China-India standoff and border tension

[Nostalgic]

Take a look at what susu swami is saying:

https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1304997734395510784?s=19

What do you make of it? I know he is borderline (i'm being polite) delusional but some of what he says does contain truth as has been seen in the past.

Apart from the “deep state in Macau” bit, there isn’t much wrong here. There really is no mention of Status Quo Antebellum, only “disengagement.”

Who is this guy by the way?

 

[last_knight]

War is an indispensable pillar of Capitalism.

 

[Madplayer]

Apart from the “deep state in Macau” bit, there isn’t much wrong here. There really is no mention of Status Quo Antebellum, only “disengagement.”

Who is this guy by the way?

A senior BJP leader, an openly Brahmin supremacist, overtly anti-muslim, a tad crazy but a guy who doesnt mince his words. Over a decade ago in an interview he had revealed how BJP planned to unite hindus and divide muslims as a part of their election strategy. People back then had found his words quite outlandish given the facade of mainstream secularism that they were used to seeing. However, time has proved him right. He does vomit out some crazy conspiracy theories from time to time but i have noticed that hidden in the midst of all his gibberish, there are slivers of truth which one needs to watch out for. Perhaps talking nonsense is a part of his act. Or Perhaps he really is a mad man who speaks sense once in a while. Who knows!

 

[Nostalgic]

A senior BJP leader, an openly Brahmin supremacist, overtly anti-muslim, a tad crazy but a guy who doesnt mince his words. Over a decade ago in an interview he had revealed how BJP planned to unite hindus and divide muslims as a part of their election strategy. People back then had found his words quite outlandish given the facade of mainstream secularism that they were used to seeing. However, time has proved him right. He does vomit out some crazy conspiracy theories from time to time but i have noticed that hidden in the midst of all his gibberish, there are slivers of truth which one needs to watch out for. Perhaps talking nonsense is a part of his act. Or Perhaps he really is a mad man who speaks sense once in a while. Who knows!

Sounds like quite the character. Every fascist-inspired party should have at least one of these types.

 

[Madplayer]

Sounds like quite the character. Every fascist-inspired party should have at least one of these types.

Makes for intriguing viewing. He sometimes snaps at his own party and does so in public. His party members sometimes accuse him of spilling the beans.

For instance, see this:
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1304979935199518720?s=19

One might say he has gone crazy because after the Ayodhya Babri Masjid debacle, a similar event is unlikely to occur. However, can you now put anything past the hindutva brigade? The fact that he has even mentioned it means there might be something going on behind the saffron curtains.

 

[Nostalgic]

Makes for intriguing viewing. He sometimes snaps at his own party and does so in public. His party members sometimes accuse him of spilling the beans.

For instance, see this:
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1304979935199518720?s=19

One might say he has gone crazy because after the Ayodhya Babri Masjid debacle, a similar event is unlikely to occur. However, can you now put anything past the hindutva brigade? The fact that he has even mentioned it means there might be something going on behind the saffron curtains.

I thought it was well-known that they plan on demolishing two more mosques... for starters anyhow. They might start in earnest if they need another diversion from the LAC... sorry... “border areas” situation.

 

[Madplayer]

I thought it was well-known that they plan on demolishing two more mosques... for starters anyhow. They might start in earnest if they need another diversion from the LAC... sorry... “border areas” situation.

If my memory serves me right, the Indian supreme court has ruled out entertaining any of those disputes which were being pushed forward by the hindutva brigade. You can never be sure though. The Chinese pressure could make them look for any type of diversion.

 

[msaaim89]

India returned 3 Chinese last week.

What are you on about!!!

Are you confused? I only linked to an article on BBC just for a general update and you are ask what on about.

 

[msaaim89]

Newsweek is a well known non Indian media publication.

I was referring to the general reads comments.

 

[Nostalgic]

If my memory serves me right, the Indian supreme court has ruled out entertaining any of those disputes which were being pushed forward by the hindutva brigade. You can never be sure though. The Chinese pressure could make them look for any type of diversion.

I doubt they would bother with legal niceties if push came to shove.

 

[Madplayer]

I doubt they would bother with legal niceties if push came to shove.

I certainly agree.

