China's 're-education camps' for Uighur Muslims in Xinjian region

[MenInG]

The US Senate has approved a bill calling on President Donald Trump's administration to toughen its response to China's crackdown on the Uighur Muslim minority.

The bipartisan bill, introduced by Republican Senator Marco Rubio, calls for "visa and property-blocking" sanctions against Chinese officials responsible for the repression of Uighurs and other Muslim groups in the country's western region of Xinjiang.

The legislation comes amid criticism of China's internment of more than a million Uighurs and other Turkic Muslim groups in camps that China says provide vocational training.

The Republican-led Senate passed the bill by unanimous consent, without a roll-call vote. Passage sends the measure to the Democratic-led House of Representatives, which must approve it before it is sent to the White House for Trump to sign into law or veto.

The move comes amid steadily worsening relations between the US and China over the coronavirus, with Washington blaming the government in Beijing for the pandemic.

China denies mishandling the outbreak and has condemned moves to pass legislation in support of the Uighurs as malicious attacks and a serious interference in its internal affairs that would affect bilateral cooperation.

In a Twitter post, Rubio called the Chinese government's treatment of the Uighurs "grotesque" and said the bill would hold the Communist Party accountable. The bill specifically singles out a member of China's powerful Politburo as responsible for "gross human rights violations" against them.

Chen Quanguo, party secretary for Xinjiang, is in the upper echelons of China's leadership and Beijing has warned in the past of retaliation "in proportion" if he were targeted.

The Chinese embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the Senate move.

Republican James Risch, who chairs the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, and its senior Democrat, Bob Menendez, called Thursday's move "an important step in countering the totalitarian Chinese government's widespread and horrific human rights abuses".

They urged the House to take up the legislation quickly and send it to the president to be signed into law.

Passage welcomed
Global Uighur rights groups also welcomed the bill's passage, with the World Uyghur Congress hailing it as a moment of "great hope" in a time of despair.

"Once a law, not only will it set a precedent for other countries, but it will especially send a strong signal to the Chinese govt that their human rights violations against the #Uyghurs will no longer be tolerated," tweeted Dolkun Isa, president of the WUC.

The Uyghur Human Rights Project echoed the sentiment in a statement, saying the passage of the bill was "an important milestone in developing a response" to the Uighur's plight and that "US leadership will help ensure other nations take similar steps".

The Senate bill also calls on US companies or individuals operating in the Xinjiang region to take steps to ensure their supply chains are not "compromised by forced labour" there.

It also directs the president to control the export of goods that could "provide China with a critical capability to suppress" privacy, freedom of movement and other basic human rights.

Rubio cosponsored a separate bill in March aimed at preventing goods made from forced labour in Xinjiang from reaching the US.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...tion-china-uighur-rights-200515043805358.html

 

[MenInG]

China has announced retaliatory sanctions against a group of United States politicians, including Republican Senators Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, days after Washington blacklisted a number of Chinese politicians for alleged human rights abuses of the Uighur minority.

Hua Chunying, a spokeswoman of China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the measures - which also targeted Republican Congressman Chris Smith, the US Congressional-Executive Commission on China and Sam Brownback, the US ambassador-at-large for international religious freedom - would begin on Monday.

Hua did not elaborate on what the "corresponding sanctions" would entail.

Last week, the US imposed visa bans and asset freezes on several Chinese officials, including the Communist Party chief in Xinjiang, Chen Quanguo, over the alleged abuses in the western region.

"We urge the US to immediately withdraw its wrong decision, and stop any words and actions that interfere in China's internal affairs and harm China's interests," Hua said.

"China will make a further response depending on the development of the situation."

China's move comes as relations between the world's two biggest economic powerhouses have slumped in recent years.

Washington and Beijing have traded barbs and sanctions on a slew of issues, from trade to more recent spats over the coronavirus pandemic, a security law in Hong Kong, and Chinese policies in Tibet and Xinjiang.

Witnesses and human rights groups say that China has rounded up more than one million Uighurs and other Turkic Muslims in Xinjiang in a vast brainwashing campaign aimed at forcibly homogenising minorities into the country's Han majority.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said last week the US was acting against "horrific and systematic abuses" in the region including forced labour, mass detention and involuntary population control.

China rejects the accusations, but it has acknowledged sending Uighurs to "vocational education centres" to learn Mandarin and job skills in a bid to steer them away from "terrorism" and separatism.

Members of the Uighur diaspora say their relatives have been arrested for seemingly innocuous acts such as sending Ramadan greetings to friends or downloading popular music.

The US sanctions came after a new book by John Bolton, Trump's former national security adviser, alleged that the president spoke approvingly of his Chinese counterpart's explanation of "why he was basically building concentration camps" to intern Uighurs during a G20 meeting in Osaka in 2019 that was attended only by interpreters.

Bolton wrote that the US interpreter said that Trump spoke approvingly of the camps.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...aliation-uighur-measures-200713091345101.html

 

[Romali_rotti]

"We urge the US to immediately withdraw its wrong decision, and stop any words and actions that interfere in China's internal affairs and harm China's interests," Hua said.



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...aliation-uighur-measures-200713091345101.html

Finally, its good to see China sticking and fighting for whats right for a change, I commend them..























































































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[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Uighurs sitting, bound and blindfolded, waiting to be loaded onto train cars and taken — somewhere.<br><br>Drone footage from an unknown hero in China.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Uighur?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Uighur</a> <a href="https://t.co/l9CTfyM2iT">pic.twitter.com/l9CTfyM2iT</a></p>— PariahDog1312☭⃠ 卐⃠ (@PDog119) <a href="https://twitter.com/PDog119/status/1283359233866637314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Romali_rotti]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Uighurs sitting, bound and blindfolded, waiting to be loaded onto train cars and taken — somewhere.<br><br>Drone footage from an unknown hero in China.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Uighur?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Uighur</a> <a href="https://t.co/l9CTfyM2iT">pic.twitter.com/l9CTfyM2iT</a></p>— PariahDog1312&#55357;&#56829;☭⃠ 卐⃠ (@PDog119) <a href="https://twitter.com/PDog119/status/1283359233866637314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sickening.... Are they going to a Chinese auschwitz

 

[sweep_shot]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Uighurs sitting, bound and blindfolded, waiting to be loaded onto train cars and taken — somewhere.<br><br>Drone footage from an unknown hero in China.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Uighur?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Uighur</a> <a href="https://t.co/l9CTfyM2iT">pic.twitter.com/l9CTfyM2iT</a></p>— PariahDog1312&#55357;&#56829;☭⃠ 卐⃠ (@PDog119) <a href="https://twitter.com/PDog119/status/1283359233866637314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sickening and heartbreaking.

I condemn this and I hope and pray these oppressed people will get justice.

