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Just read a report at
https://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1104656734&Issue=NP_KHI&Date=20171022

Key points:

PCB is starting U-19 Pentagular tournament from October 30.

There will be 5 teams: Sindh, Punjab, Baluchistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhuwa and Federal Areas.

For each team 15 players have been selected. So total 75 players will participate in the tournament.

Chief selector Inzimam's son Ibtisam-ul-Haq has been selected for the Federal Areas team while some players who performed better than Ibtisam-ul-Haq in U-19 One day tournament and U-19 Three day tournament have not been selected.


Is it true?
 
Inzi has proven to be nepotistic by selecting Imam for this series despite his nephew having a mediocre record, inferior to other cricketers who could have been tried as openers.
 
CricFan2012 said:
Inzi has proven to be nepotistic by selecting Imam for this series despite his nephew having a mediocre record, inferior to other cricketers who could have been tried as openers.
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But he scored a hundred on debut. It was not a bad choice
 
It's not as bad as Junaid Zia being selected and then playing for Pakistan.

At least these players have potential to do well.
 
Inzi's family is blessed with talent!
 
He actually did well in the under 19 district tournament for Lahore, It’s not like he’s completely useless like Arsal Sheikh
 
Both Imam and Ibtesam have had a very good coach. Pak is blessed to have them. Obviously they will have to do well consistently to get into the team or stay in the team.

Very excited about their potential for Pak in the near future.
 
Anis10 said:
He actually did well in the under 19 district tournament for Lahore, It’s not like he’s completely useless like Arsal Sheikh
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I watched Arsal Sheikh bowl. I think in a crucial u-19 game against Srilanka. He isn't as awful as everyone makes out. Took a crucial wicket when the game was looking in a very bad state. Still one could see the captain didn't really trust him beyond making him bowl a minimum number of overs.

It's too early to judge if Ibtisam is or is not good enough.

And Inzamam should be trusted instead of these allegations. For example, England lost out a lot because their Chief Selector Mickey Stewart was very reluctant to pick his son, and so Alec Stewart started his career very late.
 
Cant believe Inzimam is being targetted like this. I trust him to select people on merit. I am excited to hear about his son being a cricketer.
 
Bhai around these parts we like Inzi the revolutionary so all his decisions are hailed and justified.

Replace Inzi with anyone else and all of PP will go looking for their pitchforks.
 
Now I can see why Inzi accepted or pushed for chief selector role, there is a personal reason for that. Not just Bathaja but beta too :srini

In general there is nothing wrong for doc son to be doc or politician son/kids to be politician. But I worry in medium to long term, this will leads to issues, as there are only 11-15 members in national squad, conflict of interest is inevitable.
 
Rana said:
But he scored a hundred on debut. It was not a bad choice
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I'm against his selection which is not on merit at all even though he scored a hundred because he is known to be a very slow player in the domestic cricket those who have followed him know he is a very very slow player just like Sami Aslam. I would not have mind his selection if it was for test format but ODIs which these days require dynamic batsmen selecting Imam was definitely not on merit.
 
I don't trust Inzamam, but I won't write his son off before he is given a chance. However, this certainly has a nepotistic feel to it.
 
Rana said:
Look if Inzi is cheif selector, is he supposed to not select his family members?
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Everyone was crying how our batting line up is not suited to modern day requirements for limited overs cricket and Inzi replaces Azhar Ali with someone who is even slower for a series in UAE against worst ODI side these days? The only logic behind this selection is he was his nephew.
 
I trust inzi not to be biased. In fact his son is legend in the making. Nowadays people target anyone and everyone especially fans on forums
 
Mamoon said:
I don't trust Inzamam, but I won't write his son off before he is given a chance. However, this certainly has a nepotistic feel to it.
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inzi itni achi shakal bana k phir b ghalat kam kar raha ha,,he has done many decision wrong so i feel he did it again.
 
Inzi at it again. Clear nepotism.
 
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sounds nepotistic. Look, he may have some talent, as does his nephew, but the question is - if Imam wasn't his nephew, would he still have been selected? Probably not, or at least not as quickly as he has been selected. The record didn't justify it, and he was picked on the basis of one quality first class season.
 
