Can this Australian team beat India in India?

[Tridibans_16]

I ask this because it seems everyone here on PP are expecting a 0-4 whitewash against Ashwin/ Jadeja. I know we have been ruthless at home off late but lets face it, Eng were pathetic with Cook past his prime/ Root looking out of swords and a pathetic middle order and even worse spin trio of Ali, Rashid and Ansari.

Same with NZ. Santner was good but nowhere as good as the Indian spinners. Their batsmen were out of form, especially Williamson/ Taylor.

I expect Australia to struggle and perhaps lose the series. But Warner/ Smith are no pushovers. Hazelwood/ Starc can be handy with reverse swing. They can surprise all by winning at least 1 test.

Personally I think India will beat them 3-0 or 3-1.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Not a chance. Don't have the spinners and Ashwin will make the likes of Khawaja dance. Smith, Warner and Handscomb will do well. Starc and Hazlewood will be good with the ball as always.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

The simple answer is no

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Yes, in their dreams.

 

[Slog]

Hahahahahaha

It will be a bloodbath

I can't wait to see Usman Khwaja and Warner being made to look like mugs

 

[MRSN]

they will do much worse than English team. If they were whitewashed by us and Mathews Sri Lankan team then I have no hope for them. They will be eaten alive by Ashwin and Jadeja on a turning pitch. Aus bowlers should get ready for bowling more than 2 sessions in an innings.

 

[Slog]

Btw English spin trip was better than Lyon and OKeefe imo

 

[Tridibans_16]

Not a chance. Don't have the spinners and Ashwin will make the likes of Khawaja dance. Smith, Warner and Handscomb will do well. Starc and Hazlewood will be good with the ball as always.

Smith is a good player of spin. Perhaps not great like the Indians but in no way is he a dud. Warner, if starts attacking, can easily score 50-60 runs and take Australia to 100 in no time.

Indians are known to make nobody's look like Warne or Muralis. Expect Lyon to be more effective than few other foreign spinners.

 

[MRSN]

Hahahahahaha

It will be a bloodbath

I can't wait to see Usman Khwaja and Warner being made to look like mugs

Warner and Smith will do well. They were decent against us also and not that bad against SL too. It's the rest of them that will be walking wickets.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Yes. 3 criteria:

1- They have decent batsmen. Inexperienced but look good. will need to post good totals however.
2- they have Actual 'spinners' unlike England. How effective Lyon is will decide whether they are competetive. o keefe and/or 3rd spinner need to chip in too.
3- They have a solid pace attack. Starc is a monster, did well in SL. Hazlewood is a very underrated bowler. Both can do well. Bird/ marsh can do something too.

Aussies need to be good in all these areas to have a chance of winning.

England were not bad. they got 1 right. they were poor in 2 and 3.

 

[Tridibans_16]

Yes. 3 criteria:

1- They have decent batsmen. Inexperienced but look good. will need to post good totals however.
2- they have Actual 'spinners' unlike England. How effective Lyon is will decide whether they are competetive. o keefe and/or 3rd spinner need to chip in too.
3- They have a solid pace attack. Starc is a monster, did well in SL. Hazlewood is a very underrated bowler. Both can do well. Bird/ marsh can do something too.

Aussies need to be good in all these areas to have a chance of winning.

England were not bad. they got 1 right. they were poor in 2 and 3.

Very good points. Unlike Ali (Glorified slogger at best) and Rashid (poor mans Mishra), Lyon can get purchase off the deck if there is uneven bounce and some moisture. Starc is actually a good bowler in Asian conditions as he uses reverse swing and can swing the ball both ways.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

There is no way This Australian team can win a test match in India. Whitewash expected

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Smith is a good player of spin. Perhaps not great like the Indians but in no way is he a dud. Warner, if starts attacking, can easily score 50-60 runs and take Australia to 100 in no time.

Indians are known to make nobody's look like Warne or Muralis. Expect Lyon to be more effective than few other foreign spinners.

That's why I said smith and Warner will do well. Watch out for Handscomb too. Indians will play Lyon very comfortably. He will get the odd wicket.

