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Can we win against England and how do we stop them?

Of course we can, and inshaAllah will, win against England.
But we need our best bowling attack:
Amir
Junaid
Hasan Ali
Shuttup
And Imad
Drop Hafeez and play Faheem
Bring it on!!
 
Whilst England are favourites, Pakistan's chances depend entirely on team selection.
 
Lol nope not a chance. Happy (and surprised) enough that we reached the semis with this team.
 
In cricket a new day can bring a new surprise.
Amir might take 5 like Rabada destroyed england recently.
Zaman might score 100 of 70.
England might not score 300 but 400 though :))) since it is a new day
 
Unlikely. Only chance is Pak batting first and getting to 250. Then hoping Eng have a bad day.
 
We have to give ourselves a chance by playing our strongest XI, which doesn't include Hafeez, and bat Sarfraz at 4. This alone would make a world of difference. If this doesn't happen, then we've got no chance. Harris in place of Hafeez, and one might be tempted to drop Azhar and play Shadab, while asking Babar to open the innings. The only way our batting might come off good on that day.

1) Fakhar
2) Babar
3) Harris
4) Sarfraz
5) Malik
6) Imad
7) Fahim
8) Shadab
9) Amir (Ideally I would have Rumman in his place but we're too deep in the tournament to make that sort of a change, plus his batting helped us to win the match against SL)
10) Hassan
11) Junaid
 
TalhaSyed said:
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] [MENTION=100918]Square Drive[/MENTION]

Do you guys know what this thread needs?

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Indeed... except the title itself is wrong!

The correct title should be: "Can England win against us, and how do they possibly stop us???" :akhtar

Coz the way I see it we only here to win and we're unstoppable!! :junaid :pakflag2 :pkflag
 
Macho Mann said:
england team is not formidable, they are just as vulnerable as any team, gone were the days when teams used to be vulnerable, but against pakistan without any decent batsmen, their chances are higher
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You didn't read my post did you chief?
 
Lets all play good cricket with a positive intent.
The team should be:

Azhar Ali- As seen today, he might save us from a complete collapse by saving his wicket. Not that I am a fan of him.
Fakhar - A good striker of the bowl and can give us a good start.
Babar- Going through a rough patch and should be asked to play his natural game.
Hafeez- Mickey should sit him down with a cup of chai and have a talk with him. He needs to be sensible.
Shoaib Malik-A Solid middle order batsman and can shine on his day.
Harris Sohail- Should replace Imad as his batting skills are too good for a simple tournament like this.
Sarfaraz - Honesltly, would like him come up the order but its highly unlikely.
Faheem Ashraf- Seemed like a solid hitter of the ball and also played some good cricketing shots. We are yet to see him.
Amir- We all know why!
Hassan- Amazing bowler with exceptional skills, mainly uses his brain!
Junaid khan- Can take wickets and overall a good bowler.
 
i thought we played against in england in cardiff like in 2016.

does anyone remember what happened in that match? anyone?
 
We can and we will. Eng has had 3 easy games while we had to fight till the end.

Drop azhar bring in shadab and attack and attack and attack with the bowl. We have the fire power to take 10 Eng wickets cause we need to bowl m out.

Bat first score 275. Game on.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Bat first get 280+.

If we bowl first England will get 300 = game over.
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Pretty much this.
Get a score and defend it like dogs

Babar needs to come good and we can score 300.
We should play the same top 6. If hafeez and Azhar dont get it done then thats it careers over.
 
TalhaSyed said:
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] [MENTION=100918]Square Drive[/MENTION]

Do you guys know what this thread needs?

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People lost hope and turned their TVs off today! Posters stopped posting, everyone was ready to move on. Everyone except for the 5 of us, The Spirit Squad! The Squad kept believing! We put the Passion in PakPassion damnit! Of course we can stop England, just gotta believe and stay positive. [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]


:pkflag :pkflag
 
Wont be easy let me tell you, would be a hell of a fight because we are never clinical in our approach.
If Pakistan restricts ENG to 240 ODD and some how our batting doesn't collapse there's a chance, otherwise anything different we have 0.1 % chance of winning. My money is 99.99% on inglestan, if we have a bad day expect 350+ target because stokes is in form of his life and morgan is consistent in this tournament.

I dont expect Roy to score, junaid can send Alex back to pavilion and only issue is the depth of their batting lineup .
 
Varun said:
I remember similar sentiments just a week ago.

"Do you honestly think we can win against South Africa?"
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Exactly!

Pakistan vs India CT Final was destined to be it will happen. Pakistan will find a way to beat England.
 
England r known for choking. If we bat first and get 300+ I back us with our bowling to beat England
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Bat first get 280+.

