in Pakistan
 
I like Shaan , not just because he is educated and can speak good English but because he is a sportsman and one of the few Pakistani cricketers who give physical fitness a priority.

But if he is not scoring runs he should not be even in consideration for captaincy . He had enough chances , might get some more and once he establishes himself in any format with some consistency , we can talk about captaincy . And he is not getting any younger either.
 
Babar has become an awful test captain better pitches need to be prepared at home even if we lose a series at least we can win a match his average needs to be brought down aswell by doing this to show its a team game and his statpadding needs to be curtailed totally all this average nonsense stops the team from winning with the flat pitches being prepared.

Only way this happens if Babar is removed as test captain and not Shan who needs to be dropped but somebody else is appointed it can be a short term one until a younger player who wants results and has a vision and aggressive mentality is appointed.
 
Lets put his really ordinary stats after quite a sample side aside (Which in modern day cricket you cant to be honest but still), Shan isnt event captaining his PSL side (MS) anymore and Rizwan is the captain of his franchise. This definitely is something... also what exactly Shan has shown in any other format as leader?

He is 33, struggling to establish himself as a regular. Not sure making him the captain would be the right move
 
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Mamoon said:
Shan is the biggest con act I have seen. It is hilarious how he has fooled so many people into thinking that he is a good cricketer.

He is not even associate level. An absolute joke of a player with no talent, no skill, no mentality.

He should have never played for Pakistan. Hundreds of more talented & gifted players have 0 appearances for Pakistan.
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Even for a weak batting lineup like Pakistan team. We haven't had a frontline batsmen having an average of below 30 for a very long time (who played 20 tests or more). Maybe in 1960s we had batsmen who averaged in 20s and were playing as batters.

Shan average of 28 in 28 test matches is a unique feat. yet he is being touted as some cricketing genius, all because he can speak good and fluent English. Which I am sure will be a good asset for career in Commentary. But captaincy?

So how did Shan ended up playing 28 tests? I am sure being a son of a PCB board of governor has nothing to do with it.
 
What great captaincy skills has Shan displayed that posters are willing to overlook his horrible stats and happy to play him even as a specialist captain.
 
If Shan Masood is such a good captain, why was he removed as captain of the Multan Sultans team, that too under Andy Flower's watch?

Making him captain will completely mess up the ODI side. Pakistan has a settled top 4 and making Shan captain would mean him getting fit into the top 4 needlessly to mess up everything.
 
Maybe, We can create a new post for Shan Masood. Pakistan's onsite official spokesman, so Shan can talk to the media after every match in English. LoL, anything to get him out of the playing 11.
 
Next odi series against New Zealand
Shaan (c)
Sharjeel
Babar
Haris sohail
Azam Khan(wk)
Fakhar zaman
Shahdab(vc)
Nawaz
M.Amir
Shaheen
Sameen gul
 
A lot of sports reporters in the media is reporting that the PCB is considering appointing Shan Masood as captain in ODI's and Test matches after this WC is over. The PCB wants someone else outside the clique of Babar, Rizwan, Shadab, Shaheen
 
Savak said:
A lot of sports reporters in the media is reporting that the PCB is considering appointing Shan Masood as captain in ODI's and Test matches after this WC is over. The PCB wants someone else outside the clique of Babar, Rizwan, Shadab, Shaheen
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The right move. Shan has been treated very unfairly by not being given a run in ODIs which is his best format. Makes sense to make him the ODI and Test captain until we find someone young who can take over. He's a sensible guy who would be very good for the development of the likes of Saim Ayub and Abdullah Shafiq. I was watching him bat today in the QeA final and it seemed like he was enjoying Saim bat and vice-versa and they had a very good understanding. He's also not an insecure guy like Babar and Rizwan.

shamaan said:
He can speak English.
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No, he'll have a few brain cells, which is a lot more than our current captain or any other candidate.
 
Problem with shan is his own performance doesn't merit a selection.

Also English skills don't matter. The guy is a softie. Unlike babar he won't be nepotistic or anything but he will be a dummy captain and management will walk all over him
 
Savak said:
A lot of sports reporters in the media is reporting that the PCB is considering appointing Shan Masood as captain in ODI's and Test matches after this WC is over. The PCB wants someone else outside the clique of Babar, Rizwan, Shadab, Shaheen
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Who’s responsible for this consideration? Is it Misbah?
 
I am pretty confident that Shan will atleast show much better game and tactical awareness vs Babar as captain. He has not been appointed captain of Derbyshire for nothing.
 
Savak said:
A lot of sports reporters in the media is reporting that the PCB is considering appointing Shan Masood as captain in ODI's and Test matches after this WC is over. The PCB wants someone else outside the clique of Babar, Rizwan, Shadab, Shaheen
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No chance, why would inzi put his nephews spot in the team in jeopardy?
 
