Can top PSL teams beat top IPL teams?

[CricketDon]

Lol any international stars would return or go to IPL. PSL would have domestic players and some IPL rejects and over the hill players getting a free pay day from PSL

 

[CricketDon]

I remember Umar Akmal single handedly beating Mumbai Indians

 

[Mean&Green]

Sorry, I missed this misinformed post.

Lahore Lions, with plenty of international players, beat a weak Mumbai team who were without Rohit.

The Mumbai had the following batting lineup:

Simmons
Hussey
Saxena
Rayudu
Tare
Pollard

That is a terrible lineup. Hussey is the only quality batsman in that lineup but this match was in 2014 and he was finished by then.

Any half-decent T20 side would walk over this awful batting lineup.

In comparison, Lahore Lions had Shehzad, Jamshed, Hafeez and Umar Akmal. A more than decent lineup especially for 2014 and clearly better than Mumbai Indians’.

Mumbai had Bumrah but he was 21 year old at the time and nothing like the bowler he is today. He was not nothing special until 2016.

I stick by what I said nearly a year ago. Pakistan is a deeply mediocre T20I team and its ranking is the greatest work of fiction since Lord of the Rings. If Pakistan were to join the IPL as the 9th franchise, it will get whooped provided that the other franchises are at full-strength.

Man I hate to always destroy you but seriously you’re at a level of trolling that one can just laugh at and say how could this person sleep at night with so much mediocrity inside of him. Simmons one of the best t20 players who destroyed India in the semi final of a World Cup. Pollard unarguably one of the most devastating t20 players in the world. Mike hussey I don’t need to say anything. Malinga the best t20 bowler ever probably and he’s easily been Mumbai Indians best bowler ever. They even had Harbhajan for god sake and you have the audacity to name the likes of tare. Lmao you’re just hurt and jealous cause your trolling got exposed by that one game. The Pakistani players you named are mediocre players in t20s except Hafeez. The best players from Lahore’s side in that game we’re Imran Ali adnan rasool and Asif raza players who haven’t even played an international game for Pakistan. You seriously had the audacity to mention Sharma when that whole side was stacked and Lahore’s side was even on paper no where close to that Mumbai Indians side. We know you’re jealous about everything related to Pakistan but don’t even try to take the fact away from Pakistan that a bunch of Lahori mundey gave a nice whooping to India’s best IPL team and give you restless nights till date.

 

[Titan24]

but the players that you have mentioned, weren't these players that were already there in our domestic set up?

because the thing is, the amount of small cricket leagues we have like hte ramazan tournaments, nigth torunaments and tape ball, we rarely see any PSL team bringing in a specialist T20 player.

Haris Rauf was one, and the other was maybe Sohail Akhtar

Finding a diamond in the dust isnt happening in most leagues around as well. Even in IPL I cant think of many or rather any success stories where a player came in and never played U19 or domestic and then went onto play for the national team.

Regarding Akif Javed he is a pretty recent find but yes it wasnt done by PSL scouts but they still recognized him and selected him.

 

[MMHS]

In a T20 game, any team can beat other on a particular day - I believe Mughabe’s ZIM beat Australia in a WC (?) game; Holland beat Poms .....some shop keepers & weekend club cricketers from Singapore beat Zimbabwe..... the very next game same ZIM beat Afghans.

Over all in a 7 game series any of 8 IPL teams will beat any of 6 PSL teams in between 6-1 to 4-3..... but they’ll definitely win the series. It’s like Baseball playoff - they play 162 regular season games just to make sure that after that many games, top teams will be filtered out for playoffs. And, playoffs are played in 7 game series to give best teams higher chances.

A Test match is something that one has to play really well to win, but not T20.

 

[Mamoon]

Man I hate to always destroy you but seriously you’re at a level of trolling that one can just laugh at and say how could this person sleep at night with so much mediocrity inside of him. Simmons one of the best t20 players who destroyed India in the semi final of a World Cup. Pollard unarguably one of the most devastating t20 players in the world. Mike hussey I don’t need to say anything. Malinga the best t20 bowler ever probably and he’s easily been Mumbai Indians best bowler ever. They even had Harbhajan for god sake and you have the audacity to name the likes of tare. Lmao you’re just hurt and jealous cause your trolling got exposed by that one game. The Pakistani players you named are mediocre players in t20s except Hafeez. The best players from Lahore’s side in that game we’re Imran Ali adnan rasool and Asif raza players who haven’t even played an international game for Pakistan. You seriously had the audacity to mention Sharma when that whole side was stacked and Lahore’s side was even on paper no where close to that Mumbai Indians side. We know you’re jealous about everything related to Pakistan but don’t even try to take the fact away from Pakistan that a bunch of Lahori mundey gave a nice whooping to India’s best IPL team and give you restless nights till date.

Destroy me? Are you talking about your ridiculous argument of proving that Cook has a better claim of being the best cricketer of the 2010 decade ahead of Kohli?

Your ridiculous argument was build on the false premise that Kohli only captained for 5 years while Cook captained throughout the decade, but then I educated you that Kohli actually captained for a longer period of time in the last decade compared to Cook.

