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Can Shoaib Malik make it to the 2015 World Cup squad?

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This should be an ideal squad for the WC 2015


OPENERS : Ahmed Shehzad , Mohammad Hafeez

MIDDLE ORDER : Younis Khan , Sohaib Maqsood , Misbah , Umar Akmal , Shoaib Malik, Haris Sohail

PINCH HITTERS : Sarfraz Ahamed , Shahid Afridi , Bilawal Bhatti

BOWLERS : Junaid Khan , Wahab Riaz, Sohail Tanveer , Mohammad Irfan , Raza Hasan / backup fast bowler

But IDEALLY you could have this combination so that you will be having quick scorers among tuk tuks.

If Hafeez is cleared to bowl

1. Ahmed Shehzad
2. Sarfraz Ahamed
3. Mohammad Hafeez
4. Younus Khan / Shoaib Malik
5. Haris Sohail / Sohaib Maqsood
6. Misbah Ul Haq
7. Umar Akmal
8. Shahid Afridi
9. Bilawal Bhatti / Wahab or Sohail Tanveer / Raza Hasan or BACKUP fast bowler
10. Junaid Khan
11. Mohammad Irfan

This line up will give you 5 front line bowlers (including Hafeez) and two part timers (left and right arm off spin) if Malik and Haris Sohail get to play simultaneously...

on the other hand, if Hafeez fails the test

1. Ahmed Shehzad
2. Sarfraz Ahamed
3. Shoaib Malik
4. Younus Khan / Sohaib Maqsood / Hafeez
5. Haris Sohail
6. Misbah Ul Haq
7. Umar Akmal
8. Shahid Afridi
9. Bilawal Bhatti / Raza Hasan / Wahab or Sohail Tanveer
10. Junaid Khan
11. Mohammad Irfan

Here, Haris Sohail and Shoaib Malik can bowl 5 overs each, because none of them can be entrusted to bowl the full quota.

Both Junaid Khan and Mohammad Irfan need to be rested , that is where the 3rd seamer needs to be selected carefully.
 
For future reference, don't make stupid titles that suggest on first glance that he has been included in the WC squad.
 
Why he should be in squad? What is his recent international performance? He was in CT 13 squad, what was his performance in CT?
 
Best match winner in Pakistan. He should make it.

Another Malik thread, another hate post by [MENTION=133369]Vulcan[/MENTION]. Allahu Alim!
 
There is a reason big name T20 franchises pay good money for Malik, we all see and know what he is capable of.

He was a beast in internationals as well but no one is sure what happened since 2009-2010. But I would love to have him as senior captain due to the fact that PCB have failed to groom a captain (and have quite frankly failed in planning anything). Malik is an ideal person to groom and nurture batsmen and teach them the art of LOI batting, he himself said he doesn't want to displace young performing players and named Haris Sohail, Fawad Alam, Sohaib Maqsood and Umar Akmal.
 
Any given day, Malik has 3 times more "street smartness" than most of PAK next generation hopes. & any given day, he 'll be in my team over the recent banned, former World No. 1 ODI all-rounder, making merry only due to playing most matches in Asia & bating in top 3 & bowling darters.

But, Malik has to make the team as a player first - if he can regain his form, he is the 3rd best PAK ODI batsmen in this millennium to bat at 5 (Clue - Other 2 are all time greats, be in Test or ODI). At his prime, Malik gave me the similar reliability like MSD, may be at a low intense level, but having Malik in the middle, PAK 'll hardly lose from a position of 60 required at run a ball & 5 wickets in hand.

Malik for ODI Captaincy, after 2015 WC.
 
whats his odi record again over the last 5 years?
 
Had done nothing of note in the last 2 years he played ODIs.

Looks like he's lost it at the International level. Last match he played he tried to block a full toss from duminy, and despite the bat hitting the ball, the ball still managed to roll and knock of the stumps. Not the one to care about omens and whatnot, but I think that was a sign that Steady Malik should just focus on his t20 league career which he is doing rather well in.
 