If he had performed reasonably well in the limited series he played over the past year or so, and there was some fan backing for his return post WC it could have happened.

But he has no performance, no fan backing and I think his backing in the previous PCB regime was mainly through Sethi who is also gone. He won't be back.
 
Forgetting captaincy ability, Shan Masood the batter does not belong in a white ball team in 2023.
 
Savak said:
A lot of sports reporters in the media is reporting that the PCB is considering appointing Shan Masood as captain in ODI's and Test matches after this WC is over. The PCB wants someone else outside the clique of Babar, Rizwan, Shadab, Shaheen
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I will leave watching cricket if this happens. So will many supporters like myself.

The British ruled us for 200 years and left. But they shrank our self confidence by 2000 years before leaving. Its pathetic that we equate English speaking skills with being educated and intelligent.

Even on this forum, I never see people posting in Urdu when there is not an iota of chance that a non-Urdu/Hindi speaking person would ever visit this forum.

We are a pathetic country that never learns. Is not proud of its language and culture. Hopefully sense prevails and I do not see the day when a parchi like Shan becomes captain of the cricket team.
 
Mamoon said:
Shan is the biggest con act I have seen. It is hilarious how he has fooled so many people into thinking that he is a good cricketer.

He is not even associate level. An absolute joke of a player with no talent, no skill, no mentality.

He should have never played for Pakistan. Hundreds of more talented & gifted players have 0 appearances for Pakistan.
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I’m surprised someone as knowledgeable as you feels this way about Shan. For a player to do as well as he did in England and showcase his control and skill at the T20 World Cup makes him one of Pakistan’s most game intelligent and technical batters. At the very least a good player if not anything spectacular. Certainly has the skill and mentality.
 
Savak said:
A lot of sports reporters in the media is reporting that the PCB is considering appointing Shan Masood as captain in ODI's and Test matches after this WC is over. The PCB wants someone else outside the clique of Babar, Rizwan, Shadab, Shaheen
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I will boycott Pakistan cricket forever if this happens…
 
Unless there is a miraculous turnaround in the remaining matches this seems inevitable. I have mixed feelings about it, more negative than positive. Sham :p might be a way better captain and tactician than Babar but he is just not good enough for international cricket.
 
hass said:
I’m surprised someone as knowledgeable as you feels this way about Shan. For a player to do as well as he did in England and showcase his control and skill at the T20 World Cup makes him one of Pakistan’s most game intelligent and technical batters. At the very least a good player if not anything spectacular. Certainly has the skill and mentality.
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He scored one century in England and produced single digit scores in every other innings. He followed that by scoring 0,0,4,1 type scores in four innings in New Zealand.

In white ball, he is like a less consistent version of Babar and Imam so he adds nothing to the team.

After 11 years, it is very obvious that Masood is not good enough. At best, he is a 32-33 averaging player across formats and that is not good enough.

He doesn’t have the ability to be successful at the top level. You can work as hard as you want but your hard work needs to complement your natural talent. He doesn’t have that natural ability.
 
With Shafiq cementing his place as an opener and a close competition between Imam and Fakhar and Babar the skipper rock solid at 3, Shan has no place on Pakistan team for LOI
 
What’s the update guys

How is he performing in domestic cricket and is he making a case for a return to the greens
 
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Great!
Shan masood who can't last an over in swinging condition should be made captain just because he can speak english.
Him having so many fans here is baffling. He must be paying hefty for his PR.
 
Gosh please stop giving such suggestions . He is nothing cricketer just because he is educated and works hard he is made to look some kind of messiah.
 
Asif321 said:
Gosh please stop giving such suggestions . He is nothing cricketer just because he is educated and works hard he is made to look some kind of messiah.
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He has the potential of being groomed for leadership.
 
Shan is rubbish will take Imam or Shan.

Shan had his moment at the grandest of stage against Eng in Wt20 final , he should have scored some meaning ful runs but this stat paddler just holed out
 
Kianig89 said:
Shan is rubbish will take Imam or Shan.

Shan had his moment at the grandest of stage against Eng in Wt20 final , he should have scored some meaning ful runs but this stat paddler just holed out
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I disagree with Shan being a statspadder.
This year, he has significantly upped his scoring pace.
I don't think he's right for white ball cricket, but in test's he's doing well, he's educated and has captained in the county cricut as well. Could make for a good test captain imo
 
Shan's test form is also not good tbh. He is struggling to score run consistently. In white ball, he has been more prolific in domestic and counties but when he was given chance in white ball, he was not looking good. Needs more chances though in white ball but still.
 
It’s inevitable… Shan will be the new captain of Pakistan.

