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Can Yadav and Aaron go on to become India's version of Wasim and Waqar?

CricketAnalyst said:
Dhoni is a far improved version.

He's won us World Cup, World T20, Champion's Trophy, World No 1 in Tests and every damn thing at domestic T20. Dhoni is a bigger cricketer than Imran all considered, but let's not derail this thread with that never-ending debate. Suffice it to say that judging Dhoni on the absolute worst aspect of his game (captaincy while bowling in Tests abroad) misses the point because he is so damn good at the more important stuff.
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LOL. Dhoni isn't in Imran's league as a cricketer. Don't be ridiculous. Some very delusional Indians in this thread.
 
LOL at this thread. yadav can be a good bowler though, if given enough chances. Aaron is not ready for internationals
 
Bilal7 said:
LOL. Dhoni isn't in Imran's league as a cricketer. Don't be ridiculous. Some very delusional Indians in this thread.
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All I can say is if Dhoni was Pakistani, and he was the captain who won World Cup, Champs Trophy, World T20, and got to No 1. in Tests he would be a living god. Not to mention the number of CLT20 and IPL wins, seeing how much support the Lions got for the CLT20...
 
BlackThunder said:
What a sight it was to see two young Indian bowlers make the Aussies hop and duck in their own backyard. Both these guys are young, they have pace, stamina and aggression. Can Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron be our version of Wasim and Waqar? Can they go on to inspire a generation of fast bowlers in India? What are your thoughts about their future?
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I don't know whether to laugh or sympathize with you. Wasim and Waqar were two of the greatest bowlers world cricket has ever seen. They are incomparable and it is insulting for them to be even mentioned in the same breath as Yadav and Aaron.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
All I can say is if Dhoni was Pakistani, and he was the captain who won World Cup, Champs Trophy, World T20, and got to No 1. in Tests he would be a living god. Not to mention the number of CLT20 and IPL wins, seeing how much support the Lions got for the CLT20...
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No he wouldn't. He would be known as our second best captain.
 
Yadav if he can stay fit & become slighty more accurate can become an indian great.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
All I can say is if Dhoni was Pakistani, and he was the captain who won World Cup, Champs Trophy, World T20, and got to No 1. in Tests he would be a living god. Not to mention the number of CLT20 and IPL wins, seeing how much support the Lions got for the CLT20...
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If Dhoni had not led India to a series of white washes and historic defeats, he would have left behind a great legacy. Unfortunately, only average Indian fans would hold Dhoni to be a living god, because these humiliating defeats are still fresh in the minds of an above average fan. Since 2011 Dhoni's stocks have come down, and no more in the league of a living god.
 
I had to check the Australia score again to make sure I hadn't got it wrong. Nope - they scored 505.
 
Waqar after his first 5 tests - 10 wickets@46
Wasim after 10 tests - 34 wickets@24

Aaron after 5 tests (an inning to go) - 13 wickets @54
Umsh after 10 tests (an inning to go) - 35 wickets @33

There's still some hope for Umesh and Varun. If they could both go onto become even half as good as the great Ws, Indian cricket would do well for the next 5-6 years :)
 
cricketindiafan said:
Waqar after his first 5 tests - 10 wickets@46
Wasim after 10 tests - 34 wickets@24

Aaron after 5 tests (an inning to go) - 13 wickets @54
Umsh after 10 tests (an inning to go) - 35 wickets @33

There's still some hope for Umesh and Varun. If they could both go onto become even half as good as the great Ws, Indian cricket would do well for the next 5-6 years :)
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And they were supported & guided by the great imran khan whereas these two are being guided by ....ishant sharma :p
 
Swanny said:
And they were supported & guided by the great imran khan whereas these two are being guided by ....ishant sharma :p
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Haha post the WC, they'll have Kohli as captain hence they might become half as good as the great Ws. Had Imran Khan been guiding them, could have become a lot better than where they'll end :)
 
