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Can Yadav and Aaron go on to become India's version of Wasim and Waqar?

Performance of India's version of Wasim and Waqar. Which one is Wasim and which one is Waqar do you think?

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After much thought and careful consideration one amendment I like to make is replace Aaron with Shami.
 
Aaron was always going to be mediocre nothing bowler and there were no doubts in my mind about this at all. Come to think of it an Indian friend owes me 5 bucks for a bet on this.

Yadav I am disappointed. I felt he had the base tools to make a good career for himself injury permitting. I had predicted him to average 28-33 in both formats of the game but it looks unlikely at this that he will achieve this.
 
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Still pictures don't prove anything, almost all bowler's would look similar, even spinner's

Does Aaaron even play anymore? or is he only fit for the ipl?
 
liaqat said:
Still pictures don't prove anything, almost all bowler's would look similar, even spinner's

Does Aaaron even play anymore? or is he only fit for the ipl?
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Aaron had a good couple of games in Ranji in the last 2 weeks. He is captaining is side. He might be fast but is a spray gun and should not be near the test side. Also is extremely prone to injury. Having said that, I think they should give him some chances in the ODI side instead of Mohit Sharma.

Yadav has been decent in the last couple of domestic matches and will be back for the test series. He should be used mainly in our test matches, and T20s.
 
Why you need Wasim and Waqar in your team when you have Ishant.

Its like having a billion dollars in your bank account and hoping to earn 100 rupees.
 
Loll this and MANU fans comparing Martial to Thierry Henry.

Some even went on to say he can surpass him.



This is where Pakpassion is worth its weight in gold :)))
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Oh sweet Jesus.





I....





I just.....




[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] change your name. This thread convinced me your kind dont exist :facepalm:





To the OP, as in any situation in life, I think the one and only Nicholas Cage can answer your question





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I know the OP is deliberately extremely optimistic in match threads what with his #bleedblue comments and all, but this just doesnt take the cake, it obliterates it :))
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This is to date the best post on this thread :)))
 
waleed88 said:
Loll this and MANU fans comparing Martial to Thierry Henry.

Some even went on to say he can surpass him.



This is where Pakpassion is worth its weight in gold :)))
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It was the stupid British media not United fans that came up with that comparison. Anthony Martial has done miles better then expected so far and will go on to achieve great things.

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sensible-indian-fan said:
I think people are missing what OP is trying to say

He isn't comparing these 2 with Wasim and Waqar.

He is asking whether they can be our version of them. 2 bowlers who do well and inspire a generation.

Our version of Wasim and Waqar can be 1000 times inferior than the original version but still its useful for us.

The difference is the same as saying Ahmed Shehzad can be comparable to Sachin vs saying Ahmed Shehzad's can be Pakistan's Tendulkar.

The latter means something completely different.

With all being said, I don't prefer to use these kind of comparisons cos it might look something different than what is intended.
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Bugger off SIF.

Moron.

Its a valid comparison but pointless cos we have Ishant.
 
Ishant is so good that the truth about him is soooo amazing that people can only justify it by saying its trolling.

That's called greatness.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Ishant is so good that the truth about him is soooo amazing that people can only justify it by saying its trolling.

That's called greatness.
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Is he fit enough to play at Mohali? Otherwise, if BK, Binney & Mohit are picked; Ash/Mish might come to bowl at 80/0 after 10 overs.

IND selectors actually did pick my 15 more or less, but not sure if they 'll go with my 11
Rohit, Dhawan, Pujara, VK, Rahne, WK, Jaddu, Ash, Ishant, Umesh, Mishra. Jaddu & Ash should cover the 6th batsmen's slot. Waise, I am not a big fan of "run's for tail" thought process you know.
 
MMHS said:
Is he fit enough to play at Mohali? Otherwise, if BK, Binney & Mohit are picked; Ash/Mish might come to bowl at 80/0 after 10 overs.

IND selectors actually did pick my 15 more or less, but not sure if they 'll go with my 11
Rohit, Dhawan, Pujara, VK, Rahne, WK, Jaddu, Ash, Ishant, Umesh, Mishra. Jaddu & Ash should cover the 6th batsmen's slot. Waise, I am not a big fan of "run's for tail" thought process you know.
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Doesn't matter. He has got one test ban.
 