 

[El Generico]

PLA seem to be getting ready for the long haul.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India says China laying cables to bolster communications at border flashpoint <br><br>READ: <a href="https://t.co/42Qgb3V61q">https://t.co/42Qgb3V61q</a> <a href="https://t.co/gKKlsmj2bH">pic.twitter.com/gKKlsmj2bH</a></p>— The Times Of India (@timesofindia) <a href="https://twitter.com/timesofindia/status/1305503241472360449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Nostalgic]

PLA seem to be getting ready for the long haul.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India says China laying cables to bolster communications at border flashpoint <br><br>READ: <a href="https://t.co/42Qgb3V61q">https://t.co/42Qgb3V61q</a> <a href="https://t.co/gKKlsmj2bH">pic.twitter.com/gKKlsmj2bH</a></p>— The Times Of India (@timesofindia) <a href="https://twitter.com/timesofindia/status/1305503241472360449?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

A futile effort on part of the Chinese. Don’t they know the Humsaaya Mulk frequently bans internet in J&K and Ladakh? Without internet access, these cables won’t work.

 

[msaaim89]

Both sides have brought up some heavier machinery. Though I don't think it will escalate again for them to use.

 

[Madplayer]

Lots of movement in the air today.

 

[Nostalgic]

Rajnath Singh in his speech today mentioned roughly 38,000 square kms that are under Chinese control. This was smart on the one hand, because this figure includes Aksai Chin, so the recent losses can be part of the rounding error. After all, what’s an extra 1000 square kms between two superpowers. On the other hand, labeling Aksai Chin as occupied will irk the Chinese some more.

 

[JaDed]

Why was Gordon Chang's Newsweek piece removed?

https://eurasiantimes.com/chinas-border-adventurism-against-india-has-unexpectedly-flopped-us-media-reports/

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Rajnath Singh in his speech today mentioned roughly 38,000 square kms that are under Chinese control. This was smart on the one hand, because this figure includes Aksai Chin, so the recent losses can be part of the rounding error. After all, what’s an extra 1000 square kms between two superpowers. On the other hand, labeling Aksai Chin as occupied will irk the Chinese some more.

Rajnath Singh

 

[Madplayer]

Rajnath Singh

Look at what subramanian Swamy ji is saying. He wants war. Even gives a date.

"Why should we not welcome a two front China-Pak war? Why are TV anchors shivering at the thought? If we want to take back PoK and make Pak into 4, the best that can happen is a two front war after Nov 15 this year."
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1305838108487774210?s=19

 

[Nostalgic]

Look at what subramanian Swamy ji is saying. He wants war. Even gives a date.

"Why should we not welcome a two front China-Pak war? Why are TV anchors shivering at the thought? If we want to take back PoK and make Pak into 4, the best that can happen is a two front war after Nov 15 this year."
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1305838108487774210?s=19

Why after November 15 though? Is there a significance to the date, or does he want to rely on the weather in Ladakh being inhospitable to the Chinese by that time?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Why was Gordon Chang's Newsweek piece removed?

https://eurasiantimes.com/chinas-border-adventurism-against-india-has-unexpectedly-flopped-us-media-reports/

The problem is, because Xi's plans failed spectacularly, he is now trying to save face and may have no option but to initiate war, as China's other hawkish generals are not happy with this and sees Xi as a weak leader, this is not a good scenario for anyone. Xi Ching ping totally miscalculated the Indian resistance, he was too used to MonMohan Singh and AK Antony bending over upon request..

 

[Madplayer]

Why after November 15 though? Is there a significance to the date, or does he want to rely on the weather in Ladakh being inhospitable to the Chinese by that time?

I have no idea. Weather might be a factor surely but there must be more to it. Maybe some arms and ammunition will be delivered before the said date? I am only guessing.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I have no idea. Weather might be a factor surely but there must be more to it. Maybe some arms and ammunition will be delivered before the said date? I am only guessing.

Because it is soon after the US Elections, if Biden wins then NO, if Trump WINS YES a conflict can take place as he will fully back India.

 

[Nostalgic]

I have no idea. Weather might be a factor surely but there must be more to it. Maybe some arms and ammunition will be delivered before the said date? I am only guessing.

Going through that Twitter thread, November 15 is the designated date due to the weather, which will apparently inhibit interoperability between China and Pakistan, snow on the ground and cloud cover blocking radar and all that. These Humsaaya Mulk types are convinced that their own troops are masters at winter mountain warfare.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why was Gordon Chang's Newsweek piece removed?

https://eurasiantimes.com/chinas-border-adventurism-against-india-has-unexpectedly-flopped-us-media-reports/

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....ia-what-will-xi-do-next-opinion-1531170?amp=1


Its still there.

 

[Greenstorm]

Look at what subramanian Swamy ji is saying. He wants war. Even gives a date.

"Why should we not welcome a two front China-Pak war? Why are TV anchors shivering at the thought? If we want to take back PoK and make Pak into 4, the best that can happen is a two front war after Nov 15 this year."
https://twitter.com/Swamy39/status/1305838108487774210?s=19

Swami speaks/tweets with honesty. Atleast he keeps churi in his hand instead of baghal.

