Christian girl allegedly forced to convert to Islam in Pakistan (Indian media reports)

[cricketjoshila]

In the third incident of conversion of girls from minority communities in over a week, a 15-year-old Christian girl was allegedly forced to convert to Islam by her teacher in Pakistan's Punjab province.

According to a complaint filed by the girl's father Mukhtar Masih at a police station, Faiza was taken to a seminary in the Sheikhupura city, some 50 km from Lahore, by her school principal Saleema Bibi, who forced her to embrace Islam.

Mukhtar said the girl had gone to school on Wednesday but did not return home.

We contacted the school to inquire about her. A class teacher told us that Principal Saleema Bibi had taken our girl to a madrassa (seminary) to convert her to Islam," he said.

Mukhtar said they visited at least three seminaries and found her in one of them but the staff did not allow her to return with them.

Police raided the seminary on the basis of the complaint, recovered the girl and shifted her to a Darul Aman (shelter home) in Sheikhupura.

We took action and recovered the girl on Mukhtar Masih’s complaint but FIR has not been registered against any one yet. However, we are investigating the matter, Muhammad Nawaz, the police official investigating the case said.

The girl told her parents that as she was reading Arabic in school, her teacher said she had "automatically become a Muslim."

The principal had also offered us to convert to Islam and in return she would compensate us by paying for our needs but we refused, Mukhtar said.


The parents of the girl have appealed to the authorities to allow their daughter to return home.

On September 3, a Hindu girl was allegedly abducted and converted to Islam in Pakistan's Sindh province.

A teenage Sikh girl was allegedly abducted and converted to Islam before being married to a Muslim man in the country's Punjab province on August 30.



https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....nvert-to-islam-in-pakistan-1596473-2019-09-06

15yr old forcefully converted by her teacher.And even after police complaint a minor us not returned to her parents. Why?

Third such case since Aug 30.

 

[MenInG]

Is this somehow to contrast with whats happening in India?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is this somehow to contrast with whats happening in India?

Nothing to contrast. I am surprised that these minor children are not returned to their parents.

 

[Major]

In pakistan we are taught by our religious teachers that it is our duty to convert people to islam. By doing so we would be awarded or something like that in after life.

So this is something that has been inbreded in us to indulge in peoples personal matters like religion.

 

[desirous of desire]

In pakistan we are taught by our religious teachers that it is our duty to convert people to islam. By doing so we would be awarded or something like that in after life.

So this is something that has been inbreded in us to indulge in peoples personal matters like religion.

Its not taught to forcefully convert people to islam.However, yes its our duty to preach islam not just by words but also by the strength of our character which is what we are lacking right now.

 

[IndianHero]

Thank god for the action taken by police ! Conversion is not a problem but forced/bribed conversion is wrong.

In India too we have these bribed conversions like if u (as hindu) convert as christian u will end up getting 1.5 lakh + reservation in education/jobs. Once converted these ppl register themselves as christians but still visit hindu temples, follow hindu festivals, have hindu gods photos in their house etc., so wat's the point in converting such ppl when their affection still lies to their previous religion ?

 

[pillionrider]

In India too we have these bribed conversions like if u (as hindu) convert as christian u will end up getting 1.5 lakh + reservation in education/jobs. Once converted these ppl register themselves as christians but still visit hindu temples, follow hindu festivals, have hindu gods photos in their house etc., so wat's the point in converting such ppl when their affection still lies to their previous religion ?

) Is this what they teach you at Whatsapp University?

 

[Kriketer]

In pakistan we are taught by our religious teachers that it is our duty to convert people to islam. By doing so we would be awarded or something like that in after life.

So this is something that has been inbreded in us to indulge in peoples personal matters like religion.

Quite ridiculous. Not sure what school or Tam Bak To people you have lived around Pakistan, certainly I have never come across people telling me for forceful conversions. You deliver the message is all they say, that if if there is a need or topic is touched upon. Don't spread lies.

 

[Khan12]

In pakistan we are taught by our religious teachers that it is our duty to convert people to islam. By doing so we would be awarded or something like that in after life.

So this is something that has been inbreded in us to indulge in peoples personal matters like religion.

Rubbish as usual. Nothing surprising. No one teaches you to force them. I guess you can't differentiate between preaching and forced.

 

[IndianHero]

) Is this what they teach you at Whatsapp University?

I was born & brought up from vizag, AP, India.There is a area called 'Gnanapuram' in vizag where u have lot of christian colonies but still have ganesh mandals during ganesh chathruthi & temples filled with lots of crowd on hindu festivals, infact I have personally visited few of my friends houses where they have hindu gods photos inside their houses but on paper they are christians for reservations.

 

[Major]

Yes converting people is not wrong, but would Pakistani's accept hindu or christian missionaries converting muslims to their religion?

Because although apostasy is not a crime in Pakistan, the blasphemy law is used against the person.

 

[Syed1]

Yes converting people is not wrong, but would Pakistani's accept hindu or christian missionaries converting muslims to their religion?

Because although apostasy is not a crime in Pakistan, the blasphemy law is used against the person.

So when your blatant lying is exposed you change goal posts?

 

[Major]

So when your blatant lying is exposed you change goal posts?

i never lied and still stand by what qaris promote in Pakistan.

I have been told by many qaris that it was our duty to convert other people. WHich is quite hypocritical as we won't allow people from other religions to convert muslims

I never said anything about being forced, what i said was how this thing of indulging in personal religious belief is inputted into our skulls from early ages.

 

[desirous of desire]

i never lied and still stand by what qaris promote in Pakistan.

I have been told by many qaris that it was our duty to convert other people. WHich is quite hypocritical as we won't allow people from other religions to convert muslims

I never said anything about being forced, what i said was how this thing of indulging in personal religious belief is inputted into our skulls from early ages.

Do the Qaris say just conversion or forceful conversion ?

 

[Lonewarrior]

atleast police is not biased, they took action, instead of sweeping this under the carpet.

 

[Abdullah719]

i never lied and still stand by what qaris promote in Pakistan.

I have been told by many qaris that it was our duty to convert other people. WHich is quite hypocritical as we won't allow people from other religions to convert muslims

I never said anything about being forced, what i said was how this thing of indulging in personal religious belief is inputted into our skulls from early ages.

OK but the case in this thread is about an alleged forced conversion.

 

[Khan12]

India today is a worldwide recogined news. While BBC,CNN, Al Jazzeera etc publish fake news. Some people

 

[Major]

OK but the case in this thread is about an alleged forced conversion.

which is again related.

People forcefully start converting others because it is put their minds that converting others to islam is a good deed and you are helping out and also benefiting yourself in afterlife.

What is being taught is that meddling with peoples private affairs such as religious belief.

Now a person who listen to these qaris might think that forced conversion will make him look good aswell infront of God, hence they indulge in such things.

 

[Zeshan547]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] stop making fool of yourself, peacefully presenting your case and forcefully converting someone are totally two different things and no qari promote forced conversion.

 

[Abdullah719]

which is again related.

People forcefully start converting others because it is put their minds that converting others to islam is a good deed and you are helping out and also benefiting yourself in afterlife.

What is being taught is that meddling with peoples private affairs such as religious belief.

Now a person who listen to these qaris might think that forced conversion will make him look good aswell infront of God, hence they indulge in such things.

Then that person is an idiot. The A-grade type.

 

[kk1992]

Notice, no one from Pakistan or Pakistani origin trying to spin the news to make Pakistan look better?

Imagine if it was India, a hindu trying to do the same, we would have heard many excuses, number is too small, fake news, India is a secular country, India has to do this to become a better country, Muslims should just shut up and accept it for their better future, "yessa massa" and etc.

 

[pillionrider]

I was born & brought up from vizag, AP, India.There is a area called 'Gnanapuram' in vizag where u have lot of christian colonies but still have ganesh mandals during ganesh chathruthi & temples filled with lots of crowd on hindu festivals, infact I have personally visited few of my friends houses where they have hindu gods photos inside their houses but on paper they are christians for reservations.

If a Hindu belonging to the SC category converts to Christianity, doesn't he lose his eligibility for reservation in colleges and government institutions? Are you seriously saying that the minority reservation that such a Christian receives will outweigh the benefits if he remained belonging to the Hindu Scheduled Caste.

 

[IAJ]

which is again related.

People forcefully start converting others because it is put their minds that converting others to islam is a good deed and you are helping out and also benefiting yourself in afterlife.

What is being taught is that meddling with peoples private affairs such as religious belief.

Now a person who listen to these qaris might think that forced conversion will make him look good aswell infront of God, hence they indulge in such things.

You need to try harder...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The source of this article is India Today. I am assuming the story must have been lifted from a Pakistani news site, but there is no reference to it. Unless India today has journalists live in Pakistan, which would be impressive.

 

[IMMY69]

The source of this article is India Today. I am assuming the story must have been lifted from a Pakistani news site, but there is no reference to it. Unless India today has journalists live in Pakistan, which would be impressive.

One certain rule everyone must live by...
Indian news regarding Pakistan is utterly fake and largely biased and used as propaganda. It seems the locals and a few so called Pakistanis here lap it up with aplomb

 

[saeedhk]

Why is that only non-Muslim teenage girls are converted to Islam who are then swiftly married off to Pakistani Muslim men?

Why aren’t non-Muslim men converting to Islam?

Why don’t Pakistani Muslim men convert non-Muslim men and marry them to their own sisters?

Pakistan has a massive problem with forced conversions.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Its indian propaganda, i request mods to close this thread .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

One certain rule everyone must live by...
Indian news regarding Pakistan is utterly fake and largely biased and used as propaganda. It seems the locals and a few so called Pakistanis here lap it up with aplomb

Well it could well be the case is genuine and based on real events, but what sort of news site doesn't provide some sort of source for the quotes in the story? Is it run by the OP? Any reputable news site would always give the link for the source material so it could be referenced for validity.

 

[uberkoen]

People on here saying it's all Indian propaganda like this never happens in Pakistan. Forced conversions are a problem in our country that must be dealt with and turning a blind eye to the facts will not help the problem go away.

 

[IMMY69]

People on here saying it's all Indian propaganda like this never happens in Pakistan. Forced conversions are a problem in our country that must be dealt with and turning a blind eye to the facts will not help the problem go away.

Yes but it should be backed up by proper sources.

Start a thread by all means but to quote an article from a dubious source is unacceptable.

 

[Slog]

Its indian propaganda, i request mods to close this thread .

This news may or may not be true but to act as if this is not a regular occurrence is being disingenuous

 

[MenInG]

Its a source that we use for other new stories.

 

[Major]

The thread title can be changed to forced conversion

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

People on here saying it's all Indian propaganda like this never happens in Pakistan. Forced conversions are a problem in our country that must be dealt with and turning a blind eye to the facts will not help the problem go away.

I am happy to discuss it even though OP will avoid threads where similar stuff is posted about India. Nevertheless, it should be acknowledged, but the article is giving no link to where they are getting these quotes from which is totally unprofessional.

Are they saying they interviewed these people personally? I think it is probably lifted from a Pakistani news site, but they were too amateur to even credit the original source.

 

[Abdullah719]

I am happy to discuss it even though OP will avoid threads where similar stuff is posted about India. Nevertheless, it should be acknowledged, but the article is giving no link to where they are getting these quotes from which is totally unprofessional.

Are they saying they interviewed these people personally? I think it is probably lifted from a Pakistani news site, but they were too amateur to even credit the original source.

That seems to be the case. No Pakistani or non-Indian source has this news.

 

[Lonewarrior]

This news may or may not be true but to act as if this is not a regular occurrence is being disingenuous

you are right. but i just want to make a point that what our indian trolls do when its happend in india.
fake news, pakistani propaganda, anti-bjp, anti-modi, anti-india, BBC, al jazera, NYT, libtards, communist , congressi etc etc

 

[Syed1]

OP sahab disregards any news regarding India that appears on Pakistani media, but we are expected to believe anything that Indian media spews even though no local media house or newspaper has covered this story.



Mods should close this fake news thread, or atleast edit title.

 

[cric_man]

which is again related.

People forcefully start converting others because it is put their minds that converting others to islam is a good deed and you are helping out and also benefiting yourself in afterlife.

What is being taught is that meddling with peoples private affairs such as religious belief.

Now a person who listen to these qaris might think that forced conversion will make him look good aswell infront of God, hence they indulge in such things.

There is no compulsion in religion.
Al-Baqarah 256

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

One more point, if I am being particular that articles posted should have a valid source, I walk the walk when I post articles so I expect others to do the same. OP had the gall to question an article I posted from the Times UK, one of the world's most respected sources, yet here he is linking articles which can't even verify where the information has come from. Rank hypocrisy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

One more point, if I am being particular that articles posted should have a valid source, I walk the walk when I post articles so I expect others to do the same. OP had the gall to question an article I posted from the Times UK, one of the world's most respected sources, yet here he is linking articles which can't even verify where the information has come from. Rank hypocrisy.

Times UK posted a factually incorrect article. Every Indian knows that Modi didnot start the NRC, his govt doesnot control the process and he cannot stop it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If this is fake news than Pakistan govt must act on this and get the tweeter handle of the news agency that tweeted this suspended.

 

[Kriketer]

The thread title can be changed to forced conversion

Still going at it after being told by several posters here how you have lied, changed statements and make ridiculous claims to make a point. Take rest with this thing and don't spread nonsense.

 

[kk1992]

If this is fake news than Pakistan govt must act on this and get the tweeter handle of the news agency that tweeted this suspended.

Pak got bigger problem to deal with than address every stupid, made up, and fake news coming out of India.

 

[Major]

According to yahoo india this was reported by Naila Inayat

 

[sweep_shot]

After reading the story, I get the vibe that the girl voluntarily converted. It is possible that she was influenced/encouraged but it doesn't seem like it was forceful.

 

[King-Misbah]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] stop making fool of yourself, peacefully presenting your case and forcefully converting someone are totally two different things and no qari promote forced conversion.

Islam promotes dawaa and Major has totally lost it. Where I live in Pakistan, there are many Christians and they all are open to practise their beliefs.

 

[anand99]

These kind of incidents happen in India too all the time. Let's not get preachy. I have seen forced conversions happen in India too and nobody does anything to prevent it. It's a different story that Hinduism doesn't believe in conversions, but one thing hindus do often is look down on people who don't believe in all the rituals and craziness. I know a few in my family who somehow think they are superior because they are religious and folks like me are lost because we don't care for it.

 

[King-Misbah]

If this is fake news than Pakistan govt must act on this and get the tweeter handle of the news agency that tweeted this suspended.

Because Pakustan govt is so free to deal with fake Indian news.

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1170327405942194176?s=19


Verified handle of a pakistani journalist reported the matter two days back. It also has a video.

 

[Kriketer]

Because Pakustan govt is so free to deal with fake Indian news.

Pakistani govt hasn't responded against Indian claims of Pakistani tiddi (grasshopper) illegally entering India, and neither they have defended themselves against the claim of heat waves from Pakistan attacking India.

Indian media outlets are a joke

 

[MenInG]

https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1170327405942194176?s=19


Verified handle of a pakistani journalist reported the matter two days back. It also has a video.

How do we know she is Pakistani?

Also, have a look at all her tweets - do you see a pattern?

 

[ahsan17]

https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1170327405942194176?s=19


Verified handle of a pakistani journalist reported the matter two days back. It also has a video.

She seems like an Indian based on her tweets, writing style, and use of Hindi.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If this is fake news than Pakistan govt must act on this and get the tweeter handle of the news agency that tweeted this suspended.

Or maybe your crappy news websites should show some integrity and include some links to verify quotes they are publishing. It's standard procedure for genuine media outlets. Do us all a favour and don't post any more stories from such dubious sources.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Times UK posted a factually incorrect article. Every Indian knows that Modi didnot start the NRC, his govt doesnot control the process and he cannot stop it.

You can report any incorrect information posted by the Times. If they did so, you can get a retraction from the website and post it here, otherwise I am believing them over you to be quite frank.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You can report any incorrect information posted by the Times. If they did so, you can get a retraction from the website and post it here, otherwise I am believing them over you to be quite frank.

Times has no circulation in India. Infact to even read that article i have to buy their subscription.

Dont need to believe me. A google of the NRC procedure will tell you about it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

She seems like an Indian based on her tweets, writing style, and use of Hindi.

Google her please.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Times has no circulation in India. Infact to even read that article i have to buy their subscription.

Dont need to believe me. A google of the NRC procedure will tell you about it.

I am not interested in googling third world procedures, we have seen their standards from the article in the OP.

 

[IndianHero]

If a Hindu belonging to the SC category converts to Christianity, doesn't he lose his eligibility for reservation in colleges and government institutions? Are you seriously saying that the minority reservation that such a Christian receives will outweigh the benefits if he remained belonging to the Hindu Scheduled Caste.

In India you know how caste reservation works right ? For ex: If I am SC hindu , I will have a SC caste certificate. Now if I convert as Christian I will not give up my SC certificate. When I apply for all govt job applications, or contesting in elections in SC constituencies I will fill my nomination as hindu SC but will not reveal as christian. Infact it is almost impossible to prove me as christian in such cases. This is how practically it happens.

In 2014, 2019 elections in vizag district few christians even filed nominations (independent candidiates) in SC constituencies and will show SC certificate thats it !

Remember as constitution of India if a hindu SC converts to other religion he will become BC-C

 

[pillionrider]

In India you know how caste reservation works right ? For ex: If I am SC hindu , I will have a SC caste certificate. Now if I convert as Christian I will not give up my SC certificate. When I apply for all govt job applications, or contesting in elections in SC constituencies I will fill my nomination as hindu SC but will not reveal as christian. Infact it is almost impossible to prove me as christian in such cases. This is how practically it happens.

In 2014, 2019 elections in vizag district few christians even filed nominations (independent candidiates) in SC constituencies and will show SC certificate thats it !

Remember as constitution of India if a hindu SC converts to other religion he will become BC-C

So basically you're referring to a bunch of crooks looking for money while having the best of their earlier world. Not sure what relevance this had in a thread about forced conversion. The only people losing in the examples you posted are the missionaries who dole out the money. But they too will be making a packet from the actual sources usually based abroad who only care about numbers (of converts). It's a business.

 

[IndianHero]

So basically you're referring to a bunch of crooks looking for money while having the best of their earlier world. Not sure what relevance this had in a thread about forced conversion. The only people losing in the examples you posted are the missionaries who dole out the money. But they too will be making a packet from the actual sources usually based abroad who only care about numbers (of converts). It's a business.

Yes that is how missionaries target poor SC communities in rural areas in India. They pay them money upon conversion & these guyz retain their SC certificates.

Yes this thread is abt forced conversion & I m glad pakistani police took swift action , all I was referring is about bribed conversions which is bad too

 

[AdamM97]

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How do we know she is Pakistani?

Also, have a look at all her tweets - do you see a pattern?

This woman seems to be a huge Modi fan as well. Look at this.

https://www.dailyo.in/politics/indo...ervez-musharaff-hafiz-saeed/story/1/7148.html

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am not interested in googling third world procedures, we have seen their standards from the article in the OP.

You are nobody to determine anyone's standard but your own. And since the OP talked about an event in Pakistan, you determined the standard of that country.

India is not beholden to colonial journalism and is not answerable to them. Other countries surviving on bailouts and doleouts may be. India isnt.

We make our own laws, dont follow other's.

 

[PakLFC]

I want to hear it from independent sources. Indian media are a bunch of jokers who can never be taken seriously. Provide me a report from an impartial source.

 

[blackanhyellow]

https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/1170327405942194176?s=19


Verified handle of a pakistani journalist reported the matter two days back. It also has a video.

Never heard of her. Googled her name, and it shows that she is an author at The Print, lol.

And judging by her tweets, she likely is not even a real person. Looks like a paid troll playing a character.

Also, writing opinion pieces does not make one a journalist. You actually have to do, you know, journalism.

 

[uberkoen]

Yes but it should be backed up by proper sources.

Start a thread by all means but to quote an article from a dubious source is unacceptable.

I am happy to discuss it even though OP will avoid threads where similar stuff is posted about India. Nevertheless, it should be acknowledged, but the article is giving no link to where they are getting these quotes from which is totally unprofessional.

Are they saying they interviewed these people personally? I think it is probably lifted from a Pakistani news site, but they were too amateur to even credit the original source.

Makes sense.

 

[MenInG]

Poor stuff CJ -

The issue of forced conversions is one that afflicts both countries but to make points using dubious sources is not good

 

[cricketjoshila]

Poor stuff CJ -

The issue of forced conversions is one that afflicts both countries but to make points using dubious sources is not good

India Today is a very reputed source and has been used multiple times on PP.

 

[Kriketer]

You are nobody to determine anyone's standard but your own. And since the OP talked about an event in Pakistan, you determined the standard of that country.

India is not beholden to colonial journalism and is not answerable to them. Other countries surviving on bailouts and doleouts may be. India isnt.

We make our own laws, dont follow other's.

We know the standard of your journalism quite well, it's usually pathetic to say the least when it comes to reporting on Pakistan and gloating about India. It's pathetic to a point that it's comical.

And go easy on the Indian chest thumping that you folks love doing, doesn't suit a third world country which takes aid and where massive population is in dire need of daily necessities. Get off your high horse.

 

[IMMY69]

India Today is a very reputed source and has been used multiple times on PP.

I would expect this from someone who has been brainwashed by gutter government media propaganda.

One thing that has been categorically exposed is that the Indian population has been fed lies after lies about their neighbours and from some of the reaction here it seems they have been lapping it up.

Of course this is not to say that Pakistani media is any better but the ironic thing is that you harp on about minding your own business whereas Pakistan makes the Indian headlines a billion times more then India does in Pakistan.

 

[Lonewarrior]

India Today is a very reputed source and has been used multiple times on PP.

india today is reputed source but not BBC, aljazera, reuters etc ....

 

[kk1992]

India Today is a very reputed source and has been used multiple times on PP.

It begins with that word, how can any media be reputed source when it has that word?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are nobody to determine anyone's standard but your own. And since the OP talked about an event in Pakistan, you determined the standard of that country.

India is not beholden to colonial journalism and is not answerable to them. Other countries surviving on bailouts and doleouts may be. India isnt.

We make our own laws, dont follow other's.

I really have no idea what you said there, just seemed to be a jumble of words being thrown around in all directions. Let me make it simple for you: Articles about abuse should provide some source to verify the quotes therein. Especially if they are concerning a rival country which you consider an enemy.

We are not saying we want to brush abuse under a carpet, we just want to establish the facts so it can be addressed properly. No serious news source would make such accusations without providing some references.