 

[Slog]

Dunno why Aussies aren't resting Starc and Hazelwood for ODI series. I was banking on that

It would have been aik teer se do shikaar for us

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Very good points. Unlike Ali (Glorified slogger at best) and Rashid (poor mans Mishra), Lyon can get purchase off the deck if there is uneven bounce and some moisture. Starc is actually a good bowler in Asian conditions as he uses reverse swing and can swing the ball both ways.

yh those two are not frontline bowlers.

i used to laugh at lyon, before he did what he did to India at Adelaide. By most accounts he didn't adapt well to the Indian pitches' spin and bounce last time. If he has learnt what he did wrong, he can be a handful.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Dunno why Aussies aren't resting Starc and Hazelwood for ODI series. I was banking on that

It would have been aik teer se do shikaar for us

They're likely gonna rotate them. The other two ain't half bad lol.

 

[Slog]

yh those two are not frontline bowlers.

i used to laugh at lyon, before he did what he did to India at Adelaide. By most accounts he didn't adapt well to the Indian pitches' spin and bounce last time. If he has learnt what he did wrong, he can be a handful.

Lyon type bowlers will never be successful when onus is on them to take wickets

 

[Statsman]

Looks difficult.
Starc will have to be at his very best and remain injury free doing so. Hazlewood will be genuinely tested for the first time. Aussies lack a good 3rd/4th seamer and Indians will encash on that big time. Lyon is better than English spinners but wont be very threatening.
For batting, India needs to take extra cautious of Smith (hopefully Jadeja takes care of that again) and Warner. Rest should be relatively easy.

 

[Zak_Fan]

We shouldn't repeat the mistake of serving the same tracks as we did to England. English batsmen were passive, so they didn't put much pressure on Indian bowlers. Aussies on the other hand will make us pay if the tracks are as flat.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Lyon type bowlers will never be successful when onus is on them to take wickets

well, that adelaide match i mentioned in 14', he did exactly that. took 7 wickets in 2nd innings to snatch victory from jaws of defeat for AUS.
even against pak at scg here, he looked dangerous in 1st innings but smith never trusts him so he isn't allowed to bowl extensively.

 

[Slog]

well, that adelaide match i mentioned in 14', he did exactly that. took 7 wickets in 2nd innings to snatch victory from jaws of defeat for AUS.
even against pak at scg here, he looked dangerous in 1st innings but smith never trusts him so he isn't allowed to bowl extensively.

Lol Australia were never in jaws of defeat in that match. It was ALWAYS an unlikely chase no matter how close India got

However my point is. In that matches you put Lyon wasn't expected to play as big of a starring role. But in Asia he is expected to take bulk of wickets and lead the attack and fails

 

[kingusama92]

Not a chance.

England had the best shot IMO.

This Aussie team is far too inexperienced and will get walked all over by Ashwin + Jadeja.

 

[Asim2Good]

Aussies doesn't have team to be successful IN India against team who are in red hot form at home.

Starc have 2 wickets in 2 matches with avg of 100 in India, he surely have improved since last trip but if our batsmen have able to play him in Aus, surely Indians shouldn't have problems playing him in Indian conditions.

Hazelwood : it ll b first time , he ll playing in India, he has played in Asia recently in SL series, came out with 7 wickets in 3 amtches at around avg of 32

Warner : have avg of 24 in india and even though he has improved sine last visits, but he avg just 27 in recent trip to SL. So Ashwin should be able to handle him easily in India

Smith: have avg of 40 in his 2 outings in India, india shouldn't bother abt that if they can keep him around that avg, that ll not have much effect on result, just like Joe Root wasn't able to effect anything

 

[Tridibans_16]

Dunno why Aussies aren't resting Starc and Hazelwood for ODI series. I was banking on that

It would have been aik teer se do shikaar for us

Lol.

BTW I think Hazelwood will do well if he pitches it up. Starc will be their main weapon. 3rd seamer will struggle as right now, nobody in their lineup looks threatening in Asian conditions. If Lyon fails to have an impact (O'Keefe is still young and can't expect much from him anyway), Australia will be chasing leather for sessions after sessions

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Problem is if pitches are like England series. Aus batting can put up a big total in one of the games at least.

I don't see Australia drawing the series let alone winning. Maybe a 3-1 or 2-1 at best.

For India anything less than a 4-0 should be disappointing.

 

[Stallion__]

No. They can't take 20 wickets.

 

[Tridibans_16]

Aussies doesn't have team to be successful IN India against team who are in red hot form at home.