 

[msaaim89]

Swami speaks/tweets with honesty. Atleast he keeps churi in his hand instead of baghal.

I think it really hurts Swami that his daughter married a muslim. This is yurn has really caused him to vent his anger.

 

[msaaim89]

The problem is, because Xi's plans failed spectacularly, he is now trying to save face and may have no option but to initiate war, as China's other hawkish generals are not happy with this and sees Xi as a weak leader, this is not a good scenario for anyone. Xi Ching ping totally miscalculated the Indian resistance, he was too used to MonMohan Singh and AK Antony bending over upon request..

Except they got some additional territory and got India to agree to a temporary holding.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Swami speaks/tweets with honesty. Atleast he keeps churi in his hand instead of baghal.

He keeps churi in his mouth, keyboard in his hand and blind followers in his aghal baghal.

 

[JaDed]

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....ia-what-will-xi-do-next-opinion-1531170?amp=1


Its still there.

from the thread i meant..

 

[El Generico]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If 38,000 sq k, Aksai Chin is 37,200 sq km. Does Rajnath Singh confirm China has taken 800 sq km in May 2020? <a href="https://t.co/HIUXCDcZid">https://t.co/HIUXCDcZid</a></p>— Ashok Swain (@ashoswai) <a href="https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1305911682833682432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Losing 800 KM isn’t that bad I guess.

 

[Syed1]

Wait what..... So banning the apps didn't have the desired effect?

And check out the confidence of that Swamy guy. Their country is having negative double digit growth, getting over a 1000 dead and a 100,000 effected due to corona everyday but still they are dreaming of breaking Pak into 4.


Full marks for getting priorities right

 

[Nostalgic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If 38,000 sq k, Aksai Chin is 37,200 sq km. Does Rajnath Singh confirm China has taken 800 sq km in May 2020? <a href="https://t.co/HIUXCDcZid">https://t.co/HIUXCDcZid</a></p>— Ashok Swain (@ashoswai) <a href="https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1305911682833682432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Losing 800 KM isn’t that bad I guess.

Like I said, rounding error.

 

[Nostalgic]

I wonder if they include the Shaksgam Valley in the 38,000. That has to be another 5,000 sq km or so.

 

[msaaim89]

Wait what..... So banning the apps didn't have the desired effect?

And check out the confidence of that Swamy guy. Their country is having negative double digit growth, getting over a 1000 dead and a 100,000 effected due to corona everyday but still they are dreaming of breaking Pak into 4.


Full marks for getting priorities right

To be fair, it's not just India. Most countries have a habit of covering more important news with some sort of distraction news.

 

[msaaim89]

I wonder if they include the Shaksgam Valley in the 38,000. That has to be another 5,000 sq km or so.

We need some maps Chachu Nostalgic. Can you arrange?

 

[Nostalgic]

We need some maps Chachu Nostalgic. Can you arrange?

I’m on it. Stand by.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I’m on it. Stand by.

Don't forget to highlight the 'Akhand Bharat' part with a marker.

 

[El Generico]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just 4 days after China killed 20 of our soldiers in Galwan, Modi Govt took loans amounting ₹9202 Crores from Chinese controlled bank.<br><br>No wonder the old man doesn't speak a word against China & gave them a clean chit after they occupied our territory.<a href="https://t.co/irAOTqdZ29">https://t.co/irAOTqdZ29</a></p>— Gaurav Pandhi (@GauravPandhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/GauravPandhi/status/1306097881347055618?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maybe china can forgive the loan and just accept the Indian territory in return? That could be a win-win for both.

 

[Nostalgic]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just 4 days after China killed 20 of our soldiers in Galwan, Modi Govt took loans amounting ₹9202 Crores from Chinese controlled bank.<br><br>No wonder the old man doesn't speak a word against China & gave them a clean chit after they occupied our territory.<a href="https://t.co/irAOTqdZ29">https://t.co/irAOTqdZ29</a></p>— Gaurav Pandhi (@GauravPandhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/GauravPandhi/status/1306097881347055618?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maybe china can forgive the loan and just accept the Indian territory in return? That could be a win-win for both.

Is it just me or has he grown out the beard? It’s only a matter of time before he sports dreadlocks and starts levitating in the lotus position.

 

[Pakpak]

Is it just me or has he grown out the beard? It’s only a matter of time before he sports dreadlocks and starts levitating in the lotus position.

What I was thinking too, on his way to becoming a swamy

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just 4 days after China killed 20 of our soldiers in Galwan, Modi Govt took loans amounting ₹9202 Crores from Chinese controlled bank.<br><br>No wonder the old man doesn't speak a word against China & gave them a clean chit after they occupied our territory.<a href="https://t.co/irAOTqdZ29">https://t.co/irAOTqdZ29</a></p>— Gaurav Pandhi (@GauravPandhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/GauravPandhi/status/1306097881347055618?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maybe china can forgive the loan and just accept the Indian territory in return? That could be a win-win for both.

