China-India standoff and border tension

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India need outside help to take on China, but I don't see where it will come from. USA are moving closer to India politically, but at best they might take the opportunity to sell Apple phones to take advantage of Indians banning Chinese tech, but will they get directly involved in a military dispute? I highly doubt it, and that means the longer this confrontation goes on, the worse it will get for India. Not a good situation.

 

[msaaim89]

Pre-empted? In other words, trouble started by India?

 

[msaaim89]

India need outside help to take on China, but I don't see where it will come from. USA are moving closer to India politically, but at best they might take the opportunity to sell Apple phones to take advantage of Indians banning Chinese tech, but will they get directly involved in a military dispute? I highly doubt it, and that means the longer this confrontation goes on, the worse it will get for India. Not a good situation.

The location doesn't really allow for US presence so at best material support.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The location doesn't really allow for US presence so at best material support.

I think the most they will get is verbal support.

 

[Romali_rotti]

China butt hurt because India sent a warship to South China Sea ... Seriously what do these moro*** think ? The entire ocean belongs to them ? Oh geez maybe Indians and Americans should block off all Chinese ships from entering the Indian Ocean, see how they like that...

P.S. Heard on Twitter 15 Chinese Soldiers have been captured by Indian forces, any news on this ?

 

[msaaim89]

China butt hurt because India sent a warship to South China Sea ... Seriously what do these moro*** think ? The entire ocean belongs to them ? Oh geez maybe Indians and Americans should block off all Chinese ships from entering the Indian Ocean, see how they like that...

P.S. Heard on Twitter 15 Chinese Soldiers have been captured by Indian forces, any news on this ?

Most likely made up news as usual.

Why are you blaming the Chinese. Wording so far suggest India started this.

On a side note, why do you always want US support? Why doesn't India try itself to prevent Chinese ships from entering Erythraean Sea?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Most likely made up news as usual.

Why are you blaming the Chinese. Wording so far suggest India started this.

This happened imo because India sent a warship to South China Sea, they dont like it, Awwww …

On a side note, why do you always want US support? Why doesn’t India try itself to prevent Chinese ships from entering Erythraean Sea?

Because the Quad was created for a reason, India alone cannot take on China by itself, well they can and they can ruin China but India would be finished. I am now more than convinced China will be broken into a number of countries. The Chinese are showing all signs of the former Soviet Union. Cant wait till these tyrants are take out for good, most of the world will unite.

 

[JaDed]

When you go on to post Zee news irrespective of whether its truth or not, remember this same source would be used for posting other articles by Indian trolls and mods will have to allow in that case.

From Reuters:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST IN: Chinese military says it strongly demands India withdraw its troops from China-India border in order to avoid escalation of tension <a href="https://t.co/qxjug3yKob">pic.twitter.com/qxjug3yKob</a></p>— Reuters India (@ReutersIndia) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReutersIndia/status/1300422409057693697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Nostalgic]

Reports suggest this was on the south bank of Pangong Tso, not the northern bank famous for the fingers.

All this is a diversion though. The real Chinese thrust, when it comes, will be in Depsang.

 

[El Generico]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sunday’s border violations by PLA in Pangong-Chushul sector are more serious than govt is admitting.<br><br>China is steadily pushing the Line of Actual Control westwards. <br><br>The Indian Army wants to stop "dialogue" and take action. But New Delhi is desperate for a negotiated solution.</p>— Ajai Shukla (@ajaishukla) <a href="https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1300368201524473857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[JaDed]

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/china-ladakh-army-status-quo-south-bank-of-pangong-tso-6577104/

Even as the talks between India and China to resolve the nearly four-month long standoff in eastern Ladakh have been stuck in a stalemate since mid-July, the Army said on Monday morning that China has tried to create fresh trouble at a new point over the weekend.

The Army mentioned that the Chinese troops tried to change the status quo on the south bank of Pangong Tso on the night of 29 August and 30 August, an attempt that was thwarted by the Army.

“On the Night of 29/30 August 2020, PLA troops violated the previous consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements during the ongoing standoff in Eastern Ladakh and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo,” the Army said in its statement.

“Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the Southern Bank of Pangong Tso Lake, undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground. The Indian Army is committed to maintaining peace and tranquility through dialogue, but is also equally determined to protect its territorial integrity. A Brigade Commander level Flag Meeting is in progress at Chushul to resolve the issues.”


It is significant as while the north bank of Pangong Tso has been a major point of contention between the two sides in the standoff that began in early May, there has not been any issue regarding the south bank of the lake until now.

On the north bank the Chinese troops continue to hold the ridgeline of the Finger 4 spur, which is 8 km west of Finger 8, the spur India says the Line of Actual Control passes through. The Chinese troops have been strengthening their positions between Finger 8 and Finger 5 since the standoff began, and have refused to move back further.

Apart from Pangong Tso area, there has not been any disengagement in the Gogra sector, too.

In the north, in Depsang Plains, the Chinese troops are at a point known as the Bottleneck, which is 18 km west of the LAC. China has blocked Indian troops access to five patrolling points in the area, which is close to the strategically important Daulat Beg Oldie post of India near the Karakoram Pass in the north.

Also read: Jaishankar, Wang Yi likely to discuss steps in Moscow next month

While the two sides have held several rounds of military and diplomatic discussions, there has not been any disengagement since July 14, due to China’s obstinate stand. China has been demanding that any disengagement be mutual, which means that both sides would have to pull back their troops by an equal distance, a condition unacceptable to India as it would give China an advantage due to the better infrastructure and easier terrain on its side.

India has been demanding status quo ante, for the troops on both sides to move back to their April-end positions.

Also read: LAC rivers in spate, Army prepares for October when weather improves

After three rounds of talks between Corps Commanders in June and July, the troops from both sides had completed the disengagement at two friction points: at Patrolling Point 14 (PP14) in Galwan Valley, and PP15 in Hot Springs sector. PP14 was the site of violent clashes between the troops from both sides on June 15 in which India lost 20 soldiers and an undeclared number of Chinese troops had also been killed.

The fresh tension, now on the south bank of Pangong Tso could create more hurdles to find a resolution. The two sides had been planning to hold another round of military discussions, either at the Corps Commander level or at the level of Division Commanders.

Apart from the presence of Chinese troops at these points, the other major concern has been the significant military build-up by China in the depth areas, where it has positioned additional troops and military equipment. India has also mirrored the build-up by deploying additional divisions, and air defence assets and air force assets.

