Can this World XI beat India in India in Tests?

[Spectrum]

Beating India in India is highly challenging for any team. Winning a single match in India is considered as significant achievement let alone series win. India has brutally thrashed many great teams and made its reputation as one of the strongest ever home teams.
But i'm pretty sure this team of W-11 consisting of fabulous players can challenge india..

Alastair Cook
Tom Latham
Joe Root
Steve Smith (c)
AB deVilliers
Ben Stokes
Mushfiqer Rahim (wk)
Kagiso Rabada
Nathan Lyon
Yasir Shah
James Anderson

I have chosen this team based on players past performances in India and their recent form..
So players like Hashim Amla, Williamson,Herath are missing in my team.
Can this team beat India in a 3 match series on traditional dry and spinning pitches???

 

[CricCrazyNick]

No

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Pick a substitute fast bowler also coz anderson will get injured after playing 2 matches. And then he will curse indian pitches

 

[dravidthewall]

No

 

[big_gamer007]

The current Indian team batting against spin is not as good as that of past Indian teams.. It would still be very difficult to beat India in India however we are susceptible to batting collapses so this team of Yasir and Lyon (average spinner) might give us a run for our money.

 

[khurram39]

Send 90,s Pak team to see them loosing.

 

[Spectrum]

@kkhurram39
Don't you think your 90s players are too old to compete even against any under19 team???

 

[Spectrum]

Azhar Ali or Tamim Iqbaal in place of Latham

 

[JattMaula]

2 decent spinners and solid batting vs spin is enough to challenge India in India right now.

 

[Proactive_]

It would probably maul India 4-1 in a 5 match series. The only decent spin attack that visited India in the past 2-3 years was Australia with Lyon and O'Keefe and India slipped to a record defeat in Pune before barely scrapping through in the end by 2-1. This attack of Lyon and Yasir - off spinner and leg spinner.. would be lethal. Anderson is on his last legs so I'll replace him with Cummins/Starc.

 

[UN talkz]

Beating India in India is highly challenging for any team. Winning a single match in India is considered as significant achievement let alone series win. India has brutally thrashed many great teams and made its reputation as one of the strongest ever home teams.
But i'm pretty sure this team of W-11 consisting of fabulous players can challenge india..

Alastair Cook
Tom Latham
Joe Root
Steve Smith (c)
AB deVilliers
Ben Stokes
Mushfiqer Rahim (wk)
Kagiso Rabada
Nathan Lyon
Yasir Shah
James Anderson

I have chosen this team based on players past performances in India and their recent form..
So players like Hashim Amla, Williamson,Herath are missing in my team.
Can this team beat India in a 3 match series on traditional dry and spinning pitches???

Tom Latham in World XI, ye kaisa mazaak hai

 

[Spectrum]

[MENTION=142702]UN talkz[/MENTION]
Replace him with Azhar Ali or Tamim Iqbal

 

[Rana]

One of the worst World XIs I have ever seen

 

[jnaveen1980]

It would probably maul India 4-1 in a 5 match series. The only decent spin attack that visited India in the past 2-3 years was Australia with Lyon and O'Keefe and India slipped to a record defeat in Pune before barely scrapping through in the end by 2-1. This attack of Lyon and Yasir - off spinner and leg spinner.. would be lethal. Anderson is on his last legs so I'll replace him with Cummins/Starc.

In the world of Proactive India will be beaten by Honkkong too. India has much more potent spin attack now with addition of Kuldeep.

 

[Proactive_]

In the world of Proactive India will be beaten by Honkkong too. India has much more potent spin attack now with addition of Kuldeep.

I'm not sure whether Kuldeep would get a start over Ashwin in the Test team. He wasn't even in the squad for the SA tour despite winning India the decider of the toughest home series - against Aus in Dharamsala and has somehow just played 2 Tests. Kuldeep and Jadeja would be my spinners in any home series indeed. Ashwin is hopeless even on the flatter Indian tracks.

 

[Messiah]

Tom Latham? Mushfiqar Rashim? Anderson in india? Can choose much better players. But still a proper world xi would whitewash india with multiple win by innings or more. India almost choked it against a mediocre aussie side few months ago with steven o keefe of all people rampaging over them

 

[Messiah]

In the world of Proactive India will be beaten by Honkkong too. India has much more potent spin attack now with addition of Kuldeep.

How is kuldeep better than ashwin or jadeja in tests?? How would kuldeep improve anything? Acting like kuldeep is a virat kohli type addition while he is gona be a waterboy

 

[Hitman]

Tom Latham? Mushfiqar Rashim? Anderson in india? Can choose much better players. But still a proper world xi would whitewash india with multiple win by innings or more. India almost choked it against a mediocre aussie side few months ago with steven o keefe of all people rampaging over them

Winning a 4 match series 2-1 in 'almost choking'?