Starc have 2 wickets in 2 matches with avg of 100 in India, he surely have improved since last trip but if our batsmen have able to play him in Aus, surely Indians shouldn't have problems playing him in Indian conditions.

Hazelwood : it ll b first time , he ll playing in India, he has played in Asia recently in SL series, came out with 7 wickets in 3 amtches at around avg of 32

Warner : have avg of 24 in india and even though he has improved sine last visits, but he avg just 27 in recent trip to SL. So Ashwin should be able to handle him easily in India

Smith: have avg of 40 in his 2 outings in India, india shouldn't bother abt that if they can keep him around that avg, that ll not have much effect on result, just like Joe Root wasn't able to effect anything

Much has changed since last time. SL pitches were rank turners (almost all of them started turning from day 1). Expect Indian pitches to be flatter. Also, Indian batting is still young and untested. Rahane is out of form. Kohli had a great last year but can't always expect him to score hundreds. Vijay seems to be a one innings wonder every series. If Pujara starts to get going, I expect India to comfortably win otherwise the matches will be lot closer than the ENG series.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Dunno why Aussies aren't resting Starc and Hazelwood for ODI series. I was banking on that

It would have been aik teer se do shikaar for us

Losing even a single game to Pakistan will dent their ranking points big time.

With March so close, Australia probably want to consolidate their position at the top of the table. No.1 teams get some sort of prize money don't they?

I don't see why else would they tire Starc/Hazlewood ahead of a grueling test series unless they have no hopes

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Lol Australia were never in jaws of defeat in that match. It was ALWAYS an unlikely chase no matter how close India got

However my point is. In that matches you put Lyon wasn't expected to play as big of a starring role. But in Asia he is expected to take bulk of wickets and lead the attack and fails

they were. india were 242/2 chasing 364, with vijay and kohli both set on 100, with plenty of batting to come. it was india's game. he turned the game on its head.

yes he hasn't bowled well in india but who knows, he might be improved.

 

[Tridibans_16]

Losing even a single game to Pakistan will dent their ranking points big time.

With March so close, Australia probably want to consolidate their position at the top of the table. No.1 teams get some sort of prize money don't they?

I don't see why else would they tire Starc/Hazlewood ahead of a grueling test series unless they have no hopes

Hazelwood is rested for the firdst ODI. Expect the same with Starc for atleast couple of matches in the series. Aussies are smart and will try to rotate their bowlers so that they are match fit (not away from intl cricket for more than a week or so) as well as rested come the India series.

 

[imranraf]

This Australia team will get destroyed in India. Ashwin and Jadeja will run all over this batting line up. Kohli and company will feast on Lyon and Co.

 

[Tridibans_16]

they were. india were 242/2 chasing 364, with vijay and kohli both set on 100, with plenty of batting to come. it was india's game. he turned the game on its head.

yes he hasn't bowled well in india but who knows, he might be improved.

Also, just before Kohli got out, India needed 60 odd runs and he was playing so well. Even with 2-3 wickets remaining, I was backing India to win. Alas! Not to be

 

[Asim2Good]

Much has changed since last time. SL pitches were rank turners (almost all of them started turning from day 1). Expect Indian pitches to be flatter. Also, Indian batting is still young and untested. Rahane is out of form. Kohli had a great last year but can't always expect him to score hundreds. Vijay seems to be a one innings wonder every series. If Pujara starts to get going, I expect India to comfortably win otherwise the matches will be lot closer than the ENG series.

nothing has changed, Aussie are still clueless against spin in Asia and recent SL series is proof of that. where I think only 1 batsmen avg above 30 in that series.(from players who played whole series)
Aussie batting is just 2 men army at moment. Smith & Warner.

 

[big_gamer007]

They can win a match and draw one but series would be won by India.. everyone would be surprised if India loses the series don't think that will happen but who knows Australia might put up a fight..

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Also, just before Kohli got out, India needed 60 odd runs and he was playing so well. Even with 2-3 wickets remaining, I was backing India to win. Alas! Not to be

yeah, i still look back at that series and think about what could have been. we were competitive throughout. if it was even was 1-1 after 2 games, dhoni probably wouldn't have retired. if we had gotten that win in adelaide, we could have very easily won the series.

 

[Tridibans_16]

yeah, i still look back at that series and think about what could have been. we were competitive throughout. if it was even was 1-1 after 2 games, dhoni probably wouldn't have retired. if we had gotten that win in adelaide, we could have very easily won the series.

