China-India standoff and border tension

[MP2011]

Feku is so bloody incompetent that sometimes I wonder how could he has so many bhakts. Then I realise our illiteracy quotient is at its all time high.

 

[Jeetlodil]

Spineless modi has sold a part of our state. I have never seen such a coward pm.

The idiocy goes beyond territory. The way the state is using the Army , in a way degrading it to maintain its fake reputation should baffle any human.

The Indian leaders have played this into the hands of the Chinese by saying China did not cross the border.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Make sure you protect the remaining part. It is China afterall. Won't be surprised if they capture more land.

Bhai our state is already occupied by 3 countries, what to protect and who to protect it from )

 

[CricketCartoons]

In his book, Ghulam Rasool Galwan, devotes a chapter on his bad experiences with hindus and says hindus don't have justice, while the europeans have justice, and that is why God has blessed the europeans with power.

 

[Hermoine Green]

It's funny to see padosis jumping up and down in joy in a situation like this.

I mean they of all people should know what happens when one intrudes into temporarily abandoned Indian territory. Weren't their "Mujahideen" soldiers flushed out of kargil in 3 months ?

It's China. So it's going to take a bit more than that. Have some patience.

And problem is that you are only replying to those who are jumping up and down. But you are ignoring those who are asking some sensible questions from you So its up to you buddy.

We have a terrible situation before a month when a plane went down, and our neighbors were thanking God that many Pakistanis died today.

So dont be amazed, idiots are every where, especially in Pakistan and in India.

Now coming towards a question which i have asked 2,4 times but you conveniently ignore

Your PM said that China didn't intrude. Then how the fight took place? And why the fight took place?

 

[Mesozoic]

And problem is that you are only replying to those who are jumping up and down. But you are ignoring those who are asking some sensible questions from you So its up to you buddy.

Now coming towards a question which i have asked 2,4 times but you conveniently ignore

Your PM said that China didn't intrude. Then how the fight took place? And why the fight took place?

I've replied buddy.

Please go check.

 

[MenInG]

Washington: The United states is talking to both India and China to help them resolve their ongoing border tensions, President Donald Trump said on Saturday.

"It's a very tough situation. We're talking to India. We're talking to China. They've got a big problem there," Trump told reporters at the White House before boarding Marine 1 on his way to his first post-COVID-19 election rally in Oklahoma.

"They've come to blows, and we'll see what happens. We'll try and help them out," Trump said when asked about his assessment of the situation between India and China.

Over the past few days, the entire Trump Administration has rallied behind India against the incursions of the Chinese Army into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control in Eastern Ladakh.

As many as 20 Indian soldiers were killed in fierce clashes against Chinese intruders into Galwan Valley in Ladakh early this week. According to US intelligence sources, more than 35 Chinese soldiers were also killed during the skirmish.

The United States has accused China of escalating border tension with India and other neighbours by trying to take benefit of these countries busy fighting coronavirus pandemic.

"The PLA (People's Liberation Army) has escalated border tensions with India, the world's most populous democracy. It's militarizing the South China Sea and illegally claiming more territory there, threatening vital sea lanes," US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said, in a major speech on China a day earlier.

In his virtual address on ''Europe and the China Challenge'' during the 2020 Copenhagen Democracy Summit on Friday, Pompeo described the ruling Chinese Communist Party as a "rogue actor."

Early this week, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said the president is aware of the situation and the US is monitoring the situation between Indian and Chinese forces along the line of actual control in Eastern Ladakh.

During a phone call on June 2nd that Trump had with Prime Minister Modi, they did discuss the situation on the Indo-China border, McEnany said.

"Trump and (PM) Modi have a terrific relationship and trust between them," Al Mason, co-chair of the Trump Victory Indian American Finance Committee said, adding that the statements coming from the White House, the State Department and the US Embassy in New Delhi is reflective of this.

Coming out in support of India, Texas Congressman Lance Gooden said that China cannot be trusted.

"As more news comes out about the deadly conflict between China and India, once again CHINA appears to be an aggressive bad actor," the Republican Congressman said.

"The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) cannot be taken at their word, EVER," Gooden said in a tweet.

On the Senate floor, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said that "on land, for the sake of grabbing territory, the PLA appears to have instigated the most violent clash between China and India since those nations went to war in 1962".

US experts feel that the latest Chinese behavior will swing India towards China.

"Even before the latest flareup, a majority of Indian strategists saw Chinese assertiveness as India''s biggest foreign-policy challenge. This has resulted in an unspoken but unmistakable swing toward the US," Jeff Smith from The Heritage Foundation think tank said.

"The bullying of US partners and allies needs to come at a cost," Smith said in a tweet.

Source NDTV

 

[Mamoon]

We are truly living in an amazing time.

Just take a look at the clowns leading countries all around the globe.

USA - Trump
England - Boris
India - Surender Modi
Pakistan - Imran
Canada - Trudeau

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We are truly living in an amazing time.

Just take a look at the clowns leading countries all around the globe.

USA - Trump
England - Boris
India - Surender Modi
Pakistan - Imran
Canada - Trudeau

Haha surender? More like Surrender Modi. Anyway bhakhts won't like your post.

 

[Mamoon]

Haha surender? More like Surrender Modi. Anyway bhakhts won't like your post.

Rahul Gandhi called him “Surender Modi”. Credit goes to him.

 

[Knight_Rider]

A few valid questions, that need to be raised with the High command of the Indian Army:

1. From the Army of this size and magnitude, why the ‘Bihar Regiment’ was chosen for Hand to hand fight?
2. Looking the pic of Colonel Babu, who was killed by chinese, he doesn’t look the strongest or fittest of the crop. Dont Indians have better trained and fitter Combat Units like commandos for situations like these?
3. Why were Indian soldiers outnumbered and fallen into a boobytrap of going to “dismantle the Chinese Post”? (As per Indian news sources). Where was army intelligence?
4. Acc to Chinese sources, indian soldiers who fell into the river and from the cliff edge couldn’t get rescued in time. So why were there no support measures in place like Helicopters for example.

What’s the use of having such a large army and all these weapons when the deployment planning and execution is this poor (time and time again). Why does Indian army never deploys its best resources in the time of need?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Rahul Gandhi called him “Surender Modi”. Credit goes to him.

Once a pappu, always a pappu.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

A few valid questions, that need to be raised with the High command of the Indian Army:

1. From the Army of this size and magnitude, why the ‘Bihar Regiment’ was chosen for Hand to hand fight?
2. Looking the pic of Colonel Babu, who was killed by chinese, he doesn’t look the strongest or fittest of the crop. Dont Indians have better trained and fitter Combat Units like commandos for situations like these?
3. Why were Indian soldiers outnumbered and fallen into a boobytrap of going to “dismantle the Chinese Post”? (As per Indian news sources). Where was army intelligence?
4. Acc to Chinese sources, indian soldiers who fell into the river and from the cliff edge couldn’t get rescued in time. So why were there no support measures in place like Helicopters for example.

What’s the use of having such a large army and all these weapons when the deployment planning and execution is this poor (time and time again). Why does Indian army never deploys its best resources in the time of need?