Thanks for sharing. I wasn't even aware of this.

 

[Rajdeep]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="da" dir="ltr">Dr Manmohan Singh was a STRONGER Prime Minister than Narendra Modi!</p>— Gaurav Pandhi (@GauravPandhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/GauravPandhi/status/1267808723667304450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just saying for anyone who wants to take Congressi Gaurav Pandhi's tweet seriously.

 

[Star_Coffee]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="da" dir="ltr">Dr Manmohan Singh was a STRONGER Prime Minister than Narendra Modi!</p>— Gaurav Pandhi (@GauravPandhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/GauravPandhi/status/1267808723667304450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just saying for anyone who wants to take Congressi Gaurav Pandhi's tweet seriously.

One is an opinion and the other is has to be factually proven.

You have tried to disprove a fact-based tweet with an opinion based tweet.

I think people need to consider taking your comments not seriously unless you can provide evidence it isn't factually correct.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="da" dir="ltr">Dr Manmohan Singh was a STRONGER Prime Minister than Narendra Modi!</p>— Gaurav Pandhi (@GauravPandhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/GauravPandhi/status/1267808723667304450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just saying for anyone who wants to take Congressi Gaurav Pandhi's tweet seriously.

May be he had the word 'economy' in his mind when he tweeted that?

 

[Romali_rotti]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="da" dir="ltr">Dr Manmohan Singh was a STRONGER Prime Minister than Narendra Modi!</p>— Gaurav Pandhi (@GauravPandhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/GauravPandhi/status/1267808723667304450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just saying for anyone who wants to take Congressi Gaurav Pandhi's tweet seriously.

That will shut all the Bhakths






































































) ) ) ) ) )

 

[msaaim89]

That will shut all the Bhakths
) ) ) ) ) )

Keep laughing, it's better to be happy even though it isn't even remotely funny.

Back on topic, we do have peace. India has submitted to China taking territory. All good for both sides.

 

[JaDed]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just 4 days after China killed 20 of our soldiers in Galwan, Modi Govt took loans amounting ₹9202 Crores from Chinese controlled bank.<br><br>No wonder the old man doesn't speak a word against China & gave them a clean chit after they occupied our territory.<a href="https://t.co/irAOTqdZ29">https://t.co/irAOTqdZ29</a></p>— Gaurav Pandhi (@GauravPandhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/GauravPandhi/status/1306097881347055618?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maybe china can forgive the loan and just accept the Indian territory in return? That could be a win-win for both.

Thanks for sharing. I wasn't even aware of this.

India has 7.65 per cent vote share in the AIIB ..while China has majority shared in that bank India has shares as well.

Unfortunate reporting this one without the entire info.


https://www.news18.com/news/india/modi-govt-took-loans-worth-over-rs-9k-crore-from-china-based-aiib-anurag-thakur-in-lok-sabha-2882683.html

 

[JaDed]

The AIIB members with the largest share of voting power are China (26.5%), India (7.6%) and Russia (6.0%). Among non-regional shareholders, Germany has the most voting power (4.2%), followed by France (3.2%) and the United Kingdom (2.9%).

India is the second largest shareholder in that bank..

https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/EN/Standardartikel/Topics/Financial_markets/Articles/2019-04-03-AIIB-milestones.html#:~:text=The%20AIIB%20members%20with%20the,the%20United%20Kingdom%20(2.9%25).

 

[Nostalgic]

Back on topic, we do have peace. India has submitted to China taking territory. All good for both sides.

Not ideal for us though. When the Chinese had the element of surprise on their side, they could’ve perhaps encroached further. Instead they’ve been content with the enemy consolidating its defenses so that massive gains aren’t likely anymore. This situation may suit the Chinese fine, but for us, a far deeper ingress would’ve been better. Not that they owed us that, but still.

I’m still holding on to hope that they have something up their sleeves before winter.

 

[msaaim89]

Not ideal for us though. When the Chinese had the element of surprise on their side, they could’ve perhaps encroached further. Instead they’ve been content with the enemy consolidating its defenses so that massive gains aren’t likely anymore. This situation may suit the Chinese fine, but for us, a far deeper ingress would’ve been better. Not that they owed us that, but still.

I’m still holding on to hope that they have something up their sleeves before winter.

Not too sure anything can be done in winter across such harsh terrain. Having said that, Rome got a surprise when Hannibal crossed the Alps.

 

[Nostalgic]

Not too sure anything can be done in winter across such harsh terrain. Having said that, Rome got a surprise when Hannibal crossed the Alps.