If we bowl first England will get 300 = game over.
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Pretty much this.
Get a score and defend it like dogs

Babar needs to come good and we can score 300.
We should play the same top 6. If hafeez and Azhar dont get it done then thats it careers over.
 
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] mubarak guys! we all ways had faith, I've said over the last few days and you can quote some old posts that the lanka game would be our toughest! I actually have no fear of England
 
Tournament ends for England on 14th June. You heard it hear first folks.


:salute
 
Roy will find his form back against us. We have a tendency of bringing out of form batsmen back into form.
 
Its Method vs Madness again.

Today madness beat method.

Would method prevail the next time or will the madness of the Mercurial take them over the line?

Odds are stacked against madness. They say lightening doesnt strike twice, madness doesnt beat method twice in a row on a normal day.

But what's there to stop the mad from hoping? Hope. Hope to come from behind and shock the world. Hope to keep fighting with backs against the wall. The mad are driven by hope. Hope is delusion but then again, hope is powerful.
 
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Madplayer said:
Its Method vs Madness again.

Today madness beat method.

Would method prevail the next time or will the madness of the Mercurial take them over the line?

Odds are stacked against madness. They say lightening doesnt strike twice, madness doesnt beat method twice in a row on a normal day.

But what's there to stop the mad from hoping? Hope. Hope to come from behind and shock the world. Hope to keep fighting with backs against the wall. The mad are driven by hope. Hope is delusion but then again, hope is powerful.
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Good post.But Sri Lanka didn't display any method today.
 
t_kaay said:
Just on the train on the way back from the game. What an atmosphere and what drama. We bowled really well and I feel we have actually got a chance against England. Their style of attacking batting might suit us as once we get the ball to deviate after first 10 to 15 overs we will take wickets. They haven't faced our calibre of bowling yet. We need to bowl first and restrict them to 250 and batsmen will come good. I have faith. What a game today though. Fantastic crowd and hearts in our mouth. That's what makes supporting Pakistan so good though.
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Australia's pace attack is far better and had England pinned on 30 odd for 3 but still won with ease.
 
yasir said:
England will make sure there is no dryness in the wicket, no spin, no reverse for us...

Today was freshly prepared pitch, what pitch will be used on Wednesday??
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Well if its the same pitch they're using there will be a bit of dryness and wear for our spinners to exploit.
 
Mamoon said:
Bat first, score 300, get Root, Hales and Morgan cheaply. The likes of Stokes, Moeen, Buttler etc. may not be able to bail them out under pressure. Try to tie them down against spin.
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LOL

England bat all the way down to No.9

No way are they gonna get bowled out. If they play 50 overs they will chase any target we set them.

Best scenario for us is to bowl first and give Amir, Junaid and Hasan full use of the conditions. This trio should get Root and Hales quickly to stem run rate and use Shadab, Hafeez and Imad effectively to tie them down and get Moeen, Stokes and Buttler out by spin. Then hope our batsmen can chase 250-ish.

India vs Pakistan final looks very possible all of a sudden.
 
Problem is one of England's beasts always gets you.

Roy is overdue and Morgan is in brilliant touch.
 
Napa said:
Of course, like all rational Indians, I will be rooting for a Pakistani victory.
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:D

The law of average has to come up for Pak v India in a big game sooner or later.

Eng 95% likely to win, Pak 5%.

India 60 %, Bangladesh 40%
 
member250 said:
Bowl first, restrict england to 280. Pray for bit of rain so game reduced to 25 overs and target of 150. :misbah3
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HAHAHAHA. I think the final revised target for 25 overs in this case would be a bit more than 150..something like 170 or 180 but yes that is our best chance.
P.S: Also pray that it does not rain after that, because if match washes out, we're going home :uak
 
I will be rooting for Pakistan to beat England. Our chances of winning this cup will be over 75% if we meet Pak rather than Eng in finals.
 
thehub said:
I will be rooting for Pakistan to beat England. Our chances of winning this cup will be over 75% if we meet Pak rather than Eng in finals.
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If you meet Pak in the final it won't be the passenger-carrying, intimidated Pakistan you met in the group stage. It would be a fit and firing Pakistan with the best bowling attack in the world and a few batsmen who could hurt India. I wont be ao confident if I were Indian.
 
Syed1 said:
If you meet Pak in the final it won't be the passenger-carrying, intimidated Pakistan you met in the group stage. It would be a fit and firing Pakistan with the best bowling attack in the world and a few batsmen who could hurt India. I wont be ao confident if I were Indian.
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Please. India would beat Pak with their U-19 side.
 
If there are swing/seam bowling conditions and Pakistan bowl first, then I think they can win.

Otherwise, it looks difficult, but you never know. I certainly believe that Pakistan can win.

No matter the result, I hope Pakistan puts up a great fight and the match is competitive.
 