I always thought it was our best chance to win in Aus. We were so close in Adelaide. In all the matches our batting was upto the mark. But our bowling, as always, was a big letdown. If only we had a Srinath or Kapil, with that batting lineup, would have won 2-1.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Hazelwood is rested for the firdst ODI. Expect the same with Starc for atleast couple of matches in the series. Aussies are smart and will try to rotate their bowlers so that they are match fit (not away from intl cricket for more than a week or so) as well as rested come the India series.

They can rest them all they want. They will not get success here, they have to hope O'Keefe and Lyon come good for them to have any shot.

I always thought it was our best chance to win in Aus. We were so close in Adelaide. In all the matches our batting was upto the mark. But our bowling, as always, was a big letdown. If only we had a Srinath or Kapil, with that batting lineup, would have won 2-1.

It is always the case, by the time we tour Australia next, we'll have gone through SA and Eng tour before, so our current bowlers will be dropped after poor performances and we'll take fresh inexperienced bowlers who'll use that tour to "learn". The cycle keeps continuing. Only Ishant has been a constant but he doesn't learn and improve does he?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

We shouldn't repeat the mistake of serving the same tracks as we did to England. English batsmen were passive, so they didn't put much pressure on Indian bowlers. Aussies on the other hand will make us pay if the tracks are as flat.

Imagine Warner and Smith on those flat tracks with Parthiv Patel as keeper.

But to be fair to Parthiv, he is actually a clutch keeper. He only goes after the best batsmen who can change the game and DROPS them.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

I always thought it was our best chance to win in Aus. We were so close in Adelaide. In all the matches our batting was upto the mark. But our bowling, as always, was a big letdown. If only we had a Srinath or Kapil, with that batting lineup, would have won 2-1.

yes our bowling has come along since, both spinners and pacers. our batting is also more rounded than 2 yrs ago. we'll get them next time!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

yes our bowling has come along since, both spinners and pacers. our batting is also more rounded than 2 yrs ago. we'll get them next time!

We have 1 pacer locked in.

Still 2 more to go.

Long way to go. We are not yet ready.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

yes our bowling has come along since, both spinners and pacers. our batting is also more rounded than 2 yrs ago. we'll get them next time!

Our pacers have always done decently at home. What makes you think Shami or BK will improve next time they tour away?

Yadav and Ishant have shown no amount of experience is going to help our pacers if they are simply not good enough.

We have 1 pacer locked in.

Still 2 more to go.

Long way to go. We are not yet ready.

The guy who injures frequently, that fills me in with a lot of confidence

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

To win in Aus, you need well rounded bowling attack.

Not the odd good bowler.

Srinath or Kapil would have not helped us win a series there in 2014. Maybe an odd test (if everything went our way) but not series.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The guy who injures frequently, that fills me in with a lot of confidence

Yeah sad really na.

Hoping on Kohli to build a pace attack. There is an ocean we have to cover.

 

[MRSN]

To win in Aus, you need well rounded bowling attack.

Not the odd good bowler.

Srinath or Kapil would have not helped us win a series there in 2014. Maybe an odd test (if everything went our way) but not series.

Do you think India have the bowling attack to win in Aus?I don't think spinners will be that effective there. look at Yasir. spinners become ineffective.

 

[Ellipsism]

No.

Don't have any quality spinners.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

We have 1 pacer locked in.

Still 2 more to go.

Long way to go. We are not yet ready.

ishant/ bhuveshwar have also improved for sure. yadav is a wild card- not sure of him just yet.

we also have 2 spinning all rounders locked in.

if we face them even now, we can beat em in aus imo.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Do you think India have the bowling attack to win in Aus?I don't think spinners will be that effective there. look at Yasir. spinners become ineffective.

Right now...NO.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Parosies just need to show up, the rest will be exactly how it's been for Australia whenever they tour Asia.

The problem I have with them touring Asia is that there is no coverage by channel nine in Australia whenever they step out of their den and hence their Awam remains so arrogant of the fact that Aussies are practically the worst travelers when it comes to touring outside Oceania.

This means that even though you'd blank them they would pretend that they are some world beaters by just winning against Asian sides in the Australian summer. I mean if that is not being cowardly then I don't know what is ???