 

[IndianFan2018]

Tom Latham? Mushfiqar Rashim? Anderson in india? Can choose much better players. But still a proper world xi would whitewash india with multiple win by innings or more. India almost choked it against a mediocre aussie side few months ago with steven o keefe of all people rampaging over them

Better to make statements after watching actual series, first test in Pune was lottery due to spinning track.

Ind won the that home series vs AUS comprehensively without much contribution from king Kohli 2, he didn't play in last test.

AUS should be more worried, what if Kohli fires next time !

 

[WengerOut]

Tom Latham? Mushfiqar Rashim? Anderson in india? Can choose much better players. But still a proper world xi would whitewash india with multiple win by innings or more. India almost choked it against a mediocre aussie side few months ago with steven o keefe of all people rampaging over them

Yes , SOK surprised Ind in first match and then went on to take a grand total of 7 wkts in next 3 matches.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Beating India in India is highly challenging for any team. Winning a single match in India is considered as significant achievement let alone series win. India has brutally thrashed many great teams and made its reputation as one of the strongest ever home teams.
But i'm pretty sure this team of W-11 consisting of fabulous players can challenge india..

Alastair Cook
Tom Latham
Joe Root
Steve Smith (c)
AB deVilliers
Ben Stokes
Mushfiqer Rahim (wk)
Kagiso Rabada
Nathan Lyon
Yasir Shah
James Anderson

I have chosen this team based on players past performances in India and their recent form..
So players like Hashim Amla, Williamson,Herath are missing in my team.
Can this team beat India in a 3 match series on traditional dry and spinning pitches???

Id replace Latham with Azhar Ali, Joe Root with Hashim Amla, and Ben Stokes with Shakib Al Hasan.

On dry spining pitches, I highly doubt Ben Stokes bowling would add anything, and also his batting still has massive weakness against quality spin. On flat pitches or bouncy/green pitches, Id have Stokes over Shakib, but on spinning pitches Shakib is must. Also Id replace Anderson with Starc or Hazlewood. Anderson went into hiding in his last series in India. He is as useful on spining pitches as Ashwin on green pitches.

Cook
Azhar Ali
Amla
Smith (c)
Ab De Villiers
Shakib al Hasan
M. Rahim (WK)
K Rabada
N Lyon
Y Shah
M Starc

This team could potentially defeat India in India.

 

[jnaveen1980]

How is kuldeep better than ashwin or jadeja in tests?? How would kuldeep improve anything? Acting like kuldeep is a virat kohli type addition while he is gona be a waterboy

Roll out a spin pitch. Include him with Ashwin and Jadeja. They will roll out any team. Pujara, Vijay, Kohli will still take on any spin attack in the world.

 

[barah_admi]

Beating India in India is highly challenging for any team. Winning a single match in India is considered as significant achievement let alone series win. India has brutally thrashed many great teams and made its reputation as one of the strongest ever home teams.
But i'm pretty sure this team of W-11 consisting of fabulous players can challenge india..

Alastair Cook
Tom Latham
Joe Root
Steve Smith (c)
AB deVilliers
Ben Stokes
Mushfiqer Rahim (wk)
Kagiso Rabada
Nathan Lyon
Yasir Shah
James Anderson

I have chosen this team based on players past performances in India and their recent form..
So players like Hashim Amla, Williamson,Herath are missing in my team.
Can this team beat India in a 3 match series on traditional dry and spinning pitches???

Just hold your horses a bit. India lost to England at home, so they aren't that unbeatable, and imo tha twas a better side than today. As for the XI, it's not the best that could have been picked . Rahim over Sarfraz? No. Lyon out for Amir who is pretty good on flat tracks. I'll maybe make a more indepth xi later.

 

[barah_admi]

Roll out a spin pitch. Include him with Ashwin and Jadeja. They will roll out any team. Pujara, Vijay, Kohli will still take on any spin attack in the world.

They couldnt take on O Keefe but they will take on "any attack"?

 

[WengerOut]

They couldnt take on O Keefe but they will take on "any attack"?

What happened after Pune 2017 ?

 

[IndianFan2018]

Just hold your horses a bit. India lost to England at home, so they aren't that unbeatable, and imo tha twas a better side than today. As for the XI, it's not the best that could have been picked . Rahim over Sarfraz? No. Lyon out for Amir who is pretty good on flat tracks. I'll maybe make a more indepth xi later.

Mate don't pick and choose series to make your point, Eng did tour Ind again lost 4-0 and captain Cook lost his test capatincy to after the humiliation

 

[CanadianG00se]

They couldnt take on O Keefe but they will take on "any attack"?

If i recall correctly, most of our team were carrying injuries and/or were tired due to extemely long home season. But then we still managed to win the series.

