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Romali_rotti said:
My gut feeling is that Abhinandan missed the target and he hit the trees, there might have been a few human casualties which could have been normal civilians along with the trees, not the folks Indians intended to hit.
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Your gut feeling is wrong....

on Feb 26th IndianAF Mirage 2000s lobbed spice bombs from a standoff range (it has more than 60 km range) and missed spectacularly. An aerial delivered bomb that can leave a building intact and kill people inside only exists in South Indian pseudo scifi movies where the hero kills 20 people with a banana :P

Please read this detailed analysis by Australian researchers published shortly after the attack. They used independent satellite imagery to confirm so there is no excuse that Pak Army did not allow anyone to go to the site.
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/indias-strike-on-balakot-a-very-precise-miss/

On the morning of Feb 27th PAF retaliated in broad daylight. 4x Mirages & 2x JF17s went inside Occupied Kashmir and bombed (next to) 1 Brigade HQ, 1 munitions depot and 4x other Military targets with H4 and REKs respectively. The targets were intentionally selected nearby just to show PAF's resolve and capabilities but not to cause mass carnage since we had already ascertained that the IAF strikes had been a failure. Had IAF actually caused casualties, the result of PAF retaliation would have been totally different.

Now the strike package was challenged by 2 x Mirage 2000, 2 x Su30, 5x Mig21 Bisons. On the other side we had 6 x F16s and 6x JF17 on fighter sweep duties (Over watch) inside Pak airspace backed by EW & AEW platforms. The EW aircraft completely jammed IAF comms. F16s engaged the Su30s first and shot it down with a long range AMRAAM shot. Afterwards both Mirages were heard saying that they are disengaging due to radar malfunction!. The SU30's wingman also made a figure 8 and bugged out. Out of the 5 Mig21s , nando stumbled blindly (comms and radar completely jammed) inside the fighter sweep range and was shot down. His plane's wreckage had all 4 missiles either on the rails or in the wreckage confirming he never even got a chance to fire his R73 at the F16s as claimed by the Indian Airforce.
Only thing India shot down was a certain Mi17 hurriedly sent for Search and Rescue operation.

People keep talking about the aerial engagement, nobody talks about the strike package going in unchallenged in one of the most contentious and hot zones and executing a text book stand off strike... :)

Below is a very well balanced write up of what actually happened. Please also read the FAQs :)

http://kaiser-aeronaut.blogspot.com/2019/06/
 
cric_man said:
Your gut feeling is wrong....

on Feb 26th IndianAF Mirage 2000s lobbed spice bombs from a standoff range (it has more than 60 km range) and missed spectacularly. An aerial delivered bomb that can leave a building intact and kill people inside only exists in South Indian pseudo scifi movies where the hero kills 20 people with a banana :P

Please read this detailed analysis by Australian researchers published shortly after the attack. They used independent satellite imagery to confirm so there is no excuse that Pak Army did not allow anyone to go to the site.
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/indias-strike-on-balakot-a-very-precise-miss/

On the morning of Feb 27th PAF retaliated in broad daylight. 4x Mirages & 2x JF17s went inside Occupied Kashmir and bombed (next to) 1 Brigade HQ, 1 munitions depot and 4x other Military targets with H4 and REKs respectively. The targets were intentionally selected nearby just to show PAF's resolve and capabilities but not to cause mass carnage since we had already ascertained that the IAF strikes had been a failure. Had IAF actually caused casualties, the result of PAF retaliation would have been totally different.

Now the strike package was challenged by 2 x Mirage 2000, 2 x Su30, 5x Mig21 Bisons. On the other side we had 6 x F16s and 6x JF17 on fighter sweep duties (Over watch) inside Pak airspace backed by EW & AEW platforms. The EW aircraft completely jammed IAF comms. F16s engaged the Su30s first and shot it down with a long range AMRAAM shot. Afterwards both Mirages were heard saying that they are disengaging due to radar malfunction!. The SU30's wingman also made a figure 8 and bugged out. Out of the 5 Mig21s , nando stumbled blindly (comms and radar completely jammed) inside the fighter sweep range and was shot down. His plane's wreckage had all 4 missiles either on the rails or in the wreckage confirming he never even got a chance to fire his R73 at the F16s as claimed by the Indian Airforce.
Only thing India shot down was a certain Mi17 hurriedly sent for Search and Rescue operation.

People keep talking about the aerial engagement, nobody talks about the strike package going in unchallenged in one of the most contentious and hot zones and executing a text book stand off strike... :)

Below is a very well balanced write up of what actually happened. Please also read the FAQs :)

http://kaiser-aeronaut.blogspot.com/2019/06/
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It's hilarious how much more superior PAF is to the IAF. If only we didn't have a shoe string budget we could have armed them with superior weaponry and they would have drawn rings round IAF jets.
 
Romali_rotti said:
My gut feeling is that Abhinandan missed the target and he hit the trees, there might have been a few human casualties which could have been normal civilians along with the trees, not the folks Indians intended to hit.
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When did Abhi become part of the first alleged operation? You're spending too much time on Whatsapp...

finalfantasy7 said:
basically found that in around mid90's indian and china signed a treaty stating in this zone neither can use any guns or hunt with them : - ive seen the same response on thr news channel - blaming sonia ghandi:

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lol these buffoons.

Deve Gowda was the PM at the time and signed this. Yeah, Congress were supporting his government. But that's about the connection. It was a great agreement signed by the much-reviled Gowda and has been useful on multiple occasions since. It's a shame the Chinese decided to bend the agreement and play dirty now.

:)) at Pakistanis trying to cheer their Chinese buddies. If I were a Pakistani living in Pakistan, China would be the last country I'd want to be cheering on. Unless I had no intention of naming my son Mohammad :)
 
Three days after clashes in the Galwan Valley of Ladakh left 20 Indian soldiers dead, the Chinese on Thursday evening released 10 Indian Army personnel, including a Lieutenant Colonel and three Majors, from their custody.

A security source told The Hindu that all 10 persons were released around 5 p.m. after an agreement was reached at the Major General-level talks on Wednesday evening and they were returned unharmed.
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So now, India's two biggest neighbors have been in positions to capture our soldiers and release them. Under Modi's watch. But somehow he is a capable strong leader.