You should be thankful that I even bother to reply to your posts and give you recognition. I don’t extend that privilege to everyone here. However, if you don’t learn to be respectful and don’t learn how to talk to people, I will take that privilege away from you.

Now that your delusions have been addressed, let me answer your post.

The Mumbai batting lineup that lost to Lahore Lions is one of the weakest lineups an IPL team has ever fielded.

Hussey was a top player in his prime, but he was past it in 2014 and no better than the likes of Shehzad, Hafeez, Umar etc. at that stage of his career.

Simmons is good but his presence did not make up for the absence of Rohit, who was already one of the top Limited Overs players by 2014.

Furthermore, they were also without Corey Anderson, who was one of the top hitters in Limited Overs cricket at that time. He scored the fastest ODI century that year.

The middle-order of Saxena, Rayudu and Tare is just terrible. Do you even know who Saxena and Tare are? Yes Pollard was there but overall it was still a very poor lineup and any half-decent team (which Lahore Lions was) would easily brush that team aside.

They had Malinga, but even an all-star bowling attack cannot win you matches with such a substandard batting lineup.

You are judging the Lahore Lions team from today’s perspective. Shehzad had a purple patch in 2013-14 and was a Pakistan regular, Umar was still a very good T20 player then and Hafeez was in his prime years. All three would have walked into that Mumbai lineup ahead of a past it Hussey and nobodies like Saxena and Tare.

Overall, that Lahore Lions side was better than the Mumbai Indians one when you remove the Rohit factor.

Mumbai was not the best IPL team that year. They won 7 and lost 7 in spite of having Rohit and Corey Anderson. If they would have played without those two, i.e. the team that faced Lahore Lions, they would have finished at the bottom of the IPL table.

 

[Mamoon]

In a T20 game, any team can beat other on a particular day - I believe Mughabe’s ZIM beat Australia in a WC (?) game; Holland beat Poms .....some shop keepers & weekend club cricketers from Singapore beat Zimbabwe..... the very next game same ZIM beat Afghans.

Over all in a 7 game series any of 8 IPL teams will beat any of 6 PSL teams in between 6-1 to 4-3..... but they’ll definitely win the series. It’s like Baseball playoff - they play 162 regular season games just to make sure that after that many games, top teams will be filtered out for playoffs. And, playoffs are played in 7 game series to give best teams higher chances.

A Test match is something that one has to play really well to win, but not T20.

It is not a coincidence that India has only lost 1 T20 to Pakistan in history, and the last 4-5 encounters between the two sides in the last decade indicates that Mugabe’s Zimbabwe probably have a better chance of beating Australia than Pakistan of beating India with “spinners” like Shadab and Imad, and batting mainstays like whatever we have except Babar.

As I said in other thread, Pakistan’s cheap bag of tricks in T20 cricket have zero worth against India, because they can beat us at our own game unlike any other team.

 

[Mamoon]

Lets be honest Big Bash is mile better than any other league. I was compareing the leagues around where did Pakistan come from? You seem to have phobia against Pakistan which I can understand.

Now ask any batsman if he likes to bat on a slow low batting track or bouney fast track, I am sure if you have little bit of knowlege you pick the low slow. IPL, PSL, CBL etc all the same. I am of course a neutral observer.

If you want to live in your own world than your imagination can be endless. You can imagine that Pakistan is the best team in all formats and Big Bash is miles better than IPL, Babar is better than Kohli etc.

Unfortunately, in the real world, IPL is the gold standard of T20 cricket. Its status is equivalent to T20 international cricket. IPL is basically T20 international cricket in franchise form.

Even Big Bash organizers would laugh at your ludicrous assessment that their league is miles ahead of IPL.

It is ironic that you are questioning my knowledge when you are calling IPL pitches low and slow, and grouping them with PSL and CPL pitches. That assessment is so ignorant and so misinformed that it doesn’t even deserve a response.

Nevertheless, I will still oblige. IPL pitches are nothing like PSL and CPL pitches. It is played on proper flat wickets with fast outfields, where good batting lineups can easily score in excess of 200+.

Last season, not a single team crossed the 200 mark in Big Bash. This season, we have seen some big scores but most of the times, teams are scoring around 140-150.

Big Bash is a very average league that appears to be quality because of the infrastructure of Australian stadiums, the quality of production and the fielding of Australian domestic players. In terms of quality of overseas payers, it is even worse than PSL, let alone IPL.

 

[CricketDon]

Man I hate to always destroy you but seriously you’re at a level of trolling that one can just laugh at and say how could this person sleep at night with so much mediocrity inside of him. Simmons one of the best t20 players who destroyed India in the semi final of a World Cup. Pollard unarguably one of the most devastating t20 players in the world. Mike hussey I don’t need to say anything. Malinga the best t20 bowler ever probably and he’s easily been Mumbai Indians best bowler ever. They even had Harbhajan for god sake and you have the audacity to name the likes of tare. Lmao you’re just hurt and jealous cause your trolling got exposed by that one game. The Pakistani players you named are mediocre players in t20s except Hafeez. The best players from Lahore’s side in that game we’re Imran Ali adnan rasool and Asif raza players who haven’t even played an international game for Pakistan. You seriously had the audacity to mention Sharma when that whole side was stacked and Lahore’s side was even on paper no where close to that Mumbai Indians side. We know you’re jealous about everything related to Pakistan but don’t even try to take the fact away from Pakistan that a bunch of Lahori mundey gave a nice whooping to India’s best IPL team and give you restless nights till date.