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Instead of answers to your questions you will get replies like 'have some patience and don't celebrate too early brotherly advice blah blah' here.

 

[raashidkhan89079]

Well right now Modi government has started to attack kashmiri's to divert attention from Ladakh three person died today one is my neighbour

 

[last_knight]

Well right now Modi government has started to attack kashmiri's to divert attention from Ladakh three person died today one is my neighbour

Stay safe bro. Prayers for safety of all.

 

[raashidkhan89079]

Stay safe bro. Prayers for safety of all.

Thank you bhai jaan

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Well right now Modi government has started to attack kashmiri's to divert attention from Ladakh three person died today one is my neighbour

When did they stop anyway? Stay safe bro.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Instead of answers to your questions you will get replies like 'have some patience and don't celebrate too early brotherly advice blah blah' here.

We ve quite a large population of Biharis in Karachi and many of my good friends are of Bihari background. In my observation Biharis in general are brainy (alteast academically) but mostly not physically strong.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well right now Modi government has started to attack kashmiri's to divert attention from Ladakh three person died today one is my neighbour

Well I predicted Modi might launch another attack on Pakistan, but in hindsight, Kashmir is a safer bet. They don't have the capability to fight back.

 

[bluevision]

3 separate brawls, outsider Chinese troops & more: Most detailed account of the brutal June 15 Galwan battle
Plenty has been written so far about the clash between Indian and Chinese troops in Ladakh's Galwan Valley...

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...utal-june-15-galwan-battle-1691185-2020-06-21

 

[Pakpak]

The disparity between China and India is the same as between us and India in military terms. It shows how well we have had to do, being bankrupt half the time and still managing to hold on and India seems completely incapable of retaliation against China. Last Feb was the icing.

 

[Realromeo]

We are truly living in an amazing time.

Just take a look at the clowns leading countries all around the globe.

USA - Trump
England - Boris
India - Surender Modi
Pakistan - Imran
Canada - Trudeau

Trudeau is doing just fine here, quit yapping about things you think you know. Don't compare him to Trump, Boris or Modi lol. Don't know much about Imran.

 

[Bewal Express]

Rahul Gandhi called him “Surender Modi”. Credit goes to him.

What happened? I thought you refused to comment on India! Not another Uturn, you are the king of the Uturns.

 

[Bewal Express]

I've replied buddy.

Please go check.

Will India fight back, have you signed up?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The disparity between China and India is the same as between us and India in military terms. It shows how well we have had to do, being bankrupt half the time and still managing to hold on and India seems completely incapable of retaliation against China. Last Feb was the icing.

Don't forget internal thieves we have had in Pakistan.

Although, I must say Shareefs might be a bunch of thieves but they would have never acted the same way Muslim Killer Modi did. Zardari/Bhuttos would sell anything/anyone.

Heck, during the "surgical strike" all political parties / TV channels came together and supported military setting aside their petty agendas. And the rest is history.

 

[Pakpak]

Don't forget internal thieves we have had in Pakistan.

Although, I must say Shareefs might be a bunch of thieves but they would have never acted the same way Muslim Killer Modi did. Zardari/Bhuttos would sell anything/anyone.

Heck, during the "surgical strike" all political parties / TV channels came together and supported military setting aside their petty agendas. And the rest is history.

They only did so because of the fear of Army. During the Mumbai incident Zardari was even okay with allowing India conduct token bombings and wanted the ISI chief to go to Mumbai to appease the Indians and the Americans.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

They only did so because of the fear of Army. During the Mumbai incident Zardari was even okay with allowing India conduct token bombings and wanted the ISI chief to go to Mumbai to appease the Indians and the Americans.

This whole family is cancer for Sindh (and Pakistan).

May they rot in hell for their crimes against peoples of Pakistan.

 

[Pete Rose]

3 separate brawls, outsider Chinese troops & more: Most detailed account of the brutal June 15 Galwan battle
Plenty has been written so far about the clash between Indian and Chinese troops in Ladakh's Galwan Valley...

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...utal-june-15-galwan-battle-1691185-2020-06-21

I love that any serious scholar who share Shiv Avoor’s fantasies on social media makes sure to protect their reputation by putting the words unverified and unofficial in describing it.

 

[Savak]

Indians and Modi pussed out yet again

 

[Romali_rotti]

You and your Modi Obsession :

 

[Romali_rotti]

@ The Great Khan,

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/u83_F4K2xVU" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Abhijit sums it perfectly, if you have time, please watch. Not looking great for India.

 

[Bigboii]

We are truly living in an amazing time.

Just take a look at the clowns leading countries all around the globe.

USA - Trump
England - Boris
India - Surender Modi
Pakistan - Imran
Canada - Trudeau

Agreed with everything but Trudeau you sure?

Truly a depressing site to watch tbh

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You and your Modi Obsession :

He is our Prime Minister.

 

[Romali_rotti]

He is our Prime Minister.

Ok, Good come back, I give you that :

 

[MenInG]

"Disinformation is no substitute for diplomacy or decisive leadership", said Dr Manmohan Singh.

New Delhi: Former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, in a statement today on the Ladakh clash in which 20 soldiers were killed, said the Prime Minister must "always be mindful of the implications of his words" -- an apparent reference to the controversy over PM Narendra Modi's comments at an all-party meeting on Friday.

The former PM also said the Prime Minister and the government must "rise to the occasion to ensure justice for Colonel B. Santosh Babu and our jawans who have made the ultimate sacrifice and resolutely defended our territorial integrity."

To do any less "would be a historic betrayal of the people's faith," said Manmohan Singh, in his first response to the deadly face-off on June 15 at Galwan Valley.

"At this moment, we stand at historic cross-roads. Our government's decisions and actions will have serious bearings on how the future generations perceive us. Those who lead us bear the weight of a solemn duty. And in our democracy that responsibility rests with the office of the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister must always be mindful of the implications of his words and declarations on our Nation's security as also strategic and territorial interests," Manmohan Singh said.

On Friday, at an all-party meeting, PM Modi had said: "Neither is anyone inside our territory nor are any of our posts captured".

The Congress seized on the statement and questioned whether the Prime Minister meant Indian Territory had been ceded to China. The PM's office said on Saturday that an attempt was being made to give a "mischievous interpretation" to PM Modi's remarks.

"Prime Minister's observations that there was no Chinese presence on our side of the LAC pertained to the situation as a consequence of the bravery of our armed forces. The sacrifices of the soldiers of the 16 Bihar Regiment foiled the attempt of the Chinese side to erect structures and also cleared the attempted transgression at this point of the LAC on that day," the government said.

Manmohan Singh said China was brazenly and illegally seeking to claim parts of Indian territory such as the Galwan Valley and the Pangong Tso Lake by committing multiple incursions since April. "We cannot and will not be cowed down by threats and intimidation nor permit a compromise with our territorial integrity. The Prime Minister cannot allow them to use his words as a vindication of their position and must ensure that all organs of the government work together to tackle this crisis and prevent it from escalating further," he said.