The most shameful times for India have come under Modi and his incapable cronies.
 
cric_man said:
Your gut feeling is wrong....

on Feb 26th IndianAF Mirage 2000s lobbed spice bombs from a standoff range (it has more than 60 km range) and missed spectacularly. An aerial delivered bomb that can leave a building intact and kill people inside only exists in South Indian pseudo scifi movies where the hero kills 20 people with a banana :P

Please read this detailed analysis by Australian researchers published shortly after the attack. They used independent satellite imagery to confirm so there is no excuse that Pak Army did not allow anyone to go to the site.
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/indias-strike-on-balakot-a-very-precise-miss/

On the morning of Feb 27th PAF retaliated in broad daylight. 4x Mirages & 2x JF17s went inside Occupied Kashmir and bombed (next to) 1 Brigade HQ, 1 munitions depot and 4x other Military targets with H4 and REKs respectively. The targets were intentionally selected nearby just to show PAF's resolve and capabilities but not to cause mass carnage since we had already ascertained that the IAF strikes had been a failure. Had IAF actually caused casualties, the result of PAF retaliation would have been totally different.

Now the strike package was challenged by 2 x Mirage 2000, 2 x Su30, 5x Mig21 Bisons. On the other side we had 6 x F16s and 6x JF17 on fighter sweep duties (Over watch) inside Pak airspace backed by EW & AEW platforms. The EW aircraft completely jammed IAF comms. F16s engaged the Su30s first and shot it down with a long range AMRAAM shot. Afterwards both Mirages were heard saying that they are disengaging due to radar malfunction!. The SU30's wingman also made a figure 8 and bugged out. Out of the 5 Mig21s , nando stumbled blindly (comms and radar completely jammed) inside the fighter sweep range and was shot down. His plane's wreckage had all 4 missiles either on the rails or in the wreckage confirming he never even got a chance to fire his R73 at the F16s as claimed by the Indian Airforce.
Only thing India shot down was a certain Mi17 hurriedly sent for Search and Rescue operation.

People keep talking about the aerial engagement, nobody talks about the strike package going in unchallenged in one of the most contentious and hot zones and executing a text book stand off strike... :)

Below is a very well balanced write up of what actually happened. Please also read the FAQs :)

http://kaiser-aeronaut.blogspot.com/2019/06/
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great post
 
cric_man said:
Your gut feeling is wrong....

on Feb 26th IndianAF Mirage 2000s lobbed spice bombs from a standoff range (it has more than 60 km range) and missed spectacularly. An aerial delivered bomb that can leave a building intact and kill people inside only exists in South Indian pseudo scifi movies where the hero kills 20 people with a banana :P

Please read this detailed analysis by Australian researchers published shortly after the attack. They used independent satellite imagery to confirm so there is no excuse that Pak Army did not allow anyone to go to the site.
https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/indias-strike-on-balakot-a-very-precise-miss/

On the morning of Feb 27th PAF retaliated in broad daylight. 4x Mirages & 2x JF17s went inside Occupied Kashmir and bombed (next to) 1 Brigade HQ, 1 munitions depot and 4x other Military targets with H4 and REKs respectively. The targets were intentionally selected nearby just to show PAF's resolve and capabilities but not to cause mass carnage since we had already ascertained that the IAF strikes had been a failure. Had IAF actually caused casualties, the result of PAF retaliation would have been totally different.

Now the strike package was challenged by 2 x Mirage 2000, 2 x Su30, 5x Mig21 Bisons. On the other side we had 6 x F16s and 6x JF17 on fighter sweep duties (Over watch) inside Pak airspace backed by EW & AEW platforms. The EW aircraft completely jammed IAF comms. F16s engaged the Su30s first and shot it down with a long range AMRAAM shot. Afterwards both Mirages were heard saying that they are disengaging due to radar malfunction!. The SU30's wingman also made a figure 8 and bugged out. Out of the 5 Mig21s , nando stumbled blindly (comms and radar completely jammed) inside the fighter sweep range and was shot down. His plane's wreckage had all 4 missiles either on the rails or in the wreckage confirming he never even got a chance to fire his R73 at the F16s as claimed by the Indian Airforce.
Only thing India shot down was a certain Mi17 hurriedly sent for Search and Rescue operation.

People keep talking about the aerial engagement, nobody talks about the strike package going in unchallenged in one of the most contentious and hot zones and executing a text book stand off strike... :)

Below is a very well balanced write up of what actually happened. Please also read the FAQs :)

http://kaiser-aeronaut.blogspot.com/2019/06/
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Kaiser 🤣
 
NEW DELHI: Three days after clashes in the Galwan Valley of Ladakh left 20 Indian soldiers dead, the Chinese on Thursday evening released 10 Indian Army personnel, including a Lieutenant Colonel and three Majors, from their custody, The Hindu said.

It quoted an unnamed security source as saying that all 10 persons were released around 5pm after an agreement was reached at the Major General-level talks on Wednesday evening and they were returned unharmed.

Separately, the Indian Army clarified in a statement that there were “no Indian troops missing in action”, The Hindu said.

In another development, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar said the Indian troops, who were outnumbered and attacked by the Chinese side, carried arms.

Meanwhile, New Delhi confirmed that External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar would join trilateral talks with Chinese and Russian counterparts on Tuesday.

India’s foreign ministry said on Thursday that Jaishankar would indeed participate in the meeting.

The prospects of the talks have lifted hopes of defusing the month-long crisis on an inhospitable Sino-Indian border. India is scheduled to host a meeting of the heads of governments of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation later this year.

The special meeting of the three-member group was initially called by Russia, to celebrate the 75th anniversary of victory in World War II and the founding of the United Nations.

The virtual conference involving India’s Jaishankar, Sergey Lavrov of Russia and Wang Yi of China was postponed from March following the Covid-19 pandemic.

China says it is enjoying a golden period of relationship with Russia currently, and Russian warships have patrolled in solidarity with China in the South China Sea.

It is worth pondering if that could make India re-think its strategy of aligning with the US-led anti-China quad that Beijing has frowned on.

Indian analysts have described Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s current strategy as one of “standing on two stools”, one stool being the Shanghai club and the other the emerging US-led bid to contain China. Defence hardware that India deploys on the China border comes from both groups.

In the meantime, anti-China protests were staged across India and many have led to calls for boycotting Chinese goods.

But unlike Mahatma Gandhi’s swadeshi campaign to discard British goods, owners of expensive Chinese mobile phones may find it hard to abandon the sets.

A politician aligned with the Bharatiya Janata Party has proposed that Chinese food and Chinese restaurants also should be banned.

Amid calls for stalling Chinese investments, India’s cricket body has emerged as a worried entity. The Board of Cricket for Cricket in India (BCCI) said it was open to reviewing its sponsorship policy for the next cycle but has no plans to end its association with current IPL title sponsor Vivo as the money coming in from the Chinese company is helping India’s cause and not the other way round.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1564485/china-frees-10-indian-soldiers-after-military-talks
 
MenInG said:
NEW DELHI: Three days after clashes in the Galwan Valley of Ladakh left 20 Indian soldiers dead, the Chinese on Thursday evening released 10 Indian Army personnel, including a Lieutenant Colonel and three Majors, from their custody, The Hindu said.

