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With little break between escalating number of emergency calls, Two paramedics praying. Let this world be a peaceful place to live for ordinary people.
 
Restores faith in humanity - only people in the profession of saving lives can do this though.
 
Muslims and Jews have lived side by side for thousands of years. There is no conflict between regular Jews and regular Muslims. Conflict is at political level (Zionism).
 
I think you need a history lesson.

Jews and Muslims are peaceful with each other in the west. No conflict whatsoever in Canada.

Problem arises when Zionism gets involved.

Also, Jews and Muslims lived peacefully together during Ottoman times. Things started to get nasty After Israel happened.
 
Jews and Muslims are peaceful with each other in the west. No conflict whatsoever in Canada.

Problem arises when Zionism gets involved.

Also, Jews and Muslims lived peacefully together during Ottoman times. Things started to get nasty After Israel happened.

Right. So the massacre Banu Qurayza was peaceful? The 1033 Fez massacre in Morocco? The Granada massacre in 1066? The looting of Safed in 1834? These were all very peaceful incidents?

what about the Mawza Exile where the Imam of Yemen banished all the Jews living in the region? What about when the Almohad Caliphate took over Spain and force converted Christians and Jews to Islam.

A massacre of Jews also occurred in Baghdad in 1828. There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867. In 1839 in Persia (Allahbad Incident).

Riots, persecution and violence against Jews took place everywhere

Aleppo (1850, 1875)
Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901–07)
Beirut (1862, 1874)
Buyukdere (1864)
Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901–02)
Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891)
Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890)
Dayr al-Qamar (1847)
Edirne (1872)
Eyub (1868)
Istanbul (1870, 1874)
Izmir (1872, 1874).
Jerusalem (1847)
Kuzguncuk (1866)
Mansura (1877)
Port Said (1903, 1908)

Yes, all very peaceful and this is all religion inspired starting from Banu Qurayza. Muslims are taught to hate Jews growing up. Here is what the Hadith say about Jews:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (Sahih Muslim, 41:6985 and Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791)

The only Jewish communities that lived "peacefully" with Muslims were only those that were under Muslim rule and they enjoyed toleration and limited rights as long as they accepted Muslim superiority and the restrictions placed upon them. What restrictions you might ask? Here's a list:

-Payment of higher taxes
-Being forced to wear clothing or some other insignia distinguishing them from Muslims
-Barred from holding public office
-Barred from bearing arms or riding a horse
-Disqualified as witnesses in litigation involving Muslims
-Prevented from repairing existing or erecting new places of worship.
 
Right. So the massacre Banu Qurayza was peaceful? The 1033 Fez massacre in Morocco? The Granada massacre in 1066? The looting of Safed in 1834? These were all very peaceful incidents?

what about the Mawza Exile where the Imam of Yemen banished all the Jews living in the region? What about when the Almohad Caliphate took over Spain and force converted Christians and Jews to Islam.

A massacre of Jews also occurred in Baghdad in 1828. There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867. In 1839 in Persia (Allahbad Incident).

Riots, persecution and violence against Jews took place everywhere

Aleppo (1850, 1875)
Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901–07)
Beirut (1862, 1874)
Buyukdere (1864)
Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901–02)
Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891)
Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890)
Dayr al-Qamar (1847)
Edirne (1872)
Eyub (1868)
Istanbul (1870, 1874)
Izmir (1872, 1874).
Jerusalem (1847)
Kuzguncuk (1866)
Mansura (1877)
Port Said (1903, 1908)

Yes, all very peaceful and this is all religion inspired starting from Banu Qurayza. Muslims are taught to hate Jews growing up. Here is what the Hadith say about Jews:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (Sahih Muslim, 41:6985 and Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791)

The only Jewish communities that lived "peacefully" with Muslims were only those that were under Muslim rule and they enjoyed toleration and limited rights as long as they accepted Muslim superiority and the restrictions placed upon them. What restrictions you might ask? Here's a list:

-Payment of higher taxes
-Being forced to wear clothing or some other insignia distinguishing them from Muslims
-Barred from holding public office
-Barred from bearing arms or riding a horse
-Disqualified as witnesses in litigation involving Muslims
-Prevented from repairing existing or erecting new places of worship.

The hadith you mentioned wasn't referring to all Jews. It was referring to the Jews who would fight Muslims during end times.

Also, attack on Banu Qurayza happened for a reason. They broke the treaty and fault was with them.

Regarding other conflicts, those were isolated incidents. In general, Muslims and Jews got along fairly well between year 1000 until the date Israel was founded.
 