 

[JaDed]

I'm not quoting TOI yet because its an useless source but as per them China constructed missile site at Kailash Mansarovar...will wait for other sources

 

[Varun]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#55358;&#56592; (for now) <a href="https://t.co/hOsudjNx7q">pic.twitter.com/hOsudjNx7q</a></p>— Shiv Aroor (@ShivAroor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/1300428584419504135?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What's going on? Have we stopped being sitting ducks at last?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Funny but I don't think its Pakistan or Turkey that you should worry about

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sunday's border violations by PLA in Pangong-Chushul sector are more serious than govt is admitting.<br><br>China is steadily pushing the Line of Actual Control westwards. <br><br>The Indian Army wants to stop "dialogue" and take action. But New Delhi is desperate for a negotiated solution.</p>— Ajai Shukla (@ajaishukla) <a href="https://twitter.com/ajaishukla/status/1300368201524473857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

OHHH Phew Thank God, now that Ammayi's Sonya's employee Shukla made the tweet, I can be in peace knowing the opposite of what he said has happened.


Thanks

 

[Varun]

OHHH Phew Thank God, now that Ammayi's Sonya's employee Shukla made the tweet, I can be in peace knowing the opposite of what he said has happened.

If you like Modi/Shah more than India, you can stay out of this thread and in that desert island at the corner of the planet where you belong. Cheers.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST IN: Chinese military says it strongly demands India withdraw its troops from China-India border in order to avoid escalation of tension <a href="https://t.co/qxjug3yKob">pic.twitter.com/qxjug3yKob</a></p>— Reuters India (@ReutersIndia) <a href="https://twitter.com/ReutersIndia/status/1300422409057693697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Something has happened on the night of August 29 - 30. I strongly hope we have fought fire with fire and occupied some of their territory in return for their actions in May.

Still developing at the moment.

 

[Romali_rotti]

If you like Modi/Shah more than India, you can stay out of this thread and in that desert island at the corner of the planet where you belong. Cheers.

.

I will do what I want... Put me on ignore, if you are too sensitive, stop your crying....

 

[El Generico]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� (for now) <a href="https://t.co/hOsudjNx7q">pic.twitter.com/hOsudjNx7q</a></p>— Shiv Aroor (@ShivAroor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/1300428584419504135?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What's going on? Have we stopped being sitting ducks at last?

A lot of Indians on social media are celebrating the supposed intrusions by the Indian army which is understandable. But China may use this as a justification to launch a full fledged attack. I think we might see major developments this month regrading this dispute.

 

[JaDed]

Any country with a strong economy will stay, if USSR was economically sound it would had stayed longer.

 

[MenInG]

New Delhi: The Indian Army, now controlling multiple key ridges on the south bank of the Pangong Lake, has effective military control of the entire disputed area in the region.

Sources have told NDTV that the army is positioned in a manner that ensures that the entire disputed area, right till India's perception of the Line of Actual Control in the region, can be defended. Senior officials say the army's occupation of these key heights is an entirely defensive move, done to counter a Chinese build-up with tanks and troops on their side of the LAC in the area.

This was done on the night of August 29 and August 30 in contravention of the confidence building measures that both sides have worked out during the recent military talks in Eastern Ladakh, where major military movements are not supposed to be carried out at night.

In dominating the heights, soldiers of the Indian Army also over-see the crucial Spanggur Gap, a key passage in the area through which troop movement can take place. China has also built a tarred road on the south bank of the neighbouring Spanggur Lake, through which it can bring in heavy vehicles including tanks and armoured personnel carriers. By dominating the heights in this area, the Indian Army can sight the movement of these vehicles.

There has been no breakthrough in Brigadier-level talks in the regions to diffuse the situation. A second round of talks is presently on in the Chushul area.

In a strongly worded statement this morning, its sternest so far, the Chinese Embassy in New Delhi has said, ''India's move has grossly violated China's territorial sovereignty, seriously violated relevant agreements, protocols and important consensus reached between the two countries.'' The statement also says that India's military moves have ''severely damaged peace and tranquility along China-India border areas.''

The south-bank of the Pangong Lake saw fierce clashes between the Indian and Chinese People's Liberation Army in the 1962 war. The Indian build-up in the area is meant to defend Indian territory in the key Chushul Valley in the region.

Since early May, Chinese forces have made incursions in six areas along the disputed Line of Actual Control in Eastern Ladakh. In clashes in Galwan, 20 Indian soldiers were killed in action though a buffer zone between the forces has since been created.

In other areas, including the North bank of the Pangong Lake, there has been no substantial military disengagement despite several rounds of military and diplomatic talks.

Senior officials have told NDTV that by attempting to open up a new front on the South Bank of the Pangong Lake, in an area which has traditionally been heavily defended by the Indian Army, Chinese forces are intent to unilaterally change the status of the Line of Actual Control, a worrying signal that New Delhi feels it has to proactively respond to.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...-pangong-sources-2288519?pfrom=home-topscroll

 

[cricketjoshila]

India captures Chinese camp in disputed Ladakh as violence erupts again between superpowers

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....ese-camp-disputed-ladakh-violence-erupts/amp/

 

[cricketjoshila]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As an Indian commando unit and Army forces dominate a series of heights on the Pangong's south bank, Indian and Chinese tanks within range of each other as talks continue at Moldo. My report. <a href="https://t.co/3ecIRt7TX9">https://t.co/3ecIRt7TX9</a> <a href="https://t.co/AWZIv4Bm8I">pic.twitter.com/AWZIv4Bm8I</a></p>— Shiv Aroor (@ShivAroor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/1300688325313880064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Romali_rotti]

More than whats happening in Ladakh, I want to get an update on the warship we deployed in the ocean next to China.

 

[AdamM97]

Any country with a strong economy will stay, if USSR was economically sound it would had stayed longer.

And that’s the difference between USSR and Communist China. USSR refused to be pragmatic and open itself to the world. China, despite their communism realizes the importance of free trade.

 

[AdamM97]

On topic though. The recent tensions between India and China won’t resolve any time soon. Just add another border dispute that India will have for a long time.

 

[Varun]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As an Indian commando unit and Army forces dominate a series of heights on the Pangong's south bank, Indian and Chinese tanks within range of each other as talks continue at Moldo. My report. <a href="https://t.co/3ecIRt7TX9">https://t.co/3ecIRt7TX9</a> <a href="https://t.co/AWZIv4Bm8I">pic.twitter.com/AWZIv4Bm8I</a></p>— Shiv Aroor (@ShivAroor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/1300688325313880064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Is this hilltop on the Indian or Chinese side of the LAC?

Either way, we are drifting close to war.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is this hilltop on the Indian or Chinese side of the LAC?

Either way, we are drifting close to war.

Or close to a quid pro quo.

 

[MenInG]

A soldier of Tibetan origin with India's special forces has reportedly been killed in the latest border confrontation between India and China on their contested Himalayan border, fuelling concerns of a wider military confrontation between the two regional powers.

The death is the first reported from two incidents occurring within 48 hours on the border, two months after a battle that left at least 20 Indian soldiers dead.