It quoted an unnamed security source as saying that all 10 persons were released around 5pm after an agreement was reached at the Major General-level talks on Wednesday evening and they were returned unharmed.

Separately, the Indian Army clarified in a statement that there were “no Indian troops missing in action”, The Hindu said.

In another development, External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar said the Indian troops, who were outnumbered and attacked by the Chinese side, carried arms.

Meanwhile, New Delhi confirmed that External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar would join trilateral talks with Chinese and Russian counterparts on Tuesday.

India’s foreign ministry said on Thursday that Jaishankar would indeed participate in the meeting.

The prospects of the talks have lifted hopes of defusing the month-long crisis on an inhospitable Sino-Indian border. India is scheduled to host a meeting of the heads of governments of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation later this year.

The special meeting of the three-member group was initially called by Russia, to celebrate the 75th anniversary of victory in World War II and the founding of the United Nations.

The virtual conference involving India’s Jaishankar, Sergey Lavrov of Russia and Wang Yi of China was postponed from March following the Covid-19 pandemic.

China says it is enjoying a golden period of relationship with Russia currently, and Russian warships have patrolled in solidarity with China in the South China Sea.

It is worth pondering if that could make India re-think its strategy of aligning with the US-led anti-China quad that Beijing has frowned on.

Indian analysts have described Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s current strategy as one of “standing on two stools”, one stool being the Shanghai club and the other the emerging US-led bid to contain China. Defence hardware that India deploys on the China border comes from both groups.

In the meantime, anti-China protests were staged across India and many have led to calls for boycotting Chinese goods.

But unlike Mahatma Gandhi’s swadeshi campaign to discard British goods, owners of expensive Chinese mobile phones may find it hard to abandon the sets.

A politician aligned with the Bharatiya Janata Party has proposed that Chinese food and Chinese restaurants also should be banned.

Amid calls for stalling Chinese investments, India’s cricket body has emerged as a worried entity. The Board of Cricket for Cricket in India (BCCI) said it was open to reviewing its sponsorship policy for the next cycle but has no plans to end its association with current IPL title sponsor Vivo as the money coming in from the Chinese company is helping India’s cause and not the other way round.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1564485/china-frees-10-indian-soldiers-after-military-talks
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Werent the Indians saying no soldier was unaccounted for? Abhinandan 2.0 :))
 
Romali_rotti said:
So you are saying I am right in believing Abhinandan missed the target ?
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Abhinandan never fired at a target. He was shot down before he could even think of one. India's claimed Balakot strike was the day before, so the personnel flying those aircrafts are the ones who missed their targets.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Werent the Indians saying no soldier was unaccounted for? Abhinandan 2.0 :))
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Apparently they're now saying the official statement was that no soldiers were "missing." Which is technically correct, since they weren't missing but known to be in custody.

I hope the Chinese took videos, to be released later. There were at least four officers, which should be good meme material.
 
Romali_rotti said:
So you are saying I am right in believing Abhinandan missed the target ?
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The botched balakot strike happened a night before. Abhinandhan had no part in it. He was trying to intercept the retaliatory PAF strike launched the following day. In doing so, he stumbled blindly and had his chariot blown from under him.
 
Babu Bhaiya said:
Kaiser &#55358;&#56611;
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Haan Babu Bhaiya ... Air Commodore (R) Kaiser Tufail, Pak Fizzaiya.

You should ask another IAF pilot who was our mehman for a few days 2 decades back about A/C Kaiser Tufail's bonafides. His name was Kambampati Nachiketa. He enjoyed some Pakistani chai as well and was interrogated by Kaiser Tufail.

Unlike your Barking Bakshi, this guy is very level headed and gives you a balanced analysis. Read up his blog, you will very candidly discuss PAF's exploits as well as failures of the past.
 
angrypathan said:
Abhinandan never fired at a target. He was shot down before he could even think of one. India's claimed Balakot strike was the day before, so the personnel flying those aircrafts are the ones who missed their targets.
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Your PM Imran Khan said Trees were bombed and showed pics of the tree damage, so bomb was fired.
 
Anyway this thread is drifting, lets stick with China India issues. Yes the Balakot strike imo was not successful due to the lack of evidence from the Indian side.
 
China has released 10 Indian army soldiers, including at least two senior officers, it seized in a high-altitude border clash in the Himalayas which left at least 20 Indian soldiers dead, media reports said.

The release follows several rounds of talks between the two sides in a bid to ease tensions after the battle on Monday, in which scores of troops from the two sides fought with nail-studded batons and hurled rocks at each other in the disputed Galwan Valley.

India's The Hindu and The Indian Express newspapers on Friday said the release took place after major-general-level talks were held between the Indian and Chinese militaries on Thursday to defuse the border standoff.

'Returned unharmed'
The Indian Express, quoting officials it did not name, said all 10 soldiers were released by China around 5pm (11:30 GMT) on Thursday.

The released soldiers were medically examined and provided a preliminary debriefing, reports said. "They were returned unharmed," said The Hindu.

The Indian Express said it was the first time after the 1962 India-China war that Indian soldiers were taken into custody by the Chinese side.

Meanwhile, the Indian army on Thursday denied its soldiers were in Chinese custody. "No Indian troops missing in action," a statement released by the army said.

Later in the day, the Indian army said 76 of its soldiers were wounded in Monday night's clash in Galwan Valley. It added that 56 of those wounded had been cleared to return to work "within a week".

China was yet to officially disclose if it suffered any casualties in the deadliest clash between the two nuclear-armed Asian neighbours in decades.

India and China have not exchanged gunfire at the border since 1967, despite occasional flare-ups. Soldiers are under instructions to keep their rifles slung at their backs.

Since the clash, there is no sign of a breakthrough between the two Asian giants.

"The situation remains as it was, there is no disengagement, but there is also no further build up of forces," said an Indian government source aware of the ground situation.

India said its soldiers were killed in a premeditated attack by Chinese troops at a time when top commanders had agreed to defuse tensions on the Line of Actual Control (LAC), or the disputed and poorly defined border between the two nations.

China rejected the allegations and blamed front-line Indian soldiers for provoking the conflict which took place at the freezing height of 14,000 feet (4,300 metres) in the western Himalayas.

The 4,056-km (2,520-mile) border between India and China runs through glaciers, snow deserts and rivers in the west to thickly forested mountains in the east.

The Galwan Valley is an arid, inhospitable area, where some soldiers are deployed on steep ridges.

It is considered important because it leads to the Aksai Chin, a disputed plateau claimed by India but controlled by China.

The border tension with China has become Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's most serious foreign policy challenge since he took power in 2014.

