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Can Zahid Mehmood and Sajid Khan help Pakistan claim 20 wickets in the 2nd Test against England at Multan?

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This is your plan to take 20 wickets vs England when have these two ever looked like taking wickets at test level that now it will change .

Going with Mehran Mumtaz was a better option don’t they want to develop long term spin options
 
Mehran is just a quick darter and will not trouble any one on these flat tracks. He is far inferior to Sajid , Noman and Zahid.
 
Barragan said:
I agree with you except for zahid

That guy is easily the worst of the bunch
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Atleast Zahid can turn the ball in favourable conditions , Mehran can't turn big even on extremely helpful conditions but Mehran is 10 times more accurate than Zahid and has got aggression of a fast bowler and if the pitch is really turning then he can atleast get some turn as well.
 
To be fair even Saim can get more turn then Mehran , Why don't they develop Saim in to a proper allrounder? He can turn the ball both ways at very high pace which is indeed a rare quality.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
To be fair even Saim can get more turn then Mehran , Why don't they develop Saim in to a proper allrounder? He can turn the ball both ways at very high pace which is indeed a rare quality.
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Dont worry Saim will be bowling plenty of overs when Zahid & Sajid are sent to the cleaners
 
They could have selected Mir Hamza instead of Sajid as Sajid will be as toothless as Abrar with his soft off spin with zero bite.

At least Hamza will create chances with the new ball and is very hard to hit out with the old ball as well , definitely can pickup some wickets with the new balls and some soft wickets with the old ball when batsmen will try to go after him.
 
Sajid has only picked up 7 wickets in his last 9 list A games this season , not sure he deserve a spot in the test side at all.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
Atleast Zahid can turn the ball in favourable conditions , Mehran can't turn big even on extremely helpful conditions but Mehran is 10 times more accurate than Zahid and has got aggression of a fast bowler and if the pitch is really turning then he can atleast get some turn as well.
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Nah, zahid is proper trash and easily the worst of the worst in Tests

You'll see in this Test match
 
Even if Mehran is poor atleast give him a go you need to check your options for long term .

Zahid and Sajid are not even horses for courses as they are so rubbish.
 
I am ok with Noman and Sajid because at very least they can give accuracy and if pitch is turning they can drive ball in at pace. Even though they will likely get smashed.

Zahid on the other hand is utter trash. It is high time Pak across formats that Pak only pick leggies who can bowl at international standard rather than club bowlers like Zahid and Usama Mir.

Better to have an average fingerspinner than an average legspinner
 
I'm just surprised that Mubasir still hasn't made it into the squad. The guy is the ideal off spinner and later order batter that we need in Asian conditions.

From the squad, I have hopes from Mehran Mumtaz. At least the guy has some fire in the belly and doesn't shy away from competition. We need a change in our approach attitude so perhaps its better we go for cricketers willing to put on a fight. Just one request, don't turn out to be like Haris Rauf that is only fire but no firepower.
 
Extra_Cover said:
I'm just surprised that Mubasir still hasn't made it into the squad. The guy is the ideal off spinner and later order batter that we need in Asian conditions.

From the squad, I have hopes from Mehran Mumtaz. At least the guy has some fire in the belly and doesn't shy away from competition. We need a change in our approach attitude so perhaps its better we go for cricketers willing to put on a fight. Just one request, don't turn out to be like Haris Rauf that is only fire but no firepower.
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Agreed , Mehran has got a attitude of a champion bowler and has a fighting spirit, only if he work on his revs then he can be a good test bowler.
 
Noman ali looks like a 55 year old person, Zahid is also definitely not 36, damn!, how are these people conning the PCB.
 
The inconsistency and lack of clarity regarding game plans is mind boggling. If you are expecting this trio to go and win you a game, why have they not played in the last 4 tests?

We are completely clueless on who our best spinners are. I get it. Our spin bowling cupboard is bare and whoever is available is poor. No problem with that. But now you are putting all your eggs in the basket that you’ve admitted is the barest of all.

It just absolutely bonkers
 
Noman ali is the best bet
Hopefully he can conjure up the old remnants of abdur rehman

With every one having laptops and YouTube footage, the old adage about watching opponents previous tests to work them out doesn't hold much weight anymore

As long as noman sticks it in the right place I'm sure even the best English players of spin will succumb to him
 
TheSultan said:
The inconsistency and lack of clarity regarding game plans is mind boggling. If you are expecting this trio to go and win you a game, why have they not played in the last 4 tests?

We are completely clueless on who our best spinners are. I get it. Our spin bowling cupboard is bare and whoever is available is poor. No problem with that. But now you are putting all your eggs in the basket that you’ve admitted is the barest of all.

It just absolutely bonkers
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What do you expect when the entire selection committee has been over-hauled DURING the series?

Has this ever happened with any other cricket board? We are a joke and the instability created by the PCB right now will lead to even more disastrous results.