Just take 5 minutes and read the report.
It says that ruhail nazir has the backing of shakeel sheikh thats why he is being specially treated.

come on yar Ruhail is the future of pakistan team. These reporters dont understand this thing.
 
Inevitable Shan Masood Faisal Iqbal Imran Farhat Imam Ul Haq and others? are all questionable selections based on FC performances without selectors who are relatives would any of them been selected?
 
Mamoon said:
I don't trust Inzamam, but I won't write his son off before he is given a chance. However, this certainly has a nepotistic feel to it.
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Bang average - spent 15 minutes on U19 LO & 3 day stats.

Poor in batting (average 31 in 3 day; 14 in LO), didn't bowl a single ball in any tournament (and doesn't look like he keeps, and if he inherits fitness gin, I am sure doesn't field much either). In a 5 team competition, 5 X 6 = 30 specialist batsmen can get a chance, I take 35; still doesn't make it, among top 50 in either tournament.

In hierarchy 55th in 3 day and 115th in LO highest run scorers table and at U19 level, apart from WK, he is among few cricketers who hasn't bowled a single ball. AND, he has played almost every game for Lahore Blues U19 and has played as opener, so I ignored the average table but the volume table shows, he is first CS's son, later cricketer, otherwise won't make even gully teams of Lahore.

Someone, please send this post to the pious man.........
 
MMHS said:
Bang average - spent 15 minutes on U19 LO & 3 day stats.

Poor in batting (average 31 in 3 day; 14 in LO), didn't bowl a single ball in any tournament (and doesn't look like he keeps, and if he inherits fitness gin, I am sure doesn't field much either). In a 5 team competition, 5 X 6 = 30 specialist batsmen can get a chance, I take 35; still doesn't make it, among top 50 in either tournament.

In hierarchy 55th in 3 day and 115th in LO highest run scorers table and at U19 level, apart from WK, he is among few cricketers who hasn't bowled a single ball. AND, he has played almost every game for Lahore Blues U19 and has played as opener, so I ignored the average table but the volume table shows, he is first CS's son, later cricketer, otherwise won't make even gully teams of Lahore.

Someone, please send this post to the pious man.........
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How many games has he played?
What was his batting number?
How many balls he faced?
 
Can we get stats for the players left out?

Who were these better players?

It's fine to suggest a selection was unfair but it should come with proof.
 
Is ibtisam that little kid who was in inzis arms when he retired back in multan
 
MMHS said:
Easy, if you have the list of players drafted ..

http://www.pcb.com.pk/averages-repo...by=total_runs&sort_order=desc&match_type_id=4

http://www.pcb.com.pk/averages-repo...by=total_runs&sort_order=desc&match_type_id=6
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http://www.pcb.com.pk/averages-repo...g_averages&tournament_id=1103&match_type_id=5

6th in this list, averaging 122.75 in 7 innings including 3 centuries and 2 half-centuries. Have seen him grow over the years into a technically solid batsman, his temperament is really good. Has performed really well at school-level cricket, he is the captain of the Aitchison College cricket team. Granted that domestic and inter-district is more competitive, players like Hassan Khan, Ammad Alam and Hassan Mohsin have come through the same route. Agree that it is hard to avoid skepticism when his father is the one calling all the shots, but he should be treated and viewed the same way one would treat any other player.
 
Mustafamq said:
http://www.pcb.com.pk/averages-repo...g_averages&tournament_id=1103&match_type_id=5

6th in this list, averaging 122.75 in 7 innings including 3 centuries and 2 half-centuries. Have seen him grow over the years into a technically solid batsman, his temperament is really good. Has performed really well at school-level cricket, he is the captain of the Aitchison College cricket team. Granted that domestic and inter-district is more competitive, players like Hassan Khan, Ammad Alam and Hassan Mohsin have come through the same route. Agree that it is hard to avoid skepticism when his father is the one calling all the shots, but he should be treated and viewed the same way one would treat any other player.
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Did not expect nepotism from Inzi.