Hardline nationalist groups tied to Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) have stepped up calls for a boycott of Chinese goods and the cancellation of contracts with Chinese firms.

Amid calls for a boycott, thousands attended funerals on Thursday for many of the 20 Indian soldiers killed in the clash.

Chinese flags and posters of China's President Xi Jinping were burned in at least two cities.

US condoles with India

The United States offered condolences to India on Friday over the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers killed in vicious combat with Chinese troops.

"We extend our deepest condolences to the people of India for the lives lost as a result of the recent confrontation with China," US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in a message posted on Twitter.

"We will remember the soldiers' families, loved ones, and communities as they grieve."

As a non-aligned nation, India has always sought to balance the influence of super-powers, while maintaining an independent course in foreign policy matters.

But in the past two decades, New Delhi has built closer political and defence ties with Washington, and the US has become one of India's top arms suppliers.

In the wake of the rising tensions with Beijing, there are rising calls from top former Indian diplomats for an even tighter relationship with the US and its allies such as Japan to help face the economic and military might of China.

"This is an opportunity for India to align its interests much more strongly and unequivocally with the US as a principal strategic partner and infuse more energy into relations with Japan, Australia, and ASEAN," former foreign secretary Nirupama Rao wrote in The Hindu.

Source Al Jazeera
 
We were caught napping - plain and simple. This won't escalate to a war but hopefully the top political and military brass update their strategic planning. The Chinese should no longer be trusted to hold their position. This is a test match, and the game will be played over years, if not decades. Just expect more stuff like Doklam and this.
 
I just saw a video of a brutal killing of a Chinese soldier by the Indians, this is scary stuff. I hope all this will calm down and stop, my god I cant get what I saw out of my head... Whats the point in all this ????????????? This is madness, I feel sick..
 
> So after Army/Government said that all soldiers are accounted for, China released 10 soldiers, including officers. Never trust anything that comes out of this government.

> On Thursday they said everyone is accounted for and now 10 soldiers are under Chinese custody? I Lost respect for Indian Army. It seems Indian army is trying to hide information. All the 43 injured or killed stuff are some lie I guess. To me it seems like Indian army accepting that they don’t stand a chance against PLA. What a shameful day for India.

Some educated Indians have finally started to accept the reality. This was no small scuffle, this was ultimate humiliation by China. Not only 23 indian soldiers were killed and around 130 injured but they also captured indian officers selectively. Three Majors, One Lieutenant Colonel and Six soldiers released by Chinese yesterday. Goddamn, this was worse humiliation than the Abhinandan fiasco but Chinese decided not to show off because they have completed their objective of capturing part of Galwan Valley and have leverage over Indians through prisoners.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“‘Missing' here is the operative word. They aren’t missing, if you know where they are.” Lol, Ok, how about writing some plain English and say, No Indian soldiers are missing in action, but 10 Indian soldiers including 4 officers have been taken as Prisoners by PLA. &#55358;&#56631;&#55356;&#57343;*♀️ <a href="https://t.co/SOUpxkmZS6">https://t.co/SOUpxkmZS6</a></p>— Kashmir Intel (@kashmirosint) <a href="https://twitter.com/kashmirosint/status/1273838168081489922?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Why did they release our soldiers? Did they suddenly decide to be nice to us?

There is definitely much more than what is being projected.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Your PM Imran Khan said Trees were bombed and showed pics of the tree damage, so bomb was fired.
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At trees, YES. By Abhinandan? NOPE...

But did PAF miss? NO.. ALthough your Media + Army tried to denied it million times, but when the video came, everyone knew the truth..

beat that.
 
Moh@n said:
Why did they release our soldiers? Did they suddenly decide to be nice to us?

There is definitely much more than what is being projected.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/China?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#China</a> has not seized any <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Indian?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Indian</a> personnel, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian told a daily press briefing on Friday in response to a question about the China-India border situation. <a href="https://t.co/kRiIWV9D6I">pic.twitter.com/kRiIWV9D6I</a></p>— CGTN (@CGTNOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1273894515108048904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's just the sensationalist Indian media doing what it does best.

Multiple reports (though unofficial) claiming that there was a prisoner swap between IA and the PLA with an agreement to keep mum.

There is also a possibility that these "prisoners" came back on the 16th itself and our media got that now from their "sources" (Re Ajai Shukla) and are giving it their own spin.
 
Nostalgic said:
Apparently they're now saying the official statement was that no soldiers were "missing." Which is technically correct, since they weren't missing but known to be in custody.

I hope the Chinese took videos, to be released later. There were at least four officers, which should be good meme material.
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This is good old "be-izzati".
 
hmm this is getting a little silly now


China has said it never detained Indian soldiers after Indian media reports said 10 of them were released after they were captured in a high-altitude border clash in the Himalayas which also left at least 20 Indian soldiers dead.

When asked about Indian media reports on Friday, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said "China hasn't seized any Indian personnel" after the two sides fought with nail-studded batons and hurled rocks at each other in the disputed Galwan Valley - the deadliest such clash in 45 years.

Zhao said "the right and wrong is very clear and the responsibility lies entirely with the Indian side," according to the Associated Press.

He added the two sides are in communication over diplomatic and military channels. "We hope India can work with China to maintain the long-term development of bilateral relations," he said at a daily briefing.

Earlier on Friday, India's PTI news agency and other media reported that China released 10 Indian army soldiers, including at least two senior officers, late on Thursday.

Their release followed several rounds of major-general-level talks between the two armies in a bid to ease tensions, the reports said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ays-ladakh-clash-reports-200619033527314.html
 
Indians: all personal accounted for

Again Indians: China has released 10 Indian prisoners

China: we did not detain any soldiers in the first place


Indian Army lying as usual
 
Rana said:
Indians: all personal accounted for

Again Indians: China has released 10 Indian prisoners

China: we did not detain any soldiers in the first place


Indian Army lying as usual
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Indian army never made that statement. Just the media with "sources" like Shukla and Panag.
 
Mesozoic said:
Indian army never made that statement. Just the media with "sources" like Shukla and Panag.
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I remember you were laughing when I posted Ajai Shukla's tweet few days ago regarding Chinese Army entering Indian territory. Are we going down the same route again? :inti
 
You can’t be a bully if you can’t get what you want usually.

So let’s cancel India under this term
 
On the Republic channel some BJP mp called Shanawaz is denying any Indian soldiers were captured and now released. There is no news of 43 chinese harmed either.
 
"The situation remains as it was, there is no disengagement, but there is also no further build up of forces," said an Indian government source aware of the ground situation.
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Look forget all this talk of numbers. What matters is the above statement. There is no disengagement is just diplomatic speak for the Chinese aren't budging. This is the crux of the matter. Will they move? and if they do from where to where?