Again, what was ur point? Losing a test match isnt as bad as losing a series at home that too whitewashed

 

[CanadianG00se]

Mate don't pick and choose series to make your point, Eng did tour Ind again lost 4-0 and captain Cook lost his test capatincy to after the humiliation

That England series was so boring, I mean midway through the series it was so obvious England aren’t going to win single game.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Just hold your horses a bit. India lost to England at home, so they aren't that unbeatable, and imo tha twas a better side than today. As for the XI, it's not the best that could have been picked . Rahim over Sarfraz? No. Lyon out for Amir who is pretty good on flat tracks. I'll maybe make a more indepth xi later.

India were in transition and England had formidable team back then. But what happened to them last they tour India, did you not remember or as usual trolling?

 

[jnaveen1980]

They couldnt take on O Keefe but they will take on "any attack"?

That was an aberration. What is Okeefe's overall career record can you tell me? Even Clarke has taken 6 for 9. Check Herath's record They were forced to drop him against India. It is like saying hey all time great australian side could not even handle Agarkar, Headley how will they handle others.

 

[IndianFan2018]

How is kuldeep better than ashwin or jadeja in tests?? How would kuldeep improve anything? Acting like kuldeep is a virat kohli type addition while he is gona be a waterboy

AUS test batsman from 4th Test and SA LOI batsman say 'HI' !

 

[madhusudansarkar]

To be honest, I do not expect this World XI to beat India in their backyard. The batting appears formidable but the bowling lineup isn't that suitable for Indian tracks. Anderson would be thrased and going with his recent injury troubles, expect him to break down in the dreary heat of the Indian subcontient. And I doubt the effectiveness of this spinners vs the Indian batsman at their home.

 

[barah_admi]

Mate don't pick and choose series to make your point, Eng did tour Ind again lost 4-0 and captain Cook lost his test capatincy to after the humiliation

I'm just saying they aren't unbeatable. They are hardly Aus or WI of their era.

 

[barah_admi]

That was an aberration. What is Okeefe's overall career record can you tell me? Even Clarke has taken 6 for 9. Check Herath's record They were forced to drop him against India. It is like saying hey all time great australian side could not even handle Agarkar, Headley how will they handle others.

yeah but you claimed they could take on any attack, they obviously cant.

 

[IndianFan2018]

I'm just saying they aren't unbeatable. They are hardly Aus or WI of their era.

Brother, as per my memory none of the Indian posters in PP claim that current Ind test team is as good as AUS or WI of their Golden Era !

Didn't get your point

India is No. 1 test team as per ICC Ranking system and best of the available lot from last 2 years

 

[barah_admi]

Brother, as per my memory none of the Indian posters in PP claim that current Ind test team is as good as AUS or WI of their Golden Era !

Didn't get your point

India is No. 1 test team as per ICC Ranking system and best of the available lot from last 2 years

The OP stated they were unbeatable at home, I proved him wrong.

As for them being number one, thats up for debate but enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[IndianFan2018]

yeah but you claimed they could take on any attack, they obviously cant.

Aberration or upsets can lead to 1 test lose not test series.

OP is asking "Can this World XI beat India in India in Tests?"

Keyword here is Tests (Plural) not Test (Singular) !

 

[IndianFan2018]

The OP stated they were unbeatable at home, I proved him wrong.

As for them being number one, thats up for debate but enjoy it while it lasts.

Again OP's question "Can this team beat India in a 3 match series on traditional dry and spinning pitches???"

 

[hk031992]

Cummins or Hazlewood is a must. Latham shouldn't be there. Anderson was good against India in his prime but he is long past it now and wouldn't be able to do well over there right now.

Bowling should be:

Rabada
Yasir
Lyon
Cummins

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Beating India in India is highly challenging for any team. Winning a single match in India is considered as significant achievement let alone series win. India has brutally thrashed many great teams and made its reputation as one of the strongest ever home teams.
But i'm pretty sure this team of W-11 consisting of fabulous players can challenge india..

Alastair Cook
Tom Latham
Joe Root
Steve Smith (c)
AB deVilliers
Ben Stokes
Mushfiqer Rahim (wk)
Kagiso Rabada
Nathan Lyon
Yasir Shah
James Anderson

I have chosen this team based on players past performances in India and their recent form..
So players like Hashim Amla, Williamson,Herath are missing in my team.
Can this team beat India in a 3 match series on traditional dry and spinning pitches???

This would be a better World XI for Indian conditions,IMO

Azhar Ali
Cook
Root
Smith
Ab Devilliers
QdK(wk)
Shakib
Rabada
Yasir
Hazlewood
Lyon

 

[kingusama92]

In India

Alastair Cook: 51.45
Tom Latham: 32.33
Joe Root: 53.09
Steve Smith (c): 60.00
AB de Villiers: 45.00
Mushfiqer Rahim (wk): 75.00 (only 1 innings!)