He's too smart for that , he as positioned himself perfectly and will probably be our captain in a years time
 
If he was made captain ahead of Misbah back in 2011, we would have had a well groomed unit. A positive team who would be comfortable chasing 300+ targets. Haris would be a mainstay in the team and his position would have been cemented. Hafeez would be nowhere near the team.

We will have to wait till 2019 for that now I guess.

We have wasted Malik tbh.
 
Malik was a 'could have been'. Now, he is past his best but he could have been a very captain as well as a chasing specialist but he should no be anywhere near he squad now. He has not even done anything to warrant a place in the WC squad.
 
If we are hell bent in bringing back old players for WC who are TTFS then I will pick Shoiab Malik over anyone else. Be it YK, Kamran Akmal, absence of Hafeez, a sense of Saeed Ajmal - Shoaib Malik trumps them all.

And the reason is Shoaib Malik's fielding.

He can also be handy with the bat and/or ball to make him a good utility player.

Shoaib is also definitely a better pick over Sohail Tanvir in all three facets of the game.
 
Jabo said:
Malik would do better than Shafiq YK HAFEEZ
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Down with Malik, kakmal and Yk, in with Sohaib, Fawad and Haris. Listen please stop mind these guys I'm the name of experience, these guys have been played repeatedly without merit and if you play me in 200 odis I will win you a few games as well. yk is a very average to below average odi player, compare him with any top order batsman in the world. Malik and kakmal are garbage I don't think I even need to explain that one they get in because of their 'parchees' and it was even predicted they would. Give Haris, Fawad and Sohaib a chance on the international stage they are all enthusiastic and merit their places they just might provide the freshness fire we need to go far.
 
Bullet Drive said:
If he was made captain ahead of Misbah back in 2011, we would have had a well groomed unit. A positive team who would be comfortable chasing 300+ targets. Haris would be a mainstay in the team and his position would have been cemented. Hafeez would be nowhere near the team.

We will have to wait till 2019 for that now I guess.

We have wasted Malik tbh.
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Off track - Do you still have ny contact with Amin? This is his life time chance - leading one of the teams. Ask him to open, if he makes this count, if not in WC, after that 'll have a future. If he fails, doesn't mater much; after WC, he isn't going to make it over next generation - Sami, Babar, Saad, Waheed, even Shakil. His last chance ....
 
The articles about "a secret lobby to bring back Kamran, Shoaib" have suddenly started to make sense. And if you notice, you might find some similar names pushing for selection in both their threads :kakmal

Lets bring back Muhammad Sami, Imran Farhat and MoYo while we're at it. Who knows maybe even after not performing for over 3-4 years for Pakistan what runs or wickets they might end up taking (more like making an *beep* out of themselves).
 
MMHS said:
Off track - Do you still have ny contact with Amin? This is his life time chance - leading one of the teams. Ask him to open, if he makes this count, if not in WC, after that 'll have a future. If he fails, doesn't mater much; after WC, he isn't going to make it over next generation - Sami, Babar, Saad, Waheed, even Shakil. His last chance ....
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The thing is I have told him many times bro. I don't know what it is, maybe he isn't been given the full power. Lets see what happens. I think maybe in one of the games he will open this tournament but it seems unlikely with:

Zia, Farhat & Masood in the squad as openers.

Sad thing is with this many openers, it will also mean Babar Azam will not open. Another opportunity missed. Opening spot is for grabs yet we are going to see Zia and Farhat open. Babar will bat bit lower down the order I think which is sad. He is an opener in my view.

Oh and just realised Kamran is also in the team. He will most likely be in contention for opening too after the recent reports so actually its very unlikely Amin will open.

Person who selected these squads must have been on crack. No balance at all.
 