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On a personal level, I have no beef with the regular practicing Jews (non-hostile ones). They are ahlul qitab and I give them their due respect.

I am only against Zionism which is really not Judaism.
 
Right. So the massacre Banu Qurayza was peaceful? The 1033 Fez massacre in Morocco? The Granada massacre in 1066? The looting of Safed in 1834? These were all very peaceful incidents?

what about the Mawza Exile where the Imam of Yemen banished all the Jews living in the region? What about when the Almohad Caliphate took over Spain and force converted Christians and Jews to Islam.

A massacre of Jews also occurred in Baghdad in 1828. There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867. In 1839 in Persia (Allahbad Incident).

Riots, persecution and violence against Jews took place everywhere

Aleppo (1850, 1875)
Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901–07)
Beirut (1862, 1874)
Buyukdere (1864)
Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901–02)
Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891)
Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890)
Dayr al-Qamar (1847)
Edirne (1872)
Eyub (1868)
Istanbul (1870, 1874)
Izmir (1872, 1874).
Jerusalem (1847)
Kuzguncuk (1866)
Mansura (1877)
Port Said (1903, 1908)

Yes, all very peaceful and this is all religion inspired starting from Banu Qurayza. Muslims are taught to hate Jews growing up. Here is what the Hadith say about Jews:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Boxthorn tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (Sahih Muslim, 41:6985 and Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791)

The only Jewish communities that lived "peacefully" with Muslims were only those that were under Muslim rule and they enjoyed toleration and limited rights as long as they accepted Muslim superiority and the restrictions placed upon them. What restrictions you might ask? Here's a list:

-Payment of higher taxes
-Being forced to wear clothing or some other insignia distinguishing them from Muslims
-Barred from holding public office
-Barred from bearing arms or riding a horse
-Disqualified as witnesses in litigation involving Muslims
-Prevented from repairing existing or erecting new places of worship.
Jews unfortunately are targeted everywhere in the world for some reason even in europe during middle ages there are accounts of soul wrenching violence against tham and the excuse was related to Christianity mostly but in reality the violence was caused by economics or just a random beef so I think most of the violence against jews in Muslim world wouldn't even be because of Islam but for other things and other things that you mentioned I think falls in the same category where this was just part of the global dislike for the jews at the time, not necessarily because of religion
 
Such a lovely picture - but it seems the discussion still veering towards the 'we are better than others' type thing
 
I think you need to self isolate from the Internet.

The Banu Qurayza was a result of breach of a treaty. The punishment was carried out by the Jewish tribe that honored the treaty. Furthermore the prescribed punishment was done according to Jewish law
 
Pic in OP gives us a message of Peace.This is not about Muslim-vs-Jews religious debate. There will always be ghosts from past but love for humanity doesn't care for religious/geographical borders.
 
Jerusalem (CNN)The mourners gathered by the hundreds, packed tightly on to the evening streets of Bnei Brak. There was no social distancing -- no two meters between them -- as they made their way down the roads of this ultra-Orthodox town near Tel Aviv for the Saturday night funeral of Rabbi Tzvi Shenkar.

Despite a police presence, the crowd mingled freely, apparently unconcerned about the government restrictions on large gatherings, or the reason behind them.

As Israel has battled the spread of coronavirus, the government has imposed increasingly tighter restrictions on the public in an attempt to slow the rate of infection. As of Tuesday morning, Israel had 4,831 confirmed cases of coronavirus and 17 deaths as a result of the disease.

Though police say the majority of the public has heeded the instructions, the seriousness of the situation seems yet to have fully penetrated the ultra-Orthodox community.

More than a week earlier, an ultra-Orthodox wedding in Bet Shemesh near Jerusalem drew a crowd of 150, police said, in violation of government restrictions which limited weddings to ten people. One of those in attendance was supposed to be in quarantine, police said. He was one of three people arrested for endangering public health.

"With the ultra-religious communities, we are definitely emphasizing police units being inside and dispersing people," said police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld. "We're seeing gatherings of more than ten people which is against the law," Rosenfeld said, emphasizing instances of religious schools that have remained open, despite orders to close.

In the ongoing fight against coronavirus, the ultra-Orthodox communities have become the front line. Police officers and SWAT teams have gone into these neighborhoods, warning people of the new restrictions on public gathering and issuing tickets to those who ignore the rules. But too often, the Haredim view civil laws and restrictions as an intrusion into their conservative, strictly religious, lifestyle.
In Mea Shearim, video from Israel police showed officers showered with cries of "Nazis" and "murderers" as they made their way down the labyrinthine alleys of the insular Jerusalem neighborhood. A medical team from Magen David Adom (MDA), Israel's emergency response service, was pelted with rocks in the same neighborhood while trying to carry out a coronavirus test, a spokesman from MDA said.

