Citizenship Amendment Bill: India's new 'anti-Muslim' law causes uproar

[Lonewarrior]

India's government has tabled a bill in parliament which offers amnesty to non-Muslim illegal immigrants from three neighbouring countries.

The controversial bill seeks to provide citizenship to religious minorities in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

The government, led by the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), says this will give sanctuary to people fleeing religious persecution.

Critics say the bill is part of a BJP agenda to marginalise Muslims.

There will be an exception for members of six religious minority communities - Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Parsi and Christian - if they can prove that they are from Pakistan, Afghanistan or Bangladesh. They will only have to live or work in India for six years to be eligible for citizenship by naturalisation, the process by which a non-citizen acquires the citizenship or nationality of that country.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50670393

Salute to Quaid .....

 

[andy0204]

Mark my words this country will never rise up.

 

[JaDed]

Mark my words this country will never rise up.

You think this bill is the reason it won’t rise up?

 

[andy0204]

You think this bill is the reason it won’t rise up?

Nope but there are more reasons.

 

[JaDed]

Nope but there are more reasons.

Which I agree.. India has habit of continually never living upto expectations maybe its us or our system, it seems before as well we were in similar situation and couldn’t hit the bulls eye during early 70s I guess we end up giving huge mandate to Idiots.

 

[andy0204]

Which I agree.. India has habit of continually never living upto expectations maybe its us or our system, it seems before as well we were in similar situation and couldn’t hit the bulls eye during early 70s I guess we end up giving huge mandate to Idiots.

Half of the blame goes to public as well because they are lazy a** and they want free ka maal.

 

[JaDed]

Half of the blame goes to public as well because they are lazy a** and they want free ka maal.

Yup.. as I said its “us” .. socialism and freebies culture is part of the system now..

 

[WebGuru]

I was wondering why Jinnah is trending in India from last 24 hours now i know why...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CAB is less than half the story. The real thing is CAB+NRC. Jinnah would’ve approved of this. He could even be smiling in his grave. Just that he is the father of another nation, not mine.</p>— Shekhar Gupta (@ShekharGupta) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShekharGupta/status/1203971902697435136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lekin mandir wahin banayenge. CAB is the triumph of Jinnah. Congratulations, <a href="https://twitter.com/AmitShah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AmitShah</a> - you achieved what the kathiawadi, Jinnah, could not. You proved ML right. <a href="https://t.co/3eT0BKcfi7">https://t.co/3eT0BKcfi7</a></p>— Salil Tripathi سلیل تریپاٹھی સલિલ ત્રિપાઠી (@saliltripathi) <a href="https://twitter.com/saliltripathi/status/1204046426185097216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Guys, can we get over Jinnah. We have a Modi to deal with.</p>— Rana Ayyub (@RanaAyyub) <a href="https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/1204046883154538498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Passage of Citizenship Bill will be a victory of Jinnah’s ideology over Gandhi’s, says Shashi Tharoor<a href="https://t.co/1TSw3E23tZ">https://t.co/1TSw3E23tZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/j8Hixu2w48">pic.twitter.com/j8Hixu2w48</a></p>— The Indian Express (@IndianExpress) <a href="https://twitter.com/IndianExpress/status/1203634973493776390?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/BJP4India?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BJP4India</a> is reviving Jinnah's two-nation theory, and trying to divide the nation on religious lines.<br>The proposed <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CitizenshipAmendmentBill?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CitizenshipAmendmentBill</a> is a violation of Article 14 and 21, and, if passed, will be disrespect towards the Gandhi and Ambedkar. - <a href="https://twitter.com/asadowaisi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@asadowaisi</a> <a href="https://t.co/YzYCTw23cO">pic.twitter.com/YzYCTw23cO</a></p>— AIMIM (@aimim_national) <a href="https://twitter.com/aimim_national/status/1202285440436293632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[WebGuru]

Looks like Pakistan and Jinnah are the benchmark
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As someone who constantly writes about Pakistan's bad treatment of its minority faiths, let me add something here: Pakistan doesn't have a constitutional clause that bars people of any faith from entering Pakistan or seeking asylum or residence in Pakistan. <a href="https://t.co/Ma671jThMe">https://t.co/Ma671jThMe</a></p>— Mehr Tarar (@MehrTarar) <a href="https://twitter.com/MehrTarar/status/1204074278251044864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[JaDed]

Tbf to BJP their leaders have shown love towards Mr. Jinnah multiple times from Advani to Jaswant.. so BJP loving Mr. Jinnah is nothing new as they do believe in two nations theory based on religion..

