China-India standoff and border tension

[globalcitizen]

What is wrong with India? Why is it gifting away our territory to China? Useless :

doklam is in Bhutan territory

 

[The Viper]

India, China close in on plan to end months of border standoff

India and China are formulating a plan that involves creating no-patrol zones, pulling back tanks and artillery, and using drones to verify the withdrawal, as the nuclear-armed Asian rivals seek to end a dangerous military standoff in the western Himalayas, Indian officials say.

Tensions have run high since June when at least 20 Indian soldiers were killed after being attacked by Chinese troops using rocks and clubs. Indian officials say the Chinese troops had intruded across the disputed border in a remote valley. China said the Indian soldiers’ actions had been provocative.

Since then, the nuclear-armed Asian neighbours have deployed tens of thousands of troops on the rugged frontier between India’s Ladakh region and the Chinese-held Tibetan plateau, raising the risk of further confrontation even while looking for ways to de-escalate.

After months of fitful progress, the two sides are discussing a staggered disengagement from the high-altitude desert where temperatures have dipped to 18 degrees below Celsius, three Indian government officials told Reuters.

“We have a firm plan for disengagement on the table, it is being internally discussed on both sides,” said one of the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

Under the plan that was shared during a meeting of top commanders last Friday, both sides will pull back from the contested Pangong Tso lake area and establish a buffer zone.

Chinese soldiers will dismantle defence structures on several hilly spurs overlooking the lake and pull back, the officials briefed on the discussions said.

India, which has occupied heights on the lake’s south bank, will also withdraw. Both sides will cease patrolling certain sections.

The 3,800-km (2,100 miles) long India-China border is undermarcated, and the two countries went to war in 1962.

While there have been recurrent incidents down the years, troops from both sides have largely abided by a long-standing protocol to avoid firing weapons on the high altitude border, although some warning shots were fired in September.

India’s defence and foreign ministries declined to comment on the specifics of the latest negotiations.

“When we have something to share, we will share. Discussions are ongoing,” foreign ministry spokesman Anurag Srivastava said.

The three officials said that military commanders from both sides could meet within a week for further discussions on disengagement.

There was no immediate comment from China, but the state-controlled Global Times newspaper cited unnamed sources saying a disengagement plan was under discussion where India would first withdraw troops who had “illegally crossed lines” south of Pangong Tso.

Qian Feng, director of the research department at the National Strategy Institute at Tsinghua University, told the Global Times that the plan described by the press in India shows its interpretation of the outcome of previous talks, but also to some extent, “reveals the actual unilateral thought of Indian militaries”.

“However, it cannot represent the result the two sides have reached, nor will it be the final plan,” Qian said.

Finding a mutually acceptable sequence for withdrawal could be complicated. Indian troops currently occupy heights on the southern shore of the lake, overlooking Chinese positions.

“If we empty out from there, there is nothing to negotiate,” a second Indian official said.

Under the plan outlined by Indian officials, tanks and artillery that two sides had deployed following the clash in June would be moved back from the frontline.

They were also discussing a way to verify the troop withdrawal including the use of drones over the disputed areas at specific times each day, one of the Indian officials said.

“If you are going to establish buffer zones, verification is the key to this,” the official said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...f-military-standoff?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Gabbar Singh]

If true then wow.

China turns Ladakh battleground with India into a ‘microwave oven’

China’s military used microwave weapons to force Indian troops to retreat during a months-long border standoff in the Himalayas, according to an account that has emerged in Beijing.

Its forces had turned two strategic hilltops that had been occupied by Indian soldiers ‘into a microwave oven’, forcing them to retreat and allowing the positions to be retaken without an exchange of conventional fire, according to Jin Canrong, a professor of international relations at Beijing-based Renmin University.

In a lecture he said that the People’s Liberation Army “beautifully” seized the ground without violating a no-live-shot rule governing the rules of engagement in the high-altitude standoff between the two Asian powers. Microwave weapons focus high frequency electro-magnetic pulses or beams at targets and cause irritation and pain by heating up any human tissue in its way.

“We didn’t publicise it because we solved the problem beautifully,” Mr Jin said. “They [India] didn’t publicise it, either, because they lost so miserably.”

The professor said that Chinese troops fired the weapon from the bottom of the hills and “turned the mountain tops into a microwave oven”.

“In 15 minutes, those occupying the hilltops all began to vomit,” he said. “They couldn’t stand up, so they fled. This was how we retook the ground.”

Since April the two sides have been locked in a border dispute in the Ladakh region, which culminated in a bloody hand-to-hand combat in the Galwan River valley in June that killed 20 Indian troops and an unknown number of Chinese soldiers.

The two countries have a longstanding dispute over their border. This time, Beijing and Delhi have accused each other of encroaching on the other’s territory. Despite rounds of high-level talks, the two militaries have shown no sign of disengagement but are seeking to strengthen their positions, while sticking to the no-live-shot rule to avoid any serious military escalation and a repeat of the 1962 Sino-Indian War.

Microwave weapons began to attract attention in recent years as the United States researched radio-frequency, or electromagnetic pulse weapons. The weapons use high-energy electromagnetic radiation to attack targets, to destroy electronics and missile guidance systems or to harm humans. This may be the first use against hostile troops.

The US deployed its own vehicle-mounted microwave weapon, called an Active Denial System, to Afghanistan ten years ago but it was withdrawn, reportedly without being used in combat.

It is suspected that microwave weapons were used in an attack against US diplomats and their families in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou in 2018.

They may also have been responsible for the symptoms described by US and Canadian diplomats posted to Havana from 2016.

In his lecture, Professor Jin said that India mounted a surprise attack on August 29 when it deployed a team of Tibetan soldiers, known for their mountaineering skills, to seize two critical hilltops on the southern bank of the Pangong Tso Lake.

“At the time, the western theatre command [of the People’s Liberation Army] was under huge pressure,” the scholar said. “These two hilltops are very important but we’d lost them.

“The central military commission was quite furious, ‘How could you be so careless as to let India seize the hilltops?’, so it ordered the ground be taken back, but it also demanded that no single shot be fired.”

Professor Jin added it was almost impossible for the Chinese soldiers, most of whom were from the lowlands, to wage any effective combat at an altitude of 5,600 metres. “Frankly speaking . . their bodies won’t stand it.

“Then they came up with the clever idea to use microwave weapons.”

Most people exposed to microwave radiation report significant discomfort but no permanent ill-effects. However, some studies suggest that long-term exposure may have a carcinogenic effect.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...nd-with-india-into-a-microwave-oven-6tlwtrtzz

 

[Romali_rotti]

If true then wow.



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...nd-with-india-into-a-microwave-oven-6tlwtrtzz

Must be true I guess, it is a Chinese guy that is claiming it afterall...