Swanny said:
And they were supported & guided by the great imran khan whereas these two are being guided by ....ishant sharma :p
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You serious? ;-) Actually Ishant sharma (who has the worst stats for any fast bowler with 50 test caps) could do with some guidance from these two, especially Umesh.:)):))
 
cricketindiafan said:
Haha post the WC, they'll have Kohli as captain hence they might become half as good as the great Ws. Had Imran Khan been guiding them, could have become a lot better than where they'll end :)
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Dont worry we have the great ravi shastri as a headmaster/coach. He'll be just as brutal on their behinds if they slack off :)
 
IndianWillow said:
If Dhoni had not led India to a series of white washes and historic defeats, he would have left behind a great legacy. Unfortunately, only average Indian fans would hold Dhoni to be a living god, because these humiliating defeats are still fresh in the minds of an above average fan. Since 2011 Dhoni's stocks have come down, and no more in the league of a living god.
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This is like judging Imran Khan on the fact that he was useless in his first Test, or the reason he initially got in was perceived to be Sifarish. Or judging Tendulkar on his selfishness about personal milestones, or judging Dravid or Laxman as the slow batsmen who lost us ODI's. You judge great players by what they did, not what failures they had, and if you are above average as a fan, you should be able to see beyond a recency bias. If you admit his legacy was historic, that shouldn't vanish because of our toothless bowling attack during a few away Test series.
 
I hope all three play against us in the WC. Even our tuk tuk brigade will easily score at 6 runs an over if that is the case.
 
Not by yesterday's display. It they can achieve even 1/3rd of what the 2 Ws achieved it will be a mountainous achievement for India.
 
Yadav, Aron along with Ishanth are the only World class bowlers who could stand alongside to the likes of Marshal, Hadlee and Wasim
 
They have been as impressive as any bowler on show. Umesh in particular has been outstanding. Haters gonna hate.... trundlers gonna trundle. :gul :sohail
 
I'll have to admit that Aaron is only playing because India don't have any decent wicket taking option. For most above average sides, Aaron shouldn't make playing XI.
 
Yadav is a good prospect for India. :14:

What happen to Bhavaneshwar kumar? He was a good wicket taking swing bowler?
 
spiderreddy said:
Stats in Australia

Umesh - 8 Inn, 18 wkts, S/R -48, Avg - 36
Waqar - 12 Inn, 14 wkts, S/R-81, Avg - 41
Akhtar - 10 Inn, 17 wkts, S/R-60, Avg-44
Amir- 4 Inn, 8 wkts, S/R-71, Avg-41
Asif-8 Inn,13 wkts, S/R-71, Avg- 36

:steyn
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such a revealing stat :waqar
 
Wow! Never came across this thread. The OP has to get the biggest troll of PP award.
 
spiderreddy said:
Stats in Australia

Umesh - 8 Inn, 18 wkts, S/R -48, Avg - 36
Waqar - 12 Inn, 14 wkts, S/R-81, Avg - 41
Akhtar - 10 Inn, 17 wkts, S/R-60, Avg-44
Amir- 4 Inn, 8 wkts, S/R-71, Avg-41
Asif-8 Inn,13 wkts, S/R-71, Avg- 36

:steyn
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SC bowlers have problem with their lengths (they often bowl too short) in Australia. You would expect a fast bowler like Imran to have his best stats under favourable conditions in Australia, but Imran's worst stats (compared to other nations) were in Oz. They seem to get carried away with bounce, because they don't see that in the SC.
 
spiderreddy said:
Stats in Australia

Umesh - 8 Inn, 18 wkts, S/R -48, Avg - 36
Waqar - 12 Inn, 14 wkts, S/R-81, Avg - 41
Akhtar - 10 Inn, 17 wkts, S/R-60, Avg-44
Amir- 4 Inn, 8 wkts, S/R-71, Avg-41
Asif-8 Inn,13 wkts, S/R-71, Avg- 36

:steyn
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29.56 Domestic First Class Average for Yadav even Srinath has better first class average than your Indian 2 W.
 
We played 2 tests in SA, 2 in NZ and 5 in Eng..Umesh was not picked in a single of those matches. Such brain dead team selection when he should have been playing each test we have played since the Aus tour of 2011-12.
 
spiderreddy said:
what a comeback :afaq
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It was watching Lillee in Ashes series which inpired Great Khan to become a fast bowler and he inspired Pakistanis to ball fast.