India and China, which fought a border war in 1962, have each accused the other of trying to cross their unofficial frontier in the Ladakh region in an attempt to gain territory.

Neither side has announced any casualties, but Namgyal Dolkar Lhagyari, a member of the Tibetan parliament in exile, told AFP news agency on Tuesday that the Tibetan-origin soldier was "martyred during the clash" on Saturday night. She did not identify the soldier by name.

She said another member of the Special Frontier Force, which reportedly includes many ethnic Tibetans who oppose China's claim to their home region, was wounded in the operation.

The world's two most populous countries have sent tens of thousands of troops to the region since a brutal June 15 battle fought with wooden clubs and fists.

India has said 20 troops were killed. China has acknowledged casualties but has not given figures.

The two sides have blamed each other for the latest incidents.

Meanwhile, the United States said on Tuesday it was closely monitoring the border dispute, adding that it hoped for a peaceful resolution.

'Provocative movements'
Earlier, India's defence ministry said Chinese troops "carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo" at the border on Saturday.

China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) said that India was "seriously violating China's territorial sovereignty" with its operation on Monday and demanded that Indian troops withdraw.

A Chinese embassy spokeswoman in New Delhi also denied that Chinese troops started the latest flare-up, accusing Indian troops of trespassing across the Line of Actual Control - the de facto border - and conducting "flagrant provocations".

India's foreign ministry said on Tuesday that China had caused the latest incident "even as ground commanders of the two sides were in discussions to de-escalate the situation."

"Due to timely defensive action, the Indian side was able to prevent these attempts from unilaterally altering the status quo," ministry spokesman Anurag Srivastava said in a statement.

Indian media reports, quoting military sources, said PLA forces tried to take hilltops traditionally claimed by India around Pangong Tso, a lake at an altitude of 4,200 metres (13,800 feet).

India's defence ministry said its troops "undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground".

In a statement on Tuesday, a United States Department of State spokesperson said Washington was closely monitoring the border dispute between India and China and it hoped for a peaceful resolution.

After the deadly incident in June, the most serious clash between the two countries in 50 years, both sides agreed to pull back with military chiefs in the region holding five rounds of talks.

But the Indian military said this week that Beijing had reneged on the agreement.

Since then, there have been growing calls in India to boycott Chinese goods, and New Delhi has repeatedly warned that relations would suffer unless Chinese troops pull back.

India has banned at least 49 Chinese owned-apps, including the TikTok video platform, frozen Chinese firms out of contracts and held up Chinese goods at customs posts as tensions have increased.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ed-china-border-skirmish-200902010505237.html

 

[Romali_rotti]

Quad ministerial meet in Delhi soon, says US deputy secretary of state Stephen Biegun

A quad ministerial meet between India, US, Australia and Japan is being planned and is expected to take place in Delhi, according to US deputy secretary of state Stephen Biegun.

Speaking at the US-India Strategic Partnership Forum, Biegun said, "There’s going to be a meeting of the Quad, a ministerial meeting with the Quad this fall in Delhi – that’s the intention anyway – in person."

"I’d say this Quad concept has really helped India find a place in the Indo-Pacific – in the larger Indo-Pacific theatre. It’s also obviously indeed in our interest to have India as a partner in these issues," Biegun added.

A source from one of the Quad country told WION,"details of the meet are still being worked out, but there is strong intent to hold something in coming months. Meet could happen after the Indian parliament's session is over."

Indian Parliament's monsoon session will take place from September 14 to October 1.

The Quad foreign ministers had met last year on the sidelines of United Nations General Assembly meeting in the New Year which was the first such meet of the grouping.

Underlining the common democratic set-up of the Quad countries, Biegun said, "Quad... represents four extraordinarily solid democracies" and "shared values that complement shared interests and creates a solid foundation. And so at its core, what the Quad is, is a combination of democracies."

Quad is viewed with suspicion by China which views it as a grouping that is anti-Bejing. Asked about Quad being an anti-China grouping, Biegun said,"I don’t think responding to the threat of China in and of itself or any potential challenge from China in and of itself would be enough of a driver. It also has to have a positive agenda."

"The purpose here can be to create a critical mass around the shared values and interests of those parties in a manner that attracts more countries in the Indo-Pacific," Biegun added.

https://www.wionews.com/india-news/...puty-secretary-of-state-stephen-biegun-324429


Not good news for China... More and more trouble coming their way...

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://theprint.in/defence/army-no...ong-tso/495077/?amp&__twitter_impression=true


Army now holding 30 dominating heights, earlier unoccupied, on southern bank of Pangong Tso

 

[finalfantasy7]

this still going on, has india proved that they killed a single Chinese troop

 

[MenInG]

India's army chief General Manoj Mukund Naravane says he is confident the continuing border standoff with China can be resolved through talks, even as thousands of troops remained amassed along a disputed Western Himalayan region.

"We are sure that the problem can be resolved fully through talks," Naravane told Reuters partner ANI on Friday during a visit to the Ladakh region, where tensions flared earlier this week after the rivals accused each other of seizing territory on their contested border at the Pangong Tso lake area.

Tens of thousands of troops from the two nuclear-armed countries have been squaring off since border skirmishes erupted in April.

India accuses China of violating bilateral agreements by pushing its troops through the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the de facto border between the two Asian giants.

"The situation along the LAC is slightly tense," Naravane said, adding that India had deployed additional troops in some areas to stall any attempted Chinese incursions.

China, however, has blamed India for trespassing over the LAC over the weekend, saying the "move has grossly violated China's territorial sovereignty," according to a Chinese embassy spokesperson in New Delhi.

However, both countries have repeatedly said that they are keen on talks to resolve the process, with military officials meeting for several days this week south of the Pangong Tso lake, where the latest flare-up occurred.

Possible meeting between defence ministers
Indian and Chinese media on Friday reported a possible meeting between defence ministers of both countries in Moscow, where they are attending a Shanghai Cooperation Organisation gathering.

"Based on what I know, this arrangement between the two sides has made progress. The meeting between Wei Fenghe and Rajnath Singh has a big probability to be held," Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of China’s Global Times newspaper said on Twitter, naming the two defence ministers.

A spokesman for India's defence ministry said he had no information on a likely meeting, which would be the first face-to-face talks between senior Indian and Chinese officials since the stand-off intensified after a clash between troops in June.

On Thursday, India's Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said that a solution to the border row has to be resolved through diplomacy.

Twenty Indian soldiers were killed in brutal hand-to-hand fighting in Ladakh's Galwan Valley on June 15, with the Chinese side also suffering an undisclosed number of casualties.

Accusing each other of instigating the violence, both sides have pledged to safeguard their territory but also to try to end the standoff that dramatically changed India-China bilateral relationship.