Not a popular opinion, but we might need to out-source a Director of Cricket from outside. Someone neutral who will not listen to Naqvi’s cronies and make decisions based on professionalism.

Honestly if this doesn’t happen, we will continue to descend to unimaginable levels of mediocrity.
 
Seems like they are preparing a wicket where the match will finish within 4 days. Win the toss, win the game!

Since we are spoilt for choice as they all are equally good, I would have gone with younger players.

Noman and Zahid must be 45 plus
 
Yes , they can , but for that they need to be desperate for that. They need to bowl right line and length and be ready to flight the bowl.
 
Maybe they'll pull off a miracle but it's likely they will get annihilated instead. The pitch reading of this think tank so far has been abysmal so it's hard to put in any faith in their beliefs.

Regardless, people forget Pakistan are one of the worst teams vs spin in International cricket so if it does turn into a rank turner, we will probably see Pakistan get bowled out for 150 or so instead and get rolled over by these mediocre English spinners.
 
It will be fun by watching England bash these mediocre bowlers.
 
England committing harakiri can lead to that. For that theese spinners have to be economical
 
These guys need the pitch to go in their favor otherwise expect 200 runs each from these bowlers.
 
It seems these players have been given an opportunity mainly to fulfill their dream of representing their country in Pakistan. :amir

I hope for their sakes that England donot bat first.
 
Barragan said:
Nah, he won't even be useful in the 4th innings

That's how useless he is
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Even a "useless" leggie can be dangerous on day 4/5 with runs on the board.

I have faith he will do well iA.

Overall he's not the best bowler but hopefully he can perform when needed.
 
As Athers said thsi is an unchartered territory. Never seen a test match being played on a used surface. Nobody could predict what to expect. Today we got the answer. It is increasingly becoming unplayable.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
As Athers said thsi is an unchartered territory. Never seen a test match being played on a used surface. Nobody could predict what to expect. Today we got the answer. It is increasingly becoming unplayable.
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Bro dont you think pak should always prepare pitch like this atleast toss is lottery and with pak spinners they are always in the game.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
As Athers said thsi is an unchartered territory. Never seen a test match being played on a used surface. Nobody could predict what to expect. Today we got the answer. It is increasingly becoming unplayable.
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This is what you want out of a Test pitch, there is progressive change and more competition between the two sides. It hasn’t been a nightmare from day 1 or something and this is the first session which Pakistan clearly won. Pitches in asia should be like this, though I still think Pakistan got a lot of work to do in preparing wickets like this from Day 1 / not having to play on the same pitch etc
 
I am not happy with the pitch. The turn and pace is still slow, the bounce is still low.

Why can't we produce fast quick turning rank turners like India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh manage to do so easily?

Pakistani bowlers in Pakistan have struggled to take 20 wickets since 2022 whereas the same bowlers had no problems getting 20 wickets in Australia, Sri Lanka.
 
Savak said:
I am not happy with the pitch. The turn and pace is still slow, the bounce is still low.

Why can't we produce fast quick turning rank turners like India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh manage to do so easily?

Pakistani bowlers in Pakistan have struggled to take 20 wickets since 2022 whereas the same bowlers had no problems getting 20 wickets in Australia, Sri Lanka.
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we messed up the pitches. So it will take time to fix them. But by the time they fix, someone else will coem into pcb to destroy them.

These tracks are better than those Indian rank turners that spin from day 1. These kind of pitches offer reverse swing atleast.

Sri Lanka pitches are dead pitches.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
As Athers said thsi is an unchartered territory. Never seen a test match being played on a used surface. Nobody could predict what to expect. Today we got the answer. It is increasingly becoming unplayable.
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Why not? I did, no cricket pitch will stay good for batters for 10 straight days. It was not that tough to figure out.

Not sure why Atherton said that it was an uncharted territory. In fact it was the most easiest thing to figure out once they announced that they were going to use the same pitch that was used in the first test match.
 
Caved12 said:
Why not? I did, no cricket pitch will stay good for batters for 10 straight days. It was not that tough to figure out.

Not sure why Atherton said that it was an uncharted territory. In fact it was the most easiest thing to figure out once they announced that they were going to use the same pitch that was used in the first test match.
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TBH a day 7 Pakistani pitch is easier to bat on than a day 1 Indian pitch.
 
Caved12 said:
Why not? I did, no cricket pitch will stay good for batters for 10 straight days. It was not that tough to figure out.

Not sure why Atherton said that it was an uncharted territory. In fact it was the most easiest thing to figure out once they announced that they were going to use the same pitch that was used in the first test match.
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It was not certain when the pitch will start breaking up. It was still good on day 1. If there was no turn on day 2, England would have run away with the match.
 