 

[Napa]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Uighurs sitting, bound and blindfolded, waiting to be loaded onto train cars and taken — somewhere.<br><br>Drone footage from an unknown hero in China.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Uighur?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Uighur</a> <a href="https://t.co/l9CTfyM2iT">pic.twitter.com/l9CTfyM2iT</a></p>— PariahDog1312☭⃠ 卐⃠ (@PDog119) <a href="https://twitter.com/PDog119/status/1283359233866637314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

China next sends male monitors to sleep in the same beds as the wives of the detained men.

Funnily enough, those who cry themselves hoarse about the human rights of Kashmiris also say China is their best friend forever.

For 70+ years Kashmiris have had the right to vote

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

China next sends male monitors to sleep in the same beds as the wives of the detained men.

Funnily enough, those who cry themselves hoarse about the human rights of Kashmiris also say China is their best friend forever.

For 70+ years Kashmiris have had the right to vote

India should show Pakistan the way by offering refuge to the belaboured Muslim Uighurs. What a slap in the face that would be for Pakistan! Are you with me Napa bro? Please respond in the affirmative if this is what you think should happen!

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

China next sends male monitors to sleep in the same beds as the wives of the detained men.

Funnily enough, those who cry themselves hoarse about the human rights of Kashmiris also say China is their best friend forever.

For 70+ years Kashmiris have had the right to vote

Pakistan is a subcontinent Muslim country, so the people of Pakistan feel closer to other subcontinent Muslims, esp North Indian ones, then they would towards other Muslims in the rest of the world. Therefore Kashmiris get the most attention in Pakistan. After that it would be issues effecting other North Indian Muslims, so there was alot of television coverage to Delhi Riots, Gujarat Riots, Beef lynching etc.

There is little coverage of issues facing other Muslims, such as the ones in China, Yemen, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Philippines, Afghanistan, Myanmar, Darfur, Western Sahara, Chechnya, etc.

Ultimately its our choice who we feel more kinship towards.

 

[Hitman]

Pakistan is a subcontinent Muslim country, so the people of Pakistan feel closer to other subcontinent Muslims, esp North Indian ones, then they would towards other Muslims in the rest of the world. Therefore Kashmiris get the most attention in Pakistan. After that it would be issues effecting other North Indian Muslims, so there was alot of television coverage to Delhi Riots, Gujarat Riots, Beef lynching etc.

There is little coverage of issues facing other Muslims, such as the ones in China, Yemen, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Philippines, Afghanistan, Myanmar, Darfur, Western Sahara, Chechnya, etc.

Ultimately its our choice who we feel more kinship towards.

Is that why you don't recognise Israel?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Is that why you don't recognise Israel?

There are two reasons for not recognizing Israel.

1 - Pakistan gets huge benefits from the gulf Arab countries, so that's why on that issue the goverment of Pakistan wanted to remain on the same page with them. Once Saudi Arabia recognizes Israel Pakistan can as well.


2- Unlike Muslims of other countries who are suffering, Palestine is considered a holy land for Muslims, so the people of Pakistan care about the Palestine issue. Not so much for Palestinians but they care that Palestine is under Muslim control. And unlike Jordan, Egypt, etc, the Pakistan goverment has to take into account domestic opinion before they can recognize Israel.

So once Saudi Arabia recognizes Israel, then Pakistan can do so without opposition from other political parties, and they can make the case to the population that Saudi Arabia has recognized Israel so why cant Pakistan. Until then there is too much political cost for any government to make that decision, and too little benefit.

 

[Napa]

India should show Pakistan the way by offering refuge to the belaboured Muslim Uighurs. What a slap in the face that would be for Pakistan! Are you with me Napa bro? Please respond in the affirmative if this is what you think should happen!

Between the spectrum of extreme hypocrisy and extreme unviable idealism lies the golden mean.

 

[Napa]

Pakistan is a subcontinent Muslim country, so the people of Pakistan feel closer to other subcontinent Muslims, esp North Indian ones, then they would towards other Muslims in the rest of the world. Therefore Kashmiris get the most attention in Pakistan. After that it would be issues effecting other North Indian Muslims, so there was alot of television coverage to Delhi Riots, Gujarat Riots, Beef lynching etc.

There is little coverage of issues facing other Muslims, such as the ones in China, Yemen, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Philippines, Afghanistan, Myanmar, Darfur, Western Sahara, Chechnya, etc.

Ultimately its our choice who we feel more kinship towards.

Then don't say "human rights". Say something non-hypocritical such as "we are subcontinental Muslims and we oppose the mistreatment of other subcontinental Muslims".

Saying something like "we oppose the violation of human rights of Kashmiris" to get a favorable hearing from the West is hypocritical as "human rights" are universal, and if you are committed to "human rights" you would not restrict yourself to the subcontinent.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Then don't say "human rights". Say something non-hypocritical such as "we are subcontinental Muslims and we oppose the mistreatment of other subcontinental Muslims".

Saying something like "we oppose the violation of human rights of Kashmiris" to get a favorable hearing from the West is hypocritical as "human rights" are universal, and if you are committed to "human rights" you would not restrict yourself to the subcontinent.

If Pakistanis are hypocritical so is the rest of the World then. Almost no one raises all Human Rights issues equally. They focus on people who they care most about.

Is the US not hypocritical in raising violation of human rights? Do they do it equally? What about in raising issues for democracy?

Two other points.

1 - You are making an assumption that the prime reasoning for raising Kashmir is to get a favorable hearing from the West.

One for the people in Pakistan, Kashmiris are basically Pakistani. So there is an obligation to raise the Kashmir issue, as to Pakistanis they are "our people". Not raising it makes the leader seem week.

Two there is an electoral reasoning in Punjab, as millions of Punjabi's are of Kashmiri descent. They typically vote for PML N, as Nawaz Sharif and a lot of the top leadership in that party are Kashmiris. So thats one advantage right there.


Three to show to the people of Kashmir Valley that Pakistanis care about the Kashmiris. They cant help militarily, but they can certainly raise the issue diplomatically.


3 - Pakistanis have no ill will to people in the rest of the world, and would hope that get in live in peace. However like everyone else in the world we care more for people who are similar to us.

 

[BreadPakoda]

China next sends male monitors to sleep in the same beds as the wives of the detained men.

Source?

 

[JaDed]

Source?

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uighur-monitor-home-shared-bed-report-2019-11

 

[Napa]

Source?

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uighur-monitor-home-shared-bed-report-2019-11

Also,

"Muslim women ‘forced to share beds’ with male Chinese officials after husbands detained in internment camps"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-male-officials-detention-camps-a9185861.html

"China’s Uighurs told to share beds, meals with party members"

https://apnews.com/9ca1c29fc9554c1697a8729bba4dd93b

"'This is mass rape': Uighur activist condemns program said to pay Chinese men to sleep with Uighur women to promote 'ethnic unity'"

https://www.insider.com/uighur-activists-mass-rape-chinese-men-xinjiang-2019-12

etc.