If they continue to build infrastructure and bring in troops, you'll see major PLA military installations popping up all over this area. Then they aren't going for decades. And if that happens they can shut down any movement towards CPEC and the karakorum highway, plus siachen. This is the key here.

Even if they go back they will have caused massive headaches to the Indian top brass. Who after 93 thought they didnt need to worry about this border. hence why all the talk of taking gilgit etc. That is now a pipe dream. because even if the Chinese move out they have demonstrated that they can return within 24hrs.
 
CCP were smart when they didn't have money , now they have money not sure who will stop them from ruling the world, world domination defn awaits them.

I hope we keep resisting!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Y does our media claim 35Chinese soldiers were killed, relying on uncorrobarated reports?20 Indiansoldiers were killed.2claim ‘victory’ we have 2claim more Chinese were <a href="https://t.co/4uBvdSdhPs">https://t.co/4uBvdSdhPs</a> seems our media is follower of Goebbels,hu kept claiming Germanvictories even in defeat</p>— Markandey Katju (@mkatju) <a href="https://twitter.com/mkatju/status/1273439143268249601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
IAJ said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Y does our media claim 35Chinese soldiers were killed, relying on uncorrobarated reports?20 Indiansoldiers were killed.2claim ‘victory’ we have 2claim more Chinese were <a href="https://t.co/4uBvdSdhPs">https://t.co/4uBvdSdhPs</a> seems our media is follower of Goebbels,hu kept claiming Germanvictories even in defeat</p>— Markandey Katju (@mkatju) <a href="https://twitter.com/mkatju/status/1273439143268249601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Errr last I checked it was the American media that said 35 Chinese soldiers were killed.
 
IAJ said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Y does our media claim 35Chinese soldiers were killed, relying on uncorrobarated reports?20 Indiansoldiers were killed.2claim ‘victory’ we have 2claim more Chinese were <a href="https://t.co/4uBvdSdhPs">https://t.co/4uBvdSdhPs</a> seems our media is follower of Goebbels,hu kept claiming Germanvictories even in defeat</p>— Markandey Katju (@mkatju) <a href="https://twitter.com/mkatju/status/1273439143268249601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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This thread is too much
 
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Romali_rotti said:
Errr last I checked it was the American media that said 35 Chinese soldiers were killed.
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Well then you haven't checked well enough. It was one online US outlet who referred to an unknown source in US intelligence.
But this newz was picked by most indian newz channel and everyone started to report this, hence the tweet from your former supreme court judge.
 
Failure of Indian intelligence?

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India has accused Chinese troops of meticulously preparing an attack on its soldiers on the treacherous Himalayan border, claiming they erected a tent on the Indian side, dammed a river, brought in machinery and then lay in wait with stones and batons wrapped in barbed wire.

The incident on Monday night, in which 20 Indian soldiers died and 76 were and injured, was the worst violence between India and China for 45 years. China has not said whether it sustained any casualties.

Ten Indian soldiers who were reportedly captured by China troops during the attack were back in India on Thursday night. China said it had not seized any Indian personnel.

Both sides continue to blame the other for the clash. China is now claiming sovereignty over the Galwan valley in Ladakh, where the attack happened, and has accused Indian troops of three times crossing into its territory. “The responsibility entirely lies with Indian side,” said Zhao Lijian, a spokesman for Chinese ministry of foreign affairs.

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India accused China of carrying out a “premeditated and planned action” on its side of the border. Satellite images of the Galwan valley taken by Planet Labs, an imaging company, in the days before the clash appear to show increased activity on the Chinese side, including the damming of a river and the movement of troops and machinery close to the disputed and poorly defined border.

The Australian Strategic Policy Institute said its analysis of satellite images found there was “evidence that strongly suggests Peoples’ Liberation Army forces have been regularly crossing into Indian territory temporarily on routine patrol routes”.

Indian officials said commanders from the Indian and Chinese sides had met on 13 June and agreed to each retreat back two kilometres in the Galwan valley and Pangong Lake area.

But rather than retreating, the officials said, Chinese troops erected a tent in disputed territory close to what is known as Patrolling Point 14. They said India’s 16 Bihar Regiment, led by Col Santosh Babu, dismantled the structure in an attempt to push back the PLA troops.

According to accounts given to the Hindu newspaper, when Babu and his troops later approached the Chinese side to challenge the refusal to retreat, they were ambushed by PLA forces on the steep mountain precipice. The Chinese allegedly unblocked the dammed river, releasing a rush of water to destabilise Indian soldiers, and they attacked with stones and makeshift spiked weapons.

Indian troops retaliated, it was reported, and reinforcements were summoned on both sides until there were upwards of 600 soldiers in hand-to-hand combat in the dark and icy conditions. No shots were fired.

There were reports that the Indian soldiers were unarmed, but India’s external affairs minister, Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, said: “Let us get the facts straight. All troops on border duty always carry arms, especially when leaving post. Those at Galwan on 15 June did so.”

Due to the treacherous conditions, many of the bodies of the Indian soldiers could not be retrieved until the next morning, by helicopters working with troops and border police. The injured were taken to hospitals in the Ladakh city of Leh.

India and China have agreed to continue the process of disengagement that was first agreed on 6 June, and discussions are ongoing through political and diplomatic channels. Army generals from both sides have also had three days of talks at Patrolling Point 14. However, the Indian army and air force in Ladakh remain on high alert.

India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, held a meeting with all political party leaders on Friday evening to discuss the situation.

China has doubled down on its claim over the Galwan valley. “Based on the principle of historic rights, China has jurisdiction over the valley area,” Zhang Yongpan, a research fellow of the Institute of Chinese Borderland Studies, told the Global Times, a government mouthpiece, on Thursday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...es-china-of-preparing-attack-on-border-troops
 
MenInG said:
Failure of Indian intelligence?

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India has accused Chinese troops of meticulously preparing an attack on its soldiers on the treacherous Himalayan border, claiming they erected a tent on the Indian side, dammed a river, brought in machinery and then lay in wait with stones and batons wrapped in barbed wire.

The incident on Monday night, in which 20 Indian soldiers died and 76 were and injured, was the worst violence between India and China for 45 years. China has not said whether it sustained any casualties.

Ten Indian soldiers who were reportedly captured by China troops during the attack were back in India on Thursday night. China said it had not seized any Indian personnel.

Both sides continue to blame the other for the clash. China is now claiming sovereignty over the Galwan valley in Ladakh, where the attack happened, and has accused Indian troops of three times crossing into its territory. “The responsibility entirely lies with Indian side,” said Zhao Lijian, a spokesman for Chinese ministry of foreign affairs.