India on Wednesday banned another 118 Chinese apps in a stepped-up backlash over the increasingly bitter border showdown. New Delhi had already banned 59 Chinese apps - including the video-sharing platform TikTok - following the June incidents.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...resolve-border-row-china-200904074507962.html

 

[Romali_rotti]

https://theprint.in/defence/army-no...ong-tso/495077/?amp&__twitter_impression=true


Army now holding 30 dominating heights, earlier unoccupied, on southern bank of Pangong Tso

Advantage India..

Praying for the safety of our troops... God bless them...

 

[Lonewarrior]

india is occupying the hieghts which were unoccupied under its own territory... lol
let us know when india will take over the 60km under the chinese occupation ....

 

[Mesozoic]

india is occupying the hieghts which were unoccupied under its own territory... lol
let us know when india will take over the 60km under the chinese occupation ....

Heights are occupied in the buffer zone , kiddo.....

Whatever "occupation" that has happened so far at the LAC from both sides has been inside the buffer zones. But who am I to spoil your pipe dreams. 60 km lol.

 

[zizour]

this still going on, has india proved that they killed a single Chinese troop

India dos not need to prove anything. The fact is people who need to know and their lackeys must have got enough and more proof. Thats good enough. As the saying goes 'the head knows what the tail does not need to know'

 

[Romali_rotti]

China plane crash: Taiwan accused of shooting down fighter jet with missile defence system

TAIWAN has been forced to publicly reject claims it shot down a Chinese military jet, after speculation spiralled out of control on social media.

By BILL MCLOUGHLIN

PUBLISHED: 10:16, Fri, Sep 4, 2020 | UPDATED: 13:09, Fri, Sep 4, 2020

In video footage circulated online, flames and smoke can be seen emanating from the landing site of a Chinese military jet. The jet was claimed to have crashed in Guangxi after flying over the Taiwan Strait. In the video, the pilot is seen to be motionless on a stretcher as members of the public gather around him.

The emergence of the mysterious video - which has not been verified - has sparked panic in Taiwan, with relations between the nation and China already on a knife edge.

Amid whirling speculation, Taiwan's Ministry of National Defense has been forced to release a statement denying they were responsible for the crash.

Describing the rumours as a "malicious act", the department described the video as "fake news".

In a statement, the department said: "In response to rumours online that claim a Chinese Su-35 fighter jet had been shot down by Taiwan air defense systems, #ROCAirForce would like to categorically state this is fake news.

"We urge netizens to not spread it and strongly condemn this malicious act."

China has yet to confirm whether a plane crash even happened in the first place, let alone the cause of it.

Tensions between China and Taiwan have soured rapidly in recent months with the autonomous island warning the Chinese airforce has repeatedly violated its airspace.

Located off China's coast, Taiwan is seen as part of the mainland, with the Communist Party vowing to one day reclaim the island.

In order to protect its independence, the US has a defence treaty with the island whereby it well sell arms to the Taiwanese military.

In July, the US State Department approved a surface to air missile deal with Taiwan.

The package will be an upgrade on the current Patriot surface-to-air missile system currently used.

Washington has also increased its naval presence in the South and Eash China Seas.

Two missile destroyer class ships have sailed through the vital Taiwan Strait in the last two weeks.

These exercises have been under the guise of freedom of navigation movements.

China has also threatened nations across the world if they stand with Taiwan.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...shoot-fighter-jet-world-war-3-missile-defence



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Wow, if Taiwan did shoot down a Chinese Jet, we are not far from a WW III. Majority of the World vs China, this will be a sad story for China when it all ends lol..

I like the bit where it says ' Taiwan has been forced to deny shooting down the Chinese Jet' .. South China sea is really boiling, infested with American, Japanese, ships etc...

 

[Poseidon]

india will find itself alone if China decided to go to war, india is a cannon fodder for US and europe. chinese strategy is good and working well, they are claiming of indian incursion so they will take care of indians in winter. this will be longest winter for indian troops in laddakh. not even chinese have occupied Indian land in last skirmish they are going to take more in winter. indians got triggered easily by anything related to word china ) ) )

 

[Technics 1210]

So the question is how many Apps are worth the life of an Indian soilder? Seems to me the only response from India is banning apps when Indian lives are lost.

 

[msaaim89]

So the question is how many Apps are worth the life of an Indian soilder? Seems to me the only response from India is banning apps when Indian lives are lost.

India has said enough is enough, and have now occupied heights already within their control.

 

[Poseidon]

India has said enough is enough, and have now occupied heights already within their control.

Lol what the hell ? occupying the land which is already in their control ? this is Gold ) ) ) ) )

 

[Poseidon]

So the question is how many Apps are worth the life of an Indian soilder? Seems to me the only response from India is banning apps when Indian lives are lost.

not only indian soldiers lives, they also lost land from china in latest skirmish in laddak.

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

india will find itself alone if China decided to go to war, india is a cannon fodder for US and europe. chinese strategy is good and working well, they are claiming of indian incursion so they will take care of indians in winter. this will be longest winter for indian troops in laddakh. not even chinese have occupied Indian land in last skirmish they are going to take more in winter. indians got triggered easily by anything related to word china ) ) )

Whatever makes you sleep at night. Can't stop any one from fantasizing.

 

[Mesozoic]

Lol what the hell ? occupying the land which is already in their control ? this is Gold ) ) ) ) )

Oh that explains why China are moaning about Indian soldiers crossing LAC "urging" us not to provocate.

 

[Poseidon]

"NDTV has learned that despite the over-all domination of Indian forces in the region, the Chinese Army continue to hold positions on Black-Top and Helmet, two features on the Chinese side of the Line of Actual Control. "

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/major-chinese-tank-infantry-build-up-in-pangong-as-standoff-intensifies-2290356

 

[Poseidon]

It seems China is working on a strategy against India since both armies are manoeuvring around a fluid buffer zone but consider this, if LAC becomes a killing zone like Kashmir's LOC. Soldiers entrenched and bunkered on both sides, artillery duels and sniping. That eliminates all the capturing and re-capturing of the hills as a static line is drawn and its heavily defended. India started violations of LOC against Pakistan Army to put an economic drain on Pakistan, however India too had to put all sorts of modern gadgetry on LOC eventually and pays the price through blood of its soldiers. The same doesn't work for China, since China makes almost every thing in-house, while India resorts to weapon imports so its able to match its adversaries. There can't be a war of attrition on LAC also, since PLA Army matches Indian Army in strength.