Not in winter. Before winter. I keep hoping I wake up one morning to news of a significant success.

 

[Romali_rotti]

The AIIB members with the largest share of voting power are China (26.5%), India (7.6%) and Russia (6.0%). Among non-regional shareholders, Germany has the most voting power (4.2%), followed by France (3.2%) and the United Kingdom (2.9%).

India is the second largest shareholder in that bank..

https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/EN/Standardartikel/Topics/Financial_markets/Articles/2019-04-03-AIIB-milestones.html#:~:text=The%20AIIB%20members%20with%20the,the%20United%20Kingdom%20(2.9%25).

Yeah India shouldn't take any money out of a bank which they are the second share holder in, especially during a Covid Crisis.

BJP to win the next election by another landslide the way things are going..

 

[The Viper]

India-China dispute: India hands over soldier who crossed border

A Chinese soldier has been handed back by Indian authorities after he strayed across a contested border in the Himalayan region, army officials said.

The People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldier was apprehended in the Demchok area of Ladakh, India said on Monday.

The soldier was disoriented and was provided medical assistance and oxygen, the army said in a statement.

Tensions have been high between the two countries since a deadly clash in a disputed area in June.

The latest incident comes after multiple rounds of military-level talks between the two sides to defuse the situation.

The Indian Army said the soldier was handed back according to "established protocols".

Soldiers from both countries have periodically skirmished along the poorly demarcated border, called the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

Both sides have accused each other of straying into their territory, which have sometimes resulted in clashes.

This is not the first time the two sides have handed over citizens who strayed over the border.

In September, China freed five Indian nationals after they wandered across the border. India said the youths, from a state bordering China, were hunters who had accidentally strayed into Chinese territory.

What's the background?

Relations between the two countries had been deteriorating since June, when at least 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a skirmish in the disputed Ladakh border area. China did not comment on reports that it had also suffered casualties.

Then, in August, India accused China of provoking military tensions at the border twice within a week. Both charges were denied by China, which said the stand-off was "entirely" India's fault.

And in early September, China accused India of firing "provocative" warning shots at its troops. India in turn, accused China of firing into the air.

The allegations, if true, would have been the first time in 45 years that shots were fired at the border. A 1996 agreement prohibits the use of guns and explosives near the border.

A few days later, India's foreign minister and his Chinese counterpart met in Russia, where they reached an agreement to de-escalate tensions from their shared border.

Since then, several rounds of military-level talks have been conducted.

But despite several rounds of talks, the nuclear-armed neighbours have failed to de-escalate tensions.

There are several reasons why tensions have risen recently - but competing strategic goals lie at the root, and both sides blame each other.

The two countries have fought only one war, in
1962, when India suffered a humiliating defeat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-54610763

 

[King-Misbah]

India-China dispute: India hands over soldier who crossed border

A Chinese soldier has been handed back by Indian authorities after he strayed across a contested border in the Himalayan region, army officials said.

The People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldier was apprehended in the Demchok area of Ladakh, India said on Monday.

The soldier was disoriented and was provided medical assistance and oxygen, the army said in a statement.

Tensions have been high between the two countries since a deadly clash in a disputed area in June.

The latest incident comes after multiple rounds of military-level talks between the two sides to defuse the situation.

The Indian Army said the soldier was handed back according to "established protocols".

Soldiers from both countries have periodically skirmished along the poorly demarcated border, called the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

Both sides have accused each other of straying into their territory, which have sometimes resulted in clashes.

This is not the first time the two sides have handed over citizens who strayed over the border.

In September, China freed five Indian nationals after they wandered across the border. India said the youths, from a state bordering China, were hunters who had accidentally strayed into Chinese territory.

What's the background?

Relations between the two countries had been deteriorating since June, when at least 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a skirmish in the disputed Ladakh border area. China did not comment on reports that it had also suffered casualties.

Then, in August, India accused China of provoking military tensions at the border twice within a week. Both charges were denied by China, which said the stand-off was "entirely" India's fault.

And in early September, China accused India of firing "provocative" warning shots at its troops. India in turn, accused China of firing into the air.

The allegations, if true, would have been the first time in 45 years that shots were fired at the border. A 1996 agreement prohibits the use of guns and explosives near the border.

A few days later, India's foreign minister and his Chinese counterpart met in Russia, where they reached an agreement to de-escalate tensions from their shared border.

Since then, several rounds of military-level talks have been conducted.

But despite several rounds of talks, the nuclear-armed neighbours have failed to de-escalate tensions.

There are several reasons why tensions have risen recently - but competing strategic goals lie at the root, and both sides blame each other.

