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Champions Trophy 2025: Josh Inglis stars with 120* as Australia smash 356/5 to defeat England (351/8) by 5 wickets to win Match 4

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IMMY69 said:
Sorry mate but why bother with bowling skills when it's so one sided...
No pace, bounce, movement or spin..

I really don't find this entertaining..
I also don't think it was close... after 25 overs Aussies were literally coasting
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It's all subjective.

You're right that balanced games are ideal but the second priority has to be a finish that goes to the end. This was close enough and could have been even closer if England had taken their opportunities.

For example, yesterday's game had a lower score but it was over quickly making it not as entertaining.
 
Something needs to be done with the dew. It's just a factor that kills entertainment
 
Rana said:
Ok.

Sangha shouldn’t have been in the 15 I recon. Connolly should have

But who am I to tell the Aussies anything? They are a champion side, they know what they are doing
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Well yeah, their the only team which still sees something in Jake fraser.

Pakistan would have dropped him for Abdullah shafique
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You have to score extra runs when you bat first. England had a wimpy finish
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The thing is that often in the first innings the pitch is sluggish when the ball gets a bit old. Maybe as an equalizer the batting team should get ten overs where they get to bat with a wet ball.

Im just thinking out loud of course, but the conditions are just not the same when dew kicks in.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
The thing is that often in the first innings the pitch is sluggish when the ball gets a bit old. Maybe as an equalizer the batting team should get ten overs where they get to bat with a wet ball.

Im just thinking out loud of course, but the conditions are just not the same when dew kicks in.
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Ashwin before 2023 world cup came up with a suggestion. Starting the match a 2 hours earlier.
 
Thanks for the entertainment australia and England.

Enjoy the game without any pressure as no one is my favourite team's .

:kp
 
Rana said:
And then cried like they are doing now about being incapable of playing modern cricket
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I still don't get why Abdullah, Imam, Babar, Rizwan can't evolve their game.

If pcb is adamant on playing them, then why can't they themselves have the conscious to play in such a fashion?
 
Buttler, McCullum, Duckett and Root statements over the last few days.

"Results in India dont matter"
"Pakistani conditions are different"
" We don't play List A cricket "
" We haven't played together as a group "

Yeah, no. You suck at ODI cricket. Short and simple
 
I think the turning point in the England innings was Butlers dismissal and promoting Carse ahead of Archer. 350 is the new 250. England were about 30-40 runs short, having said that, Australia batted beautifully against a complete bowling attack really, it’s challenging for bowlers in the second innings so they need to maximise the PP’s and bat really big to have plenty of margin.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Buttler, McCullum, Duckett and Root statements over the last few days.

"Results in India dont matter"
"Pakistani conditions are different"
" We don't play List A cricket "
" We haven't played together as a group "

Yeah, no. You suck at ODI cricket. Short and simple
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England would still demolish Pakistan though lol. Brother you always give pk too much credit.

It was always gonna be fakhar/saim or bust.
 
shaz619 said:
I think the turning point in the England innings was Butlers dismissal and promoting Carse ahead of Archer. 350 is the new 250. England were about 30-40 runs short, having said that, Australia batted beautifully against a complete bowling attack really, it’s challenging for bowlers in the second innings so they need to maximise the PP’s and bat really big to have plenty of margin.
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Only in Pakistan pitches 350 is the new 250.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Buttler, McCullum, Duckett and Root statements over the last few days.

"Results in India dont matter"
"Pakistani conditions are different"
" We don't play List A cricket "
" We haven't played together as a group "

Yeah, no. You suck at ODI cricket. Short and simple
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Buckett said something like beating India in semi final will cancel the series loss. At this rate they won't even go past first round.
 
mominsaigol said:
I still don't get why Abdullah, Imam, Babar, Rizwan can't evolve their game.

If pcb is adamant on playing them, then why can't they themselves have the conscious to play in such a fashion?
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Evolution means attempt to change. This could include failure when trying to be something better than what you already are. This could lead to being dropped. This means that the juicy pay outs monthly from the PCB are at risk.

Poor people who have this one shot to end their poverty cannot afford to evolve.
 
That was some run chase by Australia. This Champions Trophy has become alive with this high scoring entertaining game.

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BDfanforever said:
Only in Pakistan pitches 350 is the new 250.
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Maybe, but I think I got my England cap on and I feel 350 is the bare minimum in most countries these days / what you should target. England’s lower order really fumbled here….should have got 400 really, disappointed with Livingstone.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Lol.no they are not still a minnow team vs spin will never forget how they lost to minnow sri lankan side against their spinners looked like a associate team.
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Aqib bhai you seem like a sincere fan of Pakistan cricket.