 

[Napa]

If Pakistanis are hypocritical so is the rest of the World then. Almost no one raises all Human Rights issues equally. They focus on people who they care most about.

Is the US not hypocritical in raising violation of human rights? Do they do it equally? What about in raising issues for democracy?

Two other points.

1 - You are making an assumption that the prime reasoning for raising Kashmir is to get a favorable hearing from the West.

One for the people in Pakistan, Kashmiris are basically Pakistani. So there is an obligation to raise the Kashmir issue, as to Pakistanis they are "our people". Not raising it makes the leader seem week.

Two there is an electoral reasoning in Punjab, as millions of Punjabi's are of Kashmiri descent. They typically vote for PML N, as Nawaz Sharif and a lot of the top leadership in that party are Kashmiris. So thats one advantage right there.


Three to show to the people of Kashmir Valley that Pakistanis care about the Kashmiris. They cant help militarily, but they can certainly raise the issue diplomatically.


3 - Pakistanis have no ill will to people in the rest of the world, and would hope that get in live in peace. However like everyone else in the world we care more for people who are similar to us.

You want to criticize the West, you are welcome to do that, but is a different discussion. Everything I said is valid, including IK complaining about "human rights" of the Kashmiris to get the attention of the West.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Between the spectrum of extreme hypocrisy and extreme unviable idealism lies the golden mean.

How does meaningless rubbish like that help anybody? I mean you do want to help these unfortunate people right? That is the reason you are bringing their plight to our attention surely?

 

[Sidilicious]

I really don’t understand why there isn’t a more vocal opposition to this? This is just sickening. Clearly a modern day holocaust.

Israel’s treatment of Gaza Strip people isn’t exactly commendable. But this takes it to another level. Whatever, ones politics may be, but this needs to be stopped.

 

[Pakpak]

Absolutely disgusting.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I really don’t understand why there isn’t a more vocal opposition to this? This is just sickening. Clearly a modern day holocaust.

Israel’s treatment of Gaza Strip people isn’t exactly commendable. But this takes it to another level. Whatever, ones politics may be, but this needs to be stopped.

Forget Imran Khan who’s obviously loyal towards China. You don’t even see the likes of Modi calling this out.

 

[Bewal Express]

The Chinese are evil and IA they will pay a heavy price for their evil. What it shows is that as Muslims we are open game for anyone with a gun. Whether its Kashmir, Burma or China, evil is being committed against innocent people. Our own countries are just as evil in Syria and Yemen. The cries of the innocent will be heard, Allah has given a warning to the World with CV, let's see if the World heeds the warning.

 

[Sidilicious]

Forget Imran Khan who’s obviously loyal towards China. You don’t even see the likes of Modi calling this out.

I really don’t understand Modi’s and other south East Asian leaders silence over this matter. This is our generations holocaust and we are all quiet.

I really hope history does not look kindly upon those who decided to say nothing. All of these leaders are collaborators.

 

[Sidilicious]

The Chinese are evil and IA they will pay a heavy price for their evil. What it shows is that as Muslims we are open game for anyone with a gun. Whether its Kashmir, Burma or China, evil is being committed against innocent people. Our own countries are just as evil in Syria and Yemen. The cries of the innocent will be heard, Allah has given a warning to the World with CV, let's see if the World heeds the warning.

Muslim are not open game. People are. Muslim have been responsible for enough atrocities as well. A lot of Muslim countries are still holocaust deniers. It simply proves that Muslims or no other religion is ‘gods people’. We all are gods people, or none of us are.

We need to speak up not because one is Muslim or anti-China. We need to do something because speaking against it is the right thing to do. because we need to do it for the human race. History will not look kindly at us if we fail stop this. All Asian leaders, but especially those with a good relationship with China.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I really don’t understand Modi’s and other south East Asian leaders silence over this matter. This is our generations holocaust and we are all quiet.

I really hope history does not look kindly upon those who decided to say nothing. All of these leaders are collaborators.

There is no collaboration in south east Asia, you only have to look at what happened in Burma to see that. All countries from Sri Lanka to Pakistan will look out for themselves, and to be fair they don't have the power or resources to challenge China.

As for India, under their current leadership they would probably rather emulate China's actions than object to them.

 

[Sidilicious]

There is no collaboration in south east Asia, you only have to look at what happened in Burma to see that. All countries from Sri Lanka to Pakistan will look out for themselves, and to be fair they don't have the power or resources to challenge China.

As for India, under their current leadership they would probably rather emulate China's actions than object to them.

Firstly, there is a trend towards it. All of them are starting to have problems with China around the South China Sea. Though, you are right, collaboration is generally lacking.

As for India, they cant even think of emulating China. One little CAA, and the whole country came to standstill. They will try things, but enough of non-Muslims are with the Muslims to create havoc in the country.

However, talking for Uighur muslims would not cost him anything. He is talking against China. Win with his main voters. He is talking for Muslims. Would help in winning some Muslim votes even.

Also, Modi talking about this would make the issue a big deal amongst G20. No leader should stay quiet over this.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Firstly, there is a trend towards it. All of them are starting to have problems with China around the South China Sea. Though, you are right, collaboration is generally lacking.

As for India, they cant even think of emulating China. One little CAA, and the whole country came to standstill. They will try things, but enough of non-Muslims are with the Muslims to create havoc in the country.

However, talking for Uighur muslims would not cost him anything. He is talking against China. Win with his main voters. He is talking for Muslims. Would help in winning some Muslim votes even.

Also, Modi talking about this would make the issue a big deal amongst G20. No leader should stay quiet over this.

The thing is Modi is a well known hater of Muslims. He has toned down since he became Prime Minister, but if one looks at his pre Prime Minister speeches you can see exactly what he thinks. So neither will the rest of the World care, nor will he get extra voters from his base (who dont like Muslims), or from Muslims from talking about the Uighurs.

If a Congress leader talked against China it would be one thing, heck they would even get a lot of Pakistanis supporting him/her.

 

[Pakpak]

I really don’t understand Modi’s and other south East Asian leaders silence over this matter. This is our generations holocaust and we are all quiet.

I really hope history does not look kindly upon those who decided to say nothing. All of these leaders are collaborators.

India won't ever raise their voice against this properly or against HK for the reason China will do the same when it comes to Kashmir as right now mainly it's only Pakistan that makes noise about Kashmir.

Pakistan doesn't raise voice as CPEC is our bloodline and our big hope to recover our economy. Add to that militarily and economically China would crush us to smitherins if we decide to stand up against up against them like we do on Kashmir or Palestine.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

India won't ever raise their voice against this properly or against HK for the reason China will do the same when it comes to Kashmir as right now mainly it's only Pakistan that makes noise about Kashmir.

Pakistan doesn't raise voice as CPEC is our bloodline and our big hope to recover our economy. Add to that militarily and economically China would crush us to smitherins if we decide to stand up against up against them like we do on Kashmir or Palestine.