He may have lower IQ, but does not seem to be corrupt in any way
 
Mustafamq said:
http://www.pcb.com.pk/averages-repo...g_averages&tournament_id=1103&match_type_id=5

6th in this list, averaging 122.75 in 7 innings including 3 centuries and 2 half-centuries. Have seen him grow over the years into a technically solid batsman, his temperament is really good. Has performed really well at school-level cricket, he is the captain of the Aitchison College cricket team. Granted that domestic and inter-district is more competitive, players like Hassan Khan, Ammad Alam and Hassan Mohsin have come through the same route. Agree that it is hard to avoid skepticism when his father is the one calling all the shots, but he should be treated and viewed the same way one would treat any other player.
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with this performance he can easily get selected in 75 even without inzi.
 
When Inzi can select his nephew with 36 average, he'll make sure his son is in the team with average in the 20s. Others less-connected, less-fortunate but talented and performing youngsters should just accept the system of 'beghairti'. 'Conflict of interest' is in the regulations but never implemented in Pak.
Inzimam did alot of damage as captain, Pakistan did'nt win a single tour but he kept the captaincy as well as say on selections. Post-retirement, he was part of the coup against Younis Khan the planning that took place in his house. In ICL also he was accused leading Lahore badshahs.

Even with all of his successes Inzi should be kept 1 km away from NCA. This is why I wish Mickey Arthur plays a more assertive role despite of all his issues. Only the best will be selected whoever they are. Sarfraz-Arthur should have a seat in selection cmmte.. otherwise disband it and for sake of compromise give employment towhole of Inzi family including his wife as manager of womens team, minus him.
 
what if his son becomes another babar or another MOYO or his father himself... Its u-19 lets see how he plays first..can say nepotistic but cant write him off without a chance given..
 
It's not like Inzi's kid and the nephew just got out of bed and decided they want have a go at international cricket, they are professionals who have been groomed from a young age.
 
I think people are over reacting::::
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His average and highest score looks pretty good
 
MenInG said:
Inzi's family is blessed with talent!
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So is that a reason for selecting players? or should it be done on merit?

Am sure the Masood family is blessed with talent as well ;)
 
I can't wait until the day Misbah's son makes it to the U-19 team. Oh boy. :shaq
 
Nothing wrong with it. The kid averaged 100+ with 3 centuries so don't see what's wrong with him being in one of these squads.
 
Its nepotism if the player in question clearly doesn't have any ability or talent. This guy though looking at his stats and the profile posted in #35 has performances to justify his selection. Nepotism is a big issue in Pakistan but let's not allege it when its not merited.
 
If that tournament/season is what selection was based on, it would be scandalous if he WASN'T selected.

If he's scored 450 runs with 3 dismissals in his age-group tournaments, obviously he is good enough to play regional age group.
 
Going by the stats posted in post 42 I would cry injustice if he wasn't selected in any of the squads.
 
Do people even know what nepotism is? Certain posters have been repeating the word since Imam got selected while being totally unaware that Imam has been on the fringes for a while and probably would have gotten a go much earlier. Pakistani fans usually have no clue and start beating the drums without even finding out anything.
 
Anis10 said:
He actually did well in the under 19 district tournament for Lahore, It’s not like he’s completely useless like Arsal Sheikh
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this thread confirms that:

nepotism is not bad because it promotes the absolutely least deserving; it is bad because it prevents us from knowing anymore who is the most deserving.
 
According to the OP a total of 75 players were to be selected. I think people need to keep that in mind before making assumptions. He is just 1 out of 75 and we also don't know if inzi selected all the 75 players or if each team had their pick.
 
I think, I need to explain a bit - it's just U19, so no big deal, but any discussion should be completed.

I am not sure if posters praising his Inter District stats has much idea about the tournaments in PAK. Inter Region is played between 18 teams - ideally better performers from Inter District should be filtered to the higher tier - Inter District has 101 teams ............... Instead of judging by the higher tier, bringing Inter District stats are like judging Ahmed Shehzad based on his National List A stats, rather than ODI stats. The kid, played well at district level, so selected to Regional level, where he failed measurably - now, he is selected to another tier higher at National level - it's 101>18>5; obviously he doesn't merit selection from the stats. It's a naive point to say 1 out of 75, because cricket squad is not all about 15 specialist batsmen - the kid doesn't deserve to be among top 35 batsman on stats; I don't know other factors.