Ben Stokes: 38.33 (bat) & 44.62 (bowl)

Kagiso Rabada: 55.50
Nathan Lyon: 30.58
Yasir Shah: N/A
James Anderson: 33.46

Based on these numbers, I'm afraid the bowling attack isn't up to scratch. They suffer from lack of experience of bowling in India or are starting to show their age (i.e. Anderson). Hazlewood needs to be in there somewhere.

The batting order is respectable but Latham and Rahim stick out like sore thumbs for a World XI.

 

[hk031992]

Slightly controversial but i will take Sarfraz if we are playing in India. He is an excellent player of spin

 

[Rishta Aunty]

I can see it being a 1-1 draw or either of the teams sneaking it 2-1. I don't think India are as unbeatable as they are made out to be right now, neither do I think that their number 1 ranking is rubbish as some others are saying.

Beating India at home in Tests is probably the biggest challenge for a touring team right now in the world. Still rate the Indian team that was number 1 before the 2011 World Cup higher though.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

It would probably maul India 4-1 in a 5 match series. The only decent spin attack that visited India in the past 2-3 years was Australia with Lyon and O'Keefe and India slipped to a record defeat in Pune before barely scrapping through in the end by 2-1. This attack of Lyon and Yasir - off spinner and leg spinner.. would be lethal. Anderson is on his last legs so I'll replace him with Cummins/Starc.

Why are you like this?

lol.

Ok lets use your logic.

Aus won Pune.

Lost Bangalore.

Escaped Ranchi.

Lost Dharamshala.

This was with a series where Ashwin was injured and Kuldeep didn't play until the last test. And Kohli scored nothing.

Now tell me....fully fit Ashwin and Kuldeep in Pune test...what would happen?

As for SOK, he averaged 7 in first test and 50+ in the rest of the 3 tests.

 

[Savage]

Starc is must.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Vijay
Dhawan/Rahul (if Dhawan plays, Rahul can play middle order)
Pujara
Kohli
Rahul/Hanuma Vihari/any solid spin playing middle order bat
Saha
Ashwin
Jaddu
Kuldeep
Bhuvi/Bumrah/Umesh
Shami

In full flow, this is a bloody good team.

The bowling is as ruthless as it gets for Indian tracks.

Wow wow wow.

It will be a great contest with World XI.

My bet will be on India for 2 reasons:

1. Most potent spin force with varied skill sets (if one flops, another takes over the mantle) with pace attack giving them nice support
2. Advantage of playing as a team compared to world XI teams (very under-rated aspect)

 

[WengerOut]

Vijay
Dhawan/Rahul (if Dhawan plays, Rahul can play middle order)
Pujara
Kohli
Rahul/Hanuma Vihari/any solid spin playing middle order bat
Saha
Ashwin
Jaddu
Kuldeep
Bhuvi/Bumrah/Umesh
Shami

In full flow, this is a bloody good team.

The bowling is as ruthless as it gets for Indian tracks.

Wow wow wow.

It will be a great contest with World XI.

My bet will be on India for 2 reasons:

1. Most potent spin force with varied skill sets (if one flops, another takes over the mantle) with pace attack giving them nice support
2. Advantage of playing as a team compared to world XI teams (very under-rated aspect)

I think Vijay is on his last legs against quality bowling. And I am pleasantly surprised by Hanuma Viharis rise. Fantastic record. I saw his innings against Vidarbha the other day. You gotta say , he is a pretty solid test player.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

On current form, this could be the best World XI:

Karunaratne
Azhar Ali/Tamil Iqbal
Smith
Root
ABD
Bairstow/Chandimal (wk)
Rabada
Starc
Cummins
Yasir
Lyon

In bench: Ben Stokes & Shakib Al Hasan

 

[WengerOut]

On current form, this could be the best World XI:

Karunaratne
Azhar Ali/Tamil Iqbal
Smith
Root
ABD
Bairstow/Chandimal (wk)
Rabada
Starc
Cummins
Yasir
Lyon

In bench: Ben Stokes

Rabada and Starc have pretty poor record in India. Rabada , I am sure will have improved but Starc i doubt.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Rabada and Starc have pretty poor record in India. Rabada , I am sure will have improved but Starc i doubt.

Rabada was a newbie back then. Ambrose in his first 2-3 series was bad too. Plus Rabada knows how to get it to reverse.

Starc with his yorkers can be lethal. Indian lower order wags a lot in India (and played a huge role in the series win against Eng and Aus) and if Starc can take them out, that alone makes him deserving candidate for the world Xi.

 

[jagatk]

That is a poor world 11. Frankly there just aren't 11 players today good enough to come together and beat India in india today.