Bullet Drive said:
The thing is I have told him many times bro. I don't know what it is, maybe he isn't been given the full power. Lets see what happens. I think maybe in one of the games he will open this tournament but it seems unlikely with:

Zia, Farhat & Masood in the squad as openers.

Sad thing is with this many openers, it will also mean Babar Azam will not open. Another opportunity missed. Opening spot is for grabs yet we are going to see Zia and Farhat open. Babar will bat bit lower down the order I think which is sad. He is an opener in my view.

Oh and just realised Kamran is also in the team. He will most likely be in contention for opening too after the recent reports so actually its very unlikely Amin will open.

Person who selected these squads must have been on crack. No balance at all.
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I think, may not be now, but few years back, I had better knowledge than some PCB selectors. Anyway, the distribution of players is pathetic - worthy of PCB selectors. Some of the teams has 4/5 openers, 3/4 left-handers & 3/4 similar type of bowlers in a single team.

PAK cricket is still stuck in 50s & 60s - it was only County cricket that elevated the game in 70s to 90s. Just for an example - recent QA Final - one of the sides (NBP) had Wahab, Zia, Jamal, Nawaz, Fawad, Qasar Abbas & Raza. Unless you are dumb or insane, one ca see that a side is going with 2 left-arm pacers & 4 left-arm spinners. It's the philosophy used at least half a century back - pick your best 11 players, regardless of combination.
 
Akmals and Malik are names off two mafias it seems like they will get in the team for WC2015, with them in the team there would be another start of group bandi in the team.

Please don’t look for tried and failed solution of Wahab Riaz and Shoail Tanvir (they will do nothing as before), better try Mir Hamza and Sadaf Hussain (surprise the world PCB, in a good way).

Regards.
 
Sorry, some people asked for Shoaib Malik recent ODI average, which I got from Statguru Cricinfo, as given below:

Shoaib Malik Mat Inns NO Run HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
2012-2013 16 15 4 267 43 24.27 367 72.75 0 0 1 25 2

Very low average and has not played ODI in 2014, all in favour please tell there reasons for his inclusion in WC2015 Squad.

Regards.
 
Statistically, it's near impossible to justify Malik's inclusion in PAK team. Stats 'll never tell the real story. Statistically, Hafeez is among the best ODI all-rounder in PAK history, reality is different. Malik's inclusion can only be strategic, for a long term benefit - he needs the support to deliver. Malik's role should be STRICTLY in LOs & it's not by chance that he is picked by almost every T20 leagues in the world (even before becoming Mr. Mirza). If he is given a young team with full control over the players/on field affairs, he 'll definitely deliver.

Malik is accused of politics, but I think he, himself was the biggest victim of team politics. He doesn't come from Lahore or Karachi, which allowed the MoYos, Afridis, Razzaks & YKs dare to take "panga" with an appointed Captain, which must have hurt him to a level of vindictive to his own team. Personally, I 'll take Malik as a team member, who sacrificed his own game for the sake of team, than some other "celebrities" & "team players".

I know ins & outs of lot of PAK players playing in Dhaka league regularly - without the slightest hesitation, I can tell that Malik is one of the, if not the most professional of the lot. He 'll go through the details of his contract, 'll read/discuss about team/rules/tournament terms, he 'll ask/learn about the strengths/weaknesses of his team members, he 'll hardly break team curfew, never heard of missing/even delaying match/practice sessions, hardly taking advantage of being a global star playing in a local club cricket AND never trying to fake religion like hypocrites. In fact, local organizers/team officials were careful about him - he 'll ask the details of schedule, terms & clauses, his accommodation/tour plan, payment terms, bindings - a perfect professional. Compared to the affairs of MoYo, Afridi or Razzak, he was like a professional coming from different world.
 