I can explain the vast difference between his 2 sets of stats. In a country like PAK (Or South Asia), where basic sports infrastructure is so poor that at junior level 99.99% kids don't get even decent chance to play & show their talent. In that environment, this kid was born to Inzamam Ul Haq, one of the best ever batsman & PAK captain - it's like Prince William in cricket world, ok may be prince Harry. He was born in an affluent cricket culture which gave him a head start early in career - at U16/U19 level that's massive handicap for bashing lower tier of talent pool, but found out at the highest level, because probably the kid isn't that good.

The closest similar example I can give is Sajid Hasan, son of Raqibul Hasan. His father was a stalwart of BD cricket, National Captain for a decade, coach, selector, administrator, organizer, sponsor what not in BCB? He availed his son best possible facilities - training with International starts at club from teen, gym, diet, private coaching, specialized conditioning camps, above all personal mentoring; even they had practice nets at back yard. Sajid was a phenomenon in school & club cricket - bullying boys who had to carry his kit bags, for a little touch of his imported British made gears; but he couldn't keep his spot even in Dhaka League clubs for more than 1/2 years once became professional cricketer. Similar example I can give will 3/4 sons of Abdul Qadir - all of them played for PAK juniors, fast tracked to Corporate teams like NBP, Lahore ... in couple of years time, where is Rehman, Imran, Sulman or Usman? Same I can say for Shehzar Mohammad - guy practices lot and his father, grandpa backed him to their limit, that kept him in PIA team for almost a decade for his 18 average as specialist opening batsman ......

In Bollywood, almost every star has brought their kids to the business, so it's not unique in cricket only. Can't say if this kid is good or bad, but hope that he is more close to Ranvir Kapoor than Tushar Kapoor.
 
Mustafamq said:
http://www.pcb.com.pk/averages-repo...g_averages&tournament_id=1103&match_type_id=5

6th in this list, averaging 122.75 in 7 innings including 3 centuries and 2 half-centuries. Have seen him grow over the years into a technically solid batsman, his temperament is really good. Has performed really well at school-level cricket, he is the captain of the Aitchison College cricket team. Granted that domestic and inter-district is more competitive, players like Hassan Khan, Ammad Alam and Hassan Mohsin have come through the same route. Agree that it is hard to avoid skepticism when his father is the one calling all the shots, but he should be treated and viewed the same way one would treat any other player.
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ammar_merry said:
with this performance he can easily get selected in 75 even without inzi.
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Shafi said:
I think people are over reacting::::
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His average and highest score looks pretty good
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Arham_PakFan said:
Then that is not bad at all!He deserves to be given a go.
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Boi said:
Nothing wrong with it. The kid averaged 100+ with 3 centuries so don't see what's wrong with him being in one of these squads.
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Markhor said:
Its nepotism if the player in question clearly doesn't have any ability or talent. This guy though looking at his stats and the profile posted in #35 has performances to justify his selection. Nepotism is a big issue in Pakistan but let's not allege it when its not merited.
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another drop catch said:
I am surprised by this claim
this kid performed fairly but people find nepotism in this
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CricketAnalyst said:
If that tournament/season is what selection was based on, it would be scandalous if he WASN'T selected.

If he's scored 450 runs with 3 dismissals in his age-group tournaments, obviously he is good enough to play regional age group.
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Fahdi said:
Going by the stats posted in post 42 I would cry injustice if he wasn't selected in any of the squads.
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New Yorker said:
this thread confirms that:

nepotism is not bad because it promotes the absolutely least deserving; it is bad because it prevents us from knowing anymore who is the most deserving.
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The news report in OP is about his performance in U-19 One day tournament and U-19 Three day tournament.
Not sure if it is the same as Regional Inter District U-19 Tournament as mentioned in post #41.
 
srh said:
The news report in OP is about his performance in U-19 One day tournament and U-19 Three day tournament.
Not sure if it is the same as Regional Inter District U-19 Tournament as mentioned in post #41.
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Would help if those calling it nepotism explained why they think his performances (in whatever tournament) were poor and/or explain the difference in these tournaments vs others.
 