The two countries have fought only one war, in
1962, when India suffered a humiliating defeat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-54610763

Following India's own logic on Abhinandans return, I think India got scared of the mighty Chinese

 

[Madplayer]

PLA has further transgressed into Indian territory: ex-BJP MP

Chinese troops have further transgressed into Indian territory and occupied positions in Finger 2 and 3 of the north bank of Pangong Tso (lake), former BJP Member of Parliament Thupstan Chhewang, who represented Ladakh, has claimed .

Mr. Chhewang said he had received information from locals living in forward areas along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh that Indian soldiers were living in tents and it was not adequate for them in sub-zero conditions.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...le32974478.ece/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Madplayer]

It basically means only one hill infront of pangong is with India now. India giving away J&K's territory like free pies.

 

[El Generico]

It basically means only one hill infront of pangong is with India now. India giving away J&K's territory like free pies.

There is no need to worry though, Modi has apparently already set the date for the war against China and Pakistan. He will probably take back all the lost territory and might even take Beijing with it, who knows.

 

[Madplayer]

There is no need to worry though, Modi has apparently already set the date for the war against China and Pakistan. He will probably take back all the lost territory and might even take Beijing with it, who knows.

Yes, Modi will show his STREANH by stealthily moving in his rafaele jet under the dense cloud cover undetected by the chinese radars. Meanwhile the Chinese will move forward a few fingers more.

 

[M_kor]

Modi saaab Kuch tho bolo , China ka Naam bhee nahee leitay and udher woh aaapka lord Krishna mountain per beitha Hai..kaisay bhakt hein aap ?

 

[MP2011]

Yes, Modi will show his STREANH by stealthily moving in his rafaele jet under the dense cloud cover undetected by the chinese radars. Meanwhile the Chinese will move forward a few fingers more.

Lol. Bhakts won't like this.

Seriously though, bigot has made us a laughing stock everywhere.

 

[MP2011]

PLA has further transgressed into Indian territory: ex-BJP MP

Chinese troops have further transgressed into Indian territory and occupied positions in Finger 2 and 3 of the north bank of Pangong Tso (lake), former BJP Member of Parliament Thupstan Chhewang, who represented Ladakh, has claimed .

Mr. Chhewang said he had received information from locals living in forward areas along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh that Indian soldiers were living in tents and it was not adequate for them in sub-zero conditions.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...le32974478.ece/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

This guy will be asked to move to Pakistan now.

 

[M_kor]

This guy will be asked to move to Pakistan now.

You might get asked as well

 

[MP2011]

You might get asked as well

Have been asked several times now.

 

[Madplayer]

News floating around about new tensions at finger 2 between India and China. China seems to have moved further forward. News is coming from local sources so far.

 

[Romali_rotti]

So how much more KMs does China have to gain to match their previous effort of butt whooping our Congress Leader Nehru and taking 35,000 KMS of Indian territory ?

 

[Rana]

Has Modi not paid Vivek Oberoi to make a movie on this yet? Of how they won the war against China?

 

[globalcitizen]

That is job of opposition make wild claims and for some it’s much needed news hoping it can be true

in last few days Nepal has lost land to China
India has lost land to China

good for time pass I guess can’t complain!!

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

News floating around about new tensions at finger 2 between India and China. China seems to have moved further forward. News is coming from local sources so far.

Realistically, what's Chinese objective here?
They have already proved a point and got a considerable amount of territory.

Why are they moving inwards? Are they trying to make most of US elections / post elections instability?

 

[Madplayer]

Realistically, what's Chinese objective here?
They have already proved a point and got a considerable amount of territory.

Why are they moving inwards? Are they trying to make most of US elections / post elections instability?

There are some theories. One is that there is serious planning going on to sabotage the CPEC and some big powers are pumping the Indian tyres. The Chinese are most probably anticipating this and acting premptively. Perhaps they have received intelligence from Pakistan itself. There is tremendous activity of Israeli "tourists" in Leh since last year. Dont be surprised if USA and Israel set up a base in Leh.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So how much more KMs does China have to gain to match their previous effort of butt whooping our Congress Leader Nehru and taking 35,000 KMS of Indian territory ?

China has met a stalemate. They thought they had gained territory by stopping Indian patrols at finger 4. India retaliated by taking many strategic heights and basically has the entire Moldo garrison of chiness surrounded.

Now the chinese are in a fix.

All this claims of 1000s of territory is selective reporting by not telling which territory was lost in 1962.

There were always territories claimed by either side and occasional patrols but under the control of the other side.

Ofcourse our neighbour may like to believe otherwise.