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India accused China of carrying out a “premeditated and planned action” on its side of the border. Satellite images of the Galwan valley taken by Planet Labs, an imaging company, in the days before the clash appear to show increased activity on the Chinese side, including the damming of a river and the movement of troops and machinery close to the disputed and poorly defined border.

The Australian Strategic Policy Institute said its analysis of satellite images found there was “evidence that strongly suggests Peoples’ Liberation Army forces have been regularly crossing into Indian territory temporarily on routine patrol routes”.

Indian officials said commanders from the Indian and Chinese sides had met on 13 June and agreed to each retreat back two kilometres in the Galwan valley and Pangong Lake area.

But rather than retreating, the officials said, Chinese troops erected a tent in disputed territory close to what is known as Patrolling Point 14. They said India’s 16 Bihar Regiment, led by Col Santosh Babu, dismantled the structure in an attempt to push back the PLA troops.

According to accounts given to the Hindu newspaper, when Babu and his troops later approached the Chinese side to challenge the refusal to retreat, they were ambushed by PLA forces on the steep mountain precipice. The Chinese allegedly unblocked the dammed river, releasing a rush of water to destabilise Indian soldiers, and they attacked with stones and makeshift spiked weapons.

Indian troops retaliated, it was reported, and reinforcements were summoned on both sides until there were upwards of 600 soldiers in hand-to-hand combat in the dark and icy conditions. No shots were fired.

There were reports that the Indian soldiers were unarmed, but India’s external affairs minister, Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, said: “Let us get the facts straight. All troops on border duty always carry arms, especially when leaving post. Those at Galwan on 15 June did so.”

Due to the treacherous conditions, many of the bodies of the Indian soldiers could not be retrieved until the next morning, by helicopters working with troops and border police. The injured were taken to hospitals in the Ladakh city of Leh.

India and China have agreed to continue the process of disengagement that was first agreed on 6 June, and discussions are ongoing through political and diplomatic channels. Army generals from both sides have also had three days of talks at Patrolling Point 14. However, the Indian army and air force in Ladakh remain on high alert.

India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, held a meeting with all political party leaders on Friday evening to discuss the situation.

China has doubled down on its claim over the Galwan valley. “Based on the principle of historic rights, China has jurisdiction over the valley area,” Zhang Yongpan, a research fellow of the Institute of Chinese Borderland Studies, told the Global Times, a government mouthpiece, on Thursday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...es-china-of-preparing-attack-on-border-troops
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India got "Art of War"d hard by Chinese. Sun Tzu must be proud of Chinese!

It's the second time their armed forces have been fooled in a very short amount of time.

India need to up their military game. Foolish military officials must be replaced with smart ones.
 
the Great Khan said:
Look forget all this talk of numbers. What matters is the above statement. There is no disengagement is just diplomatic speak for the Chinese aren't budging. This is the crux of the matter. Will they move? and if they do from where to where?

If they continue to build infrastructure and bring in troops, you'll see major PLA military installations popping up all over this area. Then they aren't going for decades. And if that happens they can shut down any movement towards CPEC and the karakorum highway, plus siachen. This is the key here.

Even if they go back they will have caused massive headaches to the Indian top brass. Who after 93 thought they didnt need to worry about this border. hence why all the talk of taking gilgit etc. That is now a pipe dream. because even if the Chinese move out they have demonstrated that they can return within 24hrs.
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Everyone knows this, but it's a bitter pill to swallow, so easier to smash some Chinese tvs on Indian streets or start talking about successfully bombing trees in the last surgical strike on Pakistan.

In fact Modi might have considered trying another attack on Pakistan as a diversion, but I guess if they got chased back from that border, then it would be double humiliation. It's quite a tight spot for India at this point and not much idea where to go next.
 
JaDed said:
CCP were smart when they didn't have money , now they have money not sure who will stop them from ruling the world, world domination defn awaits them.

I hope we keep resisting!
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Yeah you guys keep on giving Chinese companies mega projects and make 'odd random feel good Bollywood crappy movies portraying Indian victory over China with a love story and mandatory dance numbers' to feel superior :yk
 
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Cpt. Rishwat said:
Everyone knows this, but it's a bitter pill to swallow, so easier to smash some Chinese tvs on Indian streets or start talking about successfully bombing trees in the last surgical strike on Pakistan.

In fact Modi might have considered trying another attack on Pakistan as a diversion, but I guess if they got chased back from that border, then it would be double humiliation. It's quite a tight spot for India at this point and not much idea where to go next.
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An attack on Pakistan right now would be downright stupidly suicidal. And not because of Indian army's inability to execute any plan but because it will give Pakistan carte blanche to push India's side of border.

Although, knowing Muslim Killer Modi's mentality, whose administration is the main mastermind behind false flag Pulwana attack, you never know.
This fanatical Hinduvta mentality might bring further destruction.

I pray to be wrong tho.

Also, Pakistani authorities warned regarding a possible Indian false flag a while ago.
 
Mesozoic said:
Oh US intelligence is now Indian media. :))
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So you agree that Indian media doesn't use its own brain and relies on other country's intelligence? Over half a dozen channels in India were reporting that 43 Chinese soldiers were killed. I know there is no shortage of copycats here in India but the way these channels give breaking news and the way bhakhts copy and paste them on to social media is unbelievable. Amd it is funny to see that when the going gets tough even bhakhts starts questioning our own media. :inti
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Yeah you guys keep on giving Chinese companies mega projects and make 'odd random feel good Bollywood crappy movies portraying Indian victory over China with a love story and mandatory dance numbers' to feel superior :yk
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Like what, Haqeeqat 1964 movie even the hero dies at hands of Chinese and that too Dharmendra in the 1962 war.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Yeah you guys keep on giving Chinese companies mega projects and make 'odd random feel good Bollywood crappy movies portraying Indian victory over China with a love story and mandatory dance numbers' to feel superior :yk
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As I said earlier, boycotting China is not going to be easy. Their products are everywhere. It's better to start maintaining good relations with them instead of acting like bullies and losing our soldiers.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
As I said earlier, boycotting China is not going to be easy. Their products are everywhere. It's better to start maintaining good relations with them instead of acting like bullies and losing our soldiers.
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If you throw every chinese TV or phone, how will you follow the newz then lol?

On a serious note, this boycott China-products campaign will only hurt the average indian who want’s cheap and okish items. The rich don’t care as they can afford iPhones, big Samsung monitors etc.

And moreover what about thousands of indians who will lose their jobs if Chinese investment is removed overnight?

People like Arnab Goswami are earning millions and in greed of higher ratings he has started these foolish campaigns. But remember, this tension of highest level could be over in some weeks, but the effect it could have on Indian economy could take years to heal.