Syed1 said:
If you meet Pak in the final it won't be the passenger-carrying, intimidated Pakistan you met in the group stage. It would be a fit and firing Pakistan with the best bowling attack in the world and a few batsmen who could hurt India. I wont be ao confident if I were Indian.
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right :P
 
England batting first shouldn't score more than 240, batting second if they have to chase 260, they will fumble for sure.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
LOL

England bat all the way down to No.9

No way are they gonna get bowled out. If they play 50 overs they will chase any target we set them.

Best scenario for us is to bowl first and give Amir, Junaid and Hasan full use of the conditions. This trio should get Root and Hales quickly to stem run rate and use Shadab, Hafeez and Imad effectively to tie them down and get Moeen, Stokes and Buttler out by spin. Then hope our batsmen can chase 250-ish.

India vs Pakistan final looks very possible all of a sudden.
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We will not chase anything above 200. We are renowned chokers, and we are not dismissing England for any less than 300. Unless the English players play the worst game of their lives, there is no way we can win by bowling first.
 
Syed1 said:
You Bangalis should worry about yourself first.


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I wasn't even taking a dig, just being honest. India completely owns Pak in ICC events. It is beyond sad and funny. It is pitiful.

We are worried about ourselves but we have a much better chance of beating India than you have AND more chance of making the finals.
 
Mamoon said:
Highly unlikely, but they are not invincible and ruthless. I would rather face England in a knockout match rather than Australia or India. Having said that, it will be nothing short of a miracle if we can somehow scrape through.
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Call him cynical, call him pessimistic. But the man talks sense.


England's all-in batting strategy can go pear-shaped every once in a while, especially against good bowling. They just recently did that against SA in their home series. That's where Pakistan's chance lies. Problem is, that even a woeful sub-par batting performance may put the target beyond the reach of Pakistan's shambolic batsmen. England bowling is not great, but I think they are good enough to defend 240+ against Pakistan. On a flat track, that's asking too much from Pakistan bowlers.

Good luck though, I wouldn't mind if the pommies lost to Pakistan. Even though I do want India to be tested by this England team in their own den in the final. Just the irony and LOL factor of the trend-setting ODI team losing to of all teams, Pakistan, would be entertaining.
 
bujhee kom said:
I wasn't even taking a dig, just being honest. India completely owns Pak in ICC events. It is beyond sad and funny. It is pitiful.

We are worried about ourselves but we have a much better chance of beating India than you have AND more chance of making the finals.
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True. And Bangladesh have owned India is ICC events. In other news, pigs fly.
 
IndYeah1 said:
Call him cynical, call him pessimistic. But the man talks sense.


England's all-in batting strategy can go pear-shaped every once in a while, especially against good bowling. They just recently did that against SA in their home series. That's where Pakistan's chance lies. Problem is, that even a woeful sub-par batting performance may put the target beyond the reach of Pakistan's shambolic batsmen. England bowling is not great, but I think they are good enough to defend 240+ against Pakistan. On a flat track, that's asking too much from Pakistan bowlers.

Good luck though, I wouldn't mind if the pommies lost to Pakistan. Even though I do want India to be tested by this England team in their own den in the final. Just the irony and LOL factor of the trend-setting ODI team losing to of all teams, Pakistan, would be entertaining.
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Once in a while, the wheels for this English team will come off and they will collapse. As you said, it happened against SA in the third ODI. While their approach is refreshing, they also take on a considerable amount of risk. They won't stop attacking even if they are 30/4, but that 30/4 could one day end up being 150 all out. However, I really don't face Pakistani batting second. We made a complete mess of a below par total against SL, and if England bat first and regardless of how many or how few they get, we will simply crumble under pressure.

Our only chance is to bat first, put 300-310 on the board and attack them from all corners with the ball. If they bat 50 overs, they will chase any total, because you cannot stop them from scoring runs and it is simply because of the way they play. We have to try and take as many wickets as we can.
 
Mamoon said:
Once in a while, the wheels for this English team will come off and they will collapse. As you said, it happened against SA in the third ODI. While their approach is refreshing, they also take on a considerable amount of risk. They won't stop attacking even if they are 30/4, but that 30/4 could one day end up being 150 all out. However, I really don't face Pakistani batting second. We made a complete mess of a below par total against SL, and if England bat first and regardless of how many or how few they get, we will simply crumble under pressure.

Our only chance is to bat first, put 300-310 on the board and attack them from all corners with the ball. If they bat 50 overs, they will chase any total, because you cannot stop them from scoring runs and it is simply because of the way they play. We have to try and take as many wickets as we can.
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Unless this new Fakhar kid blasts his way to a really big score, I don't see how this Pak batting unit gets close to 300. Even batting first. I just don't. And I don't think England will let him do that. His short ball issues are too gapingly obvious for that to happen.