Cook was a great player but today's cook won't last until the time ashwin and jadeja come around, so he is basically useless and there just aren't good enough openers who can actually play well in india.

Latham is an average player.

The middle 3 are brilliant and will give india a tough time but don't see 3 good batsman being good enough to beat this Indian team

Stokes is a good player but not good enough his strength is reversing the ball and other than Anderson at his peak no one really has been able to do that consistently enough to actually trouble batsmen through the series.

Mushfiqur is not a web rather pick Bairstow.

The bowling is decent, I don't know how good yasir would be in india but others have come here and showed glimpses but never the full ability to actually trouble India in India.

 

[jagatk]

Rabada was a newbie back then. Ambrose in his first 2-3 series was bad too. Plus Rabada knows how to get it to reverse.

Starc with his yorkers can be lethal. Indian lower order wags a lot in India (and played a huge role in the series win against Eng and Aus) and if Starc can take them out, that alone makes him deserving candidate for the world Xi.

Starc's biggest strength is his pace and bounce rather than his yorkers. Indian pitches kill his bounce, his yorkers work because they are novelty factor that he sets up as his final weapon, yorkers alone with little swing aren't going to trouble any Indian test tail ender.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Starc's biggest strength is his pace and bounce rather than his yorkers. Indian pitches kill his bounce, his yorkers work because they are novelty factor that he sets up as his final weapon, yorkers alone with little swing aren't going to trouble any Indian test tail ender.

Starc can reverse too.

Definitely worth a try.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

That is a poor world 11. Frankly there just aren't 11 players today good enough to come together and beat India in india today.

Cook was a great player but today's cook won't last until the time ashwin and jadeja come around, so he is basically useless and there just aren't good enough openers who can actually play well in india.

Latham is an average player.

The middle 3 are brilliant and will give india a tough time but don't see 3 good batsman being good enough to beat this Indian team

Stokes is a good player but not good enough his strength is reversing the ball and other than Anderson at his peak no one really has been able to do that consistently enough to actually trouble batsmen through the series.

Mushfiqur is not a web rather pick Bairstow.

The bowling is decent, I don't know how good yasir would be in india but others have come here and showed glimpses but never the full ability to actually trouble India in India.

Truth is world XI is likely to lose in India.

They might win some tests but hard to see them winning a 5 match series.

 

[jagatk]

Starc can reverse too.

Definitely worth a try.

Haven't seen him do it well, frankly haven't seen anyone actually trouble India consistently with reverse except Anderson in 2012. Starc is a good bowler but expecting anyone to emulate Anderson 2012 is a tall ask.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Haven't seen him do it well, frankly haven't seen anyone actually trouble India consistently with reverse except Anderson in 2012. Starc is a good bowler but expecting anyone to emulate Anderson 2012 is a tall ask.

He may flop but he has the skills to do the damage.

Indian lower order has been a thorn in the opposition flesh.

Crucial moment and he takes out Ashwin, Jaddu, Kuldeep and some tailender in quick succession and a 200/6 could be 215 instead of 350.

May not happen always but in a crucial test, it could be game changing.

You need to have one pacer like that in your lineup.

 

[Proactive_]

Why are you like this?

lol.

Ok lets use your logic.

Aus won Pune.

Lost Bangalore.

Escaped Ranchi.

Lost Dharamshala.

This was with a series where Ashwin was injured and Kuldeep didn't play until the last test. And Kohli scored nothing.

Now tell me....fully fit Ashwin and Kuldeep in Pune test...what would happen?

As for SOK, he averaged 7 in first test and 50+ in the rest of the 3 tests.

Australia would have still won by a considerable margin. You seem to forget that in that Test S.Smith had a higher individual score than both the Indian innings - 109 to India's 105 and 107. The Indian batting was THAT bad. A 333 run loss on that minefield is simply of astronomical proportions.

 

[Gasman]

Alistair Cook
David Warner
Azhar Ali
Kane Williamson
Joe Root
Ben Stokes
Sarfaraz Ahmed (c,wk)
Sunil Narine
Yasir Shah
Rashid Khan
Mitchell Starc

The winning combination!

 

[Gasman]

Sorry, I've overlooked Stephen Smith
He can replace Azhar Ali, Williamson moves up to 3, Smith at 4, root 5

 

[jagatk]

Australia would have still won by a considerable margin. You seem to forget that in that Test S.Smith had a higher individual score than both the Indian innings - 109 to India's 105 and 107. The Indian batting was THAT bad. A 333 run loss on that minefield is simply of astronomical proportions.

It's actually you who forgot that Smith was dropped 4-5 times enroute to that century. He would not be scoring more 10 or 20 against a fit ashwin and a kuldeep as his innings had a huge slice of luck involved.

But then again blind hate does that to people I suppose.

