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Can Virat Kohli be the greatest ODI batter even without a stellar World Cup performance?

No
1.He has to win IPL.

2.He has to perform in big stage, big stage means only icc odi wc knock out. T20's won't consider.

3.He has to win icc tournament.

No matter what he achieved so far.
No matter his captaincy achievements.

He need to tick all the above 3 points.
That's it.
 
Relic said:
What's the point of these JAMODI hundreds when he can't even score one in a World Cup Knockout match?
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So stop playing all other ODI games (including WC group games) except for WC knockouts.
 
He is a ODI great already by sheer number of centuries and high average. He is still behind Viv and Sachin.
 
If you guys were old enough to see king Viv play, you wouldn't make such silly threads.
When Viv came out to bat in his burgundy cap and shirt unbuttoned to his chest, arrograntly walking to the crease, all the opposition players would start shaking in their boots, especially the bowlers and the opposition fans would start praying!
 
Yes he is already the greatest 50 over player ever! its only test where there have been better players.
 
jeetu said:
He is a ODI great already by sheer number of centuries and high average. He is still behind Viv and Sachin.
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He is not behind anyone - he is better than Sachin in ODI and ViV. Sachin in my opinion was better test player. And now we have likes of Smith who decide to average 65 in test crazy! but ODI definitely no one better than Kholi.
 
Virat Kohli is quickly catching up on Ricky Ponting and Sachin Tendulkar in the list of most match-winning centuries by batsmen in international cricket.
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One could become a great or greatest batsman without world cup success (read Lara) but the problem is one can't be called one with world cup failures. Kohli's failures in knockout games in world cup and champions trophy means he can't become great unless he corrects that record.
 
BCCI on Wednesday took to Twitter and Instagram to wish India captain Virat Kohli on the 13th anniversary of his international debut. Exactly 13 years ago on August 18, 2008, Kohli made his India debut in an ODI against Sri Lanka in Dambulla.

Describing Kohli as one of the finest cricketers going around, BCCI wrote: "#OnThisDay in 2008, @imVkohli made his debut in international cricket.13 years later, with 438 international matches & 22937 runs under his belt, the #TeamIndia captain remains one of the finest cricketers going around."

The right-hander from Delhi was given his India cap after he successfully led India to the U19 World Cup earlier in 2008. Kohli, who opened in all five matches in that Sri Lanka series, did not set the stage on fire but he contributed in almost every match and also scored his maiden fifty in the fourth ODI in Colombo.

Kohli, however, was dropped for the next few series. He made a comeback in the tri-series in Sri Lanka next year involving New Zealand. Kohli made his first big contribution for India in the Champions Trophy match against West Indies later in 2009. His unbeaten 79 gave India an easy win.

However, the innings that really gave flight to Kohli’s career, was his 107 against Sri Lanka in Kolkata while chasing a stiff target. The right-hander did not look back and continued to dish out noteworthy performances in white-ball cricket consistently.

Kohli made his Test debut in the 2011 tour of West Indies and came to his own when he slammed a fighting ton against Australia in Adelaide in 2012.

Kohli was given charge to lead India after MS Dhoni retired from Test cricket in the middle of the Australia tour in 2014-15. He then took over as the India captain in all three formats after Dhoni stood down in 2017.

Kohli is currently regarded as one of the best batsmen across formats. The India captain has close to 23 thousand international runs. In 94 Test, he has 7609 runs at an average of 51.41. He has 27 Test tons to his name in red-ball cricket.

In white-ball cricket, he has a far superior record. In 254 ODIs, he has 12169 runs at an average of 59.07 and a strike rate of 93.17. His 43 hundreds are the most by any current player in ODI cricket. He is only 8 behind the great Sachin Tendulkar’s all-time record of 51 tons in ODIs.

Kohli has 3159 runs in 90 T20Is at an average of 52.65.

The most successful Indian Test captain, however, has not been at his best in 2021. He is still searching for a big score in the current England series to put an end to a close to two-year-old drought of a century in international cricket.