Bro you ain’t destroying anyone chill. Also you call Umar Akmal mediocre but last time I checked he stopped a collapse and anchored us to victory slapping the bowlers all around the park.

 

[JattMaula]

Why not? Only edge IPL teams have is better international players to select from.

 

[Etherealistic]

IPL winner can easily defeat PSL winner, especially Chennai Super Kings and Mumbai Indians.

 

[Mean&Green]

Destroy me? Are you talking about your ridiculous argument of proving that Cook has a better claim of being the best cricketer of the 2010 decade ahead of Kohli?

Your ridiculous argument was build on the false premise that Kohli only captained for 5 years while Cook captained throughout the decade, but then I educated you that Kohli actually captained for a longer period of time in the last decade compared to Cook.

You should be thankful that I even bother to reply to your posts and give you recognition. I don’t extend that privilege to everyone here. However, if you don’t learn to be respectful and don’t learn how to talk to people, I will take that privilege away from you.

Now that your delusions have been addressed, let me answer your post.

The Mumbai batting lineup that lost to Lahore Lions is one of the weakest lineups an IPL team has ever fielded.

Hussey was a top player in his prime, but he was past it in 2014 and no better than the likes of Shehzad, Hafeez, Umar etc. at that stage of his career.

Simmons is good but his presence did not make up for the absence of Rohit, who was already one of the top Limited Overs players by 2014.

Furthermore, they were also without Corey Anderson, who was one of the top hitters in Limited Overs cricket at that time. He scored the fastest ODI century that year.

The middle-order of Saxena, Rayudu and Tare is just terrible. Do you even know who Saxena and Tare are? Yes Pollard was there but overall it was still a very poor lineup and any half-decent team (which Lahore Lions was) would easily brush that team aside.

They had Malinga, but even an all-star bowling attack cannot win you matches with such a substandard batting lineup.

You are judging the Lahore Lions team from today’s perspective. Shehzad had a purple patch in 2013-14 and was a Pakistan regular, Umar was still a very good T20 player then and Hafeez was in his prime years. All three would have walked into that Mumbai lineup ahead of a past it Hussey and nobodies like Saxena and Tare.

Overall, that Lahore Lions side was better than the Mumbai Indians one when you remove the Rohit factor.

Mumbai was not the best IPL team that year. They won 7 and lost 7 in spite of having Rohit and Corey Anderson. If they would have played without those two, i.e. the team that faced Lahore Lions, they would have finished at the bottom of the IPL table.

You completely ignored my whole post and went on your typical merry way rant. One Rohit doesn’t change the fact that how many internationals and experienced players Mumbai had. On top of that bowlers win you t20s not batsmen also you totally ignored the fact that the top performers in that game from Lahore haven’t even played a international till date. You can be as ridiculous as you want but it won’t change the fact that Lahore beat a superior Mumbai Indians side than them without even an argument. So go on and write another essay cause you will twist the argument by ignoring the facts and putting in your own made up twists like a star plus drama that you are to make it sound like Lahore lions beat some gully Mohalla Mumbai team. You think I like replying to you lol it’s that your trolling gets so ridiculous that one has to give you a reality check once in a while. So now I won’t be replying to another essay of yours good bye.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Sorry, I missed this misinformed post.

Lahore Lions, with plenty of international players, beat a weak Mumbai team who were without Rohit.

The Mumbai had the following batting lineup:

Simmons
Hussey
Saxena
Rayudu
Tare
Pollard

That is a terrible lineup. Hussey is the only quality batsman in that lineup but this match was in 2014 and he was finished by then.

Any half-decent T20 side would walk over this awful batting lineup.

In comparison, Lahore Lions had Shehzad, Jamshed, Hafeez and Umar Akmal. A more than decent lineup especially for 2014 and clearly better than Mumbai Indians’.

Mumbai had Bumrah but he was 21 year old at the time and nothing like the bowler he is today. He was not nothing special until 2016.

I stick by what I said nearly a year ago. Pakistan is a deeply mediocre T20I team and its ranking is the greatest work of fiction since Lord of the Rings. If Pakistan were to join the IPL as the 9th franchise, it will get whooped provided that the other franchises are at full-strength.

Thanks for the quick response.

Funny how you casually missed Malinga, who was probably one of the best bowlers in the IPL back in 2014. He probably still is the leading wicket-taker ever.

Also, missing one big player does not make their side a weak side. If any side (in the world) relies so heavily on one player it isn't a good side to begin with. The team that played in the CLT20 was by-in-large the same team that played the IPL that year. Lahore Lions had zero overseas stars. It was back then and still is a major achievement when you compare the two sides from 2014. And how one was from the biggest T20 league in the world, while the other was from freaking Faysal Bank T20