 

[jagatk]

Alistair Cook
David Warner
Azhar Ali
Kane Williamson
Joe Root
Ben Stokes
Sarfaraz Ahmed (c,wk)
Sunil Narine
Yasir Shah
Rashid Khan
Mitchell Starc

The winning combination!

Rashid Khan and Sunil narine are good LoI players, tests are a completely different ball game. One doesn't need to attack the bowler consistently in tests and that reduces the bowlers like narine especially to not even half as good as they are in LoI.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Australia would have still won by a considerable margin. You seem to forget that in that Test S.Smith had a higher individual score than both the Indian innings - 109 to India's 105 and 107. The Indian batting was THAT bad. A 333 run loss on that minefield is simply of astronomical proportions.

Did you forget Smith was given 4-5 times lives in that innings?

2 dollies dropped off Ashwin
2 lives against Jaddu (lbw and caught behind)
One more life too but I don't remember how

So we will give Smith 4-5 lives in Pune every time we play Aus there?

Let me know.

 

[Ab Fan]

Beating India in India is highly challenging for any team. Winning a single match in India is considered as significant achievement let alone series win. India has brutally thrashed many great teams and made its reputation as one of the strongest ever home teams.
But i'm pretty sure this team of W-11 consisting of fabulous players can challenge india..

Alastair Cook
Tom Latham
Joe Root
Steve Smith (c)
AB deVilliers
Ben Stokes
Mushfiqer Rahim (wk)
Kagiso Rabada
Nathan Lyon
Yasir Shah
James Anderson

I have chosen this team based on players past performances in India and their recent form..
So players like Hashim Amla, Williamson,Herath are missing in my team.
Can this team beat India in a 3 match series on traditional dry and spinning pitches???

Latham out, Tamim in.

Rahim out, Sarfaraz in. (Bairstow is not good vs spin & I have lost my confidence from de Kock these days ).

Stokes out, Shakib in.

Anderson out, Starc in or perhaps Hazlewood. Starc at times might be wayward and leak runs. Hazlewood won't give India easy runs.

World XI should be:-

Cook/Azhar
Tamim(Cook and Azhar together means two defensive openers- wrong strategy)
Smith
Root
AB
Shakib
Sarfaraz(w/k)
Yasir
Rabada
Starc/Hazlewood
Lyon/Herath(Lyon on form probably)

I expect the contest to be tight. Most teams that toured India had 3-4 players only conducive enough. This team has all of them.

 

[Proactive_]

Did you forget Smith was given 4-5 times lives in that innings?

2 dollies dropped off Ashwin
2 lives against Jaddu (lbw and caught behind)
One more life too but I don't remember how

So we will give Smith 4-5 lives in Pune every time we play Aus there?

Let me know.

It's actually you who forgot that Smith was dropped 4-5 times enroute to that century. He would not be scoring more 10 or 20 against a fit ashwin and a kuldeep as his innings had a huge slice of luck involved.

But then again blind hate does that to people I suppose.

And what about the dropped catch of Kohli in the 1st innings of the 3rd Test and Pujara's plumb lbw review not taken when he was on 0? Would you put an asterisk besides India's victory in the 3rd Test coz of these factors? Obviously not.

Dropped catches are a part and parcel of the game. Smith scored more in 1 innings than the 11 Indian batsmen could in either of their innings. That's monumental, both his innings and the margin of defeat in that Test match.

 

[Proactive_]

^

Just to be clear I'm talking about the 3rd Test vs SA recently.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

And what about the dropped catch of Kohli in the 1st innings of the 3rd Test and Pujara's plumb lbw review not taken when he was on 0? Would you put an asterisk besides India's victory in the 3rd Test coz of these factors? Obviously not.

Dropped catches are a part and parcel of the game. Smith scored more in 1 innings than the 11 Indian batsmen could in either of their innings. That's monumental, both his innings and the margin of defeat in that Test match.

Lol who said Smith's knock wasn't great? Or Australia didn't deserve the win?

Don't deflect bhai. That's not the discussion.

Simple question...will India give Smith 4-5 lives if they play him in Pune again?

Next question - if we played that way with injured Ash and no Kuldeep, will we not do well when they are both fit and firing?

 

[Proactive_]

Lol who said Smith's knock wasn't great? Or Australia didn't deserve the win?

Don't deflect bhai. That's not the discussion.

Simple question...will India give Smith 4-5 lives if they play him in Pune again?

Next question - if we played that way with injured Ash and no Kuldeep, will we not do well when they are both fit and firing?

They can or they can't. There is no way to know. In the same vein - You can't say Australia played to their fullest potential even in that Test match either. There is no way to know, it's a hypothetical argument and has nothing to do with an objective discussion based on actual figures at hand.