Anyways your country, your decisions.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is no One China. It’s a loosely cobbled land mass with oppressed people longing for independence, held forcibly together by Han Chinese tyranny. <br><br>And they will get their independence soon. It’s only a matter of time. This is how China will look &#55357;&#56391;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JunkOneChina?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JunkOneChina</a> <a href="https://t.co/gHUaW7Hz9z">pic.twitter.com/gHUaW7Hz9z</a></p>— Major Gaurav Arya (Retd) (@majorgauravarya) <a href="https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/status/1273999931498364930?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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^ lol Tibet and Turkestan will become to huge countries then.
 
IAJ said:
If you throw every chinese TV or phone, how will you follow the newz then lol?

On a serious note, this boycott China-products campaign will only hurt the average indian who want’s cheap and okish items. The rich don’t care as they can afford iPhones, big Samsung monitors etc.

And moreover what about thousands of indians who will lose their jobs if Chinese investment is removed overnight?

People like Arnab Goswami are earning millions and in greed of higher ratings he has started these foolish campaigns. But remember, this tension of highest level could be over in some weeks, but the effect it could have on Indian economy could take years to heal.

Anyways your country, your decisions.
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We are consumers. As long as these products are available in the market we are going to buy them. It's upto Indian government now whether to allow them or not. And you are right economy will take another hit if these products are banned overnight. :inti
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is no One China. It’s a loosely cobbled land mass with oppressed people longing for independence, held forcibly together by Han Chinese tyranny. <br><br>And they will get their independence soon. It’s only a matter of time. This is how China will look <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JunkOneChina?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JunkOneChina</a> <a href="https://t.co/gHUaW7Hz9z">pic.twitter.com/gHUaW7Hz9z</a></p>— Major Gaurav Arya (Retd) (@majorgauravarya) <a href="https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/status/1273999931498364930?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Lmao. Isn’t China like 90+% Han Chinese
 
Romali_rotti said:
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Mrs.Mussolini tried to make a deal with the commies and is now exposed.

Great debate, lots of testoserone venting, lots of brave and masucline method of debate. You will never see such debates in submissive western countries. Way to go. Great Job India A1 #1
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
As I said earlier, boycotting China is not going to be easy. Their products are everywhere. It's better to start maintaining good relations with them instead of acting like bullies and losing our soldiers.
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Congress and Mrs. Mussolini supporter spotted. Why go peace with China when we can capture Beijing in few business days ? Just send John Abraham and Salman Khan. Let's get the invasion rolling and the Chinese begging at our feet.
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is no One China. It’s a loosely cobbled land mass with oppressed people longing for independence, held forcibly together by Han Chinese tyranny. <br><br>And they will get their independence soon. It’s only a matter of time. This is how China will look ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JunkOneChina?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JunkOneChina</a> <a href="https://t.co/gHUaW7Hz9z">pic.twitter.com/gHUaW7Hz9z</a></p>— Major Gaurav Arya (Retd) (@majorgauravarya) <a href="https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/status/1273999931498364930?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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This looks alot more realistic

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China has accused Indian troops of a "deliberate provocation" in its first official comments on Monday's deadly clash at a disputed Himalayan border.

Foreign ministry spokesman Lijian Zhao said the troops had crossed into Chinese territory and attacked, triggering "fierce physical conflicts".

However he did not give details of any Chinese casualties.

On Friday Indian PM Narendra Modi said no foreign soldiers had crossed India's borders and no territory had been lost.

Mr Modi vowed that India would defend its border with military force if necessary.

Twenty Indian soldiers were killed in the clash in the Galwan Valley. India has said that both sides suffered losses during the fighting.

What is China's version of events?

In a series of tweets, Mr Zhao said the Galwan Valley was on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the poorly demarcated border between the two nuclear-armed powers.

He said the clash occurred at a time when tension had been easing after India demolished infrastructure it had built on the Chinese side of the LAC in May and withdrew personnel, following an agreement between Chinese and Indian officers.

But on 15 June Indian troops "once again crossed the Line of Actual Control for deliberate provocation when the situation in the Galwan Valley was already easing", Mr Zhao said.

"India's front-line troops even violently attacked the Chinese officers and soldiers who went there for negotiation, thus triggering fierce physical conflicts and causing casualties," he said.

India has been building "roads, bridges and other facilities" at the LAC in Galwan Valley since April, Mr Zhao said.

What did PM Modi say about it?

In a televised statement on Friday, Mr Modi said there had been no incursion into Indian territory.

"Nobody has intruded into our border, neither is anybody there now, nor have our posts been captured," he said.

India's armed forces had been "given a free hand to take all necessary steps" to protect Indian territory, he added.

"The entire country is hurt and angry at the steps taken by China," he said, adding: "India wants peace and friendship, but upholding sovereignty is foremost."

His government had previously blamed China for the clash, with the foreign ministry releasing a statement on Wednesday saying it had been sparked after "the Chinese side sought to erect a structure in Galwan valley on our side of the LAC".

What happened in the Galwan Valley?

Media reports said troops clashed on ridges at a height of nearly 4,300m (14,000 ft) on steep terrain, with some soldiers falling into the fast-flowing Galwan river in sub-zero temperatures.

At least 76 Indian soldiers were reportedly injured in addition to the 20 dead. China has not released any information about Chinese casualties.

The fighting took place without any firearms because of a 1996 agreement barring guns and explosives from the area.

An image that emerged on Thursday purportedly showed some of the crude weapons used in the fight.

The photograph, which appears to show iron rods studded with nails, was passed to the BBC by a senior Indian military official on the India-China border, who said the weapons had been used by the Chinese.

The image was widely shared on Twitter in India, prompting outrage from many social media users. Neither Chinese or Indian officials have commented on it.

Why were there no guns?

The Galwan river valley in Ladakh, with its harsh climate and high-altitude terrain, is close to Aksai Chin, a disputed area claimed by India but controlled by China.

This is not the first time the two nuclear-armed neighbours have fought without conventional firearms on the border. India and China have a history of face-offs and overlapping territorial claims along the more than 3,440km (2,100 mile), poorly drawn LAC separating the two sides.

The last firing on the border happened in 1975 when four Indian soldiers were killed in a remote pass in the north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh. The clash was variously described by former diplomats as an ambush and an accident. But no bullets have been fired since.

At the root of this is a 1996 bilateral agreement that says "neither side shall open fire... conduct blast operations or hunt with guns or explosives within two kilometres of the Line of Actual Control".

But there have been other tense confrontations along the border in recent weeks. In May Indian and Chinese soldiers exchanged physical blows on the border at Pangong Lake, also in Ladakh, and in the north-eastern Indian state of Sikkim hundreds of miles to the east.