"This is a moment where we must stand together as a nation and be united in our response to this brazen threat. We remind the government that disinformation is no substitute for diplomacy or decisive leadership. The truth cannot be suppressed by having pliant allies spout comforting but false statements," said the two-time Prime Minister, appearing to refer to the political leaders who praised PM Modi's stand at the all-party meeting.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/for...-on-ladakh-clash-2250025?pfrom=home-topscroll

 

[the Great Khan]

@ The Great Khan,

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/u83_F4K2xVU" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Abhijit sums it perfectly, if you have time, please watch. Not looking great for India.

listened to the whole thing. Interesting titbit about the landslide. The only bit I disagree wit him is the slight mention of the IAF having more sophisticated equipment than the PLAAF, otherwise (excluding the usual rhetoric against Pakistan) it was pretty much what Ive been saying on this thread.

Also the questions really missed an opportunity by not asking about Galwan and the strategic implications. Most of the questions were the typical one upmanship stuff. The key is that China will not budge from its new found territory (or old depending who you ask). That is the key.

They have tested the waters and Modi has been found wanting. You see when it comes to Balakot, in a way after we returned abhinandan everything returned to the status quo. With China the status quo has changed drastically. They now know that they can push and they wont get much back from the indians.

It has also exposed serious weaknesses in India's military structure. Modi will now do what he does best and use propaganda to save face.

 

[Buffet]

U.S. Intel: China Ordered Attack on Indian Troops in Galwan River Valley


A SENIOR CHINESE general authorized his forces to attack Indian troops in the Galwan River valley last week, resulting in a brutal skirmish that killed dozens and dramatically escalated tensions between the two Asian powerhouses, according to a U.S. intelligence assessment.


Gen. Zhao Zongqi, head of the Western Theater Command and among the few combat veterans still serving in the People's Liberation Army, approved the operation along the contested border region of northern India and southwestern China, a source familiar with the assessment says on the condition of anonymity. Zhao, who has overseen prior standoffs with India, has previously expressed concerns that China must not appear weak to avoid exploitation by the United States and its allies, including in New Delhi, the source says, and saw the faceoff last week as a way to "teach India a lesson."

The assessment contradicts China's subsequent assertions about what happened last week. And it indicates the deadly and contentious incident – in which at least 20 Indian and 35 Chinese troops died, and reportedly a handful on each side were captured and subsequently released – was not the result of a tense circumstance that spiraled out of control, as has happened before, but rather a purposeful decision by Beijing to send a message of strength to India.

Yet that plan appears to have backfired, as the incident sparked widespread outrage in India that continues a week later. And Beijing's attempts to make India more amenable to future negotiations, including about contested territory, instead appear to have pushed the economic giant closer to the U.S.

Much is at stake, far beyond territorial control. The U.S. has pressured India for months to back away from employing Chinese tech company Huawei to help build its 5G infrastructure. In the aftermath of last week's incident, Indians were reportedly deleting Chinese social media app TikTok and destroying phones made in China.

"It does the very opposite of what China wanted," the source says. "This is not a victory for China's military."

Officials from India and China were scheduled to meet on Monday to discuss the fallout from the incident. It remains unclear the extent to which Chinese President Xi Jinping was involved in the decisions that led to last week's bloody encounter, though analysts familiar with Chinese military decisionmaking say he would have almost certainly known about the orders.

Troops had massed on both sides of the border in recent months in the northern India region of Ladakh and the southwestern Chinese region of Aksai Chin, causing global concerns of a potential escalation between the two. Private geo-intelligence firm Hawkeye 360 reported last week that satellite imagery from late May showed a buildup on the Chinese side of what appeared to be armed personnel carriers and self-propelled artillery.

Senior leaders from India and China agreed earlier in June to disarmament and a mutual withdrawal from the region, though both sides have accused the other of continuing to ship in and set up equipment required for a sustained military campaign. China has also accused India of building infrastructure such as roads in contested areas Beijing claims as its own.

On June 15, a senior Indian officer and two non-commissioned officers traveled unarmed to a meeting place where they expected to be met by a comparable delegation of Chinese troops to discuss the withdrawal, according to the source familiar with the U.S. assessment of the incident. Instead, dozens of Chinese troops were waiting with spiked bats and clubs and began an attack. Other Indian troops came in to support, leading to a melee that caused more casualties from the improvised weapons, rocks and falls from the steep terrain.

Border guards from both countries have clashed before. The Hong Kong Free Press in 2017 posted video it confirmed as genuine of a similar brawl in a separate part of the contested border.

Chinese officials released few details immediately of Monday's clash. Its state news services first criticized India for the attack and later adopted a more amenable approach.

That changed late last week, following persistent outrage from Indian officials and protests among its population. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian in a press conference Friday said blame lay solely with India for a series of what he considered provocative incursions into Chinese territory. He also said Indian leaders had pledged not to cross certain areas of the Galwan River, known as the Line of Actual Control, to build new facilities.

"Shockingly, on the evening of June 15, India's front-line troops, in violation of the agreement reached at the commander-level meeting, once again crossed the Line of Actual Control for deliberate provocation when the situation in the Galwan Valley was already easing, and even violently attacked the Chinese officers and soldiers who went there for negotiation, thus triggering fierce physical conflicts and causing casualties," Zhao Lijian said. "The adventurous acts of the Indian army have seriously undermined the stability of the border areas, threatened the lives of Chinese personnel, violated the agreements reached between the two countries on the border issue, and breached the basic norms governing international relations. China has lodged solemn representations and strong protests to the Indian side."


He added that China hopes India will continue to cooperate to reach new agreements and continue communication and coordination.

Analysts say it's clear the incident did not pan out as China intended, not in the least because its state media outlets have all but erased the incident from their pages in the week since it took place. The U.S. believes Zhao, the Chinese general who commanded the forces involved, held a memorial service for the PLA soldiers who died in the incident – an occasion that would normally attract some form of state-sponsored publicity. Instead, Chinese censors have since cracked down on social media posts about the incident, including ones that mention "defeat" and "humiliation" when describing the dead or injured Chinese troops.

Zhao, who fought with the PLA during its brief but devastating war with Vietnam in 1979, believes Chinese generals mismanaged that conflict, according to the U.S. assessment. He was also involved in the Doklam standoff in 2017 along a different part of the China-India border, which ended when Indian troops forcibly pushed back Chinese forces before both countries agreed to a mutual withdrawal.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ttack-on-indian-troops-in-galwan-river-valley

 

[cric_man]

U.S. Intel: China Ordered Attack on Indian Troops in Galwan River Valley


A SENIOR CHINESE general authorized his forces to attack Indian troops in the Galwan River valley last week, resulting in a brutal skirmish that killed dozens and dramatically escalated tensions between the two Asian powerhouses, according to a U.S. intelligence assessment.


Gen. Zhao Zongqi, head of the Western Theater Command and among the few combat veterans still serving in the People's Liberation Army, approved the operation along the contested border region of northern India and southwestern China, a source familiar with the assessment says on the condition of anonymity. Zhao, who has overseen prior standoffs with India, has previously expressed concerns that China must not appear weak to avoid exploitation by the United States and its allies, including in New Delhi, the source says, and saw the faceoff last week as a way to "teach India a lesson."