In the end, India lost a Test match on a minefield by 333 runs. It isn't even like an one off collapse since they collapsed twice in the same Test.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

They can or they can't. There is no way to know. In the same vein - You can't say Australia played to their fullest potential even in that Test match either. There is no way to know, it's a hypothetical argument and has nothing to do with an objective discussion based on actual figures at hand.

May or may not. Legal speak eh?

There is legal speak and there is logical speak.

Can india give Smith 4-5 lives in Pune next? They technically can. Why not?

Will India drop dollies and actually give him so many lives? Unlikely.

And you call this irrelevant to the objective discussion at hand?

My friend, the moment you choose to blatantly hide behind technicalities, objectivity goes for a toss.

Now talking about Aus not playing to full potential is again deflection. I didn't even raise the point about india's poor form or fatigue or Kohli's freak poor performance.

All I talked about was injuries and drops which are verifiable and in an objective discussion about a future event, these are the things to take into account.

 

[Proactive_]

May or may not. Legal speak eh?

There is legal speak and there is logical speak.

Can india give Smith 4-5 lives in Pune next? They technically can. Why not?

Will India drop dollies and actually give him so many lives? Unlikely.

And you call this irrelevant to the objective discussion at hand?

My friend, the moment you choose to blatantly hide behind technicalities, objectivity goes for a toss.

Now talking about Aus not playing to full potential is again deflection. I didn't even raise the point about india's poor form or fatigue or Kohli's freak poor performance.

All I talked about was injuries and drops which are verifiable and in an objective discussion about a future event, these are the things to take into account.

I asked you the same about the India-SA 3rd Test. What do you make of SA's poor fielding and misjudgment of reviews in that Test? Would you be consistent and say that India's win had much to do with SAs uncharacteristic fielding and unlucky (non) reviews? If yes, then I have no problem with your argument, if no then you're simply a hypocrite.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Goodness me. India lost one test, one test in years, that too in a series they eventually won and there is someone cribbing about it. One can even ignore that there isn't any team that has visited India recently and not got whooped black and blue.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I asked you the same about the India-SA 3rd Test. What do you make of SA's poor fielding and misjudgment of reviews in that Test? Would you be consistent and say that India's win had much to do with SAs uncharacteristic fielding and unlucky (non) reviews? If yes, then I have no problem with your argument, if no then you're simply a hypocrite.

Third time deflection, my friend.

I have already said the drops or injury doesn't take anything away from Smith or Aus.

So its obvious that my view is that wins have to be respected cos you still hav to play well.

But when discussing about a future event, we take into account everything.

Reg SA series if you choose to compare, we dropped a ton of catches in second test, didnt land early enough, played the wrong team hence fans call it a winnable series.

Heck, many neutrals call it a winnable series which says a lot.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Goodness me. India lost one test, one test in years, that too in a series they eventually won and there is someone cribbing about it. One can even ignore that there isn't any team that has visited India recently and not got whooped black and blue.

He is bitter loser and will chop and filter stats in any way possible to make Kohli look a dud
My best advice is just to ignore ‘em

 

[jagatk]

And what about the dropped catch of Kohli in the 1st innings of the 3rd Test and Pujara's plumb lbw review not taken when he was on 0? Would you put an asterisk besides India's victory in the 3rd Test coz of these factors? Obviously not.

Dropped catches are a part and parcel of the game. Smith scored more in 1 innings than the 11 Indian batsmen could in either of their innings. That's monumental, both his innings and the margin of defeat in that Test match.

The question my friend is hypothetical, we are discussing what could happen in a hypothetical series. No one is questioning Aussie victory.

You are saying a fit ashwin and a kuldeep wouldn't make any difference in a game where the batsman who turned out to be the match winner facing an unfit ashwin and no kuldeep gave 4-5 chances to us.

Reviews not taken are absolutely clutching at straws to prove a point which is very weak. Also if Smith was dropped once this would not have been a conversation. Anyone could give you a chance and that is just getting a bit lucky in an otherwise brilliant performance but when while batting you give 4-5 chances that isn't a great innings as then luck played a bigger role in the innings than your ability.

 

[Proactive_]

Third time deflection, my friend.

I have already said the drops or injury doesn't take anything away from Smith or Aus.

So its obvious that my view is that wins have to be respected cos you still hav to play well.

But when discussing about a future event, we take into account everything.

Reg SA series if you choose to compare, we dropped a ton of catches in second test, didnt land early enough, played the wrong team hence fans call it a winnable series.

Heck, many neutrals call it a winnable series which says a lot.

So basically you would use the same argument when it suits you and discard it when it doesn't? That's pretty convincing..

Pune 2017 has happened. India lost by 333 runs. It's an undisputed fact that 11 Indian batsmen couldn't outscore Smith's 3rd innings hundred in either of their innings. That's as convincing a victory as you'll ever gonna get in cricket.