MMHS said:
Is he fit enough to play at Mohali? Otherwise, if BK, Binney & Mohit are picked; Ash/Mish might come to bowl at 80/0 after 10 overs.

IND selectors actually did pick my 15 more or less, but not sure if they 'll go with my 11
Rohit, Dhawan, Pujara, VK, Rahne, WK, Jaddu, Ash, Ishant, Umesh, Mishra. Jaddu & Ash should cover the 6th batsmen's slot. Waise, I am not a big fan of "run's for tail" thought process you know.
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How can you even think Bhuvi, Binny and Mohit trio will bowl in Test? :)))

That is Dhoni's genius plans for ODIs.

In tests, here are our pacers: Ishant, Umesh, Aaron and Bhuvi

Ishant is not playing first test cos he is banned (SL incident).

Your XI is more or less our ACTUAL XI in tests once Ishant is allowed to play (from 2nd test). Umesh vs Aaron is decided on a form basis.

The runs for tail is very very important as long as bits and pieces bowlers aren't chosen. Series win in Lanka wouldn't have happened without Mishraji's 50 in the first innings and Ashwin's 50 in the second (3rd test). And Aus series result would have read 0-4 instead of 0-2. ;-)
 
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India's only chance of winning is to prepare ultimate dust bowls. Both teams get bowled out for under 100 scores. Fill the team up with batsmen - since part timers can get wickets easy on these pitches- reference Clark 6/9.
 
Yadav is a good bowler, Aaron i don't rate him at all. He is only for IPL. Yadav can become Pakistan Junaid Khan.
 
I think OP was referring to their english! With a little bit of practise, aaron and Yadav will be as good or as worse as Wasim and Waqar in speaking english !
 
Slog said:
Aaron was always going to be mediocre nothing bowler and there were no doubts in my mind about this at all. Come to think of it an Indian friend owes me 5 bucks for a bet on this.
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Hes just 25 atm. You are talking as if hes already 35. As of now he is being limited to one format - Tests. In SL, he bowled well in the first spell, intimated a few top order bats & picked wickets too. But he was rubbish with the old ball, kept erring in line/length & went for runs.





Its only been a couple of years that he has been injury free. He needs to bowl a lot of overs in FC to get better. His progress has been hampered by repeated stress fractures in the initial part of his career. Hopefully with the right guidance, he'll be a much better bowler in 2-3 years.
 
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Abhilash93 said:
Hes just 25 atm. You are talking as if hes already 35. As if now he is being limited to one format - Tests. In SL, he bowled well in the first spell, intimated a few top order bats & picked wickets too. But he was rubbish with the old ball, kept erring in line/length & went for runs.



Its only been a couple of years that he has been injury free. He needs to bowl a lot of overs in FC to get better. His progress has been hampered by repeated stress fractures in the initial part of his career. Hopefully with the right guidance, he'll be a much better bowler in 2-3 years.
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I said his performances are what I expected.

I am certain he won't average sub 32 in either format and in ODIs will end up with a ER near 6
 
yes they can and Ahmed Shehzad is more talented than Tendulkar ever was. psssht
 
Time for Yadav and Aaron to step up and prove their worth as indian version 2 Ws.
 
Both are average bowlers in the domestic circles, averaging 33 and 34 respective in FC cricket. They have been brought into the national team based on their pace and potential and not based on achievements. Both have a long way to prove they belong to the highest level of cricket. And from there they have a long road ahead to be comparable to the Wasims and Waqars.
 
IndianWillow said:
Both are average bowlers in the domestic circles, averaging 33 and 34 respective in FC cricket. They have been brought into the national team based on their pace and potential and not based on achievements. Both have a long way to prove they belong to the highest level of cricket. And from there they have a long road ahead to be comparable to the Wasims and Waqars.
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Why India dropped Shami? he was your best pacer in both formats but can't see him in both squads against SA

Is he injured or what?
 
hahahahah, whoever posted this thread thanx for making me laugh. This hilarious thread heading brought back memories of the thread heading," Is Ravindra Jadeja another Wasim Akram?". When we take a dig the indian posters get angry.