How many years Lillee worked as coach at MRF Pace foundation? Did you produce even one World Class fast bowler from the coaching of great Lillee?
 
justarslan said:
It was watching Lillee in Ashes series which inpired Great Khan to become a fast bowler and he inspired Pakistanis to ball fast.

How many years Lillee worked as coach at MRF Pace foundation? Did you produce even one World Class fast bowler from the coaching of great Lillee?
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but but we have the fastest bowling pair from Asia currently :steyn
 
justarslan said:
It was watching Lillee in Ashes series which inpired Great Khan to become a fast bowler and he inspired Pakistanis to ball fast.

How many years Lillee worked as coach at MRF Pace foundation? Did you produce even one World Class fast bowler from the coaching of great Lillee?
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Almost all our pacers from 1990 onwards were from Lille's MRF pace foundation - Srinath, Prasad, Zaheer, Irfan, Munaf, Sreesanth. That only Srinath and Zaheer went onto have a long enough test career is more a failure of the Indian bowling system.
 
spiderreddy said:
but but we have the fastest bowling pair from Asia currently :steyn
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We can put out Sami, Riaz and Irfan in a test match and we'll have three genuine fast bowlers. But we won't do that for obvious reasons.
 
BlackThunder said:
What a sight it was to see two young Indian bowlers make the Aussies hop and duck in their own backyard. Both these guys are young, they have pace, stamina and aggression. Can Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron be our version of Wasim and Waqar? Can they go on to inspire a generation of fast bowlers in India? What are your thoughts about their future?
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They are on their way to becoming the next Madanlal and Binny! Yadav's deceleration in the series was dramatic.
 
IndianWillow said:
They are on their way to becoming the next Madanlal and Binny! Yadav's deceleration in the series was dramatic.
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Who didn't decelerate this series? MJ was in mid/late 130s after first two Tests, Harris was bowling early 130s, what was so dramatic about Yadav bowling late 130s this Test?
 
Hopefully now Pakistanis will know how we feel when they compare the likes of Shehzad to Rahane or Umar to Kohli or Inzi to Sachin .
 
biggestdravidfan said:
Hopefully now Pakistanis will know how we feel when they compare the likes of Shehzad to Rahane or Umar to Kohli or Inzi to Sachin .
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The only issue here is that though all these Pak batters might be inferior to the Indians but they are/were all success story!
 
Arsal_AK said:
Whoops.

They are not better than Wahab and Sami, let alone the others.
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Stats in Australia

Umesh - 12 Inn, 25 wkts, S/R -56, Avg - 44
Waqar - 12 Inn, 14 wkts, S/R-81, Avg - 41
Akhtar - 10 Inn, 17 wkts, S/R-60, Avg-44
Amir- 4 Inn, 8 wkts, S/R-71, Avg-41
Asif-8 Inn,13 wkts, S/R-71, Avg- 36


Then Wahab and Sami must be better than the four pak bowlers mentioned above :ricky
 
spiderreddy said:
Stats in Australia

Umesh - 12 Inn, 25 wkts, S/R -56, Avg - 44
Waqar - 12 Inn, 14 wkts, S/R-81, Avg - 41
Akhtar - 10 Inn, 17 wkts, S/R-60, Avg-44
Amir- 4 Inn, 8 wkts, S/R-71, Avg-41
Asif-8 Inn,13 wkts, S/R-71, Avg- 36


Then Wahab and Sami must be better than the four pak bowlers mentioned above :ricky
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Akhtar played against greatest test team. Current Aussie team is full of hacks.
 
biggestdravidfan said:
Hopefully now Pakistanis will know how we feel when they compare the likes of Shehzad to Rahane or Umar to Kohli or Inzi to Sachin .
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LOL all those comparisons are nothing in front of this comparison. This is like comparing Umar Amin to Ganguly, or Ijaz Ahmed to Sachin.
 
I think Wasim and waqar right now could outbowl these so called wanabes from India.
 
These guys would do well to reach the caliber of Mohammad Sami. Looks like the OP jinxed the so called fast bowling superstars.
 
Yadavs been attacked by australia thats why he's got more wickets then waqar...
Yadavs 4:6
waqars 2:9
No free wickets for waqar.
Aus played Waqar out
 
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