The assessment contradicts China's subsequent assertions about what happened last week. And it indicates the deadly and contentious incident – in which at least 20 Indian and 35 Chinese troops died, and reportedly a handful on each side were captured and subsequently released – was not the result of a tense circumstance that spiraled out of control, as has happened before, but rather a purposeful decision by Beijing to send a message of strength to India.

Yet that plan appears to have backfired, as the incident sparked widespread outrage in India that continues a week later. And Beijing's attempts to make India more amenable to future negotiations, including about contested territory, instead appear to have pushed the economic giant closer to the U.S.

Much is at stake, far beyond territorial control. The U.S. has pressured India for months to back away from employing Chinese tech company Huawei to help build its 5G infrastructure. In the aftermath of last week's incident, Indians were reportedly deleting Chinese social media app TikTok and destroying phones made in China.

"It does the very opposite of what China wanted," the source says. "This is not a victory for China's military."

Officials from India and China were scheduled to meet on Monday to discuss the fallout from the incident. It remains unclear the extent to which Chinese President Xi Jinping was involved in the decisions that led to last week's bloody encounter, though analysts familiar with Chinese military decisionmaking say he would have almost certainly known about the orders.

Troops had massed on both sides of the border in recent months in the northern India region of Ladakh and the southwestern Chinese region of Aksai Chin, causing global concerns of a potential escalation between the two. Private geo-intelligence firm Hawkeye 360 reported last week that satellite imagery from late May showed a buildup on the Chinese side of what appeared to be armed personnel carriers and self-propelled artillery.

Senior leaders from India and China agreed earlier in June to disarmament and a mutual withdrawal from the region, though both sides have accused the other of continuing to ship in and set up equipment required for a sustained military campaign. China has also accused India of building infrastructure such as roads in contested areas Beijing claims as its own.

On June 15, a senior Indian officer and two non-commissioned officers traveled unarmed to a meeting place where they expected to be met by a comparable delegation of Chinese troops to discuss the withdrawal, according to the source familiar with the U.S. assessment of the incident. Instead, dozens of Chinese troops were waiting with spiked bats and clubs and began an attack. Other Indian troops came in to support, leading to a melee that caused more casualties from the improvised weapons, rocks and falls from the steep terrain.

Border guards from both countries have clashed before. The Hong Kong Free Press in 2017 posted video it confirmed as genuine of a similar brawl in a separate part of the contested border.

Chinese officials released few details immediately of Monday's clash. Its state news services first criticized India for the attack and later adopted a more amenable approach.

That changed late last week, following persistent outrage from Indian officials and protests among its population. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian in a press conference Friday said blame lay solely with India for a series of what he considered provocative incursions into Chinese territory. He also said Indian leaders had pledged not to cross certain areas of the Galwan River, known as the Line of Actual Control, to build new facilities.

"Shockingly, on the evening of June 15, India's front-line troops, in violation of the agreement reached at the commander-level meeting, once again crossed the Line of Actual Control for deliberate provocation when the situation in the Galwan Valley was already easing, and even violently attacked the Chinese officers and soldiers who went there for negotiation, thus triggering fierce physical conflicts and causing casualties," Zhao Lijian said. "The adventurous acts of the Indian army have seriously undermined the stability of the border areas, threatened the lives of Chinese personnel, violated the agreements reached between the two countries on the border issue, and breached the basic norms governing international relations. China has lodged solemn representations and strong protests to the Indian side."


He added that China hopes India will continue to cooperate to reach new agreements and continue communication and coordination.

Analysts say it's clear the incident did not pan out as China intended, not in the least because its state media outlets have all but erased the incident from their pages in the week since it took place. The U.S. believes Zhao, the Chinese general who commanded the forces involved, held a memorial service for the PLA soldiers who died in the incident – an occasion that would normally attract some form of state-sponsored publicity. Instead, Chinese censors have since cracked down on social media posts about the incident, including ones that mention "defeat" and "humiliation" when describing the dead or injured Chinese troops.

Zhao, who fought with the PLA during its brief but devastating war with Vietnam in 1979, believes Chinese generals mismanaged that conflict, according to the U.S. assessment. He was also involved in the Doklam standoff in 2017 along a different part of the China-India border, which ended when Indian troops forcibly pushed back Chinese forces before both countries agreed to a mutual withdrawal.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ttack-on-indian-troops-in-galwan-river-valley

Not this USNews again!

It is glorified blog site. Please provide another accredited news agency carrying same news.

 

[Slog]

Not this USNews again!

It is glorified blog site. Please provide another accredited news agency carrying same news.

lol usnews is blog site now

its considered one of the most credible ones esp in academic circles.

(i havent even read the article so i dont even know whats your agenda here but just saying as this stood out)

 

[Buffet]

Not this USNews again!

It is glorified blog site. Please provide another accredited news agency carrying same news.

You can find different versions supporting similar conclusion. It hardly looks like a brawl getting esclated. If you feel that usnews is blog then you can see in UK media as well,

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The ambush set up by Chinese soldiers for an Indian patrol was medieval. In the high-altitude Himalayan no man’s land claimed by both countries, their forces have agreed not to carry guns, to diminish the chance of the long-running territorial dispute flaring into open war.

..

“This appears to be a far more concerted push on China’s part to change the status quo,” said Andrew Small, senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund. He cautioned that information about the border areas was fragmentary, and mostly from Indian sources supplemented by satellite images, but said there was a clear picture of a growing Chinese presence.

....

“The Chinese military has been hardening its position in multiple locations, not simply conducting patrols across the LAC but building infrastructure and maintaining an ongoing presence.”

It also seems improbable that commanders on a contested frontier, where there had been serious brawls a month earlier, would plan such a deadly ambush without at least tacit approval from the highest levels.


Chinese authorities have also launched a trade war with Australia over its demands for an investigation into the origins of Covid-19, and are in a stand-off with Canada over the extradition of a senior executive from the technology giant Huawei.

Some analysts believe that aggression on the Indian border is a response to these domestic pressures, from a leader who has fumbled the economy and relations with a top trading partner desperate not to look weak on national sovereignty.

“I feel it’s generally a response to the pressure Xi feels he is under,” said Taylor Fravel, director of the security studies programme at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

“Because of Covid and the criticism China faced internationally, the economic crisis at home, and the concomitant deterioration of China-US relations, [Beijing] has taken a tough stance on a number of sovereignty issues as a way of signalling that China will not be cowed.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ut-can-china-afford-to-make-an-enemy-of-india

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[cric_man]

lol usnews is blog site now

its considered one of the most credible ones esp in academic circles.

(i havent even read the article so i dont even know whats your agenda here but just saying as this stood out)

All they publish are Top X universities or Top X car models?

Do they have a print version? Any Pulitzer prize winning journalists?

 

[Buffet]

Do they have a print version? Any Pulitzer prize winning journalists?

Print versions are dissapearing fast due to cost. US news has been primary competitor for time and newsweek. They are not some new blog. US news was founded in 1933.