Thats one reason the economic one. But another and more important one is that for the people of Pakistan have way more in common with people of Kashmir and Muslims of North India, then we ever will with Uighur's. No amount of money will silent Pakistanis when it comes to issues effecting other Subcontinent Muslims.

 

[Buffet]

Also,

"Muslim women ‘forced to share beds’ with male Chinese officials after husbands detained in internment camps"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-male-officials-detention-camps-a9185861.html

"China’s Uighurs told to share beds, meals with party members"

https://apnews.com/9ca1c29fc9554c1697a8729bba4dd93b

"'This is mass rape': Uighur activist condemns program said to pay Chinese men to sleep with Uighur women to promote 'ethnic unity'"

https://www.insider.com/uighur-activists-mass-rape-chinese-men-xinjiang-2019-12

etc.

Economic issues and retalation by china stops many to speak agaisnt this horrible actions. Mass rape sanctioned by insititution is not much different to what happened in Germany.

 

[Bewal Express]

Muslim are not open game. People are. Muslim have been responsible for enough atrocities as well. A lot of Muslim countries are still holocaust deniers. It simply proves that Muslims or no other religion is ‘gods people’. We all are gods people, or none of us are.

We need to speak up not because one is Muslim or anti-China. We need to do something because speaking against it is the right thing to do. because we need to do it for the human race. History will not look kindly at us if we fail stop this. All Asian leaders, but especially those with a good relationship with China.

Muslims are open game for all sorts of losers. The Indians kacked their pants against the Chinese, but take turns to rape Muslim women in Kashmir and killing their men. The Chinese are the same and IA I am alive to see the day when some Muslim countries have the righteousness and courage to take revenge on them. No one has come to aid the Kashmiris, Uighurs or Rohyinga, no one will mind when Muslims develop some consciousness and take revenge.

 

[Buffet]

Muslims are open game for all sorts of losers. The Indians kacked their pants against the Chinese, but take turns to rape Muslim women in Kashmir and killing their men. The Chinese are the same and IA I am alive to see the day when some Muslim countries have the righteousness and courage to take revenge on them. No one has come to aid the Kashmiris, Uighurs or Rohyinga, no one will mind when Muslims develop some consciousness and take revenge.

1000s of minority are kidnapped and raped within Pakistan. That's not by non-muslims. Stop acting as if Muslims are some monolythic nice group.

 

[Buffet]

There are good and bad actors in all parts of world. It's there in all humans. Most of the oppositions against bad actors can happen when opposition is done simply based on human rights and not as Muslims, non-Muslims etc.

There is no monolythic Muslim or non-Muslim world as many posters potray here. Different countries will simply act on whatever they see as their best interest. Price of voicing against descrimination in countries like UK or France or US is not costly. Same is not true for specific instance of China and that's why mostly silence.

 

[Bewal Express]

1000s of minority are kidnapped and raped within Pakistan. That's not by non-muslims. Stop acting as if Muslims are some monolythic nice group.

That's just as evil. I am not here defend anyones evil acts.

 

[Buffet]

That's just as evil. I am not here defend anyones evil acts.

Apologies. I did not intend to convey that you are supporting any of those acts.

 

[Bewal Express]

Apologies. I did not intend to convey that you are supporting any of those acts.

I am believer in the dignity of people and their freedom to practice their customs and beliefs. If any Muslims oppress minorities in their lands then they are just as evil as the state sponsored terror of the Chinese with the Uighurs, Inds in Kashmir or the Burmese.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Uyghur father in Australia fears for his wife and children trapped in Xinjiang


Mamutjan Abdurehim hasn't been able to hug his wife or young children in almost five years.

The 42-year-old, his short hair flecked with grey, often thinks about them as he sits in the park near his home in Sydney's western suburbs.

He's never spoken about his family's ordeal publicly before, hoping his silence might mean he could reunite in Australia with his wife Muherrem Ablet, his 10-year-old-daughter Muhlise and his five-year-old son Hikmet.

But a new development has "effectively crumbled" his hope of a quiet reunion. After years apart and fresh fears his wife has been incarcerated in one of China's mass internment camps, he's decided to speak out for the first time.

The Sydneysider is a Uyghur, part of the Turkic-speaking Muslim ethnic minority facing persecution in China.

The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has been internationally condemned, including by Australia, for its detention and surveillance of Uyghurs and other Muslim minority groups in the autonomous region of Xinjiang.

Allegations are rife about forced sterilisation of Uyghur women, forced labour in factories, and other measures amounting to what has been described as cultural genocide.

The Chinese Government has repeatedly denied its "vocational training centres" are concentration camps, and says the measures are necessary to counter what it calls extremism and terrorism.

Mr Abdurehim holds grave fears for his wife and two children in the city of Kashgar. But the lack of certainty about their fate is one of the most painful parts of their separation.

"It's like psychological torture," he said.

"The core, the immediate family, is everything you have. Without them, you're like a dead person, just … you're lost."

How the family was separated
The family of four lived in Malaysia for almost three years, between the start of 2013 and the end of 2015, while Mr Abdurehim was studying a doctorate degree at university.

Ms Ablet lost her passport and the Chinese embassy in Kuala Lumpur issued her a one-off travel document, seen by the ABC, to go back to Xinjiang to renew it.

At the time, this seemed like a normal procedure, Mr Abdurehim said. It didn't ring alarm bells. So in December of 2015, Ms Ablet travelled with the children back to Kashgar.

She was able to get a new passport relatively quickly in 2016, Mr Abdurehim said, but due to the family's financial situation she couldn't re-join him immediately in Malaysia.

In the months before the CCP's crackdown was fully-fledged, Ms Ablet indicated the situation was getting worse — she had been questioned by local authorities for wearing a hijab, and she started using facial expressions rather than words when she communicated with her husband.

Then, in April of 2017, Mr Abdurehim's parents told him his wife had been taken away.

His father, too, was detained for some time, according to Mr Abdurehim's mother.

"[My mother] told me not to call her anymore because receiving calls is dangerous … at that point in May [of 2017], she already knew that receiving calls from overseas would be one of the reasons to be to be taken away," he said.

Coming to Australia
Fearing for his safety in Malaysia, which had been accused of deporting Uyghurs in the past, Mr Abdurehim fled to Australia.

"China was aggressively recalling students through their family members back home," he said, adding there were reports of forced deportations in some countries.

From then on, he only got information about his family in snatches.

About two months after her detention, Ms Ablet contacted Mr Abdurehim briefly, saying she was home for a day, but would be detained again.

"She messaged me saying that: 'I will be gone, and so if I cannot message you again, just wait until I can contact you.'"

That's the last message Mr Abdurehim got from his wife, in June 2017.

She then deleted her husband from her contacts and social media.

It was a "stressful two years, being in the dark," Mr Abdurehim said. But there was a flicker of hope.