Kohli will have his chance when India take on England in the third Test at Headingley on August 25.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...y-of-international-debut-101629266727994.html
 
I may be in the minority but I think yes he can...and personally I think he is the greatest ever LOI batsman. His only competition imo would be Ponting but the Aussie's longevity at the top can not compare to Kohli's.
 
Kohli is behind Ponting in ODI regardless of what stats show. :inti

Kohli is more of a bilateral and group stage bully.

Ponting is a knockout specialist. Just look at his innings in the 2003 WC final.

Again, I am talking about ODI format only. Not T20.
 
Kohli is the best white-ball batsman of all-time hands down.

While some others have a claim to being the greatest ODI batsman of all-time, IMO Kohli is the greatest ODI batsman of all-time too. Even if he fails to win the World Cup in 2027.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Kohli is the best white-ball batsman of all-time hands down.

While some others have a claim to being the greatest ODI batsman of all-time, IMO Kohli is the greatest ODI batsman of all-time too. Even if he fails to win the World Cup in 2027.
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you cant compare eras - rules have changed far too much,

also kohli has failed big time when he has played on bowling friendly pitches - he averages in the 20's on them = thes epitches have been comparable to early 200's wickets
 
finalfantasy7 said:
you cant compare eras - rules have changed far too much,

also kohli has failed big time when he has played on bowling friendly pitches - he averages in the 20's on them = thes epitches have been comparable to early 200's wickets
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The ODI format has never seen a batsman like him when it comes to soaking up pressure, fitness, strike rotation, and delivering in big run-chases. There are so many records he has broken... metrics in which he shines, that you spend all day just listing them. And when it comes to impact and delivering those mega knocks at big moments in big matches, he has a truly supreme body of work. He has had his failures, but that's only natural because he's human. The biggest failure of his career is probably the 2023 World Cup final. But even in that tournament he broke the record for the most runs by a batsman in a single edition of a World Cup. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don't think there has ever been a better ODI batsman than him.

Not sure what you are referring to when you say that he has failed 'big time' on bowling friendly pitches. What exactly are the parameters for judging a bowling friendly pitch? Also, I would like to see the numbers you are quoting here where you say he 'averages in the 20's on them.'
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The ODI format has never seen a batsman like him when it comes to soaking up pressure, fitness, strike rotation, and delivering in big run-chases. There are so many records he has broken... metrics in which he shines, that you spend all day just listing them. And when it comes to impact and delivering those mega knocks at big moments in big matches, he has a truly supreme body of work. He has had his failures, but that's only natural because he's human. The biggest failure of his career is probably the 2023 World Cup final. But even in that tournament he broke the record for the most runs by a batsman in a single edition of a World Cup. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don't think there has ever been a better ODI batsman than him.

Not sure what you are referring to when you say that he has failed 'big time' on bowling friendly pitches. What exactly are the parameters for judging a bowling friendly pitch? Also, I would like to see the numbers you are quoting here where you say he 'averages in the 20's on them.'
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Kholi is one of the biggest statpadders in ODIs. His innings in WC 2023 F epitomises Kholi's ODI career. Impressive overall number but a useless and imapactless innings much like his innings vs NZ yesterday. He has won only 1 WC where he did nothing of note so it was all on his teammates. The cupboard his bare in terms of ODI silverware for him otherwise. His 2 CTs in 2013 and 2025 were both won without any meaningful performances from him, his stat padding vs Aus D in 2025 aside.
 
WC 2015 SF
WC 2019 SF
2017 CT F
2023 WC F

Define Kholi's ODI career. Chokli for a reason. Out of his 54 ODI tons, 44 have come in Asia, Zimbabwe and West Indies LOL!
 
Shandarchowka said:
But he was helped by Pakistani fielders and DRS as well know. Should have been out 6 times for 80 runs lol.. even Indians know that is the worst tendulkar innings only 2nd to his 100th 100 against Bangla bros :ma
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He wasn’t out, that’s the official version and Pakistanis cannot change that
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
WC is a very important yardstick for a GOAT.

I would love Kohli to become the GOAT but I would wait for him to earn it.

I feel he hasn't earned it yet.