The propaganda machine of Indian media is excellent at its job, so giving false numbers of Chinese causalities similar to what happens on LOC and showing falsely marked graves won't be issue, however the accident rate in Indian Military will rise to high proportions. Training accidents, deployment accidents, ordinance accidents, traffic accidents, construction accidents, natural disasters, the list can be given any shape as per the circumstances. Next, in the long run, China brings Nepal in the scenario against India. There are 7 x infantry Divisions of Nepalese Army and there are issues of disputed land between Nepal and India. Consider another militarised zone like LOC Kashmir between India and Nepal, with Chinese providing weapons and training to Nepal Army. This locks formations of Indian Army at three borders, something that India tried to with Pakistan. Locking Pakistan on durand line and on border with Iran apart from LOC. Pakistan tackled the problem effectively.

 

[Poseidon]

Lol. The Indians are now in a position where they are forced to defend occupied lands from both China and Pakistan, exponentially increasing their already high costs - that's not sustainable, not for their long-term growth plans.

 

[Poseidon]

Actually Indian planners are deeply worried about the synergy that exists between PAF and PLAAF in any future conflict with India. PAF has been training extensively with PLAAF in the Shaheen series of exercises mainly in Hotan AB near Ladakh.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ShaheenVIII?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ShaheenVIII</a> exercises hv closely replicated full scenarios of actual warfare in Xinjiang - 50 fighter jets n military planes, surface-to-air missile regiment, carried out trainings: gain air superiority, suppress air defence n strike ground targets, air attack, joint air defence <a href="https://t.co/1MjcCyMaXH">pic.twitter.com/1MjcCyMaXH</a></p>— Eva Zheng 郑怡斌 عائشة (@evazhengll) <a href="https://twitter.com/evazhengll/status/1170510352662052866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hotan is a major PLAAF AB near Ladakh hosting numerous aircrafts ranging from J-11s, J-8s, JH-7s, J-7s, Y-8s, UCAVs and a series of air defence systems. More than a hundred frontline aircraft are based here and increasing.

Facing Indian AirBase of Leh from the West is Pakistans recently upgraded Qadri AirBase (Skardu). This AirBase with newly built infrastructure can house JF-17s, F-16s, Mirages and others at the time of need.

INDIAN VULNERABILITY AT SIACHIN AND DBO

According to General HS Panag "The preemptive intrusions and concentration of troops at Depsang, Galwan river, Hot Springs-Gogra-Kongka La and north of Pangong Tso places India at a disadvantage in a war. The DBO Sector is likely to be completely isolated by an offensive in Galwan River valley and the bottleneck area at Burtse. " DBO is the staging HQ for the IA Siachin Brigade, if it falls so does Siachin.

 

[Nostalgic]

According to General HS Panag "The preemptive intrusions and concentration of troops at Depsang, Galwan river, Hot Springs-Gogra-Kongka La and north of Pangong Tso places India at a disadvantage in a war. The DBO Sector is likely to be completely isolated by an offensive in Galwan River valley and the bottleneck area at Burtse. " DBO is the staging HQ for the IA Siachin Brigade, if it falls so does Siachin.

Is the bit in bold part of the quote? I was listening to another of their generals, some guy called Hooda who was apparently the chief of their Northwestern command till a few years back, and he did not agree with this. Even on Google maps, the road to the Siachen base camp can be seen going from Leh through the Nubra valley along the Nubra river. So I’m not convinced that the fall of DBO (and SSN generally), it’s strategic importance notwithstanding, would actually result in a fall of Siachen too.

 

[MenInG]

India, China defence ministers meet amid rising border tensions

It was the first high-level contact between the two sides since the standoff began months ago in the Himalayan region.

Defence ministers of India and China have met in the Russian capital as the two Asian nuclear powers try to resolve rising tensions along their disputed border in the eastern Ladakh region.

Neither side gave details of the meeting on Friday between India's Rajnath Singh and China's General Wei Fenghe - the first high-level contact between the two sides since the standoff erupted months ago in the Himalayan region, where a clash in June killed 20 Indian soldiers.

The ministers met on the sidelines of a gathering of the defence chiefs of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, which comprises China, India, Pakistan, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

"Peace and security in the region demands a climate of trust, non-aggression, peaceful resolution of differences and respect for international rules," Singh said at the meeting.

India's defence ministry tweeted the meeting lasted for two hours and 20 minutes, without providing further details.

Wei told Singh the two nations should "cool down" the situation and "maintain peace and tranquility," the Chinese defence ministry said on its website.

However, it said responsibility for the tension "lies completely with India". "Not one inch of Chinese territory can be lost," the Chinese ministry said.

The disputed 3,500-km (2,175-mile) border between the world's two most populous countries stretches from the Ladakh region in the north to the eastern Indian state of Sikkim.

The latest standoff is over portions of a pristine landscape that boasts the world's highest landing strip and a glacier that feeds one of the largest irrigation systems in the world.

Tens of thousands of troops from the two nations have been squaring off in difficult terrain above 4,300 meters (14,000 feet) since border skirmishes erupted in April.

India accuses China of violating bilateral agreements by pushing its troops through the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the de facto border between the two Asian giants.

China, on the other hand, last week blamed India for trespassing over the LAC, saying the "move has grossly violated China's territorial sovereignty".

US 'ready to help'
Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump on Friday said his country is ready to help resolve the India-China dispute.

Trump told reporters the situation was "very nasty", adding that the two countries were "going at it much more strongly than a lot of people even understand".

A US government source told Reuters news agency in Washington the US assessment is that neither China nor India are interested in pushing the dispute to the point that they would engage in war.

Trump, asked about the dispute at a news briefing in the White House, said Washington was talking with both countries about what it could do to help defuse the situation.

"We stand ready to help with respect to China and India. If we can do anything, we would love to get involved and help," he said.

Trump has offered to mediate between the two nuclear-armed nations in the past. China has said there is no need for a third party to mediate, while India has also appeared cool to the idea.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...00905064741115.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Hermoine Green]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">China’s PLA has reportedly abducted five people from Arunachal Pradesh <a href="https://t.co/6X2xdtdGv6">https://t.co/6X2xdtdGv6</a></p>— The Hindu (@the_hindu) <a href="https://twitter.com/the_hindu/status/1302141933767340033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">China’s PLA has reportedly abducted five people from Arunachal Pradesh <a href="https://t.co/6X2xdtdGv6">https://t.co/6X2xdtdGv6</a></p>— The Hindu (@the_hindu) <a href="https://twitter.com/the_hindu/status/1302141933767340033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Let me calculate first

59 (apps) / 20 (soldiers killed) = approx 2.95 apps banned per soldier killed

5 (abducted) * 2.95 = 14.75

No worries. We will ban approximately 15 chinese apps this time.

 

[Firebat]

India and China agree to ease tension on border

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India and China said on Saturday they had agreed to work towards reducing tensions along their contested border, following a meeting of the defense ministers of the nuclear-armed Asian giants.

Both sides deployed additional forces along the frontier running through the western Himalayas after a clash in June, during which 20 Indian soldiers were killed in hand-to-hand fighting. China has not released casualty figures for its troops.