 

[Proactive_]

The question my friend is hypothetical, we are discussing what could happen in a hypothetical series. No one is questioning Aussie victory.

You are saying a fit ashwin and a kuldeep wouldn't make any difference in a game where the batsman who turned out to be the match winner facing an unfit ashwin and no kuldeep gave 4-5 chances to us.

Reviews not taken are absolutely clutching at straws to prove a point which is very weak. Also if Smith was dropped once this would not have been a conversation. Anyone could give you a chance and that is just getting a bit lucky in an otherwise brilliant performance but when while batting you give 4-5 chances that isn't a great innings as then luck played a bigger role in the innings than your ability.

The fielding by SA in the 3rd Test was atrocious, especially in the 3rd innings and they also let off Kohli when he was in single figures in the first innings, not to mention the (non) review of Pujara when he was on 0. There are significant factors if you're ready to play this game of "dropped catches" and unlucky reviews. I'm just trying to be consistent here, it's you who is exhibiting double standards.

 

[Liverpool_Faizan]

No World XI will ever be successful unless they have a few months of training and bonding beforehand. Super star teams can't win intense matches.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

So basically you would use the same argument when it suits you and discard it when it doesn't? That's pretty convincing..

Pune 2017 has happened. India lost by 333 runs. It's an undisputed fact that 11 Indian batsmen couldn't outscore Smith's 3rd innings hundred in either of their innings. That's as convincing a victory as you'll ever gonna get in cricket.

Sky is blue.

One plus one equal to two.

Well since we are repeating known facts, I thought I would chime in with a few myself.

Again for the final time no one disputed the fact that Australia won the Pune test fair and square.

Point is that in future with a fit Ashwin and Kuldeep, and without our fielders dropping dollies, such wins are unlikely.

Even if such wins happen, series wins are super unlikely.

Even if series win happens in some crazy world, 1-4 loss like you comically suggested are crazy unlikely.

To summarize, all you gave done in this thread is:

Crazy claim
Deflect
Deflect
Deflect
Repeat known fact & throw in some illogical hypocrisy accusations when you have nothing to say

Hilarious.

I will end it here.

 

[Proactive_]

Sky is blue.

One plus one equal to two.

Well since we are repeating known facts, I thought I would chime in with a few myself.

Again for the final time no one disputed the fact that Australia won the Pune test fair and square.

Point is that in future with a fit Ashwin and Kuldeep, and without our fielders dropping dollies, such wins are unlikely.

Even if such wins happen, series wins are super unlikely.

Even if series win happens in some crazy world, 1-4 loss like you comically suggested are crazy unlikely.

To summarize, all you gave done in this thread is:

Crazy claim
Deflect
Deflect
Deflect
Repeat known fact & throw in some illogical hypocrisy accusations when you have nothing to say

Hilarious.

I will end it here.

You do realize that I'm actually trying to be on the same page as you, right? But you're just adamant on not addressing the India-SA 3rd Test and clearing your views on that match with respect to the argument that YOU are pushing forth. I have no problem in accepting your argument if you can accept the proposition that India would have also most probably lost 3-0 if it weren't for SAs atrocious fielding and unlucky reviews in the 3rd Test. I'm just being fair imo.

 

[Teshi98]

You do realize that I'm actually trying to be on the same page as you, right? But you're just adamant on not addressing the India-SA 3rd Test and clearing your views on that match with respect to the argument that YOU are pushing forth. I have no problem in accepting your argument if you can accept the proposition that India would have also most probably lost 3-0 if it weren't for SAs atrocious fielding and unlucky reviews in the 3rd Test. I'm just being fair imo.

I guess you have forgotten that your reply was that india will lose the series 4-1. India lost only one match at home in last cycle where players were coming off a very hectic season. Kohli failed and i guess even you would believe that he would have performed atleast once in the series.
As sif mentioned ashwin was carrying an injury and kuldeep had not made his debut till then. Fielding was poor too.
Yes the margin of defeat was very big and other factors negated aus would have still won but not by as much runs.
And if they were so good they would have won the series especially after being in a winning position in 2nd test. Git lucky in 3rd and lost the 4th.
A weakened india side (no contribution from Kohli) beat them and with him firing it would have been a beating just like eng got. His reply was regarding this how you are considering one match or even one series for comparing how world 11 would humilate india when there have been not more than 5 close games throughout tbe season including the loss.
Regarding the sa series you did not reply to sif comment about india dropping catches in 2nd test and arriving earlier. Also team selection was a bit weird and these points must be enough for you to stop from changing the topic.
Its amazing to see the magic you have of deflecting away from the topic whenever your senseless and hatred full claims get destroyed.

 

[Hasan123]

Don't see OPs 11 winning in India.