 

[cric_man]

You can find different versions supporting similar conclusion. It hardly looks like a brawl getting esclated. If you feel that usnews is blog then you can see in UK media as well,

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The ambush set up by Chinese soldiers for an Indian patrol was medieval. In the high-altitude Himalayan no man’s land claimed by both countries, their forces have agreed not to carry guns, to diminish the chance of the long-running territorial dispute flaring into open war.

..

“This appears to be a far more concerted push on China’s part to change the status quo,” said Andrew Small, senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund. He cautioned that information about the border areas was fragmentary, and mostly from Indian sources supplemented by satellite images, but said there was a clear picture of a growing Chinese presence.

....

“The Chinese military has been hardening its position in multiple locations, not simply conducting patrols across the LAC but building infrastructure and maintaining an ongoing presence.”

It also seems improbable that commanders on a contested frontier, where there had been serious brawls a month earlier, would plan such a deadly ambush without at least tacit approval from the highest levels.


Chinese authorities have also launched a trade war with Australia over its demands for an investigation into the origins of Covid-19, and are in a stand-off with Canada over the extradition of a senior executive from the technology giant Huawei.

Some analysts believe that aggression on the Indian border is a response to these domestic pressures, from a leader who has fumbled the economy and relations with a top trading partner desperate not to look weak on national sovereignty.

“I feel it’s generally a response to the pressure Xi feels he is under,” said Taylor Fravel, director of the security studies programme at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

“Because of Covid and the criticism China faced internationally, the economic crisis at home, and the concomitant deterioration of China-US relations, [Beijing] has taken a tough stance on a number of sovereignty issues as a way of signalling that China will not be cowed.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ut-can-china-afford-to-make-an-enemy-of-india

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Read through Guardian's report that you have quoted. I have no issue with it. Nowhere in there does it quote "anonymous US Intel sources" nor does it say 43 Chinese dead or that a PLA Gen authorized this attack. This is only carried by USNews with no corroboration. And all our Indian friends have run with it as some sort of validation that Indian troops inflicted a much worse death toll on the Chinese but the Chinese are still holding onto all the key areas that they have captured in the Gulwan Valley

BTW the same blogger (I meant reporter) Shinkman had reported this last year after Feb 27th spanking PAF gave.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2019-12-11/state-department-reprimanded-pakistan-in-august-for-misusing-f-16s-document-shows

No other credible news source reported the same other than the usual Indian media.

 

[Buffet]

Read through Guardian's report that you have quoted. I have no issue with it. Nowhere in there does it quote "anonymous US Intel sources" nor does it say 43 Chinese dead or that a PLA Gen authorized this attack. This is only carried by USNews with no corroboration. And all our Indian friends have run with it as some sort of validation that Indian troops inflicted a much worse death toll on the Chinese but the Chinese are still holding onto all the key areas that they have captured in the Gulwan Valley

43 or 3, hardly makes difference. That's just measuring contest and useless. China has far more resources than India due to being a bigger economy. Both will be harmed by conflict, but clearly Indians will be harmed more if there is any widespread conflict. Short conflict won't matter for both countries too much.

China has rarely released casualty figures publicly at the time of the conflict. Since China is not revealing casualties numbers, all media is simply quoting Indian media regarding that.



Point is China's willingness to use force to settle dispute. South China sea, Taiwan, Aus, Japan ... several incidents in the last 2 months. This incident shouldn't be seen in isolation.

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Here WSJ talking about it,

The border crisis with India will likely signal to China’s other neighbors that Beijing is increasingly willing to assume higher levels of risk in its approach to territorial disputes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/india-...risk-in-beijings-territorial-push-11592585381

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[Buffet]

Here is South China Morning post quoting simply Indian media for exact number of casulaties, but casualties has been admitted by China without exact number. Also, number of casulaties are not going to come from China. It rarely happens.

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Indian news reports put China’s casualties at between 35 and 43 dead and seriously injured. PLA Western Theatre Command spokesman Senior Colonel Zhang Shuili said on Tuesday that the skirmish in the Galwan River valley had led to casualties on both sides, but he declined to elaborate.

A source close to the PLA told the South China Morning Post that Beijing was “very sensitive” about military casualties, saying all numbers had to be approved by President Xi Jinping, who heads the Central Military Commission, before being released.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...-down-india-clash-key-meeting-us-insiders-say

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So this measuring contest can be put to rest. 43 or 3 , No way to verify it and it doesn't matter. Even if you verify it, hardly means that China can't cause more damage to Indians. China can actually take 100's of casualties, but if they succeed in their goals then that's a win for China.

 

[Pakpak]

Read through Guardian's report that you have quoted. I have no issue with it. Nowhere in there does it quote "anonymous US Intel sources" nor does it say 43 Chinese dead or that a PLA Gen authorized this attack. This is only carried by USNews with no corroboration. And all our Indian friends have run with it as some sort of validation that Indian troops inflicted a much worse death toll on the Chinese but the Chinese are still holding onto all the key areas that they have captured in the Gulwan Valley

BTW the same blogger (I meant reporter) Shinkman had reported this last year after Feb 27th spanking PAF gave.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2019-12-11/state-department-reprimanded-pakistan-in-august-for-misusing-f-16s-document-shows

No other credible news source reported the same other than the usual Indian media.

They will ignore the news about last feb

 

[Pakpak]

Here is South China Morning post quoting simply Indian media for exact number of casulaties, but casualties has been admitted by China without exact number. Also, number of casulaties are not going to come from China. It rarely happens.

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Indian news reports put China’s casualties at between 35 and 43 dead and seriously injured. PLA Western Theatre Command spokesman Senior Colonel Zhang Shuili said on Tuesday that the skirmish in the Galwan River valley had led to casualties on both sides, but he declined to elaborate.

A source close to the PLA told the South China Morning Post that Beijing was “very sensitive” about military casualties, saying all numbers had to be approved by President Xi Jinping, who heads the Central Military Commission, before being released.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...-down-india-clash-key-meeting-us-insiders-say

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So this measuring contest can be put to rest. 43 or 3 , No way to verify it and it doesn't matter. Even if you verify it, hardly means that China can't cause more damage to Indians. China can actually take 100's of casualties, but if they succeed in their goals then that's a win for China.

It doesn't matter if a 100 of them died. They are occupying what they wanted to.

 

[King-Misbah]

It doesn't matter if a 100 of them died. They are occupying what they wanted to.

Wars, battles are based on objectives and not number of deaths. And China is not occupying anything of India's. That land is not India's to begin with.

 

[Pakpak]

Wars, battles are based on objectives and not number of deaths. And China is not occupying anything of India's. That land is not India's to begin with.

Your first two lines are what I said too so not sure why you're going off on me. China got what it wanted. It has the peaks and the valley and is currently in possession of it.