PP is always like this. When you perform, they will overhype you. Just wait for Kohli to fail in a crucial WC fixture and the opinions will change 180 degrees.
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So munaf patel is better than waqar younis?
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Kholi is one of the biggest statpadders in ODIs. His innings in WC 2023 F epitomises Kholi's ODI career. Impressive overall number but a useless and imapactless innings much like his innings vs NZ yesterday. He has won only 1 WC where he did nothing of note so it was all on his teammates. The cupboard his bare in terms of ODI silverware for him otherwise. His 2 CTs in 2013 and 2025 were both won without any meaningful performances from him, his stat padding vs Aus D in 2025 aside.
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Kohli played a match-winning innings in the 2025 CT semi-final against Australia
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The ODI format has never seen a batsman like him when it comes to soaking up pressure, fitness, strike rotation, and delivering in big run-chases. There are so many records he has broken... metrics in which he shines, that you spend all day just listing them. And when it comes to impact and delivering those mega knocks at big moments in big matches, he has a truly supreme body of work. He has had his failures, but that's only natural because he's human. The biggest failure of his career is probably the 2023 World Cup final. But even in that tournament he broke the record for the most runs by a batsman in a single edition of a World Cup. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don't think there has ever been a better ODI batsman than him.

Not sure what you are referring to when you say that he has failed 'big time' on bowling friendly pitches. What exactly are the parameters for judging a bowling friendly pitch? Also, I would like to see the numbers you are quoting here where you say he 'averages in the 20's on them.'
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your writing like a indian = honestly no on cares

what are you on about fitness = hes a stick insect, compare a 165lbs boxer to him and then talk about fitness, no cricketer has fitness - not even c.gayle

strike rotation - ab devilliers - had a better strike rotation, yet played on harder tracks

Big run chases - yes he has performed, so has ab devilliers, however you still couldnt say hes played on many difficult pitches - you know as much as me - hes struggled badly when we have seen him bat on a late (comparable) 1990-early 2003 pitches.


However every ex cricketr says this and its the same logic in every sport you can't compare era's - far too much change.

Yes hes up thr with being one of the best, tbf his nearest compettion in his era was ab - imo ab only had amla who just played singles or 2's, ab strike rate and average is more impressive imo and this even includes ab knocks in ipl when they played for the same team = ab averaged higher and had a far better strike rate.

However enjoy cricket.
 
finalfantasy7 said:
your writing like a indian = honestly no on cares

what are you on about fitness = hes a stick insect, compare a 165lbs boxer to him and then talk about fitness, no cricketer has fitness - not even c.gayle

strike rotation - ab devilliers - had a better strike rotation, yet played on harder tracks

Big run chases - yes he has performed, so has ab devilliers, however you still couldnt say hes played on many difficult pitches - you know as much as me - hes struggled badly when we have seen him bat on a late (comparable) 1990-early 2003 pitches.


However every ex cricketr says this and its the same logic in every sport you can't compare era's - far too much change.

Yes hes up thr with being one of the best, tbf his nearest compettion in his era was ab - imo ab only had amla who just played singles or 2's, ab strike rate and average is more impressive imo and this even includes ab knocks in ipl when they played for the same team = ab averaged higher and had a far better strike rate.

However enjoy cricket.
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I was just thinking this...he is just trash talking Pakistani players in another thread and bigging up statpadder Kholi here.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I was just thinking this...he is just trash talking Pakistani players in another thread and bigging up statpadder Kholi here.
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typical weird keyboard fake warrior indian, he think he gets a reward for saying positive comments about kohli - ppl need to grow up
 
finalfantasy7 said:
your writing like a indian = honestly no on cares

what are you on about fitness = hes a stick insect, compare a 165lbs boxer to him and then talk about fitness, no cricketer has fitness - not even c.gayle

strike rotation - ab devilliers - had a better strike rotation, yet played on harder tracks

Big run chases - yes he has performed, so has ab devilliers, however you still couldnt say hes played on many difficult pitches - you know as much as me - hes struggled badly when we have seen him bat on a late (comparable) 1990-early 2003 pitches.


However every ex cricketr says this and its the same logic in every sport you can't compare era's - far too much change.

Yes hes up thr with being one of the best, tbf his nearest compettion in his era was ab - imo ab only had amla who just played singles or 2's, ab strike rate and average is more impressive imo and this even includes ab knocks in ipl when they played for the same team = ab averaged higher and had a far better strike rate.

