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Can Yadav and Aaron go on to become India's version of Wasim and Waqar?

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What a sight it was to see two young Indian bowlers make the Aussies hop and duck in their own backyard. Both these guys are young, they have pace, stamina and aggression. Can Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron be our version of Wasim and Waqar? Can they go on to inspire a generation of fast bowlers in India? What are your thoughts about their future?
 
:))) :)))

This is the result of being deprived of fast bowling for far too long. Its quite disturbing especially when these guys haven't even done anything of note.
 
Dude why did you have to make this thread, you just made us Indian fans look even more desperate for good fast bowlers :facepalm:
 
BlackThunder said:
What a sight it was to see two young Indian bowlers make the Aussies hop and duck in their own backyard. Both these guys are young, they have pace, stamina and aggression. Can Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron be our version of Wasim and Waqar? Can they go on to inspire a generation of fast bowlers in India? What are your thoughts about their future?
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Aaron doesn't know how to setup a batsman. Reminds me of Sami/Gul.
 
Oh sweet Jesus.

I....

I just.....
[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] change your name. This thread convinced me your kind dont exist :facepalm:

To the OP, as in any situation in life, I think the one and only Nicholas Cage can answer your question

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I know the OP is deliberately extremely optimistic in match threads what with his #bleedblue comments and all, but this just doesnt take the cake, it obliterates it :))
 
Please don't compare these guys to the legends. They are just starting out and are quick which is a good sign. Both these bowlers need to achieve a lot before they can be called decent. If you are just talking about inspiration to bowl quick, then probably they might do that for the next generation but again, one of these bowlers should become good and play for a long time to inspire a generation. Yadav has all the talent to do that but I am not sure about Aaron yet. He has the pace but lacks in control. He needs to find a way to bowl with more control without sacrificing the pace.
 
Dee1990 said:
Dude why did you have to make this thread, you just made us Indian fans look even more desperate for good fast bowlers :facepalm:
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Lol don't feel defensive bro. This is an online forum people will have varied opinion and discuss different topics, the thread is to generate discussion about the future of two fastest bowlers in the world who happen to play for India.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Let them surpass Ishant and Pathan first.
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This. These two are not even better than the likes of Pathan or Agarkar, the last two Indians to be compared with Wasim.

I would have Bhuvi and Shami over these two anyday, atleast those two trundlers don't go for 5 runs an over every other innings.
 
As long as you dont compare them with Wasim and Waqae I am fine with it. Of course if they can maintain their pace for another 7-8 years they will be remembered as indian greats and that could inspire the young indians to become fast bowlers.
But even then you can not compare them with Wasim and Waqar.

Umesh is already 27 and Aron is 25 and both are trying to cement their place in the indian side. Remember that Wasim and Waqar debuted when they were 17-18 years old and by the time they were 25-27 they were at another level.

And pace alone is not enough. What made wasim and waqar special was that they had the pace, cricketing intelligence and some extreme skills. Aron, st the moment is bowling like Sami with no control. Even Sami had better control and was quicker when he started his career. So a long long way to go...
 
They cant cross Javagal Srinath and Venkatesh Prasad. And Op is talking about Wasim and Waqar
 
Actually no.

Not that 2Ws were anything special, but one of them was left-armer - these 2 are both right armers.

May be OP should revise the title with a "Like to like" pair. He can choose any of these ---

Lillee-Thompson
Truman-Statham
Holdig-Marshall
Ambrose-Bishop
Lindwall-Miller
Adcock-Haine
McDonald-Gregory
Imran-Sarfraz
Hall-Griffith
 
MMHS said:
Actually no.

Not that 2Ws were anything special, but one of them was left-armer - these 2 are both right armers.

May be OP should revise the title with a "Like to like" pair. He can choose any of these ---

Lillee-Thompson
Truman-Statham
Holdig-Marshall
Ambrose-Bishop
Lindwall-Miller
Adcock-Haine
McDonald-Gregory
Imran-Sarfraz
Hall-Griffith
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What!?? The 2 Ws were not special?
 
MMHS said:
Actually no.

Not that 2Ws were anything special, but one of them was left-armer - these 2 are both right armers.

May be OP should revise the title with a "Like to like" pair. He can choose any of these ---

Lillee-Thompson
Truman-Statham
Holdig-Marshall
Ambrose-Bishop
Lindwall-Miller
Adcock-Haine
McDonald-Gregory
Imran-Sarfraz
Hall-Griffith
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Your biggest issue is the handedness?

This is a joke right?
 
I am actually wondering if Josh Hazwelwood will become better than Malcolm Marshall next year.
 
IAJ said:
What!?? The 2 Ws were not special?
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I think he just means that Yadav and Aaron are both right arm pacers. Wheras Wasim and waqar are left,right combo. He is not naive enough to knowingly mean what he typed.
 
What a foolish op :banghead:

India will never & i repeat neverrr.. have anybody close to wasim & waqar.

We should be happy with next zaheer or next srinath
 
When 2 Ws debuted they were already very good. Then they were guided by imran who himself was a world class bowler. They then played county cricket & became best in the buisness.

None of the indian bowlers are as talented as wasim or waqar when they started nor will they have the guidance to become anywhere close to 2ws.
 
I don't want them to have meaningless stats. :wasim:waqar

If they can help us win a series in Australia, I'll be happy. :)
 
If they can even become Sreenath-Zaheer we will win most of the matches abroad.... forget about WaqAr and Wasim,they were in a different league
 
:)))

Getting smashed around by MJ. Yes, they are definitely the next Waqar Younis. Get real guys, Bhuvi and Shami are better bowlers than these two.
 