If Ian Healy, Clarke, Taylor and the rest of the Channel 9 staff really thinks that they are as good as they portray them to be during their summer season they I dare them to cover any series Australia plays in Asia and make it free to air.

Would knock the sense back into them on where they actually stand as a cricket team !!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

ishant/ bhuveshwar have also improved for sure. yadav is a wild card- not sure of him just yet.

we also have 2 spinning all rounders locked in.

if we face them even now, we can beat em in aus imo.

We will be massacred.

We Indians were similarly confident when we said our attack of Zak, Ishant and Umesh would do well in 2011.

We got destroyed.

We thought improved Ishant, Umesh and Shami will atleast fight well in 2014 (we were low in confidence due to 1-3 in Eng).

We got destroyed.

Now we think improved Shami, improved Ishant and Umesh will do well.

We won't. Still will get destroyed.

Right now, we have one gun pacer Shami (not Rabada....Hazlewood league in Aus but defo good).

Rest are not upto the mark.

Ash and Jaddu will be just support cast.

We are not ready yet.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Yeah sad really na.

Hoping on Kohli to build a pace attack. There is an ocean we have to cover.

He's betting on tried and tested failures though which gives me less confidence. Maybe we'll compete better and even win a game or two. But I don't see us winning test series with Shami who can be injured any moment, Ishant and Yadav, pacers he's building our attack around.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

We will NOT be whitewashed in Aus.

We may draw games and if we fight well, we could lose a 4 match series 0-1.

That's could have happened in 2014 if we had not gone for Adelaide win.

 

[Statsman]

He's betting on tried and tested failures though which gives me less confidence. Maybe we'll compete better and even win a game or two. But I don't see us winning test series with Shami who can be injured any moment, Ishant and Yadav, pacers he's building our attack around.

Any potential world class pacers in domestic?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

People like to use a lot of stats when ranking captains (Dhoni was a great captain cos he took us to number 1...Misbah was one of the best....lol no).

Its how Kohli ATTEMPTS to build a pace attack and gets the right batting lineup that would determine his legacy.

Results are not in his control.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

We will be massacred.

We Indians were similarly confident when we said our attack of Zak, Ishant and Umesh would do well in 2011.

They got destroyed.

We thought improved Ishant, Umesh and Shami will atleast fight well in 2014 (we were low in confidence due to 1-3 in Eng).

They got destroyed.

Now we think improved Shami, improved Ishant and Umesh will do well.

They won't. Still will get destroyed.

Right now, we have one gun pacer Shami (not Rabada....Hazlewood league in Aus but defo good).

Rest are not upto the mark.

Ash and Jaddu will be just support cast.

what are you on about? they didn't get destroyed. they were batting pitches, we hammered aus bowlers too in that case. we were extremely competitive in that previous series in 14-15.

our spinning all- rounders and batsmen will overpower aus and make up for our pacers, who won't do as badly as you think.

 

[GreenShirts]

No they cannot.

They will get beaten badly here,to put it mildly.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Any potential world class pacers in domestic?

Shradul Thakur is one, who keeps impressing on A-tours. Hardik Pandya is rated highly and performed well in Australia as well.

No idea about others, only if we try will we know. Repeating same players in hope of something better is not going to work though.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

what are you on about? they didn't get destroyed. they were batting pitches, we hammered aus bowlers too in that case. we were extremely competitive in that previous series in 14-15.

our spinning all- rounders and batsmen will overpower aus and make up for our pacers, who won't do as badly as you think.

Our competitiveness was due to batting... not bowling.

Barring Shami who somehow picked up wickets, Ashwin outbowled all our pacers in 2014.

Ishant was good in patches.

Aus pacers got hammered but still got 15-20 wickets every game.

 

[Indiafan]

We will be massacred.

We Indians were similarly confident when we said our attack of Zak, Ishant and Umesh would do well in 2011.

We got destroyed.

We thought improved Ishant, Umesh and Shami will atleast fight well in 2014 (we were low in confidence due to 1-3 in Eng).

We got destroyed.

Now we think improved Shami, improved Ishant and Umesh will do well.

We won't. Still will get destroyed.

Right now, we have one gun pacer Shami (not Rabada....Hazlewood league in Aus but defo good).

Rest are not upto the mark.

Ash and Jaddu will be just support cast.

We are not ready yet.