However enjoy cricket.
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You know you've run into a coward when they start the post by personally attacking you.

In you entire post you have quoted zero stats, zero numbers or really any statistical evidence to back your assertion that Kohli struggles on bowling friendly pitches, or that fictitious average of "in the 20s on bowling pitches" you came up with out of your rearend.

But I'm not going to bother addressing any of the drivel you come up with here because they are just a bunch of opinions. And those too of someone who doesn't understand cricket particularly well, and is probably just jealous that his own country hasn't been able to produce someone who is half the player that Kohli is in decades.
 
I think Kohli knows that when his legacy is discussed, he needs a trademark WC win, only reason I feel he is continuing in a format many consider obsolete. So I think he may even continue beyond the next WC if India don’t win it.

He’s no doubt a great in ODI’s and the best of his era, but I wont be putting him on the wavelength of other greats who had a much higher impact in tournament cricket. But if he helps India win the WC & have an impactful tournament in the KO stages then he deserves to be in the same bracket of the best to ever do it in the format.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I am not convinced you don't read. Read the last line of the post you quoted.
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If you think that Kohli is a statpadder then you have to be one of the biggest morons following cricket out there. Just the amount of knocks that Kohli has played in high-pressure run-chases outnumbers the amount of match-winning knocks most people have played in their entire careers. Maybe you started following cricket in the past few years which is why you can only look up ICC tournaments on Wikipedia but there are plenty of great Kohli knocks that I witnessed personally like his century chasing 320 odd in less than 40 overs against a peak-Malinga-led Sri Lankan attack. There was the 183 in the Asia Cup against one of Pakistan's all-time best white-ball spin attacks featuring Ajmal, Afridi, Hafeez. He scored a century against New Zealand in the 2023 World Cup final... a tournament in which he broke the record for the most runs by a batsman in a single edition.

I'm actually surprised whenever I see a Pakistani fan bring down Kohli because it's like if there was any fan of a particular country tha would accept Kohli's greatness it would be Pakistani fans, because he has pratically made a career out of owning Pakistani bowlers wherever or whenever he has played them.
 
finalfantasy7 said:
typical weird keyboard fake warrior indian, he think he gets a reward for saying positive comments about kohli - ppl need to grow up
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Sadly you get no rewards for watching Kohli own Pakistani bowlers, year after year, ICC tournament after ICC tournament. I get it though. You need to cope in some way.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Sadly you get no rewards for watching Kohli own Pakistani bowlers, year after year, ICC tournament after ICC tournament. I get it though. You need to cope in some way.
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if thats what you believe, then you can believe that

why donnt you look at ab stats v kohli
 
Why is this even a discussion?

Kohli scored 765 runs in a World Cup where no one got 600 runs. Now unless those 765 runs came at a strike rate of 80 or below, there is really no question of whether he dominated the World Cup or not. Winning is a team sport and not individual game.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Kholi is one of the biggest statpadders in ODIs. His innings in WC 2023 F epitomises Kholi's ODI career. Impressive overall number but a useless and imapactless innings much like his innings vs NZ yesterday. He has won only 1 WC where he did nothing of note so it was all on his teammates. The cupboard his bare in terms of ODI silverware for him otherwise. His 2 CTs in 2013 and 2025 were both won without any meaningful performances from him, his stat padding vs Aus D in 2025 aside.
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Coming from a Babar and Rizwan fan .
:yk
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Kholi is one of the biggest statpadders in ODIs. His innings in WC 2023 F epitomises Kholi's ODI career. Impressive overall number but a useless and imapactless innings much like his innings vs NZ yesterday. He has won only 1 WC where he did nothing of note so it was all on his teammates. The cupboard his bare in terms of ODI silverware for him otherwise. His 2 CTs in 2013 and 2025 were both won without any meaningful performances from him, his stat padding vs Aus D in 2025 aside.
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I just read that “Ct 2025 and CT 13 were won without any contribution from Kohli”.

:yk


He literally won the POTM in semifinals of 25 and was the highest scorer in both ct 13 semis and finals.
 