MMHS said:
I think, I need to explain a bit - it's just U19, so no big deal, but any discussion should be completed.

I am not sure if posters praising his Inter District stats has much idea about the tournaments in PAK. Inter Region is played between 18 teams - ideally better performers from Inter District should be filtered to the higher tier - Inter District has 101 teams ............... Instead of judging by the higher tier, bringing Inter District stats are like judging Ahmed Shehzad based on his National List A stats, rather than ODI stats. The kid, played well at district level, so selected to Regional level, where he failed measurably - now, he is selected to another tier higher at National level - it's 101>18>5; obviously he doesn't merit selection from the stats. It's a naive point to say 1 out of 75, because cricket squad is not all about 15 specialist batsmen - the kid doesn't deserve to be among top 35 batsman on stats; I don't know other factors.

I can explain the vast difference between his 2 sets of stats. In a country like PAK (Or South Asia), where basic sports infrastructure is so poor that at junior level 99.99% kids don't get even decent chance to play & show their talent. In that environment, this kid was born to Inzamam Ul Haq, one of the best ever batsman & PAK captain - it's like Prince William in cricket world, ok may be prince Harry. He was born in an affluent cricket culture which gave him a head start early in career - at U16/U19 level that's massive handicap for bashing lower tier of talent pool, but found out at the highest level, because probably the kid isn't that good.

The closest similar example I can give is Sajid Hasan, son of Raqibul Hasan. His father was a stalwart of BD cricket, National Captain for a decade, coach, selector, administrator, organizer, sponsor what not in BCB? He availed his son best possible facilities - training with International starts at club from teen, gym, diet, private coaching, specialized conditioning camps, above all personal mentoring; even they had practice nets at back yard. Sajid was a phenomenon in school & club cricket - bullying boys who had to carry his kit bags, for a little touch of his imported British made gears; but he couldn't keep his spot even in Dhaka League clubs for more than 1/2 years once became professional cricketer. Similar example I can give will 3/4 sons of Abdul Qadir - all of them played for PAK juniors, fast tracked to Corporate teams like NBP, Lahore ... in couple of years time, where is Rehman, Imran, Sulman or Usman? Same I can say for Shehzar Mohammad - guy practices lot and his father, grandpa backed him to their limit, that kept him in PIA team for almost a decade for his 18 average as specialist opening batsman ......

In Bollywood, almost every star has brought their kids to the business, so it's not unique in cricket only. Can't say if this kid is good or bad, but hope that he is more close to Ranvir Kapoor than Tushar Kapoor.
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Look I think instead of this long exposition on Sajid Hasan and Usman Qadir and Arsal Sheikh etc, people should treat each case individually. Lots of people have been given chances when their performances did not merit it.

Including, but not limited to, Ajinkya Rahane (ODI), Steve Smith (see his first 50 ODIs stats to see what I mean), Umar Amin, Asad Shafiq (ODI) etc.

In addition, 99% of U15 and 90% of U19 players won't make it eventually simply as a matter of mathematics. Nothing unsual that a player thought to be talented couldn't make it further. And just because many such players have been given chance doesn't mean it was always nepotism.

Identifying talent is an inexact science, and so it makes no sense to just keep saying it's nepotism or corruption every time some player's son is selected for a junior team. It's a family profession, so it's unsually likely that a second generation guy will have more practice/better guidance and good facilities because his father made money by being a top professional etc. So it won't in the end be surprising if they are much better than the average person.

Until there is some documented record of someone playing very poorly and still getting selection this is an unfair accusation.
 
At the end of the day this chief selector is the same guy that selected a champions trophy winning squad and a squad that can be considered one of the best in the world. His nephew got a hundred on debut so can't say he's not good enough to deserve to play. He will obviously have selected his son because he thinks he's good enough.
 
htariq25 said:
At the end of the day this chief selector is the same guy that selected a champions trophy winning squad and a squad that can be considered one of the best in the world. His nephew got a hundred on debut so can't say he's not good enough to deserve to play. He will obviously have selected his son because he thinks he's good enough.
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Just to clarify is Inzamam even the person who selected the squads for u-19 regional cricket? Or is the assumption that whoever was in charge did this for him?
 
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