When your Indian media and politicians, stasticians have you believe that u r better than Pakistan then why such stupid comparisons? Forget about fast bowlers please work on the spinners in ur domestic setup, as they are so productive. Chucker and liability spinner like Harbhajan Singh is being kept in the side. And Yuvraj Singh is not an off spinner.
 
This thread hasn’t aged well.

Varun is now nowhere near the national team and Umesh has lost form at the wrong time, missed the WC squad and isn’t even on the standby list.
 
Hyping Pakistani batsmen and Indian bowlers is a dangerous thing.
 
Lol, didn't even reach the level of Srinath and Prasad
 
They could not but they managed to reach Debashish Mohanty and Abhay Kuruvilla level.
 
Surprised with the decline of Umesh Yadav to be honest. Probably Aaron was never that good, but Yadav really was impressive at the start. I think, one main reason for them not to make next level is the emergence of Bumrah & Shami, other wise they could have played more and definitely would have improved. But, obviously reaching to that level (ref: my post on page 1) was never going to happen.
 
MMHS said:
Surprised with the decline of Umesh Yadav to be honest. Probably Aaron was never that good, but Yadav really was impressive at the start. I think, one main reason for them not to make next level is the emergence of Bumrah & Shami, other wise they could have played more and definitely would have improved. But, obviously reaching to that level (ref: my post on page 1) was never going to happen.
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Form is temporary but class is permanent... Both of them will be back in the fold for sure...
 
Always remember this thread lol.

Anyways I was wondering, what happened to Varun Aaron - he seems to have completely disappeared from the scene.
 
Varun Aaron is perhaps the most exciting fast bowling talent I've ever seen. It is a shame that we haven't seen him bowl in international cricket for quite a while.

He is someone that could have taken 500+ wickets in tests.
 
Earlier this month we were told the current Indian bowling attack is better than the great WI attack.

I rate the current Indian bowlers highly but please settle down. Let your pace attack hit ATG status first before we compare it with other ATG bowling attacks.
 
Uzi said:
Varun Aaron is perhaps the most exciting fast bowling talent I've ever seen. It is a shame that we haven't seen him bowl in international cricket for quite a while.

He is someone that could have taken 500+ wickets in tests.
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He was & still is a scatter gun like Mohammad Sami. Has pace but no control
 
Aaron was always pace with no control.

Umesh Yadav had potential but nobody told him what line and length to bowl in SENA pitches to get wickets.

Nevertheless, we have Bumrah who averages 20 in tests :afridi.
 
Ab Fan said:
Aaron was always pace with no control.

Umesh Yadav had potential but nobody told him what line and length to bowl in SENA pitches to get wickets.

Nevertheless, we have Bumrah who averages 20 in tests :afridi.
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I'm pretty sure a few other current bowlers would average 20 too if they only played in SENA and WI.
 
Ab Fan said:
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=bowling

Refer this.
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Hard to compare across eras. Windies back in the day were unbeatable, todays team is not even fit to tie those mens boots,. South Africa is worse today than they ever have been post apartheid. Also you're comparing someone with 14 tests vs in some cases 40+ tests.

No doubt though that Bumrah is talented and is very good. I'm just saying, that someone like Pat Cummins and maybe Rabada would probably average 20 if he only played in those countries.
 
aloo paratha said:
Hard to compare across eras. Windies back in the day were unbeatable, todays team is not even fit to tie those mens boots,. South Africa is worse today than they ever have been post apartheid. <B>Also you're comparing someone with 14 tests vs in some cases 40+ tests</B>.

No doubt though that Bumrah is talented and is very good. I'm just saying, that someone like Pat Cummins and maybe Rabada would probably average 20 if he only played in those countries.
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Not comparing anyone here. I still feel Bumrah has a long way to go in tests. In ODIs though, he has already proved himself and has been excellent.

As for Windies and SA, he bowled to SA which had AB and Amla both. That was a good team. Windies were minnow level till last 2-3 years but they have improved now. Look how they have started winning matches against other teams.
 
Ab Fan said:
Not comparing anyone here. I still feel Bumrah has a long way to go in tests. In ODIs though, he has already proved himself and has been excellent.