It’s ok. You will understand the game more maybe if you watch it for another 10 years.
 
mominsaigol said:
England would still demolish Pakistan though lol. Brother you always give pk too much credit.

It was always gonna be fakhar/saim or bust.
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Why take a dig at pakistan here australia will surrender vs spinners this australian team i got no doubt on my mind still remember how they lost vs a minnow team like sri lanka just pure minnow vs spin india will eat them alive with their three spinners.
 
Rana said:
Evolution means attempt to change. This could include failure when trying to be something better than what you already are. This could lead to being dropped. This means that the juicy pay outs monthly from the PCB are at risk.

Poor people who have this one shot to end their poverty cannot afford to evolve.
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But it's not just about poverty from a players perspective.

Look at the majority of our fans? Daytrader, major, heddie, mamoon( van goh arc heel turn), rizwanthet20champ(he's a troll tbf), bilal and many others.

Their all actively promoting the whole accumulative stat padding rubbish.
 
shaz619 said:
Maybe, but I think I got my England cap on and I feel 350 is the bare minimum in most countries these days / what you should target. England’s lower order really fumbled here….should have got 400 really, disappointed with Livingstone.
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Oh yeah I watched them 200-2 at 30 overs and thought 400 was on for England. Woke up to see them get bowled out for 350.
 
mominsaigol said:
England would still demolish Pakistan
though lol. Brother you always give pk
too much credit.

It was always gonna be fakhar/saim or bust.
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It's just a quirk. Pakistan have always struggled against England. Even in 2000-2007 , when England were probably the weakest ODI team going around , they somehow used to compete with very strong Pakistan teams.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Buckett said something like beating India in semi final will cancel the series loss. At this rate they won't even go past first round.
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Probably last tournament for Butler as a captain - atrocious captaincy (this shouldn't have been this easy)
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Why take a dig at pakistan here australia will surrender vs spinners this australian team i got no doubt on my mind still remember how they lost vs a minnow team like sri lanka just pure minnow vs spin india will eat them alive with their three spinners.
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Theirs a big difference between Australia in bi laterals and Australia in icc events.

In bi laterals vs Pakistan they couldn't catch for the life of em, they dropped like all their catches, it was like watching azam Khan field. Yet here their next to perfect.

Whether they win ct or not is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that they came to Pakistan foreign soil with a b team and look at how their playing vs look at how Pakistan is playing?

So far it seems that sides like aus and NZ are playing on home soil and Pakistan is the foreigner.
 
England were 30 runs short today. This was a 380sh pitch for a good batting team.

I felt from the beginning that England maintained a very healthy run rate without even trying that hard. I never felt entertained during the entire English inning when the effortlessly scored 350 runs because guess what it wasn’t a big deal to score 350 on this surface.
 
mominsaigol said:
But it's not just about poverty from a players perspective.

Look at the majority of our fans? Daytrader, major, heddie, mamoon( van goh arc heel turn), rizwanthet20champ(he's a troll tbf), bilal and many others.

Their all actively promoting the whole accumulative stat padding rubbish.
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I can’t speak for them bro. I can only try to make sense of it from a player’s pov. They know they are decades behind and something is dropping them from evolving. This is one of the key stumbling blocks in my understanding.

As for these guys you mentioned. I suppose it’s just that cult like mentality you have for one person that you admire and must defend at all costs. Misbah was projected as the Lord Saviour by this lot. Van Gough’s case is a bit different but he too is also a Misbah-holic, you will see it in his posts. Another one is MMHS, he’s done in the heads of most of these guys here too.
 
Bhaijaan said:
England were 30 runs short today. This was a 380sh pitch for a good batting team.

I felt from the beginning that England maintained a very healthy run rate without even trying that hard. I never felt entertained during the entire English inning when the effortlessly scored 350 runs because guess what it wasn’t a big deal to score 350 on this surface.
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Glen philips against this rubbish bowling would have scored 150.
 
Rana said:
Aqib bhai you seem like a sincere fan of Pakistan cricket.

It’s ok. You will understand the game more maybe if you watch it for another 10 years.
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The country is a failed state and the PCB set up is designed to feed the mercenaries the leftovers, cricket results are secondary
 
mominsaigol said:
Theirs a big difference between Australia in bi laterals and Australia in icc events.