In the highest level face-to-face political contact between India and China since tensions first flared along the border in May, defense ministers Rajnath Singh of India and General Wei Fenghe of China met late on Friday on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation meeting in Moscow.

Both countries agreed that “neither side should take any further action that could either complicate the situation or escalate matters in the border areas,” India’s defense ministry said in a statement.

Wei said the two sides should promote peace and stability and work to cool current tensions, China’s Ministry of Defence said in a news report about the meeting posted on its website.

He said, however, that blame for the recent tensions lay “entirely with India”, adding that China was determined to safeguard its national sovereignty and territory.

China called on India to strengthen control of its frontline forces, refrain from provocative actions and “refrain from deliberately hyping and disseminating negative information”.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...agree-to-ease-tension-on-border-idUSKBN25W0C2

 

[Rajdeep]

'Chinese firms are learning a painful lesson': India's app crackdown opens doors for U.S. tech giants

India's crackdown on Chinese apps could help the country's homegrown technology firms grow, analysts told CNBC.

"Chinese firms are learning a painful lesson. And, that is, the foreign policy of China has hijacked their business. China's geopolitics with India has led to a nationwide fallout for Chinese firms," Abishur Prakash, a geopolitical specialist at the Center for Innovating the Future (CIF), a Toronto, Canada-based consulting firm, told CNBC by email.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/04/india-crackdown-on-chinese-tech-opens-doors-for-us-giants.html

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] What lessons bhaijaan? Xiaomi is still selling its phones in India and no one is protesting. Why this selective ban? Why not ban everything chinese and whoever selling chinese items should be asked to move to China.

This article was posted on 31st August.

The Xiaomi Redmi 9 will be up for sale in India today. Interested users can buy the device through the Amazon India website and Mi.com. The Xiaomi Redmi 9 price in India starts from Rs 8,999, and it will go on sale at 12:00PM today. The top features of the handset are MediaTek Helio G35 chipset, dual rear cameras, 5,000mAh battery, and more.

https://www.bgr.in/news/xiaomi-redm...price-rs-8999-specifications-and-more-911662/

 

[Rajdeep]

[MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION] What lessons bhaijaan? Xiaomi is still selling its phones in India and no one is protesting. Why this selective ban? Why not ban everything chinese and whoever selling chinese items should be asked to move to China.

This article was posted on 31st August.

The Xiaomi Redmi 9 will be up for sale in India today. Interested users can buy the device through the Amazon India website and Mi.com. The Xiaomi Redmi 9 price in India starts from Rs 8,999, and it will go on sale at 12:00PM today. The top features of the handset are MediaTek Helio G35 chipset, dual rear cameras, 5,000mAh battery, and more.

https://www.bgr.in/news/xiaomi-redm...price-rs-8999-specifications-and-more-911662/

You should say this to CNBC analyst and not me. I just quoted their article. Stop burning dude

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You should say this to CNBC analyst and not me. I just quoted their article. Stop burning dude

Burning lol? I asked a simple question but it seems you have no answer for this hypocrisy by India. Pretty much expected behaviour.

 

[finalfantasy7]

India dos not need to prove anything. The fact is people who need to know and their lackeys must have got enough and more proof. Thats good enough. As the saying goes 'the head knows what the tail does not need to know'

india does need to prove it statements - u cant say things like this - china proved they taken your land and killed 20 indian troops.

india kept saying nothing been taken and few troops died, then saying 40 chinese troops died

 

[Nostalgic]

Meanwhile, somewhere over the Taiwan Strait...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Su35?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Su35</a> <a href="https://t.co/sgAjq3pcLL">pic.twitter.com/sgAjq3pcLL</a></p>— Sheikh Sahab (@PaharhiKashmiri) <a href="https://twitter.com/PaharhiKashmiri/status/1302110427162144768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Romali_rotti]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MUpMrdYt_Hg" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
.

 

[msaaim89]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MUpMrdYt_Hg" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
.

Quite desperate aren't you, trying to pin the opinion of a few to the majority.

Most people can see through this.

 

[Pakpak]

Meanwhile, somewhere over the Taiwan Strait...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Su35?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Su35</a> <a href="https://t.co/sgAjq3pcLL">pic.twitter.com/sgAjq3pcLL</a></p>— Sheikh Sahab (@PaharhiKashmiri) <a href="https://twitter.com/PaharhiKashmiri/status/1302110427162144768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Taiwan was absolutely furious Indians were making this up.

Not sure why they have developed a fetish for making up plane shootings or surgical strikes fantasy. But hey, whatever helps them get off.

 

[Rajdeep]

Tencent loses nearly $34 billion since the PUBG Mobile ban in India — its second-largest valuation dip this year

The company behind the Chinese app PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds (PUBG) Mobile, Tencent, is trading in the red for a second straight day after the Indian government banned the battle royale game.

Its market value has plummeted by nearly $34 billion over the last two days with Tencent's share price falling by 2% yesterday and is over 3% in the red so far today.

The company said that they will engage with the Indian authorities to ensure the continued availability of their apps in India.

https://www.businessinsider.in/busi...34-billion-in-2-days/articleshow/77924912.cms

PuBG is suffering massive losses. Didnt realize Indian market was so big.

 

[msaaim89]

Tencent loses nearly $34 billion since the PUBG Mobile ban in India — its second-largest valuation dip this year

The company behind the Chinese app PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds (PUBG) Mobile, Tencent, is trading in the red for a second straight day after the Indian government banned the battle royale game.

Its market value has plummeted by nearly $34 billion over the last two days with Tencent's share price falling by 2% yesterday and is over 3% in the red so far today.

The company said that they will engage with the Indian authorities to ensure the continued availability of their apps in India.

https://www.businessinsider.in/busi...34-billion-in-2-days/articleshow/77924912.cms

PuBG is suffering massive losses. Didnt realize Indian market was so big.

Didn't realise? India has a bigger population than all of Europe.

 

[Abdullah719]

Indian army asks China’s PLA if missing civilians in their custody

GUWAHATI, India (Reuters) - The Indian Army has asked its Chinese counterpart if five civilians who went missing from an eastern border state days ago were in their custody, an Indian military spokesman said on Monday.

Relations between the nuclear-armed Asian giants have hit a multi-decade low since clashes at their western Himalayan border in June that killed 20 Indian soldiers.

Both sides have since stepped up monitoring of their largely unsettled 3,488 km (2,167 miles) border.

The five missing men are from the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, which is also claimed by China that calls it South Tibet, and the Indian Army said it told China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) about the five on Saturday.

“We spoke with them on the hotline and told them that it’s suspected that some people have crossed across to your side and we will be grateful if you could hand them over back, as per what we do normally,” Lieutenant Colonel Harsh Wardhan Pande, a spokesman for India’s defense forces, told Reuters.