I dont know about if he is the greatest ODI batsman knockin around with or without a Stellar WC performance - the basic thrust of this thread.

But from seeing the CT 2025 and from Pak fans reactions - their love for VK is genuine, their admiration is real, their praise is the real thing.

And from watching the current ongoing U-19 WC, several Bangladesh U-19 players called VK their fav and cover drive as their fav shot.

Dude has defo influenced and inspired a lot of young guys especially in the indian subcontinent to pick up the bat/chase the sport we love and cherish.

As a pure player, imho he is defo up there among the greatest ODI players to have ever played.

Just cherishing the last remnants, the few last times we get to see him, ultimately he will also be gone from this stage.
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
I dont know about if he is the greatest ODI batsman knockin around with or without a Stellar WC performance - the basic thrust of this thread.

But from seeing the CT 2025 and from Pak fans reactions - their love for VK is genuine, their admiration is real, their praise is the real thing.

And from watching the current ongoing U-19 WC, several Bangladesh U-19 players called VK their fav and cover drive as their fav shot.

Dude has defo influenced and inspired a lot of young guys especially in the indian subcontinent to pick up the bat/chase the sport we love and cherish.

As a pure player, imho he is defo up there among the greatest ODI players to have ever played.

Just cherishing the last remnants, the few last times we get to see him, ultimately he will also be gone from this stage.
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Rightly or wrongly being quite honest and without intending to offend Pakistani fans would usually look down at Indian players even the high rated ones like Sachin. Dravid was respected a lot because of his gentleman ways but nobody looked at Indian players and thought I want to be like them. Even when they did well then perception was still we are superior and the respect was more brotherly than any sort of fandom or heroism.

In India I believe it was opposite for a while you guys obsessed over Imran and Wasim in particular, even Shoaib to an age extent.

Dhoni and then Kohli was where the situation flipped from a Pakistani pov and it was like woah, these guys have something we don't. I think those two are the highest rated Indian players.

And even though Kohli has bashed Pakistan like no other. Lots of youngsters like him for his cricket but also his lifestyle, fitness, and all the other non cricketing stuff.

I think he's the most influential Indian cricketer ever, and of course he has the ATG performances to back it up too.
 
cricketjoshila said:
So munaf patel is better than waqar younis?
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What’s with the dumb posts lately?

You know very well that when we judge the greatest ever vs others of a similar calibre, then things like WC wins and impact in the KO stages matters because it’s an important yardstick because there are differences between era’s. Is Waqar a great - yes, is he the greatest ever say compared against Wasim Akram? Probably no.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Rightly or wrongly being quite honest and without intending to offend Pakistani fans would usually look down at Indian players even the high rated ones like Sachin. Dravid was respected a lot because of his gentleman ways but nobody looked at Indian players and thought I want to be like them. Even when they did well then perception was still we are superior and the respect was more brotherly than any sort of fandom or heroism.

In India I believe it was opposite for a while you guys obsessed over Imran and Wasim in particular, even Shoaib to an age extent.

Dhoni and then Kohli was where the situation flipped from a Pakistani pov and it was like woah, these guys have something we don't. I think those two are the highest rated Indian players.

And even though Kohli has bashed Pakistan like no other. Lots of youngsters like him for his cricket but also his lifestyle, fitness, and all the other non cricketing stuff.

I think he's the most influential Indian cricketer ever, and of course he has the ATG performances to back it up too.
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How did Pakistani fans rate Sehwag?
 
Varun said:
How did Pakistani fans rate Sehwag?
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Higher than Sachin less than Kohli.

Don't think he had that superstar aura off field that Wasim Imran Shoaib, Dhoni, Kohli etc had though. Seemed a bit farmerish.
 
finalfantasy7 said:
typical weird keyboard fake warrior indian, he think he gets a reward for saying positive comments about kohli - ppl need to grow up
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Saying Kohli is a statpadder and @RedwoodOriginal is Indian shows you’ve got no clue about cricket or pp 🤣

Go back to your day job of spamming tp section with anti-India content 😆
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Rightly or wrongly being quite honest and without intending to offend Pakistani fans would usually look down at Indian players even the high rated ones like Sachin. Dravid was respected a lot because of his gentleman ways but nobody looked at Indian players and thought I want to be like them. Even when they did well then perception was still we are superior and the respect was more brotherly than any sort of fandom or heroism.