MMHS said:
Statistically, it's near impossible to justify Malik's inclusion in PAK team. Stats 'll never tell the real story. Statistically, Hafeez is among the best ODI all-rounder in PAK history, reality is different. Malik's inclusion can only be strategic, for a long term benefit - he needs the support to deliver. Malik's role should be STRICTLY in LOs & it's not by chance that he is picked by almost every T20 leagues in the world (even before becoming Mr. Mirza). If he is given a young team with full control over the players/on field affairs, he 'll definitely deliver.

Malik is accused of politics, but I think he, himself was the biggest victim of team politics. He doesn't come from Lahore or Karachi, which allowed the MoYos, Afridis, Razzaks & YKs dare to take "panga" with an appointed Captain, which must have hurt him to a level of vindictive to his own team. Personally, I 'll take Malik as a team member, who sacrificed his own game for the sake of team, than some other "celebrities" & "team players".

I know ins & outs of lot of PAK players playing in Dhaka league regularly - without the slightest hesitation, I can tell that Malik is one of the, if not the most professional of the lot. He 'll go through the details of his contract, 'll read/discuss about team/rules/tournament terms, he 'll ask/learn about the strengths/weaknesses of his team members, he 'll hardly break team curfew, never heard of missing/even delaying match/practice sessions, hardly taking advantage of being a global star playing in a local club cricket AND never trying to fake religion like hypocrites. In fact, local organizers/team officials were careful about him - he 'll ask the details of schedule, terms & clauses, his accommodation/tour plan, payment terms, bindings - a perfect professional. Compared to the affairs of MoYo, Afridi or Razzak, he was like a professional coming from different world.
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Correct re Malik and professionalism. Wherever he goes he is well liked. Pakistan dressing room is a hard place to be in.
 
People need to understand Malik was in the presence of egotistical personalities such as Afridi, Yousuf and Younis (whom we have all seen how deluded he is). Bear in mind he was only 24/25 which is quite young considering the others were older and more intimidating, and unlike other nations that are happy to play under young captains and provide them with support, seniority culture in Pakistan has meant that these type of deluded and selfish people would have given Malik the hardest time.
 
^^ Age shouldn't have a problem for him. He was matured, on top of his game & never looked clueless like someone with 18 years of International (mentioning age is blasphemous) experience. The culture didn't support his appointment. By PAK standard, AUS would have played under Haddin at Gabba, then Haddin would have dropped & Johnson would have led at MCG. He is getting a bit stick, & if AUS wins the series, NJ might rest at SCG, so Harris would have gone for the toss. Considering WC & Ashes, PAK selectors would have rested Haris for the ODI, so, it's time for Watson, who is in pathetic form. Therefore, they would have picked Rogers for the Ashes & by next year, when AUS plays their season opener - back to all squire, MC is fit to regain his leadership. That's the way you create the maturity in your team (As some old verse tells, maturity of a Nation is measured on the number of leaders they find in crisis) - once PAK had 9, past, present & future Captains, in playing XI.

Malik's biggest misfortune was PAK's democracy - Dr. Ashraf was replaced by a clown & made PAK Dressing room a National Assembly Session. What some jokers did with the appointed Captain, deserved a Military detention.
 
He should definitely be selected. There are alot of reasons as to why i am saying this!
 
Looking at the mentally of Pakistan selectors,Malik along with his TTF buddies might make it.These moronic inclusions would only reduce our chances.That's it and that is it then.
 
It would be the cherry on top of the cake if malik is recalled to compliment other jokers like YK and shafiq in the side, with current bunch of clueless selectors anything is possible. The current ODI pakistan team is a joke and one of the worst ive seen in over 25 years of watching cricket.
 
Laparwah said:
The bowling of the players you mentioned is not the issue. Shoaib offers nothing at all to the team
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What do you mean bowling? I said Hafeez as a pure batsmen is useless! And sorry what the hell do Shafiq and Younis offer? I'm not a Malik fan by no means but he is 10 times the LOI player than they are, with bat, ball and fielding. There is a reason T20 franchises pay big money for him and don't even know who Shafiq is.
 