 

[WebGuru]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One can’t accuse GOI of turning India into a ‘Hindu Pakistan’ anymore. Pakistan’s recent efforts to open Kartarpur Corridor & restoration of Hindu temples indicates change of attitude towards minorities.</p>— Mehbooba Mufti (@MehboobaMufti) <a href="https://twitter.com/MehboobaMufti/status/1203934825884700672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[cricketjoshila]

Tbf to BJP their leaders have shown love towards Mr. Jinnah multiple times from Advani to Jaswant.. so BJP loving Mr. Jinnah is nothing new as they do believe in two nations theory based on religion..

Partition is the truth. There is no need to act as if the muslims of the subcontinent didnot demand and get a nation. Now that they have their nation and went there they have no right to comeback to India. Thats what this bill will achieve.

See nothing wrong in it.

 

[Sidilicious]

Partition is the truth. There is no need to act as if the muslims of the subcontinent didnot demand and get a nation. Now that they have their nation and went there they have no right to comeback to India. Thats what this bill will achieve.

See nothing wrong in it.

And the religious minorities in those countries chose to stay in those countries despite partition. So why should they be given preferential treatment now?

I am sorry, but the election of Modi in 2019 seems like the end of the pluralistic and tolerant India I grew up in. The muslims who remained behind in India like Maulana Azad, remained behind because they didn't believe in Jinnah's two nation theory. And now we are treating them like some second class citizens.

 

[JaDed]

Partition is the truth. There is no need to act as if the muslims of the subcontinent didnot demand and get a nation. Now that they have their nation and went there they have no right to comeback to India. Thats what this bill will achieve.

See nothing wrong in it.

I don’t understand why others are allowed then? Didn’t they choose to live in those countries as well?
And what about Indian Muslims who decided to stay back esp affluent ones ..

Also I don’t understand differentiation based on religion, , I wouldn’t trust a Pakistani Hindu as well , it might be very easy to prove discrimination there and spy on govn here..

Its a pointless political bill to take attention away from onion prices and economy.. not sure why you want to give in to this political issue, have you started to lose interest in actual issues of India over these frivolous ones just to support BJP with the disasters that are occurring? I’ m sure you are seeing the statements coming out of BJP camp wrt onions, automobile and GDP..

 

[kk1992]

And the religious minorities in those countries chose to stay in those countries despite partition. So why should they be given preferential treatment now?

I am sorry, but the election of Modi in 2019 seems like the end of the pluralistic and tolerant India I grew up in. The muslims who remained behind in India like Maulana Azad, remained behind because they didn't believe in Jinnah's two nation theory. And now we are treating them like some second class citizens.

LOL.

Modi's actions are exposing those posters who have for years wasted their life typing up, India is secular, Indian army would destroy Pakistan within a day, India will isolate Pakistan, India is this and that.

Either Modi is exposing these hypocrite or they were just naive and now have to change their narrative to continue to support their perverted ideology of RSS/BJP.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And the religious minorities in those countries chose to stay in those countries despite partition. So why should they be given preferential treatment now?

I am sorry, but the election of Modi in 2019 seems like the end of the pluralistic and tolerant India I grew up in. The muslims who remained behind in India like Maulana Azad, remained behind because they didn't believe in Jinnah's two nation theory. And now we are treating them like some second class citizens.

Did those religious minorities demand a separate nation? No. They just got stuck in a religious republic with second class status.

Pakistan was created for the muslims and India remained for everyone else.

And enough non Muslims were killed to achieve this.

Why should muslims from pakistan or BD be allowed back into India?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don’t understand why others are allowed then? Didn’t they choose to live in those countries as well?
And what about Indian Muslims who decided to stay back esp affluent ones ..

Also I don’t understand differentiation based on religion, , I wouldn’t trust a Pakistani Hindu as well , it might be very easy to prove discrimination there and spy on govn here..

Its a pointless political bill to take attention away from onion prices and economy.. not sure why you want to give in to this political issue, have you started to lose interest in actual issues of India over these frivolous ones just to support BJP with the disasters that are occurring? I’ m sure you are seeing the statements coming out of BJP camp wrt onions, automobile and GDP..