In India I believe it was opposite for a while you guys obsessed over Imran and Wasim in particular, even Shoaib to an age extent.

Dhoni and then Kohli was where the situation flipped from a Pakistani pov and it was like woah, these guys have something we don't. I think those two are the highest rated Indian players.

And even though Kohli has bashed Pakistan like no other. Lots of youngsters like him for his cricket but also his lifestyle, fitness, and all the other non cricketing stuff.

I think he's the most influential Indian cricketer ever, and of course he has the ATG performances to back it up too.
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Yes, i can vouch for the highlighted part.

We had a magazine called 'The SportsStar' in those days.

My and my bro lived in a hostel for a part of our life and our rooms as well as several other guys rooms were plastered with the centrefold as well as other cutouts from this magazine - IK, Wasim, Waqar and later Shoaib dominated the walls.

We started getting live telecast of Pak games and whenever the 2 W's were on, me and my bro's did'nt miss anything, neither did the rest of our hostel mates. I remember even waking up at some undshund hour and watching a Pak test from NZ, defending a very low score - W & W cleanup NZ in a test match and also in that same tour win an ODI from an unwinnable position. Our hostel rector recognized majid Khan who was the pak manager or coach or something similar - sitting in the pak dugout and said he remembered meeting MK sometime in the 70's or 80's in one of the pak tour to india.

There were uncountable number of times we wished these guys were playing for us.

Eveen Saeed Anwar had a massive following with us, lots of our guys used to rave over his batting - try out his leg side wristy pickup shot when we played!
 
King_Kohli said:
Win% with 100's

Ponting: 77%

Virat: 68.5%

Sachin: 53%
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Cricket is team game, if other batsmen in team are good batters then there is high probability of winning the match. In these circumstances, potting was lucky, he was having good batters in team.... Virat is also having good batsmen in team, but sometimes they failed, in last ODi against NZ as he was running out of partners.

In machines era other batters were not good as today, there was more probability of loosing match after Sachin's wicket
 
Kohli’s tournament finals stats are pathetic - 209 runs in 10 innings at an average of 23.22
 
Van_Sri said:
Kohli’s tournament finals stats are pathetic - 209 runs in 10 innings at an average of 23.22
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35 runs in wc 11 final, a solid innings by a newbie.

Highest score in 13 ct final

Highest score in 14 t20 final

Ct final 17- failed

2023 final - highest score from Indian side

T20 wc 2024 final- man of the match

Ct final 25 - failed.

Not too shabby, is it?
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
35 runs in wc 11 final, a solid innings by a newbie.

Highest score in 13 ct final

Highest score in 14 t20 final

Ct final 17- failed

2023 final - highest score from Indian side

T20 wc 2024 final- man of the match

Ct final 25 - failed.

Not too shabby, is it?
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He never denied any of the numbers you posted. He merely posted Kohli's numbers in tournament finals.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I just read that “Ct 2025 and CT 13 were won without any contribution from Kohli”.

:yk


He literally won the POTM in semifinals of 25 and was the highest scorer in both ct 13 semis and finals.
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Read properly. Read the last line of my post before responding and doing bhangra.
 
Hitman said:
He spoke about tournament finals.

Regardless, in my books he is the greatest ODI batsman ever, ahead of both Viv and Sachin.​
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Yes he showed that in WC 2023F, 2017 CTF and WC 2015 SF and WC 2019 SF. Fake king of Chase couldn't buy a run.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Read properly. Read the last line of my post before responding and doing bhangra.
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Firse read kar jaake.

Was our highest scorer in both Ct13 final and semifinal and punched your bowlers up and down in the group stage of ct23 ensuring a humiliating end to your campaign. You hosted an icc tournament after decades only to be kicked out by him in group stage.

Insignificant is what the fake king was in ct17.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Firse read kar jaake.

Was our highest scorer in both Ct13 final and semifinal and punched your bowlers up and down in the group stage of ct23 ensuring a humiliating end to your campaign. You hosted an icc tournament after decades only to be kicked out by him in group stage.