“There is no earmarked line going through the forest or the mountains, so they keep moving here and there. So they might have gone there. It’s a very normal thing.”

He said they were yet to hear back from the Chinese.

A Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said at a daily briefing that he was not aware of the situation.

Separately, a Tibetan member of an Indian special forces unit who died days ago in a mine blast near the site of a border flare-up with Chinese troops in the western Himalayas was cremated on Monday. His death gave a rare glimpse into a little-known group of elite, high-altitude warriors drawn mainly from Tibetan refugees in India.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...sing-civilians-in-their-custody-idUSKBN25Y0KM

 

[finalfantasy7]

Indian army asks China’s PLA if missing civilians in their custody

GUWAHATI, India (Reuters) - The Indian Army has asked its Chinese counterpart if five civilians who went missing from an eastern border state days ago were in their custody, an Indian military spokesman said on Monday.

Relations between the nuclear-armed Asian giants have hit a multi-decade low since clashes at their western Himalayan border in June that killed 20 Indian soldiers.

Both sides have since stepped up monitoring of their largely unsettled 3,488 km (2,167 miles) border.

The five missing men are from the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh, which is also claimed by China that calls it South Tibet, and the Indian Army said it told China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) about the five on Saturday.

“We spoke with them on the hotline and told them that it’s suspected that some people have crossed across to your side and we will be grateful if you could hand them over back, as per what we do normally,” Lieutenant Colonel Harsh Wardhan Pande, a spokesman for India’s defense forces, told Reuters.

“There is no earmarked line going through the forest or the mountains, so they keep moving here and there. So they might have gone there. It’s a very normal thing.”

He said they were yet to hear back from the Chinese.

A Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said at a daily briefing that he was not aware of the situation.

Separately, a Tibetan member of an Indian special forces unit who died days ago in a mine blast near the site of a border flare-up with Chinese troops in the western Himalayas was cremated on Monday. His death gave a rare glimpse into a little-known group of elite, high-altitude warriors drawn mainly from Tibetan refugees in India.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...sing-civilians-in-their-custody-idUSKBN25Y0KM

heres the daily mail (uk news paper) talking about the same thing:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ndian-citizens-disputed-border-territory.html

 

[Technics 1210]

Tencent loses nearly $34 billion since the PUBG Mobile ban in India — its second-largest valuation dip this year

The company behind the Chinese app PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds (PUBG) Mobile, Tencent, is trading in the red for a second straight day after the Indian government banned the battle royale game.

Its market value has plummeted by nearly $34 billion over the last two days with Tencent's share price falling by 2% yesterday and is over 3% in the red so far today.

The company said that they will engage with the Indian authorities to ensure the continued availability of their apps in India.

https://www.businessinsider.in/busi...34-billion-in-2-days/articleshow/77924912.cms

PuBG is suffering massive losses. Didnt realize Indian market was so big.

More propaganda from Indian media.

Don't get too excited. This drop is largely contributed to the generic market fall due to C19.

Nothing to do with indian market.

 

[Rana]

Lol Have India not won the war against China yet?

 

[Savak]

https://gulfnews.com/amp/opinion/op...eriously-1.73681095?__twitter_impression=true

The aukaat of modi

 

[MenInG]

Two days before external affairs minister S Jaishankar meets his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi in Moscow, there are reports of a scuffle between the Indian Army and an aggressive People’s Liberation Army (PLA) on the Rezang-La-Rechin La ridgeline with some injuries sustained by Indian troopers as China wants to unilaterally change the status quo south of Pangong Tso.

According to top Indian official on Tuesday morning, the situation is tense but both sides are talking to each other at the ground commander level. Apparently, the situation reached criticality on Monday evening after a stand-off between aggressive PLA troops and Indian troops on Rechin La. The stand-off started at 6.15pm.

While the Western Theatre Command late on Monday night accused of Indian troops of firing warning shots and talked about countermeasures to “stabilize the situation”, the fact is that the Indian Army had to open warning shots even in the last week of August as the Chinese wanted to reach to the Green Line (their perception of Line of Actual Control since 1960), south of Pangong Tso. In the first week of September, PLA has fortified all its positions on the contested points and build up troop strength south of the lake as the difference in LAC perception is large in this area.

While the Western Theatre Command, which functions directly under Commander in Chief Xi Jinping, accuses Indian troops of aggression, the Indian objective is to hold its territory and prevent a PLA land grab in the area. The Indian ground commanders are under firm instructions to take decisions on the spot so that there is no time lag in a reaction to PLA, which on the face of it is talking peace but out for a fight on the ground.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...ers-talking/story-hyXXzERKesl1HlBBMyfbEO.html

 

[Nostalgic]

https://www.thefridaytimes.com/indian-armys-disadvantage-at-line-of-actual-control/

Ejaz Haider contends that the Chinese are, at least for now, content with the odd incremental gain, if that. This approach doesn’t stretch the supply lines, which they keep on consolidating behind their front lines. If they had wanted to make a major thrust, they would’ve done so in April or May. The drawback of course is that this allows the Humsaaya Mulk to buttress it’s lines as well, so it’s now a battle of attrition. This of course is very frustrating for those of us who scan the news several times a day yearning for significant Chinese gains. I keep hoping we see something of this nature in October or thereabouts, before winter sets in.

 

[MenInG]

China on Tuesday said its troops were forced to take "countermeasures" after Indian soldiers crossed their tense Himalayan border and opened fire - a charge New Delhi has denied, as the two countries continue with their rhetoric.

The relationship between the two nuclear-armed neighbours has deteriorated since a clash in the Ladakh region on June 15 in which 20 Indian troops were killed.

Beijing's defence ministry accused India of "severe military provocation" after soldiers crossed the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the western border region on Monday and "opened fire to threaten the Chinese border defence patrol officers".

"The Chinese border defence troops were forced to take corresponding countermeasures to stabilise the terrain situation," said Zhang Shuili, spokesperson for the Western Theater Command of the People's Liberation Army (PLA).

The statement did not make clear what those measures were or whether Chinese troops also fired warning shots.

China's western military command said the incursion occurred on Monday along the southern coast of Pangong Lake in the area known in Chinese as Shenpaoshan. On the Indian side, the area is known as Chushul where the two countries' local military commanders have held several rounds of talks to defuse the tense standoff.

'India denies transgression'
Zhang said India had violated agreements reached by the two countries and warned their actions could "easily cause misunderstandings and misjudgements".

"We request the Indian side to immediately stop dangerous actions ... and strictly investigate and punish personnel who fired shots to ensure that similar incidents do not occur again," Zhang said in the statement.

The Indian Army has denied its troops "transgressed across the LAC" or resorted to "firing". "It is the PLA that has been blatantly violating agreements and carrying out aggressive manoeuvres," the army said in a statement on Tuesday.