1. Did non muslims demand a nation? No.
Are they persecuted in a religious republic. Yes.

Thats why they are allowed.

2. Do you know of a hindu organization in pakistan that targets India with terrorism?

3. This bill doesn't affect Indian muslims.

4.Economic issues are there. Bjp has to address them if they have the intention of staying in power.

This was part of BJP manifesto.

Btw have you heard of Nehru Liaquat pact?

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL.

Modi's actions are exposing those posters who have for years wasted their life typing up, India is secular, Indian army would destroy Pakistan within a day, India will isolate Pakistan, India is this and that.

Either Modi is exposing these hypocrite or they were just naive and now have to change their narrative to continue to support their perverted ideology of RSS/BJP.

Secularism and all other rights apply to Indians only. Illegal foreigners have no such right.

This bill is for foreigners.

 

[WebGuru]

And enough non Muslims were killed to achieve this.

More Muslims got killed by non Muslims specially in Punjab when they were moving to Pakistan just to settle here leaving everything behind.

 

[Sidilicious]

Did those religious minorities demand a separate nation? No. They just got stuck in a religious republic with second class status.

Pakistan was created for the muslims and India remained for everyone else.

And enough non Muslims were killed to achieve this.

Why should muslims from pakistan or BD be allowed back into India?

India remained for every one, including those Muslims who wanted to remain in a pluralistic society. A lot of muslims even fought against Jinnah. What about those? What about those muslims who opposed Pakistan, but got stuck in Pakistan (Frontier Gandhi)? Muslims are not some homogenous entity.

Also, no one from Pakistan or BD should be allowed back to India, not just muslims. If they were so keen on coming to India, why didnt they do it during partition when everyone was doing so. We cannot be making laws banning a particular religion. Its just not the Indian way.

 

[kk1992]

Secularism and all other rights apply to Indians only. Illegal foreigners have no such right.

This bill is for foreigners.

Discriminating people based on religion in any form is not secularism.

Rather it shows the hate that has dominated and displayed plenty of times by Modi's RSS/BJP.

 

[Sidilicious]

More Muslims got killed by non Muslims specially in Punjab when they were moving to Pakistan just to settle here leaving everything behind.

Don't write nonsense. People from both sides were killed by savages like the other side. Neither side has any moral high ground to claim that the other was the problem.

 

[WebGuru]

Don't write nonsense. People from both sides were killed by savages like the other side. Neither side has any moral high ground to claim that the other was the problem.

I was only pointing out the fact because he mentioned enough non Muslims being killed while ignoring the sacrifices of Muslims.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India remained for every one, including those Muslims who wanted to remain in a pluralistic society. A lot of muslims even fought against Jinnah. What about those? What about those muslims who opposed Pakistan, but got stuck in Pakistan (Frontier Gandhi)? Muslims are not some homogenous entity.

Also, no one from Pakistan or BD should be allowed back to India, not just muslims. If they were so keen on coming to India, why didnt they do it during partition when everyone was doing so. We cannot be making laws banning a particular religion. Its just not the Indian way.

India remained for everyone else. Not everyone.

Those muslims who didnot want to go to pakistan stayed in India. They are Indians today.

Who decides the Indian way? The Indian way is that the religious minorities who are persecuted in pak and BD be given citizenship.

The city I live in and the place my grandfather came from in 1946, has seen enough of pluralism. I refuse to allow my next gen to face the same.

My state has been devastated by these illegal immigrants from BD.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Discriminating people based on religion in any form is not secularism.

Rather it shows the hate that has dominated and displayed plenty of times by Modi's RSS/BJP.

Indians are not discriminated.

But we dont give rights to foreign criminals.

 

[JaDed]

1. Did non muslims demand a nation? No.
Are they persecuted in a religious republic. Yes.

Thats why they are allowed.

2. Do you know of a hindu organization in pakistan that targets India with terrorism?

3. This bill doesn't affect Indian muslims.

4.Economic issues are there. Bjp has to address them if they have the intention of staying in power.

This was part of BJP manifesto.

Btw have you heard of Nehru Liaquat pact?