Insignificant is what the fake king was in ct17.
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There was no CT in 2023. Only thing that happened in 2023 was Chokli choking again.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
35 runs in wc 11 final, a solid innings by a newbie.

Highest score in 13 ct final

Highest score in 14 t20 final

Ct final 17- failed

2023 final - highest score from Indian side

T20 wc 2024 final- man of the match

Ct final 25 - failed.

Not too shabby, is it?
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As a fan you like to defend him but being the greatest ODI player he should have did extremely well in atleast one major final
 
Obaidd said:
Saying Kohli is a statpadder and @RedwoodOriginal is Indian shows you’ve got no clue about cricket or pp 🤣

Go back to your day job of spamming tp section with anti-India content 😆
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what are you on about, you cry baby, look at his record in th same yrs as AB deviliers, even in t20 in ipl - even when they wre playing for the same team in ipl = AB was a good step ahead


if you dont believe then prove it
 
I don't think Kohli is the greatest ODI batter.

Ponting and Viv Richards were better than him.

Quality over quantity.
 
BouncerGuy said:
No bro... Kohli in ODIs is a beast... I will not put ponting over him in ODIs..
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Kohli is a bilateral/group stage/Asia Cup bully when it comes to ODI.

He has never scored a meaningful knock in an ODI knockout. He did that in T20 but not ODI.

Ponting scored an ATG knock in the 2003 WC final.
 
sweep_shot said:
Kohli is a bilateral/group stage/Asia Cup bully when it comes to ODI.

He has never scored a meaningful knock in an ODI knockout. He did that in T20 but not ODI.

Ponting scored an ATG knock in the 2003 WC final.
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Cannot be putting batters ahead of each other based on 1 knock...
 
Kohli scored 49.48 runs per innings, Ponting scored 37.54 runs per innings and Richards scored 40.24 runs per innings.
 
Van_Sri said:
Kohli scored 49.48 runs per innings, Ponting scored 37.54 runs per innings and Richards scored 40.24 runs per innings.
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Ponting and Viv didn't have the luxury to face too many trundlers. They faced far more lethal bowlers.

Also, batting was very easy during Kohli's time. Two new balls. Shorter boundaries. DRS. Many perks for batters.

Average of 40 in the 80's/90's would be equal to average of 50 in today's time. I call this "runflation". :inti
 
sweep_shot said:
Ponting and Viv didn't have the luxury to face too many trundlers. They faced far more lethal bowlers.

Also, batting was very easy during Kohli's time. Two new balls. Shorter boundaries. DRS. Many perks for batters.

Average of 40 in the 80's/90's would be equal to average of 50 in today's time. I call this "runflation". :inti
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but even kohli's contemporaries don't match his runs per innings record
 
Van_Sri said:
As a fan you like to defend him but being the greatest ODI player he should have did extremely well in atleast one major final
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Tendulkar is rated as his equal but
I have seen Tendulkar in Odi world cup and ct finals too and his record is worse.

So its not about me being a fan, his record in knockouts is actually pretty good.
 
sweep_shot said:
Ponting and Viv didn't have the luxury to face too many trundlers. They faced far more lethal bowlers.

Also, batting was very easy during Kohli's time. Two new balls. Shorter boundaries. DRS. Many perks for batters.

Average of 40 in the 80's/90's would be equal to average of 50 in today's time. I call this "runflation". :inti
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If Viv was playing during Kohli's era, he could've averaged 100 in my opinion. He could've feasted on smaller boundaries, 2 new balls etc.

Remember Viv was batting without helmet in the 1980's. He still averaged 47 in ODI. 47 average during those days is like 60 in today's time.

I would like to see Virat try batting with no helmet on. LOL.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Tendulkar is rated as his equal but
I have seen Tendulkar in Odi world cup and ct finals too and his record is worse.

So its not about me being a fan, his record in knockouts is actually pretty good.
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No match winning innings in odi icc finals i mean
 
Kohli did a good job in 2023 World Cup by scoring 117 vs NZ and 54 vs AUS - Average of 85.5 but it was not enough.
 
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