It is not just the pitch. England's bowling quality was inferior on this pitch especially Bashir. Hartley would have been more effective here. Bashir looked absolutely pedestrian. ALso pacers bowled better. But they couldn't produce peaches like spinners could do. This allowed Pakistan to get away to an above par total. This looks like a 300 wicket batting ifrst
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It is not just the pitch. England's bowling quality was inferior on this pitch especially Bashir. Hartley would have been more effective here. Bashir looked absolutely pedestrian. ALso pacers bowled better. But they couldn't produce peaches like spinners could do. This allowed Pakistan to get away to an above par total. This looks like a 300 wicket batting ifrst
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Bashir was aboslute waste of time and gives credence to critics arugment that is he there only for quota. He doesn't look even FC ready, forget about test ready. He may very well develop as a very good spinner later but right now he is really bad. Spinners, even those in sub continent who play a lot on pitches supporting spin, take a lot of time to develop. Usually they come to there own only late 20s and early 30s.. It needs lots of skills, practice and ability to ready batsman and situation that can only be gained by playing a lot of FC cricket. Bashir has none of that and he has shown no brilliance which supports fast tracking him. If England belives in him, then they should work with his Somerset to develop him in next few years. Right now he is waste of place

By the way even Stokes doesn't look like he is fit to be in this team on merit. His batting form is bad and he was struggling to bowl. He is just occupying a spot now without bringing anything to the table
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It was not certain when the pitch will start breaking up. It was still good on day 1. If there was no turn on day 2, England would have run away with the match.
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As per curators, the surface was supposed to break by the day 4 in the first test match, but that did not happen, then they came up with a brilliant idea of using the same pitch for the 2nd test match and used huge fans to dry the pitch as much as possible, enough indications to conclude that it was gong to be bowler friendly from day 1. There was turn on day 1, but England bowled poorly after picking up the first two wickets. There was enough assistance for pacers as well on day 1.
 
and about the OP question, they an most certainly take 20 wickets. There next task is to restrict England to a score under 300 before lunch or just after lunch tomorrow. After that bat tenaciously for a full day at least, preferable four sessions. Don't be overly aggressive. The pitch does not support that kind of batting anymore. Bat normally, safely and let players like Saud, Agha, Ghulam and Sahfique bat both time and overs. The longer they stay on the pitch better for them. If they have to win this match, they have to make England bat significant part of day 5. Any target around 330 would be almost a winning one if they bowl with common sense that England will surely lack while batting and chasing any target
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It is not just the pitch. England's bowling quality was inferior on this pitch especially Bashir. Hartley would have been more effective here. Bashir looked absolutely pedestrian. ALso pacers bowled better. But they couldn't produce peaches like spinners could do. This allowed Pakistan to get away to an above par total. This looks like a 300 wicket batting ifrst
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I disagree with England's bowling quality being inferior. Jack Leach is already miles ahead of any of our spinners. England's pacers have already looked more potent and successful than any of Pakistan's pacers. England's pacers are fitter, more disciplined and they are backed by a captain who gives them innovative field placings.
 
Savak said:
I am not happy with the pitch. The turn and pace is still slow, the bounce is still low.

Why can't we produce fast quick turning rank turners like India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh manage to do so easily?

Pakistani bowlers in Pakistan have struggled to take 20 wickets since 2022 whereas the same bowlers had no problems getting 20 wickets in Australia, Sri Lanka.
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Why do you want those pitches of India and Sri Lanka?

Our batsmen will be turned inside out on them.

Our best bet is UAE style to grind out the opposition.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
As Athers said thsi is an unchartered territory. Never seen a test match being played on a used surface. Nobody could predict what to expect. Today we got the answer. It is increasingly becoming unplayable.
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It's spinning outside off stump anything on the wickets is fine.
 
zarak said:
TBH a day 7 Pakistani pitch is easier to bat on than a day 1 Indian pitch.
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This.

Alot of indians were bashing our pitches and yet they forget where they stand
 
Savak said:
I disagree with England's bowling quality being inferior. Jack Leach is already miles ahead of any of our spinners. England's pacers have already looked more potent and successful than any of Pakistan's pacers. England's pacers are fitter, more disciplined and they are backed by a captain who gives them innovative field placings.
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Bashir alone singlehandedly brought down the quality. He was very poor in the 2nd innings of the first Test. For some reason they hardly utilize Leach. I heard he was used upfront then he was brought back against after 30 overs or so. They did the same in the first test. They over used Bashir and under used Leach.
 
zarak said:
TBH a day 7 Pakistani pitch is easier to bat on than a day 1 Indian pitch.
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Not sure what the point is, but no pitch should start deteriorating from the first hour of the play on day 1, I simply don't like that and don't think it is fair to present a surface which is a dustbowl or a minefield from the get go.
 
Caved12 said:
Not sure what the point is, but no pitch should start deteriorating from the first hour of the play on day 1, I simply don't like that and don't think it is fair to present a surface which is a dustbowl or a minefield from the get go.
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Just an observation for all the talk of a used pitch it's easier to bat on than a day one indian pitch.
 
Zahid has been a free-loader so far. Shan is absolutely clueless about getting him on the team. Whoever decided the playing 11 is not wise.
 
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