In bi laterals vs Pakistan they couldn't catch for the life of em, they dropped like all their catches, it was like watching azam Khan field. Yet here their next to perfect.

Whether they win ct or not is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that they came to Pakistan foreign soil with a b team and look at how their playing vs look at how Pakistan is playing?

So far it seems that sides like aus and NZ are playing on home soil and Pakistan is the foreigner.
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Ya i get that bro but dont you think their game vs spin is really bad i mean to be frank with you they are minnow vs spin india will thrash them with their spinners and australia only have one spinner where as india will have 30 overs of spin.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It's just a quirk. Pakistan have always struggled against England. Even in 2000-2007 , when England were probably the weakest ODI team going around , they somehow used to compete with very strong Pakistan teams.
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My point is that people made the same mistake that they did in 2023 where they judged Pakistan based of bi laterals.

But the truth is NZ series vs their c team was a 3-2 affair in favour of NZ but no one could have predicted a fakhar galore smash of 102 and 180. Nz c team only botched the 3rd and 4th odi tbh.

Afterwards fakhar didn't play wc until Pakistan were eliminated. They beat NZ but let's be honest, Pakistan even if they batted first weren't going to make 600 against England lol.

Same case with aus and sa. Aus didn't care and people forget that saim made a huge difference. Pakistan was behind the rr in the first game and rr was creeping. Saim's 6,6,4 brought it down. Knowing pk they would have botched it. Then in the 2nd odi Pakistan were like 63 for 4, but saim struck a century. Sa only genuinely lost 1 odi, otherwise it was 2-1 in says favour.

No saim, and no fakhar means Pakistan is toast. Their pacers are not as good as people believe them to be, neither are their spinners ans their batting is a joke minus 2 left handers who mask how poor the side truly is.

So it's not a gimmick this time around. England genuinely is superior even if they themselves are pathetic in odi.
 
Since 2019, succesful 350 + chases have happened only twice and both happened in Pakistan

Flattest pitches in the world :danish
 
mominsaigol said:
My point is that people made the same mistake that they did in 2023 where they judged Pakistan based of bi laterals.

But the truth is NZ series vs their c team was a 3-2 affair in favour of NZ but no one could have predicted a fakhar galore smash of 102 and 180. Nz c team only botched the 3rd and 4th odi tbh.

Afterwards fakhar didn't play wc until Pakistan were eliminated. They beat NZ but let's be honest, Pakistan even if they batted first weren't going to make 600 against England lol.

Same case with aus and sa. Aus didn't care and people forget that saim made a huge difference. Pakistan was behind the rr in the first game and rr was creeping. Saim's 6,6,4 brought it down. Knowing pk they would have botched it. Then in the 2nd odi Pakistan were like 63 for 4, but saim struck a century. Sa only genuinely lost 1 odi, otherwise it was 2-1 in says favour.

No saim, and no fakhar means Pakistan is toast. Their pacers are not as good as people believe them to be, neither are their spinners ans their batting is a joke minus 2 left handers who mask how poor the side truly is.

So it's not a gimmick this time around. England genuinely is superior even if they themselves are pathetic in odi.
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Also, I only rated a Pakistan side with both Saim and Fakhar in it. Without them, it's not that good obviously.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It's just a quirk. Pakistan have always struggled against England. Even in 2000-2007 , when England were probably the weakest ODI team going around , they somehow used to compete with very strong Pakistan teams.
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I don’t know man, different format, but for every rained out game in England, Sky Sports always put on the highlights for England’s glorious triumph in the dark of Karachi in 2000; it is engraved in our minds here like the WC win of 1992 for Pakistan fans, it’s like a part of the national curriculum and the best thing since sliced bread.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Ya i get that bro but dont you think their game vs spin is really bad i mean to be frank with you they are minnow vs spin india will thrash them with their spinners and australia only have one spinner where as india will have 30 overs of spin.
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It doesn't matter if they win or not or if their poor in certain conditons.

Their playing with a b team. The expectations of their fans was that Australia would lose all their games while Pakistan was fabourites in ct.

If you don't believe me, revisit some recent threads. People believed Pakistan would win even after they found out that saim was injured while everyone believed aus would lose.

For a b team to chase the highest ever total in lahore while the host nation got folded by NZ 3x in a row is embarrassing to say the least.

Aus in their own home den would never allow that to happen unless the team is really strong like India or SA(at peak)

Their own dens are bilo bounce and you can tell their great players of the short ball and backfoot.

Pakistan on the other hand don't even understand their own conditons.
 
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