Don’t care about the past sorry, just because any organization doesn’t target how would you know if they would be rogue its a threat for my family if all they are allowed are on basis of proving religion and discrimination.. example- Khalistan issues as they allow Sikhs too..

Is BJP addressing economic issues and price rises which they were talking about in 2010-2013? Literally the same tweets can be used now..

BJP manifesto says 6% of GDP for public education are they going to achieve this by reducing GDP and then doing it?

So basically BJP is going to complete all their promises that are pro Hindu and ignore their development ones.. noice.

 

[cricketjoshila]

More Muslims got killed by non Muslims specially in Punjab when they were moving to Pakistan just to settle here leaving everything behind.

Still muslim population in India is 17% Whats the population of hindus in Pak and BD?

Secondly non muslims from India are not entering pakistan illegally by 1000s. Are they?

 

[WebGuru]

Still muslim population in India is 17% Whats the population of hindus in Pak and BD?

Secondly non muslims from India are not entering pakistan illegally by 1000s. Are they?

The reason Pakistan was formed and demanded based on these areas in North and half of Bengal was because Muslims were the majority here its not like half the population shifted to India or got killed. East Pakistan now known as Bangladesh had the most Hindus after the partition not West Pakistan so after 1971 obviously the numbers have gone down in Current Pakistan

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don’t care about the past sorry, just because any organization doesn’t target how would you know if they would be rogue its a threat for my family if all they are allowed are on basis of proving religion and discrimination.. example- Khalistan issues as they allow Sikhs too..

Is BJP addressing economic issues and price rises which they were talking about in 2010-2013? Literally the same tweets can be used now..

BJP manifesto says 6% of GDP for public education are they going to achieve this by reducing GDP and then doing it?

So basically BJP is going to complete all their promises that are pro Hindu and ignore their development ones.. noice.

1. You may not care, because may be you were not affected by the partition and since you dont live in India. My case is opposite.

2.Khalistan is a dead issue in punjab.

3. Bjp hasnot done a great job with the economy in last 3 quarters. They have a long way to go.

4. Is GDP reducing? Its still at 5 percent or so.

5. Road infrastructure, Ujjawala, health schemes, farmers and crop insurance, mudra loan's etc are hindu goals?

 

[kk1992]

Still muslim population in India is 17% Whats the population of hindus in Pak and BD?

Secondly non muslims from India are not entering pakistan illegally by 1000s. Are they?

LOL.

When everything fail then resort to repeated talking points, go on Arnab's show. lol

 

[WebGuru]

Still muslim population in India is 17% Whats the population of hindus in Pak and BD?

Secondly non muslims from India are not entering pakistan illegally by 1000s. Are they?

Muslims or non Muslims from Pakistan are also not entering India illegally in 1000s

 

[kk1992]

Indians are not discriminated.

But we dont give rights to foreign criminals.

lol, Indians are not discriminated.

Only elect Indian criminals.

waste of time.

 

[Waleed93]

It's sad to see some people defending this.

At the end of the day, these kind of decisions only depend on the leaders of the nations. Pakistan, who has been accused of bad treatment of minorities throughout it's history is now, under the leadership of Imran Khan, going on the right path with the opening of the Kartarpur Corridor, and his government is working on other aspects to give more rights to Pakistani minorities.

On the other hand, India is becoming a shadow of it's yesteryear's secular image, because of Modi's extremist ideology.

This topic just reflect the difference in quality between the two leaders.

 

[miandadrules]

Did those religious minorities demand a separate nation? No. They just got stuck in a religious republic with second class status.

Pakistan was created for the muslims and India remained for everyone else.

And enough non Muslims were killed to achieve this.

Why should muslims from pakistan or BD be allowed back into India?

Why should Muslims be allowed back? Probably, because their case would warrant it.

Or does basic humanity not spread to Muslims?

 

[miandadrules]

India remained for everyone else. Not everyone.

Those muslims who didnot want to go to pakistan stayed in India. They are Indians today.

Who decides the Indian way? The Indian way is that the religious minorities who are persecuted in pak and BD be given citizenship.

The city I live in and the place my grandfather came from in 1946, has seen enough of pluralism. I refuse to allow my next gen to face the same.

My state has been devastated by these illegal immigrants from BD.

Lovely, sprinkling of fascism there.

You’re a credit to your nation.