Cricket_Engineer said:
What do you mean bowling? I said Hafeez as a pure batsmen is useless! And sorry what the hell do Shafiq and Younis offer? I'm not a Malik fan by no means but he is 10 times the LOI player than they are, with bat, ball and fielding. There is a reason T20 franchises pay big money for him and don't even know who Shafiq is.
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can you give me his last ten scores in a odi. thanks,
 
Cricket_Engineer said:
What do you mean bowling? I said Hafeez as a pure batsmen is useless! And sorry what the hell do Shafiq and Younis offer? I'm not a Malik fan by no means but he is 10 times the LOI player than they are, with bat, ball and fielding. There is a reason T20 franchises pay big money for him and don't even know who Shafiq is.
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Hafeez can be very good on his day also we don't have any able replacements. Youniis is a class batsman as has been seen repeatedly. I am no fan of Shafiq but unless you can name replacements there is no point in complaining. Malik is not international class even if he is half decent in non-international crappy tournaments.
 
You need to bring back last government to give him the chance. Though selection is still being not done on merits, but personal preference and on merits he does not get a place in the WC2015 team. He will be the first one in the team if last government comes back. Allah forbid if he comes back by the influence of Kamran/Shoaib Mailk mafia (they must be pulling all there strings and resources to get these two in the WC2015 Pakistan cricket team), there would be a start of big group bandi again. Had enough of him, may Allah protect Pakistan cricket.
 
We're going to walk all over your team at this rate, come Adelaide. Don't care about Malik's past record, which is a paper stat at best.
 
I hope he doesn't get selected for ODI WC. As soon as Pakistan exists from ODI WC, people will blame on Shoaib Malik as usual. Not worth it. This ODI WC is perfect opportunity to kick out retarded oldies once and for all setting new platform for Shoaib Malik and next-gen of players. :jf
 
Malik is a good option as he can bowl a bit too. Actually ever since Ajmal and Hafeez been banned from bowling his chances of making to the squad have become bright.
 
aamirraja said:
Hi Varun,

Your team has lost yet another test series abroad this time to Australia. What are you going to say about this? (Loins at home and abroad..........). You should worry about your own team mate, ask them to win at least one series overseas (best chances are wining against great teams like Bangladesh & Zimbabwe).

Under Dhoni's captaincy, says Rajneesh Gupta, India has won just 2 out of 21 away Tests since 2011, while losing as many as 13 Tests. (that's pathetic)
http://uswww.rediff.com/cricket/report/revealed-why-dhoni-has-failed-the-test/20141223.htm

Latest records are as follows:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...anval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=team
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Last I checked the WC was a 50 over format. What have test results got to do with this??

I agree with [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] , India is going to clobber Pakistan at this rate. Have a look at our top six:
Shehzad.
Hafeez.
YK.
Asad.
Misbah.
Haris.

Need I say anymore?? :facepalm:
 
MRSN said:
Malik is a good option as he can bowl a bit too. Actually ever since Ajmal and Hafeez been banned from bowling his chances of making to the squad have become bright.
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He is chucker he will be reported for sure!

Regards.
 
Mamoon said:
No, but he will be the next ODI Captain.
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I am with you, with Malik/Akmal mafia pulling there strings even politically, I have no doubt Malik will be next ODI captain. Then the start of big time politics in the team. I put a reply before which MRSN could not absorb he took it off (it were just few links showing dark side of Shoaib Malik), I will post later to all web engines, because they were authentic websites links no self made story.

Regards.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Last I checked the WC was a 50 over format. What have test results got to do with this??

I agree with [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] , India is going to clobber Pakistan at this rate. Have a look at our top six:
Shehzad.
Hafeez.
YK.
Asad.
Misbah.
Haris.

Need I say anymore?? :facepalm:
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Again don't worry about PAK team, you should worry about India, Pakistan ODI track record better than India in Australia, we won WC1992 and few other tournaments in Australia. India has won one or two series.