In early May of 2019, he came across a video of his son posted to a relative's WeChat account. The last time Mr Abdurehim saw his son, he was six months old. Now, he was almost four.

In the video, seen by the ABC, the child says: "My mum has graduated!" looking at the sky in a state of euphoria.

"I could overhear her voice in the video," Mr Abdurehim said.

"I immediately downloaded it and watched it so many times.

"At last he was able to see his mum after two years … I was a bit relieved. That was a clear indication of her release."

After begging an acquaintance for information, they confirmed she had been released.

Mr Abdurehim didn't hear from his wife, but he said he was at least comforted by the thought that she and his children were back together.

His relief was short-lived.

Coded messages hint at dire situation
Mr Abdurehim told the ABC he suspected his wife was re-arrested in 2019 and could be detained for up to five years.

The truth is, he doesn't know for sure, and he'd like to be proven wrong. But from his limited contact and gleaning messages through coded words, it's what he's come to expect.

Mr Abdurehim said phrases like "not at home" and "in hospital" were sometimes used to hint that a person had been detained in a re-education camp.

When he asked a contact, a close friend's relative who knows his family, "how old" his wife was, the response came back: five years.

"I was crushed. That is a standard way of conveying information related to incarceration," he said.

"It effectively left my two children without parental care for the last three years and without me for five years."

He said the climate of fear fostered in Xinjiang meant it was difficult to get any reliable information about his family.

Contact with Uyghur family members overseas is well-known as a reason to be targeted for re-education, according to Alim Osman, head of the Uyghur Association of Victoria.

Mr Osman confirmed these kinds of coded words and emojis were used to convey information.

"For example, if someone's wife or relatives or friends disappeared, they would say they went to study or they went to hospital. So that means they are rounded up in the concentration camps," he said.

Mr Osman said others in the Uyghur community in Australia had heard about their family members being arrested a second time after a stint in a re-education camp, and that often meant they were being put to work under forced labour conditions in Xinjiang's factories.

Australia urges China to 'cease arbitrary detention' of Uyghurs and other Muslims
The ABC's attempts to verify his wife's whereabouts, and if she has been charged with any crime or handed any sentence, were unsuccessful.

Her name does not appear in relation to any legal case on China's Judicial Process Information website.

Emails to local government authorities and police in Kashgar went unanswered, and a Kashgar police officer hung up when they heard an ABC journalist was enquiring about a reported missing woman. They did not pick up further calls.

The Chinese embassy and consulates in Sydney and Melbourne did not respond to requests for comment by deadline, and calls to the media section rang out.

A Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) spokesperson indicated there wasn't much the Australian Government could do in Mr Abdurehim's case, as he and his wife are not citizens.

"The support the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade can provide overseas to people who are not Australian citizens is very limited," they said in a statement.

"Under our bilateral consular agreement, China allows access only to Australian citizens who have entered China on an Australian passport."

They reiterated the "deep and growing concerns" Foreign Minister Marise Payne articulated earlier this month about human rights abuses against Uyghurs.

"The Australian Government has serious concerns about the treatment of Uyghurs in China and has consistently urged China to cease the arbitrary detention of Uyghurs and other Muslim groups in Xinjiang," DFAT told the ABC.

Compelled to speak out, despite the risks
For Australia's Uyghur community, the not-knowing, and being cut off from contacting their loved ones, is part of their torment.

"Sometimes we just feel hopeless and it's had a huge impact on our mental health and well-being," Mr Osman said.

"Sometimes we couldn't sleep, because we just feel we couldn't help."

He said members of the Uyghur diaspora in Australia often didn't talk about their relatives being subjected to human rights abuses in China.

"If they talk about it, their relatives back home will pay the price," he said.

"So when people come out to talk about what's happening, they will take a huge risk for themselves, even here, and back home as well."

For Mr Abdurehim, the decision weighed heavily on him, but he felt compelled to speak out.

"I'm suffering anyway, they are suffering anyway. So what's the point in hoping for a silent solution?" he said.

After being almost incommunicado for two years, Mr Abdurehim dared to call his mother's home in August last year, during Eid, a holy Muslim festival.

She picked up, but he could tell she was "extremely nervous". Speaking hastily, she said: "No, no, they record us at home".

Mr Abdurehim believes his children are being raised by his parents and in-laws. They have spent most of their young lives without their father present.

He wonders if his daughter can still read and write in the Uyghur language, or if those skills have faded at Chinese school.

Mr Abdurehim appealed to the Chinese authorities to release his wife, if she is in prison.

"Three years is too long for arbitrary detention of an innocent person based on religion or ethnicity," he said, let alone what he suspected was a longer detention for "imaginary crimes".

"She was just an ordinary woman like most of us, without any strong ideological convictions, and a kind mother of our two children.

"All I want is the freedom of my wife and children and the reunion of my family."

Additional reporting by Samuel Yang and Bang Xiao


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/sydn...jiang/ar-BB16UMnu?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignout

 

[Slog]

The great shame and an indicator of how far things have fallen from a humanity perspective is that the great majority of indians do not care for the atrocities being committed but only care to use it as a means of deflection and whataboutism.

 

[Buffet]

I have not seen indian officials raising this issue. Most likely reason is that they don't want China to raise human rights issue in Kashmir.

Similarly, despite moral high ground impression of Merkel, Germany doesn't want to go hard on China on this. Main reason is China being the largest importer from Germany.

Even US was not raising it forcefully earlier and only now it's getting attention from officials because reltionship is anyway down right now.

Different incentives are driving actions here, but world should focus more on this. Mass rapes sanctioned by institution is reminder of what happened in Germany earlier.

 

[Buffet]

The World’s Most Technologically Sophisticated Genocide Is Happening in Xinjiang


Two recent disturbing events may finally awaken the world to the scale and horror of the atrocities being committed against the Uighurs, a mostly secular Muslim ethnic minority, in Xinjiang, China. One is an authoritative report documenting the systematic sterilization of Uighur women. The other was the seizure by U.S. Customs and Border Protection of 13 tons of products made from human hair suspected of being forcibly removed from Uighurs imprisoned in concentration camps. Both events evoke chilling parallels to past atrocities elsewhere, forced sterilization of minorities, disabled, and Indigenous people, and the image of the glass display of mountains of hair preserved at Auschwitz.

The Genocide Convention, to which China is a signatory, defines genocide as specific acts against members of a group with the intent to destroy that group in whole or in part. These acts include (a) killing; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm; (c) deliberately inflicting conditions of life to bring about the group’s physical destruction; (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and (e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Any one of these categories constitutes genocide. The overwhelming evidence of the Chinese government’s deliberate and systematic campaign to destroy the Uighur people clearly meets each of these categories.