 

[Jeetlodil]

Asansol BJP workers burn Kim Jong-un's effigy instead of Xi Jinping at China protest

ASANSOL (WEST BURDWAN): Angry over Chinese aggression in Ladakh, a bunch of BJP workers hit the streets of Asansol to register their protest, but in the process committed a faux pas that social media won’t let the party easily forget.
A video clip, which went viral on Thursday, shows confused BJP supporters led by a local leader burning an effigy of North Korea’s supreme leader Kim Jong-un instead of Chinese president Xi Jinping. The protesters at Chitra crossing in Ward 56 are heard yelling ‘Boycott China’ as they burnt Kim’s effigy.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BJP workers in Asansol are protesting against China's 'Pradhan Mantri Kim Jong' <a href="https://twitter.com/fpjindia?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fpjindia</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/prema_rajaram?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@prema_rajaram</a> <a href="https://t.co/izjAtN1Ivl">pic.twitter.com/izjAtN1Ivl</a></p>— Nirmalya Dutta (@nirmalyadutta23) <a href="https://twitter.com/nirmalyadutta23/status/1273519833825468416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

“We are protesting against China, and what happened in Ladakh (where 20 Indian soldiers were killed). We are going to burn the effigy of Chinese Prime Minister Kim Jong-un. We also request people to boycott Chinese products and only use swadeshi ones...” Mandi says, before signing off with his name and party designation.

Speaking to TOI on Friday, the BJP leader admitted their gaffe. “We were keen to register our protest and made a mistake in the hurry. I have already apologised to our district president, Lakshan Ghorui, and assured him that such an error won’t be repeated,” he said.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...igy-at-china-protest/articleshow/76474556.cms

 

[globalcitizen]

What a joke that a junk CCP leader has to approve the news before chinese media reports it. Better to shut down your media houses and learn a new job. Stop embarrassing a profession like journalism

 

[Rajdeep]

China finally admits it lost 'less than 20' soldiers in clash with India

A day after Indian media reported that India had handed over dead bodies of 16 Chinese soldiers to the People's Liberation Army (PLA), China on Monday for the first time admitted that it lost "less than 20" troops during the violent face-off along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh last week.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/in...s-than-20-soldiers-in-clash-with-india-628263

It appears to me China slowly realized its no longer 1962 and they cant blatantly lie infront of the world. No wonder they agreed to de-escalate the situation.

I just hope our hero Rahul Gandhi dont tweet now - "Why China agreed to de-escalate?".

 

[Rana]

Indians desperate to prove Chinese lost soldiers

 

[Abdullah719]

China finally admits it lost 'less than 20' soldiers in clash with India

https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/in...s-than-20-soldiers-in-clash-with-india-628263

It doesn't look like that's what Global Times are claiming.

"If China released the number which is less than 20, the Indian government would again come under pressure," the Global Times tweeted quoting an "observer" from the piece.

This simply appears to be a theory regarding what would happen if a small number was stated. It doesn't seem to definitely state a number of casualties. Could be more or less. An "observer" probably wouldn't know the real number anyway.

 

[Abdullah719]

"Mutual Consensus To Disengage" At India, China Military Talks: Sources

New Delhi: There was a "mutual consensus to disengage" in top military talks between India and China yesterday on the Chinese side of the border to discuss the Galwan face-off and other points of conflict. The talks were held "in a cordial, positive and constructive atmosphere," said army sources on Tuesday.

The details for disengagement from all friction areas in eastern Ladakh were discussed and will be taken forward by both sides, the sources said.

Lieutenant General-level talks were held at Moldo on the Chinese side of Chushul. According to news agency AFP, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said that after the talks, both sides "agreed to take necessary measures to promote a cooling of the situation".

The last time a meeting at this level was held was on June 6, when India and China agreed to pull back troops in attempts to de-escalate after weeks of tension and build-up. Disengagement began on both sides after that meeting; the Chinese pulled back troops, followed by the Indians.

But on June 15, a fight broke out between the two sides in the worst-ever border confrontation between the Indian and Chinese armies since 1967.

Twenty Indian soldiers were killed in the line of duty and 76 injured in the deadly clash triggered by the Chinese refusing to remove a tent as part of what was agreed on June 6. Indian soldiers were assaulted with crude and barbaric weapons used by the Chinese troops, including nail-studded clubs, spiked rods and stones. Army sources said 45 Chinese soldiers were killed or injured in the brawl along Galwan River.

On Sunday, India's top defence establishment decided that army would change its rules of engagement with the Chinese at the Line of Actual Control (LAC). Field commanders are now empowered to sanction use of firearms under ''extraordinary'' circumstances.

"India wants peace but will retaliate if provoked by the Chinese," sources said after the meeting.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...ere-was-mutual-consensus-to-disengage-2250707

 

[Adijazz1706]

"Mutual Consensus To Disengage" At India, China Military Talks: Sources

New Delhi: There was a "mutual consensus to disengage" in top military talks between India and China yesterday on the Chinese side of the border to discuss the Galwan face-off and other points of conflict. The talks were held "in a cordial, positive and constructive atmosphere," said army sources on Tuesday.

The details for disengagement from all friction areas in eastern Ladakh were discussed and will be taken forward by both sides, the sources said.

Lieutenant General-level talks were held at Moldo on the Chinese side of Chushul. According to news agency AFP, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said that after the talks, both sides "agreed to take necessary measures to promote a cooling of the situation".

The last time a meeting at this level was held was on June 6, when India and China agreed to pull back troops in attempts to de-escalate after weeks of tension and build-up. Disengagement began on both sides after that meeting; the Chinese pulled back troops, followed by the Indians.

But on June 15, a fight broke out between the two sides in the worst-ever border confrontation between the Indian and Chinese armies since 1967.

Twenty Indian soldiers were killed in the line of duty and 76 injured in the deadly clash triggered by the Chinese refusing to remove a tent as part of what was agreed on June 6. Indian soldiers were assaulted with crude and barbaric weapons used by the Chinese troops, including nail-studded clubs, spiked rods and stones. Army sources said 45 Chinese soldiers were killed or injured in the brawl along Galwan River.

On Sunday, India's top defence establishment decided that army would change its rules of engagement with the Chinese at the Line of Actual Control (LAC). Field commanders are now empowered to sanction use of firearms under ''extraordinary'' circumstances.

"India wants peace but will retaliate if provoked by the Chinese," sources said after the meeting.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...ere-was-mutual-consensus-to-disengage-2250707

This was said even after the June 6 meeting but to no avail, China seems to be in no mood to give up Galwan Valley

 

[Rajdeep]

It doesn't look like that's what Global Times are claiming.

"If China released the number which is less than 20, the Indian government would again come under pressure," the Global Times tweeted quoting an "observer" from the piece.

This simply appears to be a theory regarding what would happen if a small number was stated. It doesn't seem to definitely state a number of casualties. Could be more or less. An "observer" probably wouldn't know the real number anyway.

Apart from previously provided link of dailymail.co.uk where they quoted saying China had 43 casualties, this is what statesman.com is saying:


China admits losing ‘less than 20’ troops including officer in clash with Indian soldiers at Galwan: Reports

https://www.thestatesman.com/india/...an-soldiers-at-galwan-reports-1502902536.html

You will often find these contradicting statements from China. As I said before in another thread, they will never reveal the truth being a communist country where everything is kept secret.

I find it hard to believe that 20 Indian soldiers died but not a single casualty from Chinese side. But suddenly they agreed to de-escalate the situation with mutual agreement.

 

[King-Misbah]

Your first two lines are what I said too so not sure why you're going off on me. China got what it wanted. It has the peaks and the valley and is currently in possession of it.