Meh, for 10 years (2001-2010), with lesser bowlers, we did pretty well against a much stronger Aussie team. 9 matches, 2 wins, 3 loses, 4 draws. This included a 1-1 series draw and a 2-1 defeat (the spirit of cricket Kumble comment) In the same time period England lost 9-1 in ten matches.

I think its the attitude of the captain and approach which matter more in Australa

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Meh, for 10 years (2001-2010), with lesser bowlers, we did pretty well against a much stronger Aussie team. 9 matches, 2 wins, 3 loses, 4 draws. This included a 1-1 series draw and a 2-1 defeat (the spirit of cricket Kumble comment) In the same time period England lost 9-1 in ten matches.

I think its the attitude of the captain and approach which matter more in Australa

We were really good in 2003 and 2007 due to ATG batting, workable bowling and not so bad pitches.

Post that pitches have become worse and our bowling is not upto the mark. Dhoni was rubbish but wont pin all the blame on him. We weren't good enough.

 

[Tridibans_16]

Our competitiveness was due to batting... not bowling.

Barring Shami who somehow picked up wickets, Ashwin outbowled all our pacers in 2014.

Ishant was good in patches.

Aus pacers got hammered but still got 15-20 wickets every game.

Don't know what you are on about. Except for 1 innings where they scored 550+ at 4 rpo, in all the matches we were quite competitive with the ball. Batting was on par in almost all the games. In fact, our batting was responsible for drawing the last two games at MCG and SCG.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Don't know what you are on about. Except for 1 innings where they scored 550+ at 4 rpo, in all the matches we were quite competitive with the ball. Batting was on par in almost all the games. In fact, our batting was responsible for drawing the last two games at MCG and SCG.

No we weren't. Our bowling sucked. We were freaking hoping on ashwin to get wickets. Lol.

To say we were competitive with the ball is revisionism.

We were only good in patches.

Pacers got massacred in adelaide and sydney and in gabba after rohit sledge.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Shradul Thakur is one, who keeps impressing on A-tours. Hardik Pandya is rated highly and performed well in Australia as well.

No idea about others, only if we try will we know. Repeating same players in hope of something better is not going to work though.

thakur is bang average.
pandya can develop into a solid all arounder, but will not be a frontline bowler.
only other person i see is bumrah, who long term can be a test bowler.

there is on one else guys. we have to do with what we have. i believe what we have atm is good enough. what i mean is that our pace attack is not a limiting factor. we just have to do well in other departments, and we can win away with this team.

 

[Tridibans_16]

To win in Aus, you need well rounded bowling attack.

Not the odd good bowler.

Srinath or Kapil would have not helped us win a series there in 2014. Maybe an odd test (if everything went our way) but not series.

In 1999/2000, Srinath did well. In fact, all of the matches, our bowlers got breakthroughs. I watched the whole series live as a 12 year old and our batting was as hopeless as it can ever be. Give a Kohli/ Pujara and Rahane to that bowling line up of Srinath, Prasad and Kumble and we will definitely come close to winning in Australia.

With Kapil, in 1991-2, we had an emerging Tendulkar and a bunch of expired oldies as our batting. Few like Manjrekar etc were not good enough outside India to begin with.

Consider a team like this, and think of what would have happened in 2014-15

M.Vijay
K.Rahul
V.Kohli
C.Pujara
A.Rahane
R.Sharma
W.Saha/Dhoni
K.Dev
R.Ashwin
J.Srinath
M.Shami

Point being,. If only we had a bowler or two like Kapil/Srinath, whereby we could have taken 10 wickets in an Aussie innings, we could have easily won that Adelaide test. (Notice I mentioned the same batting lineup of the 2014-15 series).

 

[Cricfan4eva]

thakur is bang average.
pandya can develop into a solid all arounder, but will not be a frontline bowler.
only other person i see is bumrah, who long term can be a test bowler.

there is on one else guys. we have to do with what we have. i believe what we have atm is good enough. what i mean is that our pace attack is not a limiting factor. we just have to do well in other departments, and we can win away with this team.

Well RD believes otherwise and I think we can trust him when it come to picking talents. Jayant doesn't have fancy stats at Ranji, neither is he any kind of mystery bowler but he did well on A-tours, and we could see that he has skills to belong at the international level.