The guy who was dropped from red ball format, transferred into a white ball player and got dropped from that format too.
 
Shan has shown he is capable of being a vice captain from the bench so leading the time while being on the field will be no issue for him.
 
I know a domestic cricketer he has degree in Media Comm. Why not have him as captain his command and grasp on English is exceptional
 
Hard working eloquent speaking Shan Masood as Pakistan's test captain 😁
 
The only thing he has in common with Brearley is that they both speak English.
 
In the last couple of seasons, he has performed really well in County Championship and I hope that he'll perform consistently well for team Pakistan as well because he has to win some matches for Pakistan with his own performance to earn respect from PCT fans. If he and his team can do well in Australia, it is likely that we see him captaining the test side for a long time.
 
Thought I heard it all . Man Mike Brearley and Shan Masood in the same sentence as a captain.. o_OLost for words. Brearley has never been more insulted in his life .
 
Bavuma and Rabada are South Africa's diversity picks. Shami and Siraj are India's diversity picks. Shan and Imam are Pakistan's diversity picks.
 
asfandyar said:
Bavuma and Rabada are South Africa's diversity picks. Shami and Siraj are India's diversity picks. Shan and Imam are Pakistan's diversity picks.
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Bavuma is a gun captain, that's the thing.

He's a horrible player yes, but bavuma is the one who built the current sa team and sa team in 2023 did 100x better then their embrassing performances from 2013 to 2022 lol.

Atleast in 2023 they cracked a bunch of 400× totals, provided entertainment and gave Australia a tough chase in sf.

Makram, Klaseen, Var der dussan, Marco jansen, the bowling unit the spin unit, field settings, all made by bavuma.

Shan masood will not be a good captain because unlike bavuma who has respect from the dug out, No one respects shan lol.

Secondly shan is beyond relaxed and lacks the aggressive mentality that bavuma has. Bavuma is a soft stat padder but the dude is beyond aggressive when it comes to team leadership. Shan doesn't have those qualities.
 
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Savak said:
Mickey Arthur is fond of both Babar Azam and Shan Masood. Babar Azam is where he is today because of Mickey's backing and everyone acknowledges it. However even Mickey Arthur suggested to Sethi to remove Babar as captain and to appoint Shan Masood as captain in atleast two of the formats.

Mickey has worked with Shan at Derbyshire so there must be a reason why he recommended him strongly to Sethi.

Pros

- Excellent eloquent speaker who can put his thoughts across in interviews.

- Educated individual and therefore there are good chances he might have good tactical cricketing acuman which will help his decision making in the field

- Shan in his different stints as captain i.e. Southern Punjab, Multan Sultans and Derbyshire has done a very decent job and he did look very competent when it comes to selections, bowling and fielding changes. One can argue that captaincy in domestic cricket is no where near as strenous as international captaincy

- Shan Masood apparently is a very hard worker and is always slogging in the gym and the nets. Will be a good role model for the team in this regards

- Maybe Shan might thrive with the added responsibility and he will start scoring runs with the bat

Cons

- His own form and lack of performances. Will the team really respect an individual who is not leading properly by example?

- Feelings of resentment in the team as the players will feel Masood is a parchi who got the position nepotistically based on who his father is and his upper class background

Watching Babar Azam's captaincy in the last 3 years and even Azhar Ali's, Sarfaraz's and Misbah's captaincy and many others, i am yearning for a captain who is actually tactically astute who can make the right decisions at the right time on the field. I can pinpoint numerous occasions under Babar's captaincy where we have lost many vital winnable matches because of poor defensive captaincy and three years into the job it is very clear that Babar has reached his ceiling as captain and he cannot improve or develop any further. Babar can score 2000 runs in a calendar year as a captain but the runs are ultimately irrelevant if he keeps making incompetent mistakes as captain on the field due to which Pakistan loses matches.

It boils my blood to see how Kohli (a batting captain) totally transformed India's mindset in all formats and has created an invincible aura for Team India at home whereas Pakistan has been badly embarrassed at home under Babar Azam.

If Shan Masood can have the Mike Brearley effect on the Pakistani team, then i am all for it.
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So basically, the team will be playing with 10 players - if the captains does not perform with the bat or ball?
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, the solution to Pakistan’s mediocrity is to make a third class player like Masood - who averages in the 20s - captain of the Test & ODI team.
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A lot of people were screaming for Babar to be sacked, now they can start screaming to have Shan Masood to be sacked.
 
Misbha, the previous educated leader of PCT took his team to great heights. Invented a fresh new batting culture which the team follows to this day with pretty good success rate.

All the best to Shan. Seems to have worked really hard to get himself in the leadership position. :inti
 
Hopefully Shan will have the respect of his teammates to effect change in culture.
 
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