 

[miandadrules]

1. Did non muslims demand a nation? No.
Are they persecuted in a religious republic. Yes.

Thats why they are allowed.

2. Do you know of a hindu organization in pakistan that targets India with terrorism?

3. This bill doesn't affect Indian muslims.

4.Economic issues are there. Bjp has to address them if they have the intention of staying in power.

This was part of BJP manifesto.

Btw have you heard of Nehru Liaquat pact?

What about minority Muslim sects that are persecuted?

Does your prejudice stretch to seeing Muslims as a monolith?

 

[miandadrules]

Secularism and all other rights apply to Indians only. Illegal foreigners have no such right.

This bill is for foreigners.

Not much of a secular democracy then.

 

[JaDed]

1. You may not care, because may be you were not affected by the partition and since you dont live in India. My case is opposite.

2.Khalistan is a dead issue in punjab.

3. Bjp hasnot done a great job with the economy in last 3 quarters. They have a long way to go.

4. Is GDP reducing? Its still at 5 percent or so.

5. Road infrastructure, Ujjawala, health schemes, farmers and crop insurance, mudra loan's etc are hindu goals?

Are you affected by partition personally? No, my family was as I have mentioned here multiple times , our parents feeling heavy about is different because they went through it.

Khalistan might be a dead issue but why should I trust a Pakistani Sikh to not cause ruckus, similar to Canadian or UK ones.

GDP among lowest in South Asia ..

Road infrastructure? Are you saying there is massive improvement in it?

Everyone does things for farmers nothing new, insurance by forgiving 30k crore loans in UP?

 

[kaayal]

Onion, gdp, unemployment, Unnao and other rape cases, encounter shootings, Kashmir the list is endless and here we are still stuck on religion.

 

[JaDed]

Are you affected by partition personally? No, my family was as I have mentioned here multiple times , our parents feeling heavy about is different because they went through it.

Khalistan might be a dead issue but why should I trust a Pakistani Sikh to not cause ruckus, similar to Canadian or UK ones.

GDP among lowest in South Asia ..

Road infrastructure? Are you saying there is massive improvement in it?

Everyone does things for farmers nothing new, insurance by forgiving 30k crore loans in UP?

Gdp growth*

 

[Thomaskutty]

I agree with Shashi Tharoor.
Anybody who supports this CAB bill is more or less admitting his/her bias against those of the muslim faith. Maybe just be honest about it instead of rationalising it and spinning it umpteen ways.

 

[Kroll]

This is what you're gonna get after a thousand years of humiliation.

 

[Syed1]

Thank you Mr. Jinnah. We can never thank you enough.

 

[JaDed]

This is what you're gonna get after a thousand years of humiliation.

Humiliation of?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not much of a secular democracy then.

Constitution is still secular, as it promises that it wont discriminate based on religion ( and other things) but only to its citizens. so the secularism clause doesn't apply to non citizens or citizens who are declared non citizens by the impartial govt.

 

[m.shah]

Partition is the truth. There is no need to act as if the muslims of the subcontinent didnot demand and get a nation. Now that they have their nation and went there they have no right to comeback to India. Thats what this bill will achieve.

See nothing wrong in it.

It's not about Pakistan it's about minorities who are persecuted in other countries. Ok fair enough that muslims are not persecuted in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Or in Bangladesh. But muslims are butchered in China, Myanmar why is govt silent on that? Why don't allow muslims from these countries to get citizenship like other minorities.?

 

[CricketCartoons]

It's not about Pakistan it's about minorities who are persecuted in other countries. Ok fair enough that muslims are not persecuted in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Or in Bangladesh. But muslims are butchered in China, Myanmar why is govt silent on that? Why don't allow muslims from these countries to get citizenship like other minorities.?

If muslims voted for bjp, they would give citizenship to any muslim refugee. But since they do not, the bill has been worded so that it appears to favour persecuted minorities from neighbouring countries. The real reason is that bjp is disadvantaged by adding more muslims to the voting population.

 

[m.shah]

If muslims voted for bjp, they would give citizenship to any muslim refugee. But since they do not, the bill has been worded so that it appears to favour persecuted minorities from neighbouring countries. The real reason is that bjp is disadvantaged by adding more muslims to the voting population.