I am sorry if you felt that I was going off at you. That was never the intention.

 

[Rajdeep]

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson said: “I have no information to offer.” regarding casualties in Galwan Valley

China has summarily dismissed all questions on casualties it suffered in the clash with India in Galwan last week and has maintained that it has no information on the matter.

In contrast, India had given out the number and names of the 20 soldiers it lost, including a Commanding officer, hours after the incident that broke decades-old protocol at LAC.

This statement came at a time when reports suggested that 43 Chinese soldiers and a commander died in the clashes.

Hu Xijin, editor of Global Times, a mouthpiece of Chinese Communist Party, had tweeted on June 16: “Based on what I know, the Chinese side also suffered casualties in the Galwan Valley physical clash.”

Xijin’s comments were understood as an admission of the casualties on the Chinese side.

Hu, however, added: Chinese side didn’t release the number of PLA casualties in the clash with Indian soldiers. My understanding is the Chinese side doesn’t want people of the two countries to compare the casualties number so to avoid stoking public mood. This is goodwill from Beijing.”

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/n...-its-casualties-in-galwan-valley-clash-103143

 

[big_gamer007]

Worst part about politics is that they make people turn heartless and evil. In this thread you can see bh@kts and paid IT cell personnel more worried about proving that the Chinese lost soldiers rather than loss of lives we suffered and asking questions to government so as to prevent this from happening ever again. Even a single life lost is one too many.

On the other hand you have neighbours who are enjoying this thread and using it to bash army/indians/modi etc in their own subtle ways.

This is what human race has come down to, no one really cares about loss of lives, all they care about is getting one up.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Indians desperate to prove Chinese lost soldiers

I am very astounded to see posts of a ONLY poster who is trying to proof that Chinese lost more soldiers than Indian, its looks like a celebration for him.

 

[Hermoine Green]

China finally admits it lost 'less than 20' soldiers in clash with India

A day after Indian media reported that India had handed over dead bodies of 16 Chinese soldiers to the People's Liberation Army (PLA), China on Monday for the first time admitted that it lost "less than 20" troops during the violent face-off along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh last week.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/in...s-than-20-soldiers-in-clash-with-india-628263

It appears to me China slowly realized its no longer 1962 and they cant blatantly lie infront of the world. No wonder they agreed to de-escalate the situation.

I just hope our hero Rahul Gandhi dont tweet now - "Why China agreed to de-escalate?".

Ammhhh, so you want more soldiers dead at both sides? You are making fun of a peace agreement between 2 countries. Very strange.

Last time i checked, it was china who captured Indian territory, and India couldn't take it land back. Chinese soldiers were sitting in your area for around 30 or 40 days i guess.

So it's very very weird that you are making fun of a peace agreement between 2 sides.

 

[Pakpak]

I am sorry if you felt that I was going off at you. That was never the intention.

No hard feelings. Just have to laugh at the Indian leadership right now. China got what it wanted and they're not leaving and India is playing the numbers game

 

[Pakpak]

Worst part about politics is that they make people turn heartless and evil. In this thread you can see bh@kts and paid IT cell personnel more worried about proving that the Chinese lost soldiers rather than loss of lives we suffered and asking questions to government so as to prevent this from happening ever again. Even a single life lost is one too many.

On the other hand you have neighbours who are enjoying this thread and using it to bash army/indians/modi etc in their own subtle ways.

This is what human race has come down to, no one really cares about loss of lives, all they care about is getting one up.

Not at all. Noone here has clapped India losing soldiers. But people will not be shedding tears either. Amit Shah this year proclaimed all Kashmir, India's, Pakistan's and China's as Indian Territory so this retaliation was coming. The Chinese moves ensure India will not make any adventure to harm the CPEC route in Pakistani Gigit or AJK which India has threatened to do by making repeated threats about AJK and Gigit.. CPEC is our and China's lifeline in the future. So of course people will be glad for it especially after Modi's war mongering.

This is not against ordinary Indians. One of my closest friend is Indian and hates Modi more than I do.

 

[Firebat]

China-India border clash stokes contrasting domestic responses

BEIJING/NEW DELHI (Reuters) - The skirmish between Chinese and Indian troops over a long-disputed border this month is being treated in New Delhi as the country’s worst diplomatic crisis in decades even as it is downplayed by Beijing.

China is already locked in diplomatic combat over a host of disputes, from the United States and Australia to Taiwan and Hong Kong, and its handling of the coronavirus outbreak. It is loath to engage on yet another front - especially one that could push New Delhi closer to Washington, some analysts say.

The two sides were working to ease tensions, China’s foreign ministry said on Tuesday. Chinese media coverage has been scant.

Beijing’s response also points to its interest in de-escalating a crisis over a stretch of border that is less politically important than other territorial priorities, such as claims to Taiwan and the South China Sea and its tightening grip on Xinjiang and Hong Kong.

The contrast reflects the differences in two systems of government - India is the world’s biggest democracy, while China is ruled by the Communist Party and tightly controls its media - as well as the domestic realities of a dispute that has little political upside for the leaders of either country.

Since the deaths of 20 Indian soldiers in hand-to-hand fighting in the Galwan Valley, in the worst combat losses on the de facto border with China in more than 50 years, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, a strident nationalist, has faced heated calls for a strong response.

Chinese President Xi Jinping is under no such public pressure.

“Indians watch everything that China is doing, but most Chinese only have eyes for international issues related to the U.S. or Taiwan,” said Zhang Jiadong, director of the Center for South Asian Studies at Fudan University in Shanghai.

Spoiler

Both governments would prefer to play down the clash, he said, but information from the remote battlefield leaking into Indian media forces Modi’s hand in a way that would not be possible in China.

“The clash happened because troops from both sides have a different understanding of where the line of actual control lies,” he said.

“This area is a barren hilltop with no economic or geostrategic value. From the Chinese government point of view, it is not worth destabilising bilateral relations over this,” said Zhang.

The border clash did not crack the top 50 searches on China’s Twitter-like Weibo on Tuesday.

PRESSURE DIFFERENTIAL

In India, opposition leaders, former generals and diplomats have criticised Modi for failing to protect Indian lives and territory. Many have called for boycotts of Chinese goods. The story garners wall-to-wall coverage in domestic media.

The perceived threat from China - which humiliated India in a brief border war in 1962 - has overshadowed India’s COVID crisis, in which the number of cases has crossed 400,000 with no sign of a peak.

Former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said India stands behind Modi, but he must bear responsibility.

“We stand at historic crossroads. Our government’s decisions and actions will have serious bearings on how the future generations perceive us,” he said.

Such language makes it harder for Modi to compromise without losing face, analysts say.

Modi rode to power in 2014 vowing to turn India into an economic and military power, but China has pulled further ahead on his watch. Its economy is five times the size of India’s, with three times the military spending.

Control Risks said in a note that Modi’s administration will likely employ economic measures against China to placate public pressure, instead of risking military conflict with a stronger adversary.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-contrasting-domestic-responses-idUSKBN23U1TX

 

[Knight_Rider]

Indians desperate to prove Chinese lost soldiers

But like in the case of shot Pakistani F16 and 400 dead ‘Kashmiri Terrorists’ in Balakot, they ve NOTHING to show as evidence. NOT a single proof what so ever.