I think its just about creating a bank of pacers, I don't believe that this is who we have. We just aren't looking hard enough.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

In 1999/2000, Srinath did well. In fact, all of the matches, our bowlers got breakthroughs. I watched the whole series live as a 12 year old and our batting was as hopeless as it can ever be. Give a Kohli/ Pujara and Rahane to that bowling line up of Srinath, Prasad and Kumble and we will definitely come close to winning in Australia.

With Kapil, in 1991-2, we had an emerging Tendulkar and a bunch of expired oldies as our batting. Few like Manjrekar etc were not good enough outside India to begin with.

Consider a team like this, and think of what would have happened in 2014-15

M.Vijay
K.Rahul
V.Kohli
C.Pujara
A.Rahane
R.Sharma
W.Saha/Dhoni
K.Dev
R.Ashwin
J.Srinath
M.Shami

Point being,. If only we had a bowler or two like Kapil/Srinath, whereby we could have taken 10 wickets in an Aussie innings, we could have easily won that Adelaide test. (Notice I mentioned the same batting lineup of the 2014-15 series).

Chalk and cheese comparison bro.

The pitches were different.

The 116 srt scored in melbourne was just incredible. There is a 19 minute video which shows how he negated the bowling and conditions to notch up that 100. Gives me chills watching him weaving, ducking and negotiating to get that 100.

In current patta pitches, we are playing a different game.

What did our bowlers (srinath, prasad, kumble) average in 2000? They will average much worse in current pitches.

We need a workable 3 men pace attack along with a kumble level spinner to win in aus .

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Our competitiveness was due to batting... not bowling.

we still will be competitive with our batting and all-arounder depth. it will overpower other teams including AUS.

Barring Shami who somehow picked up wickets, Ashwin outbowled all our pacers in 2014.Our bowling sucked. We were freaking hoping on ashwin to get wickets. Lol.

Today's Ashwin will eat that Ashwin for breakfast. Imagine how much more effective he will be. His batting has come on too, in leaps.
And don't forget Jaddu! he wasn't even there. offers excellent bowling control and batting depth, again we didn't have these level of all-grounders then. (jayant in the wings too in case of injury)

Ishant was good in patches.Aus pacers got hammered but still got 15-20 wickets every game.

Ishant at 28, is now coming into his peak. His patches will be more frequent. Shami and Bhuvi are just 26. Again, they have improved since then and are just coming into their peak. Yadav is our pace demon, the wild card. might get hammered, might scare the bejesus out of them- like he did to the English.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

we still will be competitive with our batting and all-arounder depth. it will overpower other teams including AUS.

Today's Ashwin will eat that Ashwin for breakfast. Imagine how much more effective he will be. His batting has come on too, in leaps.
And don't forget Jaddu! he wasn't even there. offers excellent bowling control and batting depth, again we didn't have these level of all-grounders then. (jayant in the wings too in case of injury)


Ishant at 28, is now coming into his peak. His patches will be more frequent. Shami and Bhuvi are just 26. Again, they have improved since then and are just coming into their peak. Yadav is our pace demon, the wild card. might get hammered, might scare the bejesus out of them- like he did to the English.

Of course we will be competitive. We will not get whitewashed. May even draw majority of games or even win in a bowler friendly pitch if we get it.

But to win the series, we dont hav those 3 gun pacers yet.

That is where kohli the captain has his work cut out.

 

[street cricketer]

Bumrah will get belted in Australia.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Well RD believes otherwise and I think we can trust him when it come to picking talents. Jayant doesn't have fancy stats at Ranji, neither is he any kind of mystery bowler but he did well on A-tours, and we could see that he has skills to belong at the international level.

I think its just about creating a bank of pacers, I don't believe that this is who we have. We just aren't looking hard enough.

i haven't seen it yet in thakur, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. Better pace depth is much welcome always.

"I don't believe that this is who we have. We just aren't looking hard enough." I would make the case that we are not looking hard enough at what we do have and not realising their strengths.

 

[Tridibans_16]

Chalk and cheese comparison bro.

The pitches were different.

The 116 srt scored in melbourne was just incredible. There is a 19 minute video which shows how he negated the bowling and conditions to notch up that 100. Gives me chills watching him weaving, ducking and negotiating to get that 100.

In current patta pitches, we are playing a different game.

What did our bowlers (srinath, prasad, kumble) average in 2000? They will average much worse in current pitches.

We need a workable 3 men pace attack along with a kumble level spinner to win in aus .