 

[msaaim89]

An article from Bloomberg describing events just a few months back.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-11-01/china-gained-ground-on-india-during-bloody-summer-in-himalayas

China Gained Ground on India During Bloody Summer in Himalayas

Both armies prepare for a long winter after battle lines were redrawn in months of tense fighting.

Bloomberg News
November 1, 2020, 9:00 PM GMT Updated on November 2, 2020, 5:00 AM GMT

As troops in the Himalayas hunker down for the brutal winter, the outcome of the worst clashes in decades is becoming clear: China has pushed further into territory once patrolled exclusively by India.

A summer of fighting saw India lose control over about 300 square kilometers (115 square miles) of land along the disputed mountainous terrain, according to Indian officials familiar with the situation. Chinese soldiers now prevent Indian patrols in the area, which is about five times the size of Manhattan.



The last six months have effectively drawn new battle lines across a freezing high-altitude desert, raising tensions to their highest point since India and China fought a war in the area six decades ago. Both armies are now preparing to stand their ground in mostly uninhabited terrain during winter months in which temperatures can drop to 40 degrees below zero.

“We have not seen an expanded winter deployment since the 1962 war,” said Lieutenant General D. S. Hooda, a former Northern Army commander who was responsible for an area that stretches across the Himalayas to the highest pass between India and China at 18,176 feet (5,540 meters).

“Both countries are digging in,” he said. “It tells us that attitudes are hardening and thereby we could see an extended period of tensions that could have unintended consequences.”

The current “Line of Actual Control” separating the two countries partially adheres to boundaries drawn by the British in 1914 between Tibet and India. Skirmishes were reported after India granted the Dalai Lama asylum following an uprising against Chinese rule in Tibet in 1959, leading to the war shortly afterward. Five treaties since then have failed to stem periodic clashes.



At stake for both sides is control over strategic outposts like the Karakoram Pass, which runs from India into China’s Xinjiang region. A hold on the ancient Silk Road route could potentially give China easier road access to Pakistan, a long-time ally, opening up trade corridors into Central Asian countries that are key to the success of President Xi Jinping’s Belt and Road Initiative.

While India conducted little activity in the border area for years after the war, over the past decade it began building new infrastructure. India recently opened the first of seven tunnels in key parts of the Himalayas to facilitate troop movements, and also completed a 255-kilometer road connecting a major regional city to the Karakoram Pass. World War II-era landing strips and airfields across the full length of the India-China border were also refurbished.

China’s Foreign Ministry has called India's infrastructure drive the “root cause of tensions.” China has tightly controlled any information about troop deployments and casualties, and its state-run media have been restrained in criticizing Indian leaders — allowing space to potentially negotiate a resolution.

India “has been on a building spree under Modi’s watch, which is a red flag for China as it changes the status quo,” said Chen Jinying, a professor at the School of International Relations and Public Affairs at Shanghai International Studies University. “Both sides appear to be very determined and neither side is willing to show any signs of weakness or gesture to back down.”



The current conflict escalated more than a year ago, just weeks after Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Hindu-dominant government scrapped the constitutional guarantees of autonomy in Jammu and Kashmir — India’s only Muslim-majority state. In September 2019, Chinese and Indian soldiers clashed on the banks of the Pangong Tso, a glacial lake at about 14,000 feet.

By the time the harsh Himalayan winter abated in May of this year, India was surprised to find China’s army built forward bases, occupied mountaintops and sent thousands of soldiers to prevent Indian patrols. India realized it had lost control of about 250 square kilometers of land in the Depsang Plains, which holds key roads leading up to the Karakoram Pass, as well as 50 square kilometers of land in the Pangong Tso, Indian officials said.

Modi's office deferred comment to the Foreign Ministry and Defense Ministry, neither of which responded to questions. India's military didn't immediately respond to a request for comment. China’s Foreign Ministry said it couldn’t comment on information that “has no clear source and cannot be substantiated.”

In the second week of June both sides clashed, leaving 20 Indian and an unknown number of Chinese soldiers dead. As both sides rushed soldiers and reinforcements to the area, border agreements carefully worked out by previous governments fell by the wayside.



On the night of Aug. 29, India surprised China by moving thousands of soldiers onto strategic high ground along a stretch of more than 40 square kilometers on the south bank of Pangong Tso. This allowed them to get a better view of China’s troop movements, and escalating tensions further.

Then on Sept. 7 the two sides fired shots at each other for the first time in four decades, breaking another taboo. Since then, multiple rounds of high-level military and diplomatic talks have failed to defuse the border standoff.

While usually both sides draw down troops during the winter months, this year soldiers holding critical heights are in make-shift shelters — making them vulnerable to the cold. Sourcing water and keeping them warm will be an equally big challenge.