 

[globalcitizen]

This is scary if true. These type of weapons can be categorised as chemical weapons. China is taking very dangerous approaches and could have enormous repercussions to world peace

 

[cricketjoshila]

If true then wow.



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...nd-with-india-into-a-microwave-oven-6tlwtrtzz

Lol. Chinese have been brought to a stalemate. Hence all these super human claims. Any such use of a area weapon would have meant retaliation from the Indian side.

 

[Romali_rotti]

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... China will not be able to do anything in the Indian ocean, they might as well just give up on their Sri Lanka infrastructure projects, Sri Lankan waters is infested with Indian navy... China will be in trouble, with most of the world turning against them.. Soviet Union was broken up, only a matter of time till China is broken to pieces..

 

[msaaim89]

Lol. Chinese have been brought to a stalemate. Hence all these super human claims. Any such use of a area weapon would have meant retaliation from the Indian side.

Refer to post #2072 which clarifies on some of the territory taken by China.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

An article from Bloomberg describing events just a few months back.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-11-01/china-gained-ground-on-india-during-bloody-summer-in-himalayas

China Gained Ground on India During Bloody Summer in Himalayas

Both armies prepare for a long winter after battle lines were redrawn in months of tense fighting.

Bloomberg News
November 1, 2020, 9:00 PM GMT Updated on November 2, 2020, 5:00 AM GMT

As troops in the Himalayas hunker down for the brutal winter, the outcome of the worst clashes in decades is becoming clear: China has pushed further into territory once patrolled exclusively by India.

A summer of fighting saw India lose control over about 300 square kilometers (115 square miles) of land along the disputed mountainous terrain, according to Indian officials familiar with the situation. Chinese soldiers now prevent Indian patrols in the area, which is about five times the size of Manhattan.

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The last six months have effectively drawn new battle lines across a freezing high-altitude desert, raising tensions to their highest point since India and China fought a war in the area six decades ago. Both armies are now preparing to stand their ground in mostly uninhabited terrain during winter months in which temperatures can drop to 40 degrees below zero.

“We have not seen an expanded winter deployment since the 1962 war,” said Lieutenant General D. S. Hooda, a former Northern Army commander who was responsible for an area that stretches across the Himalayas to the highest pass between India and China at 18,176 feet (5,540 meters).

“Both countries are digging in,” he said. “It tells us that attitudes are hardening and thereby we could see an extended period of tensions that could have unintended consequences.”

The current “Line of Actual Control” separating the two countries partially adheres to boundaries drawn by the British in 1914 between Tibet and India. Skirmishes were reported after India granted the Dalai Lama asylum following an uprising against Chinese rule in Tibet in 1959, leading to the war shortly afterward. Five treaties since then have failed to stem periodic clashes.

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At stake for both sides is control over strategic outposts like the Karakoram Pass, which runs from India into China’s Xinjiang region. A hold on the ancient Silk Road route could potentially give China easier road access to Pakistan, a long-time ally, opening up trade corridors into Central Asian countries that are key to the success of President Xi Jinping’s Belt and Road Initiative.

While India conducted little activity in the border area for years after the war, over the past decade it began building new infrastructure. India recently opened the first of seven tunnels in key parts of the Himalayas to facilitate troop movements, and also completed a 255-kilometer road connecting a major regional city to the Karakoram Pass. World War II-era landing strips and airfields across the full length of the India-China border were also refurbished.

China’s Foreign Ministry has called India's infrastructure drive the “root cause of tensions.” China has tightly controlled any information about troop deployments and casualties, and its state-run media have been restrained in criticizing Indian leaders — allowing space to potentially negotiate a resolution.

India “has been on a building spree under Modi’s watch, which is a red flag for China as it changes the status quo,” said Chen Jinying, a professor at the School of International Relations and Public Affairs at Shanghai International Studies University. “Both sides appear to be very determined and neither side is willing to show any signs of weakness or gesture to back down.”

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The current conflict escalated more than a year ago, just weeks after Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Hindu-dominant government scrapped the constitutional guarantees of autonomy in Jammu and Kashmir — India’s only Muslim-majority state. In September 2019, Chinese and Indian soldiers clashed on the banks of the Pangong Tso, a glacial lake at about 14,000 feet.

By the time the harsh Himalayan winter abated in May of this year, India was surprised to find China’s army built forward bases, occupied mountaintops and sent thousands of soldiers to prevent Indian patrols. India realized it had lost control of about 250 square kilometers of land in the Depsang Plains, which holds key roads leading up to the Karakoram Pass, as well as 50 square kilometers of land in the Pangong Tso, Indian officials said.

Modi's office deferred comment to the Foreign Ministry and Defense Ministry, neither of which responded to questions. India's military didn't immediately respond to a request for comment. China’s Foreign Ministry said it couldn’t comment on information that “has no clear source and cannot be substantiated.”

In the second week of June both sides clashed, leaving 20 Indian and an unknown number of Chinese soldiers dead. As both sides rushed soldiers and reinforcements to the area, border agreements carefully worked out by previous governments fell by the wayside.

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On the night of Aug. 29, India surprised China by moving thousands of soldiers onto strategic high ground along a stretch of more than 40 square kilometers on the south bank of Pangong Tso. This allowed them to get a better view of China’s troop movements, and escalating tensions further.

Then on Sept. 7 the two sides fired shots at each other for the first time in four decades, breaking another taboo. Since then, multiple rounds of high-level military and diplomatic talks have failed to defuse the border standoff.

While usually both sides draw down troops during the winter months, this year soldiers holding critical heights are in make-shift shelters — making them vulnerable to the cold. Sourcing water and keeping them warm will be an equally big challenge.

With rivers freezing, by mid-November travel within Ladakh will be easy but snow will block roads to the region. Air-lifts are the only means of transporting troops and supplies in and out. Although China has an infrastructure advantage along the border, the Indian Army hopes Beijing will thin out troops from the area, allowing it to do the same.

A few hundred kilometers southwest of the Karakoram Pass lies the Siachen Glacier — often described as the world’s highest battlefield — where Indian and Pakistan soldiers remain within rifle range of each other. A coordinated move by allies China and Pakistan would make India’s hold of this region tenuous.

Addressing the Bloomberg India Economic Forum 2020, Indian Foreign Minister S. Jaishankar described the the border standoff as serious and said talks were “a work in progress.”

“If the foundations of the relationship are disturbed,” he said, “you can’t be impervious to the fact that it will have consequences.”

This BBC Hindi video also sums up Chinese and Indian priorities.

India Vs China : Arunachal Pradesh के पास चीन का रेलवे प्रोजेक्ट क्या भारत के लिए चिंता? (BBC Hindi)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1_xwnPVmPU

China got its priorities straight since 60s.