Where as Chinese just recently released their 10 captive soldiers and the whole world has seen the pics of deceased Colonel Babu and the Bihari Regiment. Now in desperation the army of Indian trolls is running from pillar to post citing sources like the Daily Fail.

Why is it so, that in every conflict Indian army only has verbal assurances to offer? Why do they never release and Videos and Pics to prove their claims.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Apart from previously provided link of dailymail.co.uk where they quoted saying China had 43 casualties, this is what statesman.com is saying:


China admits losing ‘less than 20’ troops including officer in clash with Indian soldiers at Galwan: Reports

https://www.thestatesman.com/india/...an-soldiers-at-galwan-reports-1502902536.html

You will often find these contradicting statements from China. As I said before in another thread, they will never reveal the truth being a communist country where everything is kept secret.

I find it hard to believe that 20 Indian soldiers died but not a single casualty from Chinese side. But suddenly they agreed to de-escalate the situation with mutual agreement.

If you are really that sure of that, the stay afloat on your cloud#9.

Why keep on coming here seeking for our approval?

Go and find your reassurances in 3rd rate tabloid press like Daily Mail.

 

[Rana]

So have the deaths of those Indian soldiers gone in vain? Considering both countries have agreed de-escalation?

 

[Pakpak]

So have the deaths of those Indian soldiers gone in vain? Considering both countries have agreed de-escalation?

China are still in the valley, watch Modi spin this as a victory and his idiotic fan base lap it up.

 

[gani999]

lol usnews is blog site now

its considered one of the most credible ones esp in academic circles.

(i havent even read the article so i dont even know whats your agenda here but just saying as this stood out)

For some people, credibility amounts to merely agreeing with their narrative.

And if only Indians were dying, only the Indian Army was weak, only the IAF incompetent and the Chinese and Pakistanis were superior in every particular, one wonders why J&K isn't in Pakistani hands and Chinese tanks aren't about to roll down Delhi's Rajpath in 24 hours?

Clearly something else is going on there.

 

[Rajdeep]

If you are really that sure of that, the stay afloat on your cloud#9.

Why keep on coming here seeking for our approval?

Go and find your reassurances in 3rd rate tabloid press like Daily Mail.

Sorry but what exactly you mean by 'coming here for our approval'? If there is a thread regarding India-China border tension...then all sides must be presented. The lie that only Indian soldiers died but not a single casualty from Chinese side must be called out loud.

So Indian media is not trust worthy, Daily mail is 3rd rate tabloid but this is what Chinese journalist is saying.

All I want is China to stop lying and tell the truth

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Based on what I know, Chinese side also suffered casualties in the Galwan Valley physical clash. I want to tell the Indian side, don’t be arrogant and misread China’s restraint as being weak. China doesn’t want to have a clash with India, but we don’t fear it.</p>— Hu Xijin 胡锡进 (@HuXijin_GT) <a href="https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1272818023225626624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

But like in the case of shot Pakistani F16 and 400 dead ‘Kashmiri Terrorists’ in Balakot, they ve NOTHING to show as evidence. NOT a single proof what so ever.

Where as Chinese just recently released their 10 captive soldiers and the whole world has seen the pics of deceased Colonel Babu and the Bihari Regiment. Now in desperation the army of Indian trolls is running from pillar to post citing sources like the Daily Fail.

Why is it so, that in every conflict Indian army only has verbal assurances to offer? Why do they never release and Videos and Pics to prove their claims.

So are you telling me that chinese killed 20 indian soldiers while our soldiers did nothing.
Secondly, chinese media is reporting that they are not revealing no. Of deaths as it can put undue pressure and things can escalate into war. They never claimed that they have zero casualties.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

China are still in the valley, watch Modi spin this as a victory and his idiotic fan base lap it up.

What else can they do? The only other option is to attack the Chinese posts where they encroached the "Indian" territory. They won't dare do that so the only thing left to save face is make grand speeches and trash Chinese tvs on the streets.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Sorry but what exactly you mean by 'coming here for our approval'? If there is a thread regarding India-China border tension...then all sides must be presented. The lie that only Indian soldiers died but not a single casualty from Chinese side must be called out loud.

So Indian media is not trust worthy, Daily mail is 3rd rate tabloid but this is what Chinese journalist is saying.

All I want is China to stop lying and tell the truth

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Based on what I know, Chinese side also suffered casualties in the Galwan Valley physical clash. I want to tell the Indian side, don’t be arrogant and misread China’s restraint as being weak. China doesn’t want to have a clash with India, but we don’t fear it.</p>— Hu Xijin 胡锡进 (@HuXijin_GT) <a href="https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1272818023225626624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Random poster-chinese soldiers killed x no. Of indians, is the indian army incompetent.

Same poster(when we explain him the reality) - why are indians trying to prove that chinese lost more troops.
Just see the hypocrisy here

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

But like in the case of shot Pakistani F16 and 400 dead ‘Kashmiri Terrorists’ in Balakot, they ve NOTHING to show as evidence. NOT a single proof what so ever.

Where as Chinese just recently released their 10 captive soldiers and the whole world has seen the pics of deceased Colonel Babu and the Bihari Regiment. Now in desperation the army of Indian trolls is running from pillar to post citing sources like the Daily Fail.

Why is it so, that in every conflict Indian army only has verbal assurances to offer? Why do they never release and Videos and Pics to prove their claims.

Because we trust whatever our army says. If tomorrow they say that they killed 99 soldiers and missed the century by 1 we will have to believe it. If we dare to question fekus and bhakhts for proofs, they will attack us and ask us to leave India and move to Pakistan instead. I mean even though Pakistan has nothing to do with this bhakhts still want to prove to Pakistan that we are the superpower.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Random poster-chinese soldiers killed x no. Of indians, is the indian army incompetent.

Same poster(when we explain him the reality) - why are indians trying to prove that chinese lost more troops.
Just see the hypocrisy here

Indians can just take back the land from the Chinese intruders, that will certainly shut up the hypocrites. When is that going to happen?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indians can just take back the land from the Chinese intruders, that will certainly shut up the hypocrites. When is that going to happen?

That's the question most of them are trying to avoid here. Lives of soldiers hardly matter to them and their beloved PM.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Tch tch tch

 

[Knight_Rider]

Random poster-chinese soldiers killed x no. Of indians, is the indian army incompetent.

Same poster(when we explain him the reality) - why are indians trying to prove that chinese lost more troops.
Just see the hypocrisy here

Billi ko Khuwab meh bhi.....

Aur bhejo Behari Regiment hand to hand fight k liay!

 

[Rajdeep]

Last bit of proof that casualties happened from both sides. Sorry to dig this deep but lets not accept a lie and consider it as a fact.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chinese side admitting deaths on their side (0:40 onwards and also later on again in the same interview)<a href="https://t.co/THOkeJfIpw">https://t.co/THOkeJfIpw</a></p>— Mohal Joshi (@MohalJoshi) <a href="https://twitter.com/MohalJoshi/status/1274799728559980544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>