With rivers freezing, by mid-November travel within Ladakh will be easy but snow will block roads to the region. Air-lifts are the only means of transporting troops and supplies in and out. Although China has an infrastructure advantage along the border, the Indian Army hopes Beijing will thin out troops from the area, allowing it to do the same.

A few hundred kilometers southwest of the Karakoram Pass lies the Siachen Glacier — often described as the world’s highest battlefield — where Indian and Pakistan soldiers remain within rifle range of each other. A coordinated move by allies China and Pakistan would make India’s hold of this region tenuous.

Addressing the Bloomberg India Economic Forum 2020, Indian Foreign Minister S. Jaishankar described the the border standoff as serious and said talks were “a work in progress.”

“If the foundations of the relationship are disturbed,” he said, “you can’t be impervious to the fact that it will have consequences.”

 

[globalcitizen]

the news is being spread by south China morning post and every other news article quotes the same. The opposition and anti india forces have a field day
scmp is owned by Chinese

 

[msaaim89]

China has met a stalemate. They thought they had gained territory by stopping Indian patrols at finger 4. India retaliated by taking many strategic heights and basically has the entire Moldo garrison of chiness surrounded.

Now the chinese are in a fix.

All this claims of 1000s of territory is selective reporting by not telling which territory was lost in 1962.

There were always territories claimed by either side and occasional patrols but under the control of the other side.

Ofcourse our neighbour may like to believe otherwise.

Clearly the above Bloomberg article disagrees with your view.

 

[the Great Khan]

Realistically, what's Chinese objective here?
They have already proved a point and got a considerable amount of territory.

Why are they moving inwards? Are they trying to make most of US elections / post elections instability?

their objective is to prevent India even thinking about disrupting CPEC or cutting off key supply lines that may run via CPEC. The gaining or losing of territory is a red herring. It is the intent and the strategy that you need to look at. China is showing intent and at the same time as a bonus gaining some territory.

Modern war and geopolitics is not about numbers. Its about strategy and the bigger future picture. China plans quite far ahead and they have clearly pre-empted US efforts to stymie it in this area.

India now has to maintain large amounts of troops and logistics in an area they didnt need to a few months ago. they will need new troop rotations, have to spend money on all of the things a soldier requires. Equipment will require further maintenance as it faces harsh conditions and wear and tear thus effecting readiness. These are all factors China has taken into account. Also its another 2hard area" service for teh troops who already have to worry about the LOC and Siachen. This will effect morale.

Overall modi has once again proven to be an enemy to the Indian armed forces and its jawans.

 

[MP2011]

Overall modi has once again proven to be an enemy to the Indian armed forces and its jawans.

Bhakts won't like this!

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

There are some theories. One is that there is serious planning going on to sabotage the CPEC and some big powers are pumping the Indian tyres. The Chinese are most probably anticipating this and acting premptively. Perhaps they have received intelligence from Pakistan itself. There is tremendous activity of Israeli "tourists" in Leh since last year. Dont be surprised if USA and Israel set up a base in Leh.

their objective is to prevent India even thinking about disrupting CPEC or cutting off key supply lines that may run via CPEC. The gaining or losing of territory is a red herring. It is the intent and the strategy that you need to look at. China is showing intent and at the same time as a bonus gaining some territory.

Modern war and geopolitics is not about numbers. Its about strategy and the bigger future picture. China plans quite far ahead and they have clearly pre-empted US efforts to stymie it in this area.

India now has to maintain large amounts of troops and logistics in an area they didnt need to a few months ago. they will need new troop rotations, have to spend money on all of the things a soldier requires. Equipment will require further maintenance as it faces harsh conditions and wear and tear thus effecting readiness. These are all factors China has taken into account. Also its another 2hard area" service for teh troops who already have to worry about the LOC and Siachen. This will effect morale.

Overall modi has once again proven to be an enemy to the Indian armed forces and its jawans.

It all makes sense.

Chinese don't mess around for nothing. I still believe a solid CPEC is positive for Pakistan (obviously), Iran, Afghanistan and India.

An improved economy will only benefit the whole region.

 

[the Great Khan]

Bhakts won't like this!

its true. He treats the armed forces like his police force. Its a disgrace. Anybody who puts their life on the line for their state deserves a modicum of respect from their chief. General rawat also seems to be a political appointee.

Overall I fear the indian army is looking to fight yesterdays war. That might work with Pakistan but it wont work with China. Todays war is the one we are seeing in azerbaijan. So imagine what tomorrows war is going to look like?

 

[Madplayer]

Exclusive: China Building New 'Tunnels' For Winter At Border Hotspot Doklam

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/exc...mp=1&akamai-rum=off&__twitter_impression=true

 

[Madplayer]

What is wrong with India? Why is it gifting away our territory to China? Useless :