 

[finalfantasy7]

China 'used secret microwave pulse weapon to cook Indian soldiers alive' and force them into retreat in Himalayan border battle

heres a daily mail article suggesting the above:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-microwave-pulse-weapon-Indian-soldiers.html

 

[Gabbar Singh]

China is essentially saying to India “I can do what I want what are you going to do about it”? And they are right - China dwarfs India from an economic and military perspective. What exactly can india do to significantly harm them?

If you were Bhutan you must be asking yourself what is the point of our security relationship with India when India can’t even get the Chinese off our land.

China Sets Up Village Within Bhutan, 9 Km From Doklam Face-Off Site
The move is particularly worrying for India since it is responsible for the territorial integrity of Bhutan which mains a limited armed force.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chi...bhutan-9-km-from-doklam-face-off-site-2327563

 

[msaaim89]

Not long before work colleagues, romaliboti, napi and crickethoshila, criticise the source.

 

[KingKhanWC]

China 'used secret microwave pulse weapon to cook Indian soldiers alive' and force them into retreat in Himalayan border battle

heres a daily mail article suggesting the above:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-microwave-pulse-weapon-Indian-soldiers.html

Its a secret no more.

Pakistan should request this weapon from China, saves a lot of blood.

Meanwhile India retaliated by a digital strike, not really as lethal.

 

[cricketjoshila]

China is essentially saying to India “I can do what I want what are you going to do about it”? And they are right - China dwarfs India from an economic and military perspective. What exactly can india do to significantly harm them?

If you were Bhutan you must be asking yourself what is the point of our security relationship with India when India can’t even get the Chinese off our land.



https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chi...bhutan-9-km-from-doklam-face-off-site-2327563

India cannot interfere in Bhutan unless Bhutan asks it to.

Chinese have not taken any new land. They already had roads constructed upto finger 4 for a long long time. Indian Army used the same road to patrol upto finger 8. China now has stopped Indian Army from patrolling on that road. Indian army in retaliation has occupied the strategic heights overlooking the area upto Moldo garrison.

There is territory under chinese control where India patrols and there is territory under India that china patrols.

Media like Ndtv or Hindu or Sawhney or ajay Shukla give out half truths.

They will say xyz territory is under china, but wont tell when it was captured.

 

[cricketjoshila]

China 'used secret microwave pulse weapon to cook Indian soldiers alive' and force them into retreat in Himalayan border battle

heres a daily mail article suggesting the above:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...t-microwave-pulse-weapon-Indian-soldiers.html

Claims made by some Chinese professor. Thats how authentic the claim is. China is in a stalemate and now is looking to save face.

 

[cricketjoshila]

China is essentially saying to India “I can do what I want what are you going to do about it”? And they are right - China dwarfs India from an economic and military perspective. What exactly can india do to significantly harm them?

If you were Bhutan you must be asking yourself what is the point of our security relationship with India when India can’t even get the Chinese off our land.



https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chi...bhutan-9-km-from-doklam-face-off-site-2327563

Btw, that village is well within chinese territory.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks very much for the clarification. So this isn't, therefore, in Doklam at all but much further North - well within the Chumbi Valley - which is legitimately Chinese territory. Why would you use 'Doklam' at all then ? Have marked Doklam with a 'D' below and also Yadong. <a href="https://t.co/F9fqqQmQQ3">https://t.co/F9fqqQmQQ3</a> <a href="https://t.co/rYic6LW1Rn">pic.twitter.com/rYic6LW1Rn</a></p>— Vishnu Som (@VishnuNDTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1329295182676725763?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Romali_rotti]

Claims made by some Chinese professor. Thats how authentic the claim is. China is in a stalemate and now is looking to save face.

lol I know right.. Chinese Professor making the claim summed it up, it is as believable as Pakistanis claiming there are no terror networks in Pakistan

 

[KingKhanWC]

lol I know right.. Chinese Professor making the claim summed it up, it is as believable as Pakistanis claiming there are no terror networks in Pakistan

Do you have any proof this is a lie? The weapon systems do exist and China does have them.

Either way, surely as a patriotic Indian, you should be up in arms when a nation with a similar size is showing it's so much stronger. Focusing on Pakistan which is 1/6 the population and much much smaller doesnt make India look strong either.

China kills 20 Indian soldiers, captures others but no military response from India? Regardless of our differences, If I was Indian I would be calling for the resignation of a government which has seen military defeats to Pakistan and China in the same year.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Do you have any proof this is a lie? The weapon systems do exist and China does have them.

Indian soldiers are still holding peaks, what does that say ? DO you have proof they have the largest microwave in history ?

Either way, surely as a patriotic Indian, you should be up in arms when a nation with a similar size is showing it's so much stronger. Focusing on Pakistan which is 1/6 the population and much much smaller doesnt make India look strong either.

Ahhh dont worry about the Pakistan Dig Brathar, I was just trolling a few above posters, nothing personal.

China kills 20 Indian soldiers, captures others but no military response from India? Regardless of our differences, If I was Indian I would be calling for the resignation of a government which has seen military defeats to Pakistan and China in the same year.

China killed 20 of ours, we killed 39 odd of theirs which was also confirmed by the CIA not just Indians.. Anyway killing of soldiers is not something I would brag about because those poor souls gave up their lives for selfish reasons of their leaders.

.... bold

 

[El Generico]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There was a fresh Chinese transgression of about 400m in Kakjung area in E. Ladakh some time ago by a section strength of PLA troops. Said troops have gone back behind the LAC but India's trust in the disengagement process has been shaken. Disengagement is currently on hold.</p>— Saurav Jha (@SJha1618) <a href="https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1329750802823483398?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well at least they went back. So nothing to worry about for India I guess.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

India bans another 43 Chinese apps as border tensions along LAC continue to simmer

Alibaba/Aliexpress are the notable ones.

Source: https://www.businessinsider.in/tech...india-on-november-24/articleshow/79389245.cms

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

China buys first Indian rice in decades amid scarce supply

MUMBAI (Reuters) - China has begun importing Indian rice for the first time in at least three decades due to tightening supplies from Thailand, Myanmar and Vietnam and an offer of sharply discounted prices, Indian industry officials said.

India is the world’s biggest rice exporter and China the biggest importer. Beijing buys in around 4 million tonnes a year but has avoided purchases from India, citing quality issues.

The rice imports come despite political tensions over a border dispute in the Himalayas which erupted into a clash in June in which 20 Indian soldiers were killed.

India has since tightened rules for investments from China and banned dozens of Chinese mobile apps, including from tech giants Tencent, Alibaba and ByteDance.

Although the public mood in India has been anti-China, the country has remained engaged with Indian businesses.

“For the first time China has made rice purchases. They may increase buying next year after seeing the quality of Indian crop,” B.V. Krishna Rao, president of the Rice Exporters Association, told Reuters on Wednesday.