Over a million Turkic Uighurs are detained in concentration camps, prisons, and forced labor factories in China. Detainees are subject to military-style discipline, thought transformation, and forced confessions. They are abused, tortured, raped, and even killed. Survivors report being subjected to electrocution, waterboarding, repeated beatings, stress positions, and injections of unknown substances. These mass detention camps are designed to cause serious physical, psychological harm and mentally break the Uighur people. The repeated government orders to “break their lineage, break their roots, break their connections, and break their origins”; “round up everyone who should be rounded up”; and systematically prevent Uighur births demonstrate a clear intent to eradicate the Uighur people as a whole.

Ekpar Asat (brother of one of the present authors) is an emblematic example of how Uighurs are targeted regardless of their recognition as model Chinese citizens by the Communist Party. Asat was praised by the government for his community leadership as a “bridge builder” and “positive force” between ethnic minorities and the Xinjiang local government. But Asat still suffered the same fate as over a million other Uighurs and disappeared into the shadows of the concentration camps in 2016. He is held incommunicado and is reported to be serving a 15-year sentence on the trumped-up charge of “inciting ethnic hatred.” Not a single court document is available about his case.

In 2017, Xinjiang waged a brutal “Special Campaign to Control Birth Control Violations,” along with specific local directives. By 2019, the government planned to subject over 80 percent of women of childbearing age in southern Xinjiang to forced intrauterine devices (IUDs) and sterilization. The goal is to achieve “zero birth control violation incidents.” Government documents reveal a campaign of mass female sterilization supported by state funding to carry out hundreds of thousands of sterilizations in 2019 and 2020. This goes far beyond the scale, per capita, of forced sterilization inflicted on women throughout China under the past one-child policy.

To implement these policies, the Xinjiang government employed “dragnet-style” investigations to hunt down women of childbearing age.To implement these policies, the Xinjiang government employed “dragnet-style” investigations to hunt down women of childbearing age. Once apprehended, these women have no choice but to undergo forced sterilization to avoid being sent to an internment camp. Once detained, women face forced injections, abortions, and unknown drugs.
And statistics show that the government is meeting its birth prevention goals.

Between 2015 and 2018, population growth rates in the Uighur heartland plummeted by 84 percent. Conversely, official documents show that sterilization rates skyrocketed in Xinjiang while plunging throughout the rest of China, and the funding for these programs is only increasing. Between 2017 and 2018, in one district, the percentage of women who were infertile or widowed increased by 124 percent and 117 percent, respectively. In 2018, 80 percent of all IUD placements in China were performed in Xinjiang despite accounting for a mere 1.8 percent of China’s population. These IUDs can be removed only by state-approved surgery—or else prison terms will follow. In Kashgar, only about 3 percent of married women of childbearing age gave birth in 2019. The latest annual reports from some of these regions have begun omitting birth rate information altogether to conceal the scale of destruction. The government has shut down its entire online platform after these revelations. The scale and scope of these measures are clearly designed to halt Uighur births.

With Uighur men detained and women sterilized, the government has laid the groundwork for the physical destruction of the Uighur people. At least half a million of the remaining Uighur children have been separated from their families and are being raised by the state at so-called “children shelters.”

What makes this genocide so uniquely dangerous is its technological sophistication, allowing for efficiency in its destruction and concealment from global attention. The Uighurs have been suffering under the most advanced police state, with extensive controls and restrictions on every aspect of life—religious, familial, cultural, and social. To facilitate surveillance, Xinjiang operates under a grid management system. Cities and villages are split into squares of about 500 people. Each square has a police station that closely monitors inhabitants by regularly scanning their identification cards, faces, DNA samples, fingerprints, and cell phones. These methods are supplemented by a machine-operated system known as the Integrated Joint Operations Platform. The system uses machine learning to collect personal data from video surveillance, smartphones, and other private records to generate lists for detention. Over a million Han Chinese watchers have been installed in Uighur households, rendering even intimate spaces subject to the government’s eye.

The Chinese government operates the most intrusive mass surveillance system in the world and repeatedly denies the international community meaningful access to it. It is therefore incumbent on us to appreciate the nature, depth, and speed of the genocide and act now before it’s too late.

Recognizing or refusing to name this a genocide will be a matter of life or death. In 1994, by the time U.S. officials were done debating the applicability of the term to the situation in Rwanda, nearly a million Tutsis had already been slaughtered. A document dated May 1, 1994, at the height of the genocide, by an official in the Office of the Secretary of Defense stated: “Genocide finding could commit [the U.S. government] to actually ‘do something.’” Four years later, President Bill Clinton stood before Rwandan survivors and reflected on his administration’s historic failure and vowed: “Never again must we be shy in the face of the evidence.”

With the passing of the Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act, the U.S. government has begun to take steps in the right direction to avoid another human catastrophe. Seventy-eight members of Congress have followed up with a call for the administration to impose Magnitsky sanctions on the responsible Chinese officials and issue a formal declaration of the atrocity crimes, including genocide. So far, the administration has officially imposed Magnitsky sanctions on four Chinese officials and an entity in charge of the Orwellian surveillance system and responsible for the expansion of the internment camps in Xinjiang. The U.S. government must now make an official determination of genocide. This will not be difficult, as U.S. State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus has already asserted that “what has happened to the Uighur people … is potentially the worst crime that we have seen since the Holocaust.”

A formal declaration of genocide is not simply symbolic. It will catalyze other countries to join in a concerted effort to end the ongoing genocide in Xinjiang. It will also prompt consumers to reject the over 80 international brands that profit off genocide. Furthermore, the determination will strengthen legal remedies for sanctioning companies that profit from modern slavery in their supply chains sourced in China and compel business entities to refrain from profiting from genocide and commit to ethical sourcing.

In our interconnected world, we are not only bystanders if we fail to recognize the genocide as we see it. We are complicit.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/07/15/uighur-genocide-xinjiang-china-surveillance-sterilization/

 

[BreadPakoda]

The great shame and an indicator of how far things have fallen from a humanity perspective is that the great majority of indians do not care for the atrocities being committed but only care to use it as a means of deflection and whataboutism.

Same goes for Kashmir which sadly most Pakistanis use as a political tool.

 

[BreadPakoda]

While they are negatives to it, it is still good that Turkey has strong leadership. Erdogan will stand up against these atrocities. Turkey has done that in the past.

 

[Civil]

Absolute tragedy what is happening to these poor people. Thinking about the kids taken away from their parents just breaks my heart .

 

[Slog]

Same goes for Kashmir which sadly most Pakistanis use as a political tool.

Not at all. Pakistanis see Kashmiris as Pakistanis. We are talking for our countrymen not for some political points

 

[BreadPakoda]

Not at all. Pakistanis see Kashmiris as Pakistanis. We are talking for our countrymen not for some political points

That’s where you are wrong. Stop seeing Kashmiris as “Pakistanis” with the sole dream of acquiring the territory that they come with. See them as humans first.