If they do, then I actually think Pak may have a bit of a chance. But Shadab has to play this game. Regardless of the pitch.
 
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MMHS said:
I do, because the game isn't at Oval's road. This venue actually makes it much closer.

Still, Poms are massively favorite, but not that PAK should give a walk over. Batting first, this poor line-up can post a decent total (260+) - it won't be easy for any line-up to chase that against that 6 men bowling attack. If Shadab has a good day (basically, if he can land on spot), it won't be one sided for sure.
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This. Birmingham would be different story for being a batting paradise. Cardiff wicket has been tricky - sometime 2 paced. bat first. Do not do what RSA did against India. Play risk free and keep rotating as Sarfraz does. we need haris sohail for Azhar for sure if they do not wanna drop the joker.

It will be toughest game for Pak after India. Sometime home team can crumble under pressure for higher expectations. Eng is probably the best side in the tournamt but often best sides fail in a tournament. Go Pakistan.
 
Your bowlers won't bail you out every match.

Drop the garbage like haft, Imad and Azhar...then may be. Probably can only afford to drop 2 of the 3 due to the squad limitations. I would keep Hafeez, potentially open with him.
 
bujhee kom said:
We have bested India more times in ICC events than Pak have. Our WC win v them > your entire history in ODIs v them.
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Only as per BD fans. Whatever helps you sleep better at night mate. God, What delusion :))
 
On their day, any team can beat any other team. All it takes is one batsman or one bowler to have a very good day (and a bit of luck).
 
Yossarian said:
On their day, any team can beat any other team. All it takes is one batsman or one bowler to have a very good day (and a bit of luck).
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This is not T20. You need more than one good cameo, or a few wickets to beat a stronger opponent.
 
I don't think England have met a certain Shadab Khan (There is no Shadab smiley so here is a Rahat :rahat1)
 
IndYeah1 said:
This is not T20. You need more than one good cameo, or a few wickets to beat a stronger opponent.
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Wrong. eg A brilliant bowling spell by one bowler, taking out three or so key wickets during a critical phase of the match, will beat the opposition no matter how good they are.

The gap between the top teams, and the bottom teams, is wafer thin. That's why Bangladesh beat New Zealand, Pakistan beat South Africa, and SL beat India, and why NZ, SA and Australia have gone home and Pakistan & Bangladesh are in the semi finals.
One dropped catch, or a brilliant catch taken, can be the difference between winning and losing.
 
Don't expect much from fakhar. England will get him out easy. He is very vulnerable to short balls coming into him.

If you want to win, you need to play Shadab and the top order has to play with guts and not go into a shell. I k is there is a lot of talk of who should play and who should be canned for this game but I don't think it will make much difference but for the election or non selection of Shadab.

It will be interesting g to see if the coach and captain have the guts to drop someone to include him
 
Hamad_H said:
I don't think England have met a certain Shadab Khan (There is no Shadab smiley so here is a Rahat :rahat1)
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Please dont curse Shadab...anyone but Rahat's smiley for him. I think I'll go with a leggy's. Tahir Bhai :tahir2
 
bujhee kom said:
:D

The law of average has to come up for Pak v India in a big game sooner or later.

Eng 95% likely to win, Pak 5%.

India 60 %, Bangladesh 40%
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India vs Bangladesh isn't that close. More like 80% chance of India winning. Kohli masterclass incoming.
 
cricfan967 said:
This is whats wrong with Bangla fans.
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I dont blame them to be honest. When a bunch of minnows, aided by rain and a fluke win, at long last, ever undeservedly get propelled into semis, their heads would naturally swell because for them reaching a semi is an achievement in itself. Let them remain high headed for a day or two. India will send them back to the very earth they dwell in.
 
SameerK said:
True say. Cricket is too unpredictable.
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Of course we can but the odds are against us.

Would help very much if we drop Azhar and Hafeez.

I'd absolutely play both Faheem and Shadab.

And I think Shadab might do well against England with the ball. They haven't faced him,
and the kind of high risk batting they favour makes him more dangerous, eg it becomes
more like a T20 which is his forte.
 
Hamad_H said:
Yeah you're right, maybe the Rahat smiley was the wrong choice. Maybe the faces of some of his victims in the SF :root :stokes
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And here's stuart broad, watching his teammates fall prey to Shadab one by one, from his hometown Nottingham, looking at the television :broad
 
obviously there is a huge gap between the two england play an alround game whereas pakistan rely only on their bowling to win them games. Having said this nowadays in limited overs cricket upsets are usual and the team which plays better on the day comes out to be the winner. bangladesh and pakistan both have got an outside chance whereas eng and ind are favourites
 
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