Indian traders have contracted to export 100,000 tonnes of broken rice for Dec-February shipments at around $300 per tonne on a free-on-board (FOB) basis, industry officials said.

China’s traditional suppliers, such as Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar and Pakistan, have limited surplus supplies for export and were quoting at least $30 per tonne more compared with Indian prices, according to Indian rice trade officials.

Thailand, the world’s second-largest rice exporter and key supplier to China, suffered a drought this year that has affected the rice crop. Its shipments in 2020 could fall to 6.5 million tonnes, the lowest in 20 years.

“Thailand, Myanmar and Vietnam are struggling due to limited supplies. China eventually was left with no option but to buy from India,” said Himanshu Agarwal, executive director at Satyam Balajee, India’s biggest rice exporter.

“I don’t know how long it will last. At least, movement has started.”

China’s General Administration of Customs did not immediately respond to a fax seeking comment on rice imports.

“China buying rice from India, or U.S. or any country, is just adding some flavor to the domestic market. The trade has very limited impact on the China market,” said Yin Xiuying, analyst with trade website www.ChinaGrain.CN, based in Harbin, capital of China’s northeastern province of Heilongjiang.

“I don’t think China will increase rice imports or continue to buy more from India,” Yin said.

Reporting by Rajendra Jadhav; Additional reporting by Hallie Gu and Dominique Patton in BEIJING; Editing by Sanjeev Miglani and Alexander Smith

https://in.reuters.com/article/indi...e-in-decades-amid-scarce-supply-idINKBN28C0T3

So nice of India to offer such a good price for their rice /s
From app banning to selling rice

Month	Price $	Change %
Jan 2020	451.00	4.40 %
Feb 2020	450.00	-0.22 %
Mar 2020	494.00	9.78 %
Apr 2020	564.00	14.17 %
May 2020	510.00	-9.57 %
Jun 2020	520.00	1.96 %
Jul 2020	480.00	-7.69 %
Aug 2020	505.00	5.21 %
Sep 2020	507.00	0.40 %
Oct 2020	471.00	-7.10 %

https://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=rice&months=60

 

[finalfantasy7]

whats been happening with this stretch of land - any progress ?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

whats been happening with this stretch of land - any progress ?

Winter is coming. Both armies have camped strategically. Chinese soldiers have decent gear/rations to pass it, Indian soldiers are still waiting for proper winter gear and supplies.

IMO India are playing China's game. Only outcome will be further Indian humiliation.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So nice of India to offer such a good price for their rice /s
From app banning to selling rice

Month	Price $	Change %
Jan 2020	451.00	4.40 %
Feb 2020	450.00	-0.22 %
Mar 2020	494.00	9.78 %
Apr 2020	564.00	14.17 %
May 2020	510.00	-9.57 %
Jun 2020	520.00	1.96 %
Jul 2020	480.00	-7.69 %
Aug 2020	505.00	5.21 %
Sep 2020	507.00	0.40 %
Oct 2020	471.00	-7.10 %

https://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=rice&months=60

Hindi Chini bhai bhai lol

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Hindi Chini bhai bhai lol

To be honest, $ runs this world.

It's incredible how fast people change their priorities when money is involved.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

To be honest, $ runs this world.

It's incredible how fast people change their priorities when money is involved.

Exactly. All joshila types are looking like fools now. I was never in favour of stopping trade or banning apps.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Winter is coming. Both armies have camped strategically. Chinese soldiers have decent gear/rations to pass it, Indian soldiers are still waiting for proper winter gear and supplies.

IMO India are playing China's game. Only outcome will be further Indian humiliation.

have china increased building thr base at this point, havent been in this thread for around 3 months

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

have china increased building thr base at this point, havent been in this thread for around 3 months

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/24/asia/china-india-bhutan-doklam-intl-hnk/index.html
Not only bases, they have built several small villages (electricity/communication and all) like the ones Rambo used to raid in movies Maybe India should send their Ajays and Akshays!

Chinese are extremely smart planners. Good luck to poor Indian soldiers who have to endure lethal cold whilst fat policemen beat their fathers in Delhi.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

So, apparently these villages were getting built in December 19.

I guess India army are only good against unarmed Kashmiri kids, old men and women.

 

[MP2011]

So, apparently these villages were getting built in December 19.

As per bigot, not an inch is ceded to China. Bloody liar!

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/24/asia/china-india-bhutan-doklam-intl-hnk/index.html
Not only bases, they have built several small villages (electricity/communication and all) like the ones Rambo used to raid in movies Maybe India should send their Ajays and Akshays!

Chinese are extremely smart planners. Good luck to poor Indian soldiers who have to endure lethal cold whilst fat policemen beat their fathers in Delhi.

First those construction are supposedly in the disputed area with Bhutan. Secondly Bhutan has denied that those areas were under bhutan.

Dont know why you are posting it on India thread.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Winter is coming. Both armies have camped strategically. Chinese soldiers have decent gear/rations to pass it, Indian soldiers are still waiting for proper winter gear and supplies.

IMO India are playing China's game. Only outcome will be further Indian humiliation.

Any source saying Indian soldiers are waiting for proper winter gear and supplies?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

First those construction are supposedly in the disputed area with Bhutan. Secondly Bhutan has denied that those areas were under bhutan.

Dont know why you are posting it on India thread.

They are doing their homework near the Indian border. In any conflict, any era, any part of the world supply routes have been an important factor to decide whether an army can hold their ground.

I'm posting because of this:

have china increased building thr base at this point, havent been in this thread for around 3 months

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Any source saying Indian soldiers are waiting for proper winter gear and supplies?

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...on-urgent-basis-amid-china-row-report-2312185

I don't like Indian websites but I'm sure if I research I can find respectable, legit and trustworthy sources. Just not worth to waste any time.

See the quantity they are buying and divide it by number of soldiers in IOK+Pak border+Chinese border.

You do the math, IMO it's gonna be a tough winter for Indian soldiers.

Bonus:

India until now sourced high-altitude kits for its defense forces mainly from Europe or China.

The Indian Army did not comment on the high altitude warfare kits, but confirmed the visit of one of its top generals to the U.S. A spokesperson at the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi didn't immediately respond to a text message seeking comment.