You hit the nail.. This is the exact reason why this bill is passed because muslims dont vote for bjp. Today Jinnah is proven dead right.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You hit the nail.. This is the exact reason why this bill is passed because muslims dont vote for bjp. Today Jinnah is proven dead right.

I think it is a disservice to Q-e-A that he gets validated everytime bjp does something. He had other visions as well, and Pakistanis should try to prove that right too instead of settling for the low bar.

 

[introvert]

Religion based discrimination can't be accepted. What if other Muslims also want to join india ?


What if Bangladesh doesn't accept this illegal immigrants? Where would this refugees go ?


Those minorities just like Muslims had option of joining india during partition but they refused it then why should they get special treatment now ?


I understand indian majorities sympathize with those minorities in other countries but it can't be one way street. They need to understand that just like hindus indian Muslim also sympathize with those expected vulnerable refugees.


They can't take decisions which only appease to majority of the country.


If india wants to bring those minorities then they must also keep illegal immigrants as well. Shifting them forcibly to refugee camps would be inhuman.


Basically the government is validating jinnah's two nation theory with this move & further tainting secular image of india.


Either keep all in or keep all out.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Muslims or non Muslims from Pakistan are also not entering India illegally in 1000s

Around 5000 hindus enter India every year from pakistan.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1105830

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why should Muslims be allowed back? Probably, because their case would warrant it.

Or does basic humanity not spread to Muslims?

Muslims of pakistan and BD wanted separate country. They got it whatever is their problem, they must solve it in their country only.

After the division of land and resources, its not our responsibility to take them back if they have problems.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not much of a secular democracy then.

Which part of rights not applying on illegal foreigners is not understandable?

 

[cricketjoshila]

What about minority Muslim sects that are persecuted?

Does your prejudice stretch to seeing Muslims as a monolith?

They should have considered this before asking for partition. For eg. Ahmadis were at the forefront of the partition movement. Read about it.

Not our problem. They wanted land. They got it. Now whatever problem you have, deal with it. You are a separate country. You have no rights in mine.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Are you affected by partition personally? No, my family was as I have mentioned here multiple times , our parents feeling heavy about is different because they went through it.

Khalistan might be a dead issue but why should I trust a Pakistani Sikh to not cause ruckus, similar to Canadian or UK ones.

GDP among lowest in South Asia ..

Road infrastructure? Are you saying there is massive improvement in it?

Everyone does things for farmers nothing new, insurance by forgiving 30k crore loans in UP?

1. Yes. I have mentioned several times that my grandfather migrated from east pakistan, then east bengal in 1946. Shortly after the direct action day riots.

2. Can you tell me how many pakistani sikhs have taken indian citizenship?

3. GDP growth rate. Its still ok at 5 per cent aynd economists expect it to bounce back from next quarter. Btw there is a global slow down.

And please mention the trillion dollar economy thats growing faster than India in south asia..

4. Massive massive improvement. Why i know it? Because we use it to transport goods to different ports.

5. This is denial, just for the sake of it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Onion, gdp, unemployment, Unnao and other rape cases, encounter shootings, Kashmir the list is endless and here we are still stuck on religion.

All of them are issues. So is this.

Tell me, the influx of bengali speaking migrants in kerala is not an issue?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thank you Mr. Jinnah. We can never thank you enough.

You are thanking Jinnah, while other pakistani posters here are whining why after this bill passes pakistani muslims cannot get citizenship in India under most circumstances?

So which one is the reality?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I agree with Shashi Tharoor.
Anybody who supports this CAB bill is more or less admitting his/her bias against those of the muslim faith. Maybe just be honest about it instead of rationalising it and spinning it umpteen ways.

This bill applies only to Pak BD and Afg. So if someone says that there is a bias against these countries, then past 72years and present says that the bias is justified.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's not about Pakistan it's about minorities who are persecuted in other countries. Ok fair enough that muslims are not persecuted in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Or in Bangladesh. But muslims are butchered in China, Myanmar why is govt silent on that? Why don't allow muslims from these countries to get citizenship like other minorities.?

This bill only applies to BD Afg and Pak. Not other nations.

 

[Bel_Homme]

Lol Amit Shah is absolutely relentless in parliament in passing these bills. Triple Talaq, Article 370, Ayodhya case victory and now Citizenship bill. It was one thing to deal with Modi but Amit Shah is a different breed all together.

 

[m.shah]

This bