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Despite playing some good knocks in CPL and international circuit, Gayle still couldn't find place in any of PSL squads.
He would have been available for almost most of the season considering that Windies have no international assignment during Feb with World Cup Qualifiers taking place in March.

This also most probably means end of Gayle in PSL considering his age.

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Because in the PSL Gayle cannot feast on club level trundlers that sacrifice themselves to him in the IPL.

Pakistani bowlers >>>>> Indian bowlers
 
Guess they like his style in India... Real Entertainer and T20 is about entertainment. Of course all of it is not on the field.
 
He is not going to be picked in the IPL from now on either. He is past his prime and was a liability for RCB last season. It is a shame that PSL didn't exist during his prime years.

A poor title though. It gives the impression that Gayle is good enough for the IPL but not good enough for the PSL, which is a pointless, jingoistic statement devoid of any ground realities.

The standard and the pool of players in the IPL is 10x better than the PSL, and any player who is good enough for the IPL is obviously going to be good enough for the PSL. However, the reverse is not true. There are plenty of players in the PSL who are not going to get picked for the IPL.
 
His IPL Days will be over too if he doesn't perform there. He didn't deserve to be picked in the PSL because he didn't do jack in the prior 2 seasons. Maybe this is also payback for his refusal to tour Pakistan and for being among the major players who lobbied with the WICB not to tour Pakistan.
 
babajee said:
Because in the PSL Gayle cannot feast on club level trundlers that sacrifice themselves to him in the IPL.

Pakistani bowlers >>>>> Indian bowlers
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Posts like these do not help. PSL is a minnow league compared to the IPL, and a pick Gayle would have been the most valuable pick in the PSL. However, as I said, he is finished now and is no longer going to be a big star in the IPL.
 
should have been picked in place of lewis as Evin will be busy in international matches whereas Gayle will be available for entire tournament
 
Mamoon said:
He is not going to be picked in the IPL from now on either. He is past his prime and was a liability for RCB last season. It is a shame that PSL didn't exist during his prime years.

A poor title though. It gives the impression that Gayle is good enough for the IPL but not good enough for the PSL, which is a pointless, jingoistic statement devoid of any ground realities.

The standard and the pool of players in the IPL is 10x better than the PSL, and any player who is good enough for the IPL is obviously going to be good enough for the PSL. However, the reverse is not true. There are plenty of players in the PSL who are not going to get picked for the IPL.
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So players like Ashok Dinda are good enough for the PSL?

Just because IPL has the word “Indian” in it it doesn’t make it 10x better than the PSL.

There’s plenty of terrible players in the IPL as well.
 
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Mamoon said:
Posts like these do not help. PSL is a minnow league compared to the IPL, and a pick Gayle would have been the most valuable pick in the PSL. However, as I said, he is finished now and is no longer going to be a big star in the IPL.
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Help whom?
 
Mamoon said:
Posts like these do not help. PSL is a minnow league compared to the IPL, and a pick Gayle would have been the most valuable pick in the PSL. However, as I said, he is finished now and is no longer going to be a big star in the IPL.
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Local bowling talent and All Rounders talent pool in PSL> IPL which takes the quality of cricket in PSL to another level.
 
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babajee said:
Because in the PSL Gayle cannot feast on club level trundlers that sacrifice themselves to him in the IPL.

Pakistani bowlers >>>>> Indian bowlers
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Look this way, IPL was able to use him and afford him when he was in prime for years. PSL can not afford him even when he is not in his prime, a long way to go for PSL to be mentioned in same sentence with IPL.
 
Can’t compare as Gayle was at his prime when IPL started and in his late 30s during PSL.
 
Titan24 said:
Local bowling talent and All Rounders talent pool in PSL> IPL which takes the quality of cricket in PSL to another level.
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This.

I genuinely believe the standard of cricket is better in the PSL.

Batsmen in the IPL have bashed Indian trundlers for years, which is why we have seen “talents” like Rishabh pant look like complete duds at international level.
 
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babajee said:
Because in the PSL Gayle cannot feast on club level trundlers that sacrifice themselves to him in the IPL.

Pakistani bowlers >>>>> Indian bowlers
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Well said...he is getting useless now plus he was a waste of money in the first two seasons..
Pakistani bowlers will feast on him
 
The guy was a total embarrassment for LQ and the last 2 tournaments. No wonder he didn't get a place. Too expensive and nothing to show for.
 
rashmin said:
Look this way, IPL was able to use him and afford him when he was in prime for years. PSL can not afford him even when he is not in his prime, a long way to go for PSL to be mentioned in same sentence with IPL.
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Nobody needs to "look this way" because "this way" is delusional to put it politely.

PSL cannot afford him even when he is not in his prime? What a laughable and forced way of thinking. Teams in PSL are buying players for same money as Gayle's price. And why would anyone want him when he is not in his prime and is just a liability?
 
rashmin said:
Look this way, IPL was able to use him and afford him when he was in prime for years. PSL can not afford him even when he is not in his prime, a long way to go for PSL to be mentioned in same sentence with IPL.
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What is this logic :facepalm:

They can easily afford him but he is just a complete waste of money.
 
MenInG said:
Help whom?
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Help in quality of the forum i suppose.

Threads like these gives an impression that ipl stars get rejected in psl.

This is conclusion drawn upon without much deeper analysis of what gayle was and now. That makes it a shallow post.

There is an element in the reference frame which must be included in order to value a player.

Time frame.

That's absent in the post.
 
Quality of bowling in PSL is ten times what you would get in IPL no wonder Chris Gayle flourishes there but is useless in PSL.
 
Sirris said:
The guy was a total embarrassment for LQ and the last 2 tournaments. No wonder he didn't get a place. Too expensive and nothing to show for.
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To be honest, his attitude was terrible, a person with some shame especially when he is struggling would keep his head down but Gayle kept on partying behind the scenes even though he was doing nothing for his employer who had spent a huge sum on him and that naturally will put any employer off.
 
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Sirris said:
The guy was a total embarrassment for LQ and the last 2 tournaments. No wonder he didn't get a place. Too expensive and nothing to show for.
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He played first season for LQ was garbage, was dropped, KK picked him and was garbage again and dropped again.
 
Itachi said:
Help in quality of the forum i suppose.

Threads like these gives an impression that ipl stars get rejected in psl.

This is conclusion drawn upon without much deeper analysis of what gayle was and now. That makes it a shallow post.

There is an element in the reference frame which must be included in order to value a player.

Time frame.

That's absent in the post.
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Its also about the quality of bowling and standard of pitches. India offers comparatively easy bowlers and flattest of pitches. Gayle thrives there. Wouldnt be surprised if he gets picked for IPL again next time.
 
He is well past his prime. He was dropped by RCB as well for some matches during the last season. Will struggle to get a team this time around. Lol at comments of PSL being better than the IPL. Loving it!
 
People love him back in India, especially Bangalore crowd. Even if doesn't perform, he will bring in crowds just like how Sachin for Mumbai Indians. RCB should look to have him back in the squad.
 
So apparently, a league where bowlers like dale Steyn have to be benched have an inferior bowlers pool than a league where none of the prime bowlers of the top 6 nations are playing. I guess bowlers like Rabada, boult, starc are dime a dozen. :))
 
aniket1911 said:
So apparently, a league where bowlers like dale Steyn have to be benched have an inferior bowlers pool than a league where none of the prime bowlers of the top 6 nations are playing. I guess bowlers like Rabada, boult, starc are dime a dozen. :))
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1-2 bowlers in a team cannot compensate for the mediocrity of the others.

It’s about the overall standard not just a few top players.
 
babajee said:
1-2 bowlers in a team cannot compensate for the mediocrity of the others.

It’s about the overall standard not just a few top players.
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are you serious? It's the top bowlers that spearhead the bowling attack gives credibility to bowling attack. Then again, PSL has many has beens and players past their prime so it might be possible that there are not many batsman of the class of de villiers, kohli or de kock to boss them around and they look superior feasting on over the hill players aided by sluggish pitches of UAE which by no means a benchmark to gauge quality of the bowling attack because when Pakistan last played on Indian pitches in last world T20 there bowling was rubbish on those pattas.

Anywho, this argument of Pakistani bowling pool better than Indian bowling one doesn't hold up, as both teams have been winning matches on the back of their bowling since long time now.
 
babajee said:
So players like Ashok Dinda are good enough for the PSL?

Just because IPL has the word “Indian” in it it doesn’t make it 10x better than the PSL.

There’s plenty of terrible players in the IPL as well.
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Titan24 said:
Local bowling talent and All Rounders talent pool in PSL> IPL which takes the quality of cricket in PSL to another level.
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I am talking about the pool of foreign players; there is plenty of local garbage in the PSL as well.

The local bowling talent might be marginally better in the PSL, but the local batting talent is far superior in the IPL and the pool of foreign players is not comparable either. Overall, if one takes his green-tinted glasses off, it is not hard to realize that the standard of the IPL is far greater.

IPL is the best T20 league in the world and PSL is no match at this point, and never will be because PCB does not have the resources that the BCCI does, and Pakistan simply doesn't have the pull and the attraction that India has due to numerous reasons that are beyond the scope of this thread.

The amount of delusion in this thread is nauseating.
 
Madplayer said:
Its also about the quality of bowling and standard of pitches. India offers comparatively easy bowlers and flattest of pitches. Gayle thrives there. Wouldnt be surprised if he gets picked for IPL again next time.
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He might, but he is coming to the end of his IPL career. A peak Gayle would have been a big player in the PSL in spite of the slower pitches.
 
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Mamoon said:
He might, but he is coming to the end of his IPL career. A peak Gayle would have been a big player in the PSL in spite of the slower pitches.
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There is no disagreement there.

I will wait till i see Gayle in IPL on those pancakes (if he gets picked) to pass my final judgement on him. So far it does appear that he has lost his mojo forever.
 
Gayle is past his prime, plus the batting friendly pitches in India are more suited to his batting than the slow spinning tracking of UAE, where he won't be able to score much.
 
babajee said:
Because in the PSL Gayle cannot feast on club level trundlers that sacrifice themselves to him in the IPL.

Pakistani bowlers >>>>> Indian bowlers
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Such a flawed logic.
According to you
Kamran Akhmal and Bopara must be ATGs ?
 
Madplayer said:
There is no disagreement there.

I will wait till i see Gayle in IPL on those pancakes (if he gets picked) to pass my final judgement on him. So far it does appear that he has lost his mojo forever.
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He was very poor in the last IPL. His reflexes are gone, irrespective of the pitches.
 
Darren Sammy
Sangakkara
Cameron Delport
Luke Wright
Rilee Roussouw

God knows how many such players play in PSL who wont find a place in IPL.
 
babajee said:
This.

I genuinely believe the standard of cricket is better in the PSL.

Batsmen in the IPL have bashed Indian trundlers for years, which is why we have seen “talents” like Rishabh pant look like complete duds at international level.
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Pant has played 2 T20Is and averages 43 at a stirke rate of 113. How is that enough for you to call him a dud? Please know what you're talking about before posting, otherwise you end up looking like a fool.
 
Syed1 said:
Quality of bowling in PSL is ten times what you would get in IPL no wonder Chris Gayle flourishes there but is useless in PSL.
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I wonder why Pakistan doesn't use those brilliant domestic bowlers in international matches. Maybe they would have helped Pakistan get to the semifinals of last year's T20 world cup.
 
rashmin said:
Look this way, IPL was able to use him and afford him when he was in prime for years. PSL can not afford him even when he is not in his prime, a long way to go for PSL to be mentioned in same sentence with IPL.
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Dude PSL wasnt even here when Gayle was in his prime. He was in PSL since the start and for two seasons he didnt perform at all so where does the affordability comes in the scene.
 
Sachin136 said:
Pant has played 2 T20Is and averages 43 at a stirke rate of 113. How is that enough for you to call him a dud? Please know what you're talking about before posting, otherwise you end up looking like a fool.
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Couldn’t buy a run against NZ A team bowlers.
 
The bowling of Pakistan domestic cricket is better than India? Maybe the fast bowlers are marginally better and even that is doubtful. What has Pakistan produced of fast bowlers past 5 years? There is nothing really to talk about and Indian fast bowling stock is probably the best they ever had. The Indian spinners are better than Pakistan. Batsman are miles better. Fast bowlers are in demand in IPL as well. All the top fast bowlers fit were playing IPL, so stop this notion that cricket quality in PSL is better than IPL. Rewind and take a look at the PSL final in Lahore and then talk.
 
Sachin136 said:
I wonder why Pakistan doesn't use those brilliant domestic bowlers in international matches. Maybe they would have helped Pakistan get to the semifinals of last year's T20 world cup.
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Yes maybe they would have.

Instead our selectors give chances to 36 year old spraygun TTFs like Mohammad Sami and expect us to do well in a T20 world cup.
 
I'm not getting into the IPL v PSL debate. In India the pitches are generally truer and easier for batsmen to hit through the line whereas UAE pitches are sluggish and harder to time your shots.

But Gayle has always struggled against our bowlers because we take the pace off the ball and we can tie him down with spin.

However you can't judge him as a player on the basis of these last few years where he's well past his prime, he's one of the greatest hitters of the game and of the T20s format.
 
King Kong said:
He is well past his prime. He was dropped by RCB as well for some matches during the last season. Will struggle to get a team this time around. Lol at comments of PSL being better than the IPL. Loving it!
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Give me five fast bowlers who can be compared to top five fast bowlers of PSL, and 5 All rounders, preferably pace bowling ones who can be compared to the ones in PSL. Local talent that is
 
aniket1911 said:
So apparently, a league where bowlers like dale Steyn have to be benched have an inferior bowlers pool than a league where none of the prime bowlers of the top 6 nations are playing. I guess bowlers like Rabada, boult, starc are dime a dozen. :))
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You didnt get it, did you? Local talent was in focus here, only four foreign players can play in each time rest are locals, yes India does have some good batsman but I cant see some mouth watering talent with ball in hand. So overall quality of cricket dependa upon good batsmen and good bowlers
 
Titan24 said:
Give me five fast bowlers who can be compared to top five fast bowlers of PSL, and 5 All rounders, preferably pace bowling ones who can be compared to the ones in PSL. Local talent that is
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Why don't you post the top 5 pace bowlers of PSL and top 5 pace allrounders of PSL and then start a comparison.
 
Sachin136 said:
I wonder why Pakistan doesn't use those brilliant domestic bowlers in international matches. Maybe they would have helped Pakistan get to the semifinals of last year's T20 world cup.
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Ahmm ahmm, which is the no 1 ranked T20 team in the world. Who is the top ranked bowler in ODI and who is the second best bowler in T20s, was best 10 days ago I guess. What did the Pakistani bolwers did in CT 17 final?
 
In his prime he would have done well had the PSL been around. But he's clearly past his best now so it was correct by the franchises not to take a chance on him.

Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get picked up in the IPL auction as well.
 
Titan24 said:
You didnt get it, did you? Local talent was in focus here, only four foreign players can play in each time rest are locals, yes India does have some good batsman but I cant see some mouth watering talent with ball in hand. So overall quality of cricket dependa upon good batsmen and good bowlers
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local talent doesn't mean anything regarding bowling quality of league which we were talking about initially, as almost all the top bowlers in the world play in IPL but not in PSL. Local bowling talent is a subjecIive analysis which is prone to biases so no point discussing it when there is no clear way to judge who have better.
 
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Gayle never does well against good bowling attacks. UAE's pitches are a nightmare for him. It's just the conditions. Nothing to do with IPL or PSL as a product.
 