Nation wants to know.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Following reports shared earlier by Chinese Media & <a href="https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VishnuNDTV</a>'s story on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bhutan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bhutan</a>, images from Bumla Pass <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ArunchalPradesh?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ArunchalPradesh</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> now present evidence of new villages/accommodation built by <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/China?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#China</a> this year, possibly for relocation of citizens to strengthen weak border areas <a href="https://t.co/HYPedVEWpL">https://t.co/HYPedVEWpL</a> <a href="https://t.co/aPjYrm8oPD">pic.twitter.com/aPjYrm8oPD</a></p>— d-atis (@detresfa_) <a href="https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/1335481028631130114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With recent reports showing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/China?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#China</a>'s civilian developments in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Doklam?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Doklam</a> area, here is a larger overview of the sector's military facilities (some built in the last few years), presenting evidence on how the PLA is reinforcing itself to defend <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Beijing?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Beijing</a>'s territorial claims <a href="https://t.co/ifEDfMsnpu">pic.twitter.com/ifEDfMsnpu</a></p>— d-atis (@detresfa_) <a href="https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/1336174838734442497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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I guess, in the end, it all depends on who do you ask... but the major consensus is China are doing whatever they want to. We can all draw our conclusions by ourselves.

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...on-urgent-basis-amid-china-row-report-2312185

I don't like Indian websites but I'm sure if I research I can find respectable, legit and trustworthy sources. Just not worth to waste any time.

See the quantity they are buying and divide it by number of soldiers in IOK+Pak border+Chinese border.

You do the math, IMO it's gonna be a tough winter for Indian soldiers.

Bonus:





Nation wants to know.

The Indian Army maintains a stock of 60,000 of these extreme cold weather clothing sets for troops deployed in the entire Ladakh region including both western fronts in Siachen and Eastern Ladakh sector, sources told ANI.


This year, there was a need for an additional 30,000 of these sets as close to 90,000 troops are posted in the region to counter Chinese aggression along the Line of Actual Control or LAC.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....g-seen-in-action-2320672?amp=1&akamai-rum=off


Army has already received the supply of the additional gear. Its already in use.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....g-seen-in-action-2320672?amp=1&akamai-rum=off


These are their upgraded living quarters.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The new Army smart camps being set up in Ladakh are in areas which receive 40 feet of snow with -40 degree temperatures in windchill. Proper heating, water and electricity provision. <a href="https://t.co/xTPSePNmx2">pic.twitter.com/xTPSePNmx2</a></p>— Vishnu Som (@VishnuNDTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV/status/1328963242853621760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Now whatever you want to know about your nation, ask your PM, stop worrying about those who are doing far better.

 

[cricketjoshila]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Following reports shared earlier by Chinese Media & <a href="https://twitter.com/VishnuNDTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@VishnuNDTV</a>'s story on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bhutan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bhutan</a>, images from Bumla Pass <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ArunchalPradesh?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ArunchalPradesh</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a> now present evidence of new villages/accommodation built by <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/China?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#China</a> this year, possibly for relocation of citizens to strengthen weak border areas <a href="https://t.co/HYPedVEWpL">https://t.co/HYPedVEWpL</a> <a href="https://t.co/aPjYrm8oPD">pic.twitter.com/aPjYrm8oPD</a></p>— d-atis (@detresfa_) <a href="https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/1335481028631130114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With recent reports showing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/China?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#China</a>'s civilian developments in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Doklam?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Doklam</a> area, here is a larger overview of the sector's military facilities (some built in the last few years), presenting evidence on how the PLA is reinforcing itself to defend <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Beijing?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Beijing</a>'s territorial claims <a href="https://t.co/ifEDfMsnpu">pic.twitter.com/ifEDfMsnpu</a></p>— d-atis (@detresfa_) <a href="https://twitter.com/detresfa_/status/1336174838734442497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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I guess, in the end, it all depends on who do you ask... but the major consensus is China are doing whatever they want to. We can all draw our conclusions by ourselves.

Consensus among whom? Where are they doing it?

 

[Romali_rotti]

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My god, please tell me this is a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vB49U5boI8s" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>


My god, please tell me this is a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't watch the video, just read its title.

Not a joke at all. Just a small matter of Indian rulers (people with money) making a ulloo (fool) of common janta (people)

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: China has constructed a new village in Arunachal Pradesh, 4.5 kms within Indian territory of the de facto border, consisting of about 101 homes, satellite images show, reports <a href="https://twitter.com/ndtv?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ndtv</a>. <a href="https://t.co/1ZK77XKZMG">pic.twitter.com/1ZK77XKZMG</a></p>— Ahmer Khan (@ahmermkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/1351106552862806018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[YousafTheBeast]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: China has constructed a new village in Arunachal Pradesh, 4.5 kms within Indian territory of the de facto border, consisting of about 101 homes, satellite images show, reports <a href="https://twitter.com/ndtv?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ndtv</a>. <a href="https://t.co/1ZK77XKZMG">pic.twitter.com/1ZK77XKZMG</a></p>— Ahmer Khan (@ahmermkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/1351106552862806018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So either the Indian army was unaware of this happening 4.5km inside their territory or the Indian army allowed the Chinese to go ahead with the construction.

Reading posts by Right-Wing Indians, you’d think the Chinese wouldn’t dare to cross LAC, never mind constructing houses in Indian territory.

 

[the Great Khan]

So either the Indian army was unaware of this happening 4.5km inside their territory or the Indian army allowed the Chinese to go ahead with the construction.&#55358;&#56596;

Reading posts by Right-Wing Indians, you’d think the Chinese wouldn’t dare to cross LAC, never mind constructing houses in Indian territory.

Its all noise. They cant do anything and wont do anything. It would be rank stupidity of they did. India is suffering a major geo-political loss due to the Modi govts jingoism.

All they care about is their seats and they will fool as many idiots as they can to maintain those seats. In the meantime China is making big moves that will change the facts on the ground forever.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Its all noise. They cant do anything and wont do anything. It would be rank stupidity of they did. India is suffering a major geo-political loss due to the Modi govts jingoism.

All they care about is their seats and they will fool as many idiots as they can to maintain those seats. In the meantime China is making big moves that will change the facts on the ground forever.

Now that the Indian media has picked it up, Modi will have to take some kind of action against China to appease his supporters, expect another boycott of Chinese products.

 

[the Great Khan]

Now that the Indian media has picked it up, Modi will have to take some kind of action against China to appease his supporters, expect another boycott of Chinese products.

Which will hit the business community and the economy. They will then start asking questions of this govt. He has put himself into a difficult position so will either have to a) ratchet up the nonsense on the LAC, b) Get his bakht **** to run riot in some Muslim areas for distractions c) carry out some border actions in Kashmir or d) carry out a false flag terror attack and blame Pakistan.

Expect some nonsense after the inauguration. But Chinas move on the LAC has really made things difficult for India. One thing they have been good at in the last 20 years has been their geo political strategy. The last 5-6 years has thrown all that hard work into the bin.

 

[Pakpak]

Which will hit the business community and the economy. They will then start asking questions of this govt. He has put himself into a difficult position so will either have to a) ratchet up the nonsense on the LAC, b) Get his bakht **** to run riot in some Muslim areas for distractions c) carry out some border actions in Kashmir or d) carry out a false flag terror attack and blame Pakistan.

Expect some nonsense after the inauguration. But Chinas move on the LAC has really made things difficult for India. One thing they have been good at in the last 20 years has been their geo political strategy. The last 5-6 years has thrown all that hard work into the bin.

That's why I say Modi is the best agent we could have had. He's pushed Kashmir internationally when the issue was dead and buried. He's had his air force humiliated by us when there was no reason to. India was more or less at peace communally and he's wrecked it in ways even ISI wouldn't have dreamt with. He's had his rear his handed by China. How can anyone Indian support this buffoon is hilarious

 

[GenericBrand]

So did China just pull an Israel on India?

 

[rockyboy2018]

That's why I say Modi is the best agent we could have had. He's pushed Kashmir internationally when the issue was dead and buried. He's had his air force humiliated by us when there was no reason to. India was more or less at peace communally and he's wrecked it in ways even ISI wouldn't have dreamt with. He's had his rear his handed by China. How can anyone Indian support this buffoon is hilarious

Don;t you think that's their internal matter. Who they choose and how they would like to run their country?

 

[Pakpak]

Don;t you think that's their internal matter. Who they choose and how they would like to run their country?

He's your PM you can support who you want. I'm not asking you to vote for him or not. Merely questioning how any Indian can vote for him at the damage he's doing. Not only me but many of your fellow countrymen on PP say the same about him in much stronger terms than me.

 

[rockyboy2018]

He's your PM you can support who you want. I'm not asking you to vote for him or not. Merely questioning how any Indian can vote for him at the damage he's doing. Not only me but many of your fellow countrymen on PP say the same about him in much stronger terms than me.

Well, then he is your real asset and you should not worry about him. At the end of the day, every Pakistani wants Indian destruction and he is doing a good job at it. You should be proud of his achievements.

 

[Pakpak]

Well, then he is your real asset and you should not worry about him. At the end of the day, every Pakistani wants Indian destruction and he is doing a good job at it. You should be proud of his achievements.

I really don't want India's destruction, I'd rather have peace. But if you and your countrymen want Modi to wreck India then more power to those Indians I guess?

For someone calling himself Pakistani you sure are obsessed about what I think of India. It's okay brother, be proud of where youre from

 

[Romali_rotti]

Its all noise. ] India is suffering a major geo-political loss due to the Modi govts jingoism.

Come TGK, you are better than this. If it was the Congress government right now, no one would be talking about it. Matter of fact the Chinese would be advancing and the only resistance would have been about; how much money will be transferred to Italian Sonya's bank account in Europe so China can take whatever they land they want behind closed doors.

Atleast with the Modi Govt, there has been infrastructure building and more activity on the LAC. We all know about the 35,000 KMS Raul Puppu's great grandfather had to hand over to China after getting his butt spanked....

 

[Romali_rotti]

Come TGK, you are better than this. If it was the Congress government right now, no one would be talking about it. Matter of fact the Chinese would be advancing and the only resistance would have been about; how much money will be transferred to Italian Sonya's bank account in Europe so China can take whatever they land they want behind closed doors.

Atleast with the Modi Govt, there has been infrastructure building and more activity on the LAC. We all know about the 35,000 KMS Raul Puppu's great grandfather had to hand over to China after getting his butt spanked....

 

[cricketjoshila]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: China has constructed a new village in Arunachal Pradesh, 4.5 kms within Indian territory of the de facto border, consisting of about 101 homes, satellite images show, reports <a href="https://twitter.com/ndtv?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ndtv</a>. <a href="https://t.co/1ZK77XKZMG">pic.twitter.com/1ZK77XKZMG</a></p>— Ahmer Khan (@ahmermkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/1351106552862806018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why post only a part of the actual article and not even the link to the actual article?

From the actual article.


Though this area is Indian territory, according to official government maps, it has been in effective Chinese control since 1959.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....images-exclusive-2354154?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

[MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION]

 

[cricketjoshila]

So either the Indian army was unaware of this happening 4.5km inside their territory or the Indian army allowed the Chinese to go ahead with the construction.

Reading posts by Right-Wing Indians, you’d think the Chinese wouldn’t dare to cross LAC, never mind constructing houses in Indian territory.

Now that the Indian media has picked it up, Modi will have to take some kind of action against China to appease his supporters, expect another boycott of Chinese products.

Why will any action happen when the territory has been under chinese control since 1959?like china has control of this territory claimed by India, India controls territory claimed by China. This is nothing new.

Got over excited?

Happens when you fall for a propoganda.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Why post only a part of the actual article and not even the link to the actual article?

From the actual article.


Though this area is Indian territory, according to official government maps, it has been in effective Chinese control since 1959.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....images-exclusive-2354154?amp=1&akamai-rum=off


[MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION]

) )

Pakistanis get too trigger happy, they need to just calm down a little I reckon..

This territory must have been taken by China during the border skimish in 1959 when our Sickular Nehru was in charge..

 

[cricketjoshila]

) )

Pakistanis get too trigger happy, they need to just calm down a little I reckon..

This territory must have been taken by China during the border skimish in 1959 when our Sickular Nehru was in charge..

You see how TGK was jumping up and down in glee, taking the propoganda bait.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You see how TGK was jumping up and down in glee, taking the propoganda bait.

I was surprised, TGK is very switched on and on point most times, someone I respect quite a lot here. Ah well, we will have to give him a pass for this one..

 

[Greenstorm]

Why post only a part of the actual article and not even the link to the actual article?

From the actual article.


Though this area is Indian territory, according to official government maps, it has been in effective Chinese control since 1959.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....images-exclusive-2354154?amp=1&akamai-rum=off


[MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION]

) )

Pakistanis get too trigger happy, they need to just calm down a little I reckon..

This territory must have been taken by China during the border skimish in 1959 when our Sickular Nehru was in charge..

Does not change the fact that Chinese are constructing villages in 'Indian territory'. I don't know how Indians are seeing any positive in this ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Does not change the fact that Chinese are constructing villages in 'Indian territory'. I don't know how Indians are seeing any positive in this ?

According to Chinese we have a whole state Sikkim and a huge area Tawang under occupation.

Now guess how much construction happens in Sikkim?

 

[the Great Khan]

You see how TGK was jumping up and down in glee, taking the propoganda bait.

I'm too old to be jumping around now lol. On a serious note, [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] i feel congress did a better job dealing with both Pakistan and China from 2008 to about 2012. Not sure about the current leadership but I just feel the Indian govt is missing a massive trick with regards to Pakistan. You have a pacifist PM in charge one who is a celebrity in India. The army is not interested in fighting a war after the war on terror just ended and the western border needs to be secured plus internal terror issues to deal with.

inmho once the election had been completed the new govt in pakistan was expecting a response from the indian govt.