India has deployed thousands of soldiers following deadly border clashes in June [File: Danish Ismail/Reuters]
"The statement by PLA Western Theatre Command is an attempt to mislead their domestic and international audience," it said.

Late last month, India said its soldiers thwarted the Chinese military's moves "to change the status quo" in violation of a consensus reached in past efforts to settle the standoff. In turn, China also accused Indian troops of crossing established lines of control.

The activity last month and on Monday was alleged to have occurred in Chushul area on the southern bank of Pangong Lake, a glacial lake divided by the de facto frontier and where the India-China face-off began on its northern flank in early May.
Both sides have sent tens of thousands of troops to the disputed Himalayan border, which sits at an altitude of more than 4,000 metres (13,500 feet).

Their troops have had several showdowns since the deadly clash on June 15. China has also acknowledged suffering casualties but not given figures.

Defence ministers from the countries talked in Moscow on the sidelines of an international meeting last week - with both sides later releasing rival statements accusing each other of inflaming the showdown.

And earlier this week an Indian minister said Delhi had alerted China to allegations five men had been abducted by the People's Liberation Army close to the disputed border in the northeastern Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.

There was no immediate comment or confirmation of Monday's incident from the Indian military.

Source Al Jazeera

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Lol Have India not won the war against China yet?

Please watch the next upcoming Bollywood flick featuring 5 dance numbers!

 

[Abdullah719]

India, China accuse each other of firing shots at tense border

China and India have accused each other of firing shots on their flashpoint Himalayan border in a further escalation of military tension between the nuclear-armed Asian rivals.

The relationship between the two countries has deteriorated since a hand-to-hand combat clash in the Ladakh region on June 15 in which 20 Indian troops were killed.

Experts fear the latest incident will intensify a months-long standoff between the Asian giants that erupted in late April.

Beijing’s defence ministry accused India of “severe military provocation”, saying soldiers crossed the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the western border region on Monday and “opened fire to threaten the Chinese border defence patrol officers”.

“According to the Chinese side, Chinese troops approached the India side for negotiations, and then they say some Indian troops fired at the Chinese side,” Al Jazeera’s Katrina Yu reported from Beijing.

“As a result, China’s military said it was forced to take countermeasures - although we don’t know what those countermeasures were, or if there were any casualties,” she added.

Spoiler

India denies transgression
New Delhi was swift to give its own account, accusing Chinese border forces of “blatantly violating agreements” and firing “a few rounds in the air” to intimidate their Indian rivals.

“It is the PLA that has been blatantly violating agreements and carrying out aggressive manoeuvres,” the Indian army said in a statement on Tuesday.

“Despite the grave provocation, (our) own troops exercised great restraint and behaved in a mature and responsible manner,” the statement said.

Al Jazeera’s Elizabeth Puranam, reporting from New Delhi said that, according to India, “China’s army was trying to close in on one of India’s positions - and that when they [China] were dissuaded by their own troops, they fired in the air”.

The countries fought a brief border war in 1962 but, officially, no shots have been fired in the area since 1975 when four Indian troops were killed in an ambush.

A spokesperson for the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) gave no specifics and did not report casualties, calling on India to investigate the incident.

China’s western military command said the incursion occurred on Monday along the southern shore of Pangong Tso Lake in the area known in Chinese as Shenpaoshan. On the Indian side, the area is known as Chushul, where the two countries’ local military commanders have held several rounds of talks to defuse the tense standoff.

Zhang Shuili, spokesperson for the Western Theater Command of the PLA, said India had violated agreements reached by the two countries and warned their actions could “easily cause misunderstandings and misjudgements”.

China’s foreign ministry said Indian troops had illegally crossed the LAC and had been the first to fire shots. “This is a serious military provocation,” spokesman Zhao Lijian told a daily news conference in Beijing on Tuesday.

Late last month, India said its soldiers had thwarted the Chinese military’s moves “to change the status quo”, also on the southern shore of Pangong Lake, in violation of a consensus reached in past efforts to settle the standoff. In turn, China also accused Indian troops of crossing established lines of control.

Both sides have sent tens of thousands of troops to the disputed Himalayan border, which sits at an altitude of more than 4,000 metres (13,500 feet).

Their troops have had several showdowns since the June 15 clash. China has also acknowledged it has had casualties but not given figures.

Detailed border protocols in place for peaceful disengagement seem to have broken down since the June clash. India’s military has also reportedly changed its rules of engagement, allowing troops to carry guns.

Military commanders and diplomats have held several rounds of talks since July to reduce tension, but have made little progress to calm the border tensions.

Last week, defence ministers from the two countries spoke in Moscow on the sidelines of an international meeting - with both sides later releasing rival statements accusing each other of inflaming the showdown.

And earlier this week, an Indian minister said New Delhi had alerted China to allegations five men had been abducted by the PLA close to the disputed border in the northeastern Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...rder-fired-warning-shots-200908034105515.html

 

[Madplayer]

The chinese have entered further into Ladakh with Spears and Machetes. Interesting developments.

 

[Lonewarrior]

The chinese have entered further into Ladakh with Spears and Machetes. Interesting developments.

but but but indian posters said thre are no occupied land under chinese control and also they have captured hills to create buffer zones in laddakh ..... thn how the hell chinese have entered more into laddakh ....

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The chinese have entered further into Ladakh with Spears and Machetes. Interesting developments.

Bhai we are performing digital strike on China and banning chinese apps in return. Good thing is bhakhts are happy and quite satisfied with this and this is all that matters for Modi to win elections next time as well.

 

[JaDed]

The chinese have entered further into Ladakh with Spears and Machetes. Interesting developments.

Any Link for the same?

 

[Star_Coffee]

Bhai we are performing digital strike on China and banning chinese apps in return. Good thing is bhakhts are happy and quite satisfied with this and this is all that matters for Modi to win elections next time as well.

If Modi bans 'Chinese fried rice" before the next general election then Modi will win the next election? does this mean he does not have to stage a fake strike on Pakistan trees?

 

[Mesozoic]

The chinese have entered further into Ladakh with Spears and Machetes. Interesting developments.

Source ?

 

[El Generico]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%E7%8E%AF%E7%90%83%E6%97%B6%E6%8A%A5Editorial?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#环球时报Editorial</a Peace-loving Chinese people will fully support PLA's every move to safeguard national territorial integrity. We have shown extreme forbearance, but we will correct some Indian forces' misunderstanding of China's will with actions. <a href="https://t.co/XToN8MOrNo">https://t.co/XToN8MOrNo</a> <a href="https://t.co/oJhoGPPmzE">pic.twitter.com/oJhoGPPmzE</a></p>— Global Times (@globaltimesnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1303357974224592896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


This is as clear as a threat can get. If China still doesn’t do anything after all this talk then it would make them look like a laughing stock.