Srinath always had the pace and got bounce in SA/ Aus unlike spraygun speed of Yadav or cannon fodder Sharma. Even in 2014-15, we needed someone who would get us a breakthrough on flat pancakes where once the pitch started doing nothing, Aussies would pile up 100/1 session after session. Same with Kumble. He always had the knack to get us a wicket out of nowhere even on the most docile of the pitches.

In 2014, our batting was good enough. But our bowlers lacked penetration. In 1999, it was the opposite. Good bowlers with a struggling batting lineup. Sachin played a lone hand at MCG and Laxman made 167* in a dead rubber (or innings rather) after everything was lost. Dravid/ Ganguly and openers failed miserably.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Of course we will be competitive. We will not get whitewashed. May even draw majority of games or even win in a bowler friendly pitch if we get it.

But to win the series, we dont hav those 3 gun pacers yet.

That is where kohli the captain has his work cut out.

he can't magically create bowlers out of thin air.

 

[Tridibans_16]

i haven't seen it yet in thakur, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. Better pace depth is much welcome always.

"I don't believe that this is who we have. We just aren't looking hard enough." I would make the case that we are not looking hard enough at what we do have and not realising their strengths.

He won't be any better mark my words. Its like how Rahat Ali/ Imran were praised by PPer's before getting international exposure. If anything, our only hope is a fit Shami and an in form Ishant with Yadav miraculously getting some brains to not bowl short and wide.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

he can't magically create bowlers out of thin air.

But he can try to fast track potentially good bowlers.

Nathu singh, shardul are in the fray. There are a few more. Some may develop. Some may not.

Thats where vision and planning comes into play.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Bumrah will get belted in Australia.

i said long term maybe. like 4 years down the line. his accuracy is his strength. needs to build up his fitness. but that's me clutching at straws. i believe we already have the best 4 man attack we can muster, and they are good enough to do a job, while other areas of the team( i mentioned above) make up for them.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

But he can try to fast track potentially good bowlers.

Nathu singh, shardul are in the fray. There are a few more. Some may develop. Some may not.

Thats where vision and planning comes into play.

you're talking like a pakistani fan now. turning dreams into realities and all that. thinking those out of team must be better

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Srinath always had the pace and got bounce in SA/ Aus unlike spraygun speed of Yadav or cannon fodder Sharma. Even in 2014-15, we needed someone who would get us a breakthrough on flat pancakes where once the pitch started doing nothing, Aussies would pile up 100/1 session after session. Same with Kumble. He always had the knack to get us a wicket out of nowhere even on the most docile of the pitches.

In 2014, our batting was good enough. But our bowlers lacked penetration. In 1999, it was the opposite. Good bowlers with a struggling batting lineup. Sachin played a lone hand at MCG and Laxman made 167* in a dead rubber (or innings rather) after everything was lost. Dravid/ Ganguly and openers failed miserably.

Srinath would need 2 more good pacers to support him or else he will bowl well and others will let aus get away.

Thats why pace attack is so important.

Give india wasim akram himself and still we wont win series in australia. One guy cant do it all.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

you're talking like a pakistani fan now. turning dreams into realities and all that. thinking those out of team must be better

Those out of the team arent necessarily better. I didnt say that.

Fast tracking potential pacers is not the same as declaring they would be better and win us games. Its called testing cos its testing.

 

[Tridibans_16]

Srinath would need 2 more good pacers to support him or else he will bowl well and others will let aus get away.

Thats why pace attack is so important.

Give india wasim akram himself and still we wont win series in australia. One guy cant do it all.

Akram didn't have a Kohli or Rahane. Check out the stats and you will be surprised how poor Anwar/ Inzamam/ Youhana's stats are in Australia.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Those out of the team arent better. I didnt say that.

I dont know why you didnt get my point about building a pace attack.

you clearly aren't getting my point either, which i've made a couple of times. oh well.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Akram didn't have a Kohli or Rahane. Check out the stats and you will be surprised how poor Anwar/ Inzamam/ Youhana's stats are in Australia.

Omg..why you no get my point?

I am not saying wasim didnt win series in aus cos he wasnt good enough. Of course pak batting messed up.

You need 2 things to win in aus.

Batting and a good pace attack.

If even one thing is missing, you wont win.

Having wasim wont do much unless the whole pace attack is well rounded.