Think about it this way, the best way to contain China is to initiate peace talks with Pakistan. But then the question is what does containing China mean? for India to become a major power in the next ten years it needs a peace treaty with Pakistan. Once that happens the region will move at light speed towards inter-connectivity. This is the key to the future, access to the new trade routes that are being created. Modi either needs to understand this or someone with more vision needs to come while IK is around.

 

[Greenstorm]

I'm too old to be jumping around now lol. On a serious note, [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] i feel congress did a better job dealing with both Pakistan and China from 2008 to about 2012. Not sure about the current leadership but I just feel the Indian govt is missing a massive trick with regards to Pakistan. You have a pacifist PM in charge one who is a celebrity in India. The army is not interested in fighting a war after the war on terror just ended and the western border needs to be secured plus internal terror issues to deal with.

inmho once the election had been completed the new govt in pakistan was expecting a response from the indian govt.

Think about it this way, the best way to contain China is to initiate peace talks with Pakistan. But then the question is what does containing China mean? for India to become a major power in the next ten years it needs a peace treaty with Pakistan. Once that happens the region will move at light speed towards inter-connectivity. This is the key to the future, access to the new trade routes that are being created. Modi either needs to understand this or someone with more vision needs to come while IK is around.

After all the Indian persecution of Kashmiris and what they did to innocent Pakistanis through TTP, do you really think they will get away with this ?

Modi is a curse that India deserved.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Why will any action happen when the territory has been under chinese control since 1959?like china has control of this territory claimed by India, India controls territory claimed by China. This is nothing new.

Got over excited?

Happens when you fall for a propoganda.

Were these houses constructed in 1959 too?

If India doesn’t take any actions and claims that it’s their territory does that mean they’re ok with the Chinese constructing houses?


Is India also not going to take any action on Pakistan administered Kashmir (territory that India claims is theirs) with the CPEC going through “their territory”?

 

[Madplayer]

Its okay that China is building infrastructure in Indian territory today. Its acceptable because China took it way back in 1960s. It will also be okay if after a few years China builds a village in the Ladakh territory they took last year. Time heals the pain of Indians, so its okay.

 

[MP2011]

Its okay that China is building infrastructure in Indian territory today. Its acceptable because China took it way back in 1960s. It will also be okay if after a few years China builds a village in the Ladakh territory they took last year. Time heals the pain of Indians, so its okay.

Its ok for sanghis because it is happening under the bigot, a fake nationalist. Not for patriot Indians.

But considering the vile nature of those sanghis and their bhakts (quite a few chest thumping idiots on this thread itself) who lynch their opponents just because they oppose them, those patriots have to remain silent.

 

[MenInG]

Indian and Chinese troops were involved in another brawl on their contested Himalayan border, leaving injuries on both sides, military officials said on Monday.

The fighting on January 20 came six months after a pitched battle which left at least 20 Indian troops dead as well as an unknown number of Chinese casualties.

The world's two most populous nations have since become embroiled in a diplomatic showdown over their geographical and political differences.

The Indian military played down the latest skirmish as a “minor face-off” at Naku La pass, which connects Sikkim state with Tibet on the Chinese side.


A short statement said the tensions were “resolved by local commanders as per established protocols”. Four Indian troops were injured when a Chinese patrol was forced back, government sources said.

They added that China's People's Liberation Army suffered an unknown number of casualties.

Meanwhile, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said he didn’t have anything to offer on the incident but urged India to exercise restraint.

“I would like to stress though that China’s border troops are committed to upholding peace and tranquillity along the border with India. We urge the Indian side to work in the same direction as us and refrain from actions that might escalate or complicate the situation along the border,” he told a regular news briefing.

“We hope both sides will take proper actions to manage their differences and take concrete actions to safeguard peace and stability along the border.”

The incident has highlighted the increasingly fraught state of India-China relations. Details were released on the eve of India's Republic Day, when the country shows off its latest military hardware at a parade in the capital.

Hand-to-hand fighting between 150 soldiers from the two sides at Naku La in May last year set off the latest frontier tensions between the world's two most populous nations.

About 10 troops from each side suffered injuries and a series of other incidents followed.

In June, troops from the two sides fought with fists and wooden clubs in the Galwan valley of Ladakh region, leaving dozens dead. China has never confirmed it suffered fatalities.

China and India, who fought a border war in 1962, blame each other for the increased tensions and each has poured tens of thousands of extra troops into border zones.

The latest de-escalation talks between military commanders were held on Sunday but there have been no signs that either side is ready to back down.

India's Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said last month that relations between the neighbours had been “significantly damaged” by the events of the past year.

India is also wary of China's moves to extend its diplomatic muscle into South Asia through massive investment schemes.

The government has sought to block Chinese companies from getting deals in India, banning more than 150 Chinese apps made by its tech giants.

Chinese products are being halted in customs logjams at Indian ports. China has in turn warned that India will suffer economically from the dispute.

 

[silentkiller187]

China sending in the martial artists and mountain climbers in again to clear their lands of bharatis intresting developments in the area.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Where is the Bihar regiment this time?
Who will counter attack the PLA martial artists?

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

According to Chinese we have a whole state Sikkim and a huge area Tawang under occupation.

Now guess how much construction happens in Sikkim?

Technically speaking these mongoloid race people of North eastern states and even Arunachal Pradesh and Laddakh are not Indians (i.e south asians) in any sense. They are news paper reports of them being discriminated within India itself.

In reality Laddakh (and also Gilgit Baltistan) is part of Tibet and it belongs more to Chinese than indians.

 

[Romali_rotti]

China apparently has border disputes with 30 countries ?. Their one belt one road initiative will never be the success they are hoping for, too many countries have issues with them.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

China apparently has border disputes with 30 countries ?. Their one belt one road initiative will never be the success they are hoping for, too many countries have issues with them.

Most of these border disputes are in the ocean. South China Sea. One belt one road is the solution to these border disputes/possibility of trade routes getting blocked, by creating a direct avenue of trade between China and Asia, Africa, Europe via land. Currently trade has to pass through the ocean and go all around India which is simply impractical.

 

[MenInG]

They have been recognised by the country for defending national sovereignty.

China has for the first time recognised four soldiers who died in the June 15 clash in Galwan valley, breaking its silence over the number of casualties suffered by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA).

Twenty Indian soldiers died in the clash, which marked the worst violence on the border since 1967.

The PLA Daily on Friday said “five Chinese frontier officers and soldiers stationed in the Karakoram Mountains have been recognised by the Central Military Commission of China for defending national sovereignty and territorial integrity”, one of whom was injured.

“Chen Hongjun, Chen Xiangrong and Xiao Siyuan fought to the last minute and sacrificed their lives,” the report said and quoted the Global Times. “Wang Zhuoran, a fellow soldier, also gave his life to rescue his comrades when crossing the river to support the others.”