Sachin136 said:
I wonder why Pakistan doesn't use those brilliant domestic bowlers in international matches. Maybe they would have helped Pakistan get to the semifinals of last year's T20 world cup.
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LOL funny you bring last years irrelevant T20 WC but ignore the latest CT :)))
 
aniket1911 said:
local talent doesn't mean anything regarding bowling quality of league which we were talking about initially, as almost all the top bowlers in the world play in IPL but not in PSL. Local bowling talent is a subjecIive analysis which is prone to biases so no point discussing it when there is no clear way to judge who have better.
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How many overseas bowlers teams in IPL play in playing 11 two, max three. If the rest two or three are not good enough players target those and get their runs tally up but that weak links are not that common in PSL due to better local talent.

But if there is some hidden talent or upcoming fast bowlers in IPL you wanna share please go ahead.
 
Titan24 said:
How many overseas bowlers teams in IPL play in playing 11 two, max three. If the rest two or three are not good enough players target those and get their runs tally up but that weak links are not that common in PSL due to better local talent.

But if there is some hidden talent or upcoming fast bowlers in IPL you wanna share please go ahead.
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That's very simplistic way of looking at things.

1. PSL had only 5 team till now meaning better concentration of good bowlers and yet there were anwar ali and wahab riaz as mainstays in the teams which is quite telling.

2. Last time when IPL happened in UAE the scores were low as well and many batsman were not able to hit it out of the park but don't see anyone insinuating that bowling pool is best in the world.


Let these same bowlers in PSL ball to international stalwarts like Kohli, smith, warner and co on Indian pitches and then I will have no qualms in accepting that Pakistani bowling pool is best in the world because as I said earlier Pakistani bowling was massacred last time they toured India.
 
Looks like it's IPL vs PSL now. Let's give the PSL 3 more years, we'll be able to draw a better conclusion after that.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Darren Sammy
Sangakkara
Cameron Delport
Luke Wright
Rilee Roussouw

God knows how many such players play in PSL who wont find a place in IPL.
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Hilarious how you chose names who aren't even regulars at international level.

What about Jason Roy,Sam Billings,Bmac,Colin Munroe,Imran Tahir,Sunil Narine,Kieron Pollard,and Samuel Badree all who played in IPL last year? :yk2
 
Syed1 said:
LOL funny you bring last years irrelevant T20 WC but ignore the latest CT :)))
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Mere bhai, ab to CT se bahar niklo.... this thread is about T20s leagues and just to make you aware, CT was an ODI tournament
 
rashmin said:
Mere bhai, ab to CT se bahar niklo.... this thread is about T20s leagues and just to make you aware, CT was an ODI tournament
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Champions Trophy will be celebrated for the next three decades. It is the new 1992 World Cup.
 
Mamoon said:
Champions Trophy will be celebrated for the next three decades. It is the new 1992 World Cup.
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It will be celebrated by people who love their country's cricket. The rest will find ways to lower its importance but that is to be expected.
 
Hasan123 said:
Hilarious how you chose names who aren't even regulars at international level.

What about Jason Roy,Sam Billings,Bmac,Colin Munroe,Imran Tahir,Sunil Narine,Kieron Pollard,and Samuel Badree all who played in IPL last year? :yk2
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These are not regulars at international level yet they are regular in PSL.

How many regulars from Aus, SA, NZ, India play in PSL? Almost all of them play IPL.So what are you on about.The player pool in IPL far exceeds anything in PSL.
 
There is not a single player in the world who would prefer to play in the PSL at the expense of the IPL, and the tragedy is that even Pakistani players would most probably prefer to play in the IPL over the PSL.
 
MenInG said:
It will be celebrated by people who love their country's cricket. The rest will find ways to lower its importance but that is to be expected.
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Only in Pakistan do celebrations never end. India got over the World Cup triumph in a month, and no one brought it up when they got thrashed in England and Australia that year.
 
Mamoon said:
Only in Pakistan do celebrations never end. India got over the World Cup triumph in a month, and no one brought it up when they got thrashed in England and Australia that year.
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Celebrations never end because of fans like you bhai. Always writing our players off.
 
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