As for Windies and SA, he bowled to SA which had AB and Amla both. That was a good team. Windies were minnow level till last 2-3 years but they have improved now. Look how they have started winning matches against other teams.
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AB and Amla on their last legs. Windies batting is still very poor. To win, their bowlers have to put in extraordinary performances.

Do you agree when I say Pat Cummins would also average 20 if he only played in those conditions?
 
Last 5 years or so, he has taken 101 wickets at 27.72 in test cricket. He has done ok and made a decent career .
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Last 5 years or so, he has taken 101 wickets at 27.72 in test cricket. He has done ok and made a decent career .
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No doubt Yadav has made a very good career for himself and is in the quartet of Indian pacers (Ishant, Bumrah, Shami and him) who have been very crucial to India's test success in the years prior to NZ series.

He has been particularly devastating at home averaging 20 in the past 3-4 years which is quite an achievement in India. however his away record is fairly poor no matter how you slice and dice it

Bhuvaneshwar Kumar has been missing for a while
 
aloo paratha said:
AB and Amla on their last legs. Windies batting is still very poor. To win, their bowlers have to put in extraordinary performances.

Do you agree when I say Pat Cummins would also average 20 if he only played in those conditions?
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Actually, AB was at peak, not on last legs. In the very next series vs Australia, he smashed them and won the home series against a team which had Smith, Warner, Cummins, Starc and Hazelwood, the series famous for sandpaper fiasco. It's comical to say that that SA team was weak.

Aa for Pat Cummins, you can filter his record and check in SWENA. Are you trying to say that Bumrah stats are inflated because he has only played in SWENA?? In that case, look at Shami and Umesh record, Shami is averaging 19-20 in Asia, Umesh averages 24 in India. Most Asian bowlers have actually done better in Asia than in SWENA.
 
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Varun Aaron was a bigger talent than Yadav but injury ensured he ended as a Simon Jones, Atul Sharma.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Varun Aaron was a bigger talent than Yadav but injury ensured he ended as a Simon Jones, Atul Sharma.
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Varun Aaron was basically Muhammad Sami 2.0. Had real pace but was a scattergun

I hope Varun learns from Ishant & morph into a world class bowler but very unlikely
 
I remember these two making their debuts in the despondent period between the England 0-4 and the Australia 0-4 in 2011.

Yadav has had some kind of career, Aaron faded away, but we don't have much to complain about in the reversal of our fast bowling fortunes since.
 
aloo paratha said:
I'm pretty sure a few other current bowlers would average 20 too if they only played in SENA and WI.
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Australia scored 580 twice last time Pak bowlers toured. They haven't crossed 200 once against bumrah in 2 tests. In NZ, they scored 431 in first test and nearly 650 against pak bowlers today. Against India, They cross 250 once and never crossed 350. You really think it's that easy bowling to Aus and NZ in SENA?

Bumrah is averaging 20 in SENA but other touring bowlers are averaging 40, 50 and in Naseems case even 70
 
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MMHS said:
Surprised with the decline of Umesh Yadav to be honest. Probably Aaron was never that good, but Yadav really was impressive at the start. I think, one main reason for them not to make next level is the emergence of Bumrah & Shami, other wise they could have played more and definitely would have improved. But, obviously reaching to that level (ref: my post on page 1) was never going to happen.
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Yadav actually improved a lot in recent years in India. He is a beast with SG ball and averages 23.93 in India in the last 5 years.His overseas performance was not that great but I think he bowled much better in this series in Australia than any of his previous overseas ones.
 
Dingolfy said:
Yadav actually improved a lot in recent years in India. He is a beast with SG ball and averages 23.93 in India in the last 5 years.His overseas performance was not that great but I think he bowled much better in this series in Australia than any of his previous overseas ones.
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This is his 4th Aussie tour right?
 
Slog said:
I said his performances are what I expected.

I am certain he won't average sub 32 in either format and in ODIs will end up with a ER near 6
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I think your wish is granted. Yadav now averages 30.54 in Tests mostly thanks to his terrific bowling in India. If he can keep up that and improve his overseas bowling a bit, he might get his average under 30.
 
Varun Aaron was always a spraygun and is still the same. Does he even make it to Rajasthan Royals XI ahead of guys like Jayadev Unadkat and Ashok Rajpoot?
 
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