Really, shameful how you treat your best and senior cricketer, Dhoni, was this a way to send him off from tests, I smell big internal politics wether you come out with any other excuses, big conspiracy shame on India.

Regards.
 
Aamirraja, I believe we're referring to the upcoming 50-over game in Adelaide between India and Pakistan.

Save your ranting on our test successes and failures (against other teams, none the less) for some other time.
 
Varun said:
Aamirraja, I believe we're referring to the upcoming 50-over game in Adelaide between India and Pakistan.

Save your ranting on our test successes and failures (against other teams, none the less) for some other time.
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Inshallah we will beat India, never give up hope. Pakistan ODI record is good in Australia.

Watch out for Mohammad Irfan he is really a threat to you! How you going to tackle him?

By the way this thread is for Shoaib Malik, you are talking about ODI b/w Pak vs. Ind. So why not give comment on India treatment to MS Dhoni exit from test, very shameful farewell given by India. Please give us all the excuses!

Regards.
 
Arsal_AK said:
:yk2 :kakmal :shafiq are ttfs.

If you are gonna go with ttfs, take the better ones.
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lol malik is one of the worst. YK just scored a hundred, can yu tell me the last time malik did? He's rubbish and offers us nothing but a walking wicket to the opposition.
 
Third ball vs Pat Cummins, he plays a shot on the up for four through off-side.

Ricky Ponting calls it shot of the night.
 
Should never play for pakistan again and i really hope he doesnt get recalled after world cup when a few senior players have been booted out!
 
I have heard from a pretty good source he will STILL make the World Cup final 15. And apparently AFRIDI will win the toss against India. Lets see....
 
Bullet Drive said:
I have heard from a pretty good source he will STILL make the World Cup final 15. And apparently AFRIDI will win the toss against India. Lets see....
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At least quote the twitter account. You can't fool every body here.
 
Bullet Drive said:
I have heard from a pretty good source he will STILL make the World Cup final 15. And apparently AFRIDI will win the toss against India. Lets see....
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NOOOOOOOOOO!
[MENTION=56866]Bullet Drive[/MENTION]

I hope not. I pray that doesn't happen. ODI WC is retirement party. I don't want Shoaib Malik near retirement party. Besides, Shoaib Malik did give little hint that he wanted to avoid ODI WC too.

He is fishing for bigger target and so are we. It will be worth it. I sincerely hope he doesn't get recalled for ODI WC in last min.

Regarding the meaning of bigger target, follow [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] posts in this thread to understand what it is i am talking about. :jf
 
Theo_14 said:
At least quote the twitter account. You can't fool every body here.
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Lets not try to act like Mr.know it all now :)

The person who tweeted that, I have spoken with him today on whatsapp. He is a friend of mine. Check who he is following on Whatsapp. :)
 
Chokli said:
Really?
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If you look through the threads from 2014-2015, I did expect Malik to have a resurgence post Misbah, Younis and Afridi. During the early 2010s, he simply didn't look motivated to play and perform for Pakistan. I did expect him to come back as captain though, so at least I got that wrong.
 
Something is not right about Malik. An issue in his personal life, health or if he feels unwelcomed in the dressing room.

I know we at PP collectively take a dig at him but he used to be a very handy player. He still is a legend when it comes to playing quality spin. He also has a very safe pair of hands in the field.

He wouldnt have been in my WC squad but not that he is selected, lets back him.

Common Shoaiby!
 
Mamoon said:
If you look through the threads from 2014-2015, I did expect Malik to have a resurgence post Misbah, Younis and Afridi. During the early 2010s, he simply didn't look motivated to play and perform for Pakistan. I did expect him to come back as captain though, so at least I got that wrong.
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Fair enough.

At least you finally got your wish of Malik and Haris playing together.

You used to say Haris reminds you of a left handed Malik
 
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