 

[Slog]

That’s where you are wrong. Stop seeing Kashmiris as “Pakistanis” with the sole dream of acquiring the territory that they come with. See them as humans first.

you are projecting your thought process on me unfortunately here.

besides its a two-way street. they think so too hence the pro- Pakistan slogans, flags etc etc.

 

[BreadPakoda]

you are projecting your thought process on me unfortunately here.

besides its a two-way street. they think so too hence the pro- Pakistan slogans, flags etc etc.

The Kashmiris I’ve met want freedom from both the countries.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...d/asia/pakistan-kashmir-independence.amp.html

 

[pillionrider]

Not at all. Pakistanis see Kashmiris as Pakistanis. We are talking for our countrymen not for some political points

That's why it's funny to see Kashmiri's from POK turn up as audience at debates featuring Indians and say things like, "I'm from Azad Kashmir and I'm free."

 

[James]

^Isn’t this a thread about Muslims in China?

Anyway this is all over the news at the moment.

China is denying everything. Which I suppose is to be expected.

 

[BreadPakoda]

^Isn’t this a thread about Muslims in China?

Anyway this is all over the news at the moment.

China is denying everything. Which I suppose is to be expected.

Unfortunately, a lot of Muslims don’t like to discuss Muslims in China. It’s an uncomfortable topic. So the topic gets deflected to Indians, Palestine, etc.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Unfortunately, a lot of Muslims don’t like to discuss Muslims in China. It’s an uncomfortable topic. So the topic gets deflected to Indians, Palestine, etc.

But when I directly asked you and your Indian friend Napa how we could discuss a mutually acceptable way forward for the Uighurs, neither of you replied. I think maybe the that isn't the result that some non-Muslims are interested in?

 

[Pakpak]

It's v v sad we depend on China. That we don't have a choice, otherwise what a disgusting regime China is.

If this was happening to Jews there would be a world war right now. The blame also goes to Muslim nations who have applauded them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's v v sad we depend on China. That we don't have a choice, otherwise what a disgusting regime China is.

If this was happening to Jews there would be a world war right now. The blame also goes to Muslim nations who have applauded them.

The countries that have the power to take on China - which is basically us in the west - are starting to flex their muscles, but it has nothing to do with oppression of Muslims, it is because China is threatening our global reach and economic clout.

 

[Napa]

But when I directly asked you and your Indian friend Napa how we could discuss a mutually acceptable way forward for the Uighurs, neither of you replied. I think maybe the that isn't the result that some non-Muslims are interested in?

I did not say there is no way forward. I dismissed your suggestion that the Uighurs move to India.

The way forward is for all countries to criticize what China. The next best way forward is to not praise China's human rights record.

"Pakistan among 54 nations praising China’s human rights record"
https://www.dawn.com/news/1513950

At the very least don't be a hypocrite and call Modi a "Hitler" for whatever is happening in Kashmir (where people actually have the right to vote, millions are not in concentration camps, women are not being forcibly sterilized, wives are not being made to sleep in the same beds with male "monitors" while their husbands are jailed etc.) while praising China's human rights record.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I did not say there is no way forward. I dismissed your suggestion that the Uighurs move to India.

The way forward is for all countries to criticize what China. The next best way forward is to not praise China's human rights record.

"Pakistan among 54 nations praising China’s human rights record"
https://www.dawn.com/news/1513950

At the very least don't be a hypocrite and call Modi a "Hitler" for whatever is happening in Kashmir (where people actually have the right to vote, millions are not in concentration camps, women are not being forcibly sterilized, wives are not being made to sleep in the same beds with male "monitors" while their husbands are jailed etc.) while praising China's human rights record.

Your purpose isn't to show empathy to Uighur Muslims, it is rather to criticise Pakistan first, and China second. You and most of the Indian posters on this thread don't give two hoots about the Muslims in China, if anything their mistreatment probably delights you as it gives you some barbs to throw at regional rivals. So wipe away the crocodile tears and pop a bottle of champagne. Enjoy.

 

[BreadPakoda]

But when I directly asked you and your Indian friend Napa how we could discuss a mutually acceptable way forward for the Uighurs, neither of you replied. I think maybe the that isn't the result that some non-Muslims are interested in?

Captain you and I both know you’re on this thread to deflect any point against China. I applaud your loyalty but please spare me the effort to brainstorm a solution with you!

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The Kashmiris I’ve met want freedom from both the countries.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...d/asia/pakistan-kashmir-independence.amp.html

You have meet Kashmiris from Pakistan?

In Pakistan there are two types of people who call themselves Kashmiri.

People predominately in Punjab and some in Karachi who are descendant of ethnic Kashmiris from the valley.

And people in Azad Kashmir, who call themselves Kashmiri. the majority of these people are Mirpuri, they are basically Punjabi Muslims. It makes zero sense for them to ever leave, which is why Pakistan always insisted on one winner take all referendum. Because they are convinced that they would win that. The only true Kashmiri area in Pakistan is Neelum Valley.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Your purpose isn't to show empathy to Uighur Muslims, it is rather to criticise Pakistan first, and China second. You and most of the Indian posters on this thread don't give two hoots about the Muslims in China, if anything their mistreatment probably delights you as it gives you some barbs to throw at regional rivals. So wipe away the crocodile tears and pop a bottle of champagne. Enjoy.

Bingo.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Unfortunately, a lot of Muslims don’t like to discuss Muslims in China. It’s an uncomfortable topic. So the topic gets deflected to Indians, Palestine, etc.

As far as Muslims of Pakistan go, while we sympathize with the Uighurs, at the end of the day we are subcontinent Muslims and we have our own issues to worry about. Its not like other Muslim countries are doing anything about Kashmir.

We have the right to feel closer to other subcontinent Muslims first before we worry about Uighurs. And had there been no Kashmir issue, then i am sure that Pakistanis would feel closer to Non Muslims in India then they ever would have about Uighur's. Because we would still have more in common with them culturally.

They are bad things happening to a lot of people in the world today. Its unfortunate.

 

[Pakpak]

You have meet Kashmiris from Pakistan?

In Pakistan there are two types of people who call themselves Kashmiri.

People predominately in Punjab and some in Karachi who are descendant of ethnic Kashmiris from the valley.

And people in Azad Kashmir, who call themselves Kashmiri. the majority of these people are Mirpuri, they are basically Punjabi Muslims. It makes zero sense for them to ever leave, which is why Pakistan always insisted on one winner take all referendum. Because they are convinced that they would win that. The only true Kashmiri area in Pakistan is Neelum Valley.

He's chatting nonsense. Not a single Kashmiri I met wants independence from Pakistan. Some of my in-laws are from Azad Kashmir so I know that first hand.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

As far as Muslims of Pakistan go, while we sympathize with the Uighurs, at the end of the day we are subcontinent Muslims and we have our own issues to worry about. Its not like other Muslim countries are doing anything about Kashmir.