Bilal7 said:
:)))

Getting smashed around by MJ. Yes, they are definitely the next Waqar Younis. Get real guys, Bhuvi and Shami are better bowlers than these two.
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no chance.Yadav and Aaron dont....uhmm.. scratch the ball(you know what i mean)
 
Wow.

Has to be among the worst threads on PP.

Answer to OP - No, they'll never get close.
 
We shouldnt compare them with the greats of bowling.. They both dint have speedy in dipping yorker which 2ws were badshahs..
 
MenInG said:
Not in this game they wont!

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no no no no mate. you are being a bit lenient here. this picture doesn't tell us about the economy rates of these "bowlers" who are supposed to be next W's. but hey apparently the stats which the W's worked so hard to earn are meaningless as per some of our friends here
 
Even Mitchel Johnson went wicketless giving away 84 runs at an economy rate of 4. Not an easy pitch to bowl on.
 
i think they would do well to emulate Muhammad sami , probably not in ODI's because Sami was a decent Odi bowler but in tests they certainly can be less talented versions of Sami , well Aaron does average 60 .Maybe even slower versions of Shaun Tait who knows.
 
jesus you are as bad as the lad who made that thread about ahmed shehzad being equal to virat......

no mate...they aren't even fit to shine waqar and wasim's shoes as yet.
 
What was SHoaib Akhtar's economy rate in Australia after playing his total of SIX Tests?? Anyone... ? :yk


This rookie pair, playing together for the first time, has already outbowled the local superstar Mitchel Johnson. Conditions aren't easy, and these kids have performed very decent.
 
As for this thread.. it indeed is an insane comparison. But this Umesh and Aaron bashing should stop. Look at what other express pacers have performed on this pitch.
 
Electron said:
What was SHoaib Akhtar's economy rate in Australia after playing his total of SIX Tests?? Anyone... ? :yk


This rookie pair, playing together for the first time, has already outbowled the local superstar Mitchel Johnson. Conditions aren't easy, and these kids have performed very decent.
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isn't this umesh's second aus tour?
 
Electron said:
As for this thread.. it indeed is an insane comparison. But this Umesh and Aaron bashing should stop. Look at what other express pacers have performed on this pitch.
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bro these guys are good prospects....no doubt...decent ones even...but to compare them to the two Ws is ridiculous.....its like us comparing ahmed shehzad to sachin, dravid, vvs or even ganguly....it would be insane
 
sabre1486 said:
bro these guys are good prospects....no doubt...decent ones even...but to compare them to the two Ws is ridiculous.....its like us comparing ahmed shehzad to sachin, dravid, vvs or even ganguly....it would be insane
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Ofcoz it is, everyone knows that.
 
Reminds me of Shehzad-Kohli thread, Umar Akmal-Sachin Tendulkar thread, etc.
 
No they are even better than great Ws, Ws are just over hyped by some pak fans but these two are real deal, they will set the world on fire. Now OP are you happy?
 
I think people are missing what OP is trying to say

He isn't comparing these 2 with Wasim and Waqar.

He is asking whether they can be our version of them. 2 bowlers who do well and inspire a generation.

Our version of Wasim and Waqar can be 1000 times inferior than the original version but still its useful for us.

The difference is the same as saying Ahmed Shehzad can be comparable to Sachin vs saying Ahmed Shehzad's can be Pakistan's Tendulkar.

The latter means something completely different.

With all being said, I don't prefer to use these kind of comparisons cos it might look something different than what is intended.
 
No I don't expect them to be ever close to legends.


But i do expect both of them to to better than Waqar in Australia.
 
Let them take 100 wickets apiece first. If they are still in the team at that time, we can think about comparing them to other bowlers.
 
I'll be happy if they end up being Zaheer and Srinath :S Wasim-Waqar lol
 
I would make several points about this.

Firstly, it's a blight on the game that Australia and South Africa are now producing pudding-like tracks for home Tests.

Secondly, the buzz in India about Aaron and Yadav's pace highlights everything that is missing in their fast bowling culture.

Raw pace is not a bad starting point. But please note that Adam Milne and Matt Henry are both quicker than they are, yet New Zealand would never dream of picking either one instead of the medium-fast Southee and Boult.

Everything about fast bowling really revolves around as full a length as possible and a good line. That's why Ehsan Adil is going to take more test wickets in Australia and South Africa than Aaron and Yadav.

It's great that Yadav took three wickets, but it was embarrassing yesterday that on his second Australian tour he was still pitching far, far too short to create the chances he could have produced. Like short fast bowlers since time immemorial he got carried away with the bounce and carry in Australia and pitched in his own half of the wicket.

Aaron and Yadav prove two things. Firstly, that Indians can bowl fast. Secondly, that they lack the cricket culture to harness that pace to make the batsman play forward on and outside off-stump, which ultimately is what the fast bowler's job is.
 
BlackThunder said:
What a sight it was to see two young Indian bowlers make the Aussies hop and duck in their own backyard. Both these guys are young, they have pace, stamina and aggression. Can Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron be our version of Wasim and Waqar? Can they go on to inspire a generation of fast bowlers in India? What are your thoughts about their future?
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No!
 
leatherface58 said:
Well if Dhoni is India's Imran... ;-)
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Dhoni is a far improved version.

He's won us World Cup, World T20, Champion's Trophy, World No 1 in Tests and every damn thing at domestic T20. Dhoni is a bigger cricketer than Imran all considered, but let's not derail this thread with that never-ending debate. Suffice it to say that judging Dhoni on the absolute worst aspect of his game (captaincy while bowling in Tests abroad) misses the point because he is so damn good at the more important stuff.
 
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