Infection rates in ultra-Orthodox communities are markedly higher than the rest of the country. The ultra-Orthodox communities in Bnei Brak, Mea Shearim, and Kiryat Yearim, which lies between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, have among the highest infection rates in Israel, Rosenfeld said. A spokesman for the mayor of Bnei Brak said health officials had confirmed the town had the single highest infection rate in the entire country.

Israel's ultra-Orthodox, also known as the Haredim, make up just 14% of the country's total population but comprises a disproportionately large number of coronavirus patients. At Tel Hashomer hospital outside Tel Aviv, 60% of the coronavirus patients are ultra-Orthodox, spokesman Steve Walz tells CNN

Haredi communities routinely shun modern technology like internet and smart phones. Despite a gradual modernization movement, the community still relies on posters and signs plastered on street corners to spread important messages and news. On one corner in Mea Shearim, a sign implores the community to heed the government's instructions, saying, "Danger! Responsibility Demands," and explains who need to enter self-quarantine. But the sign was ripped apart, with the middle section torn out.

A number of signs nearby shared a very different message about a "Terrible Discovery" that the "Corona Epidemic = A Lack of Modesty."

The poster implored women and girls to dress modestly and adhere to religion according to the demands of Jewish law.

Despite outward appearances, the ultra-Orthodox community is not homogenous. Instead it is divided into many different factions and groups, each with its own rabbis and leaders. A directive from one rabbi may not hold sway over the followers of a different rabbi. Some of the groups are defiantly opposed to the existence of the state of Israel, believing it makes less likely the arrival of the Messiah. One of the most radical is known as the Jerusalem faction, which regularly organizes protests against the Israeli government. Police say it was this group that held the funeral in Bnei Brak over the weekend.

Even so, some leading ultra-Orthodox rabbis have begun to instruct their followers to obey government restrictions. Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, one of the most prominent Haredi religious leaders, warned on religious media outlets that anyone who doesn't obey the instructions of the Ministry of Health should be turned over to police.

In an extraordinary move, he even allowed ultra-Orthodox Jews to answer their phone on the Sabbath -- when use of technology and electricity are strictly forbidden -- if they're expecting results of a coronavirus test. Kanievsky's intervention was all the more remarkable because in an earlier announcement about the virus he had told his followers to continue their communal study of the Torah, in direct contradiction to government instructions.

The mayor of Bnei Brak, Avraham Rubinstein also warned the ultra-Orthodox community in no uncertain terms to "Wake Up!" in a recorded message that went out to residents via telephone. Rubinstein himself is under quarantine from the spread of coronavirus within Bnei Brak.

The phone call itself provides an illustration of one of the most difficult aspects of disseminating a message to the Haredi community -- when an entire population shuns the internet, smart phones and other modern means of communication, spreading urgent news and the latest directives is incredibly challenging.

"Inside these religious communities, they are not online and they are not using communicative systems, such as smart phone and televisions," said Micky Rosenfeld. "They don't exist inside these neighborhoods."

Mayor Rubinstein followed up his recorded warning with an interview Monday morning on a Haredi radio station, saying "Bnei Brak has done, is doing, and will do, everything to prevent people gathering and to do everything the Ministry of Health instructs." But he acknowledged the town had little power to close private religious institutions that refused to comply.

"We're in a war," Moti Ravid, head of the Mayanei Hayeshua hospital in Bnei Brak, told public broadcaster Kan on Sunday. "I warned a month ago that there would be a catastrophe in the city if they did not stop the gatherings and close the synagogues and the yeshivas, and everyone yelled at me, 'How dare you?'"

"Today, they say, 'It's a pity we didn't listen to you then.'"

In the face of an epidemic that is decidedly worse in one specific community, the government has contemplated quarantining the ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods.

On Army Radio Sunday morning, Ministry of Health Director-General Moshe Bar Siman Tov said officials were looking into the possibility. "We are checking this," said Siman Tov. "If we get to the conclusion that this will be an effective step, we will recommend it."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/31/middleeast/israel-coronavirus-ultra-orthodox-intl/index.html
 
Same God but praying while facing different directions :/
 
Jews and Muslims are peaceful with each other in the west. No conflict whatsoever in Canada.

Problem arises when Zionism gets involved.

Also, Jews and Muslims lived peacefully together during Ottoman times. Things started to get nasty After Israel happened.
thats. not true. jews have never lived peacefully under muslim or christian. never as equals and on many instances treated very badly.
 
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