We have the right to feel closer to other subcontinent Muslims first before we worry about Uighurs. And had there been no Kashmir issue, then i am sure that Pakistanis would feel closer to Non Muslims in India then they ever would have about Uighur's. Because we would still have more in common with them culturally.

They are bad things happening to a lot of people in the world today. Its unfortunate.

Any Muslim that isnt sickened by what's going on with the Uyghurs is a sociopath let alone a Muslim.

 

[Napa]

Your purpose isn't to show empathy to Uighur Muslims, it is rather to criticise Pakistan first, and China second. You and most of the Indian posters on this thread don't give two hoots about the Muslims in China, if anything their mistreatment probably delights you as it gives you some barbs to throw at regional rivals. So wipe away the crocodile tears and pop a bottle of champagne. Enjoy.

I feel sorry for the Ugyhurs, like I would for all people targeted for genocide. You have no basis for accusing me of shedding crocodile tears.

You also said my purpose is to criticize Pakistan and China. That is true.

No more replies unless there is something new.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Bingo.

Bingo for stating the obvious.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Any Muslim that isnt sickened by what's going on with the Uyghurs is a sociopath let alone a Muslim.

All humans should be sickened by whats going on. However all countries do whats in there best interest. Is it not in Pakistan's best interest to have good relations with China? Does the government not have a responsibility to their own people first?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Your purpose isn't to show empathy to Uighur Muslims, it is rather to criticise Pakistan first, and China second. You and most of the Indian posters on this thread don't give two hoots about the Muslims in China, if anything their mistreatment probably delights you as it gives you some barbs to throw at regional rivals. So wipe away the crocodile tears and pop a bottle of champagne. Enjoy.

I cant believe I am saying this, I don't believe I have ever said this to any posters yet: What a terrible post by you Cap, post 164 will genuinely shock most human beings.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

All humans should be sickened by whats going on. However all countries do whats in there best interest. Is it not in Pakistan's best interest to have good relations with China? Does the government not have a responsibility to their own people first?

I'D Rather not. We don't have ties with Israel!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I feel sorry for the Ugyhurs, like I would for all people targeted for genocide. You have no basis for accusing me of shedding crocodile tears.

You also said my purpose is to criticize Pakistan and China. That is true.

No more replies unless there is something new.

Which kind of proves the suggestion about crocodile tears does it not?

 

[Romali_rotti]

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If this is not holocaust part 2, I dont know what is.

 

[MenInG]

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If this is not holocaust part 2, I dont know what is.

It is shameful but I watched the Chinese Ambassadors interview on this and he says that the source of the video is not clear and that they always transport criminals etc

Of course we must all believe what we want to and Al Jazeera is a good source of info.

 

[gani999]

While they are negatives to it, it is still good that Turkey has strong leadership. Erdogan will stand up against these atrocities. Turkey has done that in the past.

Documents obtained by news website Axios revealed that Turkey accepted Chinese request of extradition of a Uighur man who fled Xinjiang.
https://ahvalnews.com/turkey-china/turkey-accepted-chinas-extradition-request-uighur-man-report

How Turkey is sending Muslim Uighurs back to China without breaking its promise
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-uighurs-back-china-without-breaking-promise/

So much for Erodgan being the champion of Islam and opressed muslims the world over. Another self-styled protector of the muslim ummah bending over in front of the Chinese

 

[bluevision]

https://youtu.be/17oCQakzIl8

that was one clever tik tok video that forced many to dig a bit deeper.

 

[Abdullah719]

Disney’s Mulan faces backlash, boycott for filming in Xinjiang

The Walt Disney film, Mulan, is facing renewed calls for a boycott after authorities in China’s westernmost region of Xinjiang, where some one million Muslim Uighurs are being held in camps, were named in the movie’s closing credits.

The live-action adaptation of the 1998 animated film of the same title is on livestreaming platforms in the US but has been released on the big screen elsewhere. It is expected to premiere in cinemas in China on September 11 - following more than four months of delay because of the pandemic.

Based on a 2,000-year-old Chinese legend, Mulan tells the story of a girl who disguises herself as a boy to join the Chinese Imperial Army to fight the invading Huns and save her father from going to battle.

Jet Li, who plays the role of the emperor in the film, told Reuters news agency that he is hoping that the audience will love the film “because it’s such a great, beautiful movie”.

But after the film’s livestreaming release on Friday, observers noticed that the film credited several government agencies in Xinjiang.

Among those that received “special thanks” was the Chinese Communist Party’s “publicity department” which is in charge of propaganda in Xinjiang.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...boycott-filming-xinjiang-200908015624236.html

 

[Pakpak]

Saw a video of a mosque turned into a bar and dance place, despicable.

 

[Bigboii]

Disney’s Mulan faces backlash, boycott for filming in Xinjiang

The Walt Disney film, Mulan, is facing renewed calls for a boycott after authorities in China’s westernmost region of Xinjiang, where some one million Muslim Uighurs are being held in camps, were named in the movie’s closing credits.

The live-action adaptation of the 1998 animated film of the same title is on livestreaming platforms in the US but has been released on the big screen elsewhere. It is expected to premiere in cinemas in China on September 11 - following more than four months of delay because of the pandemic.

Based on a 2,000-year-old Chinese legend, Mulan tells the story of a girl who disguises herself as a boy to join the Chinese Imperial Army to fight the invading Huns and save her father from going to battle.

Jet Li, who plays the role of the emperor in the film, told Reuters news agency that he is hoping that the audience will love the film “because it’s such a great, beautiful movie”.

But after the film’s livestreaming release on Friday, observers noticed that the film credited several government agencies in Xinjiang.

Among those that received “special thanks” was the Chinese Communist Party’s “publicity department” which is in charge of propaganda in Xinjiang.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...boycott-filming-xinjiang-200908015624236.html

yeah thanks, but no thanks
I am watching mulan I don't know how boycotting a Disney movie can help Xinjiang

 

[JaDed]

yeah thanks, but no thanks
I am watching mulan I don't know how boycotting a Disney movie can help Xinjiang

While nothing to do with Xinjiang , you really wanna pay and watch Mulan over Tenet??

Is it coz some childhood memory?

 

[Bigboii]

While nothing to do with Xinjiang , you really wanna pay and watch Mulan over Tenet??

Is it coz some childhood memory?

yes
the snow scene where all of the mongol army was destroyed was the greatest scene in animation history imo

 

[JaDed]

yes
the snow scene where all of the mongol army was destroyed was the greatest scene in animation history imo

Same reason I thought of watching Aladdin and then after seeing the trailer i ws like er no..

 

[Gabbar Singh]

China investing even more money into (re)education.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">China has built 380 internment camps in Xinjiang, study finds <a href="https://t.co/FwGhunPD4C">https://t.co/FwGhunPD4C</a></p>— The Guardian (@guardian) <a href="https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1308952126719131649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[SpiritOf1903]

DISGUSTING. Shame on 'Ummah'