The regimental commander from the PLA Xinjiang Military Command, Qi Fabao, was also recognised “and given the title of “hero regimental commander for defending the border”. The report said he had sustained “a serious head injury”. A first-class merit was awarded to Chen Xiangrong, Xiao Siyuan and Wang Zhuoran.

While suggesting four soldiers died, the report did not say how many injuries the PLA suffered in total, only mentioning the regimental commander’s injury. The PLA is likely to have suffered a far higher number of injured, with Indian officials saying they counted around 60 Chinese soldiers being carried on stretchers after the clash.

The Global Times noted “this is the first time China has unveiled casualties and details of these officers and soldiers”.

There have been isolated calls on Chinese social media to recognise those lost in Galwan, but no major discussion on the PLA’s casualties, a sensitive topic that China’s state-controlled media has studiously avoided. In August, a leaked photo circulated on the Chinese social media app, WeChat, showed a grave of a PLA soldier named Chen Xiangrong, but it was not confirmed by the authorities. This was among the names announced on Friday.

Sensitive issue
In June, a source close to the PLA told the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post that Beijing was “very sensitive” about military casualties, saying all numbers had to be approved by President Xi Jinping, who heads the Central Military Commission, before being released.”

The PLA commendation also presented the Chinese account of the June 15 clash, which the Global Times noted did not refer to India but a “foreign military”, a decision, it said, was to avoid “inciting sentiments of the public against the background of the current disengagement of troops of China and India along the border areas.”

The clash occurred during an attempt by both sides to verify a de-escalation process that was under way in the Galwan Valley, a site of tension since April 2020.

“Since April 2020, relevant foreign military violated the previous agreement… they trespassed the border line to build roads and bridges and intentionally incited troubles, changing the status quo along the border… they even violently attacked Chinese soldiers that were sent for communication,” the report claimed. “When facing the Indian military’s trespassing and provocations in May 2020, Chen Xiangrong and other Chinese soldiers fought back and forced them to return. ‘When facing enemies that outnumbered us, none of us flinched. Amid their stone attacks, we drove them away,’ Chen wrote in his diary,” the report said.

The PLA Daily report suggested India had suffered a higher number of casualties. Qian Feng, director of the research department at the National Strategy Institute at Tsinghua University, told the Global Times, “China unveiled the details of the incident to refute previous disinformation that stated China suffered greater casualties than India or China incited the incident.”

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...iers-died-in-galwan-clash/article33876744.ece

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Chinese have de escalated from Pangong Tso.

The Russian Agency TASS have reported that Chinese casualties number around 40.

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Dated 12th Feb.

NEW DELHI: A day after China said that disengagement of Indian and Chinese troops has begun on the southern and northern banks of Pangong Tso, a Russian news agency has claimed that at least 45 PLA troops had lost their lives in the violent face-off on June 15 last year at the Galwan Valley.

China has never publicly declared the number of casualties they suffered in the clash which resulted in the death of 20 Indian soldiers. “Chinese and Indian forces clashed in the region in May and June 2020, resulting in at least 20 Indian and 45 Chinese servicemen dead,” the agency, TASS, said in its article.

The Russian report is in line with some reports of June 2020, which had quoted some intelligence sources. However, China had termed reports putting the number of Chinese soldiers being killed in the clash at over 40 as fake news.

Three brawls took place between Indian and Chinese troops on June 15 after Beijing refused to withdraw heed the disengagement agreement. Nearly 10 months after the stand-off, the two sides have started pulling back. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh on Thursday said that the Chinese troops would pull back at a position near Finger 8 and the Indian side would be stationed at a post near Finger 3 area.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....-valley-clash-russian-news-agency-2262929.amp


Now China has accepted 5 casualties in the Galwan clash.

 

[RajBan]

The Chinese have de escalated from Pangong Tso.

The Russian Agency TASS have reported that Chinese casualties number around 40.

==

Dated 12th Feb.

NEW DELHI: A day after China said that disengagement of Indian and Chinese troops has begun on the southern and northern banks of Pangong Tso, a Russian news agency has claimed that at least 45 PLA troops had lost their lives in the violent face-off on June 15 last year at the Galwan Valley.

China has never publicly declared the number of casualties they suffered in the clash which resulted in the death of 20 Indian soldiers. “Chinese and Indian forces clashed in the region in May and June 2020, resulting in at least 20 Indian and 45 Chinese servicemen dead,” the agency, TASS, said in its article.

The Russian report is in line with some reports of June 2020, which had quoted some intelligence sources. However, China had termed reports putting the number of Chinese soldiers being killed in the clash at over 40 as fake news.

Three brawls took place between Indian and Chinese troops on June 15 after Beijing refused to withdraw heed the disengagement agreement. Nearly 10 months after the stand-off, the two sides have started pulling back. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh on Thursday said that the Chinese troops would pull back at a position near Finger 8 and the Indian side would be stationed at a post near Finger 3 area.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....-valley-clash-russian-news-agency-2262929.amp


Now China has accepted 5 casualties in the Galwan clash.

Admission from China after so many days is significant and interesting.

 

[Rajdeep]

If one goes through this thread and read previous pages, I have repeatedly said time and again about the casualities on Chinese side. But most people disregarded and behaved as if only Indian soldiers died and Chinese troops remains unharmed. Now that China themselves admitting casualties on their side...same bunch are maintaining distance from this thread...lol.

How many times I have to remind everyone that its no longer old India and Congress dont rule here anymore. China learnt this lesson in a hard way last summer.

 

[Romali_rotti]

How many times I have to remind everyone that its no longer old India and Congress dont rule here anymore.

Ahhh the good old days when Puppu and his mom used to sell away Indian territory for Dollar transfers to the bank account in Italia

 

[cricketjoshila]

If one goes through this thread and read previous pages, I have repeatedly said time and again about the casualities on Chinese side. But most people disregarded and behaved as if only Indian soldiers died and Chinese troops remains unharmed. Now that China themselves admitting casualties on their side...same bunch are maintaining distance from this thread...lol.

How many times I have to remind everyone that its no longer old India and Congress dont rule here anymore. China learnt this lesson in a hard way last summer.

Some people and countries are in awe of China, thank fully most Indians and the Indian government isnt.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Ahhh the good old days when Puppu and his mom used to sell away Indian territory for Dollar transfers to the bank account in Italia View attachment 107206

These days they get Indian territory for free


Buffet libre

 

[cricketjoshila]

These days they get Indian territory for free


Buffet libre

You must be talking about Pakistan,where chinese do as they please. Dont extrapolate your predicament to others.

 

[Chrish]

It doesn’t matter from which side soldiers are dying. The point is human blood is spilled without justifiable reason.