India has accused China of sending thousands of troops into the Galwan Valley and says China occupies 38,000 sq km (14,700 sq miles) of its territory. Several rounds of talks in the last three decades have failed to resolve the boundary disputes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53118473
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is no One China. It’s a loosely cobbled land mass with oppressed people longing for independence, held forcibly together by Han Chinese tyranny. <br><br>And they will get their independence soon. It’s only a matter of time. This is how China will look &#55357;&#56391;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JunkOneChina?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JunkOneChina</a> <a href="https://t.co/gHUaW7Hz9z">pic.twitter.com/gHUaW7Hz9z</a></p>— Major Gaurav Arya (Retd) (@majorgauravarya) <a href="https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/status/1273999931498364930?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Didn't include separate nation for cantonese people they have a big beef with mandarin chinese people especially CCP 😁
 
PetroDollars said:
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Some of these places wouldn't even be a separate state let alone nations

Senseless cutting childlike, puzzle pieces 🤣

Wth is Abu sina where is the hindi speaking belt

Know I know I am taking it way too seriously 😂 but just can't tolerate stupidity just like the sindhudesh ** garbage
 
China says the Galwan Valley where Chinese and Indian troops were engaged in a deadly clash falls entirely within its territory, as Beijing blamed New Delhi for the June 15 military clash at the border that left 20 Indian soldiers dead.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said in a statement on Friday that the Galwan Valley, which is part of the disputed Ladakh region, is located on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) - the de facto border between the two Asian rivals.

Zhao accused India of violating the agreement the two countries had reached on June 6 regarding the LAC, calling it a "deliberate provocation" on New Delhi's part.

He said that "the rights and wrongs ... are very clear and the responsibility rests entirely with the Indian side".

The statement contradicts Indian Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar who had earlier said that the fighting erupted after "the Chinese side sought to erect a structure in Galwan valley on our side of the LAC".

Indian and Chinese troops have been engaged in an eyeball-to-eyeball standoff at several points on their 3,500km (2,200-mile) border, most of which remains undemarcated, since early May.

On June 15, 20 Indian soldiers were killed in physical fights with Chinese troops in the Galwan Valley close to the disputed Aksai Chin plateau claimed by India.

Soldiers brawled with clubs, rocks and their fists in the thin air at 4,270 metres (14,000 feet) above sea level, but no shots were fired, Indian officials have said. The soldiers carry firearms but are not allowed to use them under a previous agreement in the border dispute.

It was the deadliest clash between the nuclear-armed neighbours in decades, although China has not said whether it suffered any casualties.

According to Zhao, the fight was instigated by Indian front-line soldiers, who "violently attacked" Chinese troops who were in the area for negotiation.

"The adventurous acts of the Indian army have seriously undermined the stability of the border areas, threatened the lives of Chinese personnel, violated the agreements reached between the two countries on the border issue and breached the basic norms governing international relations," China's embassy in India said in a statement on Saturday.

Also on Friday, Zhao said China was not holding any Indian soldiers in the Himalayan border standoff between the two countries, but has not directly addressed media reports that China released 10 of them late on Thursday.

"My information is that at present there are no Indian personnel detained on the Chinese side," Zhao said, according to an English version of his daily briefing posted on the ministry's website.

Indian officials have denied that any soldiers were in Chinese custody.

India's Ministry of External Affairs spokesman Anurag Srivastava declined to comment on China's claim to the valley.

Army officers and diplomats have held a series of meetings to try to end the impasse, with no breakthrough.

In a conversation with his Indian counterpart, Foreign Minister Wang Yi called on India to carry out a thorough investigation into the incident and to "severely punish" those who should be held accountable. Yi also called for a cessation of all provocative actions.

For its part, India initially said the incident was triggered after Chinese soldiers crossed the boundary at three different points, erecting tents and guard posts and ignoring several warnings to leave - thus resulting in shouting matches, stone throwing and fist fights.

However, Prime Minister Narendra Modi appeared to downplay the incident, denying there had been any incursion into Indian territory.

"Nobody has intruded into our border, neither is anybody there now, nor have our posts been captured," Modi said in a televised speech on Friday, after he spent the day meeting representatives of parties from across the political spectrum in a bid to build consensus to tackle the rising tensions with China.

Nirupama Menon Rao, India's former foreign secretary, wrote in a post on Twitter that Modi's statement was moulded by "asymmetry of power with China".

But the main opposition Congress party's P Chidambaram has raised questions about the tensions, pointing out that if there was no border intrusion, then the 20 Indian soldiers should not have died.

Indian opposition legislators have also raised the issue of whether intelligence failures had allowed China to build up forces in the area.

"Does the government not receive, on a regular basis, satellite pictures of the borders of our country? Did our external intelligence agencies not report any unusual activity along the LAC?" Sonia Gandhi, the Congress party president, asked on Friday.

Facing heat from the opposition, the Indian government on Saturday said "attempts are being made to give a mischievous interpretation" to Friday's comments by Modi.

"As regards transgression of LAC (Line of Actual Control), it was clearly stated that the violence in Galwan on 15 June arose because Chinese side was seeking to erect structures just across the LAC and refused to desist from such actions," the government said in a statement.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...lames-india-border-clash-200620072540762.html
 
China is manufacturing 'Boycott China' Caps and T-Shirts due to high demand in India

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Getting really silly this now.

Modi says nobody intruded into their borders, so how on earth did the indians end up with hand to hand fight with the chinese? So then China might be right that it was indians who crossed the ‘border’ and got beaten up?

Modi is digging deeper hole for himself if he is lying.
 
Lonewarrior said:
China is manufacturing 'Boycott China' Caps and T-Shirts due to high demand in India

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Lol

Another thing these jazbaati indians don’t get is that by destroying all these chinese made TVs, toys etc they will again have to purchase them from China so Chines manufacturers must be really enjoying this.
 
IAJ said:
Getting really silly this now.

Modi says nobody intruded into their borders, so how on earth did the indians end up with hand to hand fight with the chinese? So then China might be right that it was indians who crossed the ‘border’ and got beaten up?

Modi is digging deeper hole for himself if he is lying.
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Maybe he saying to the Hindutuva that Ind invaded China.
 
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Lol you guys always made fun of Pakistan when it pointed to instances of international support and now are doing bhangra because daddy America is supporting in words against China.
 
Slog said:
Lol you guys always made fun of Pakistan when it pointed to instances of international support and now are doing bhangra because daddy America is supporting in words against China.
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Pakistan was being made fun of because your country lacks credibility. You housed OBL, other UN nominated terrorists have connection to Pakistan, you are broke, you have governments which gets thrown off anytime like Musharaff did. Your image in front of the world is well you get the picture of what I am getting at, everything about Pakistan is one and after another disaster.

Had Pakistan been a stable country economically and politically no one would be making fun of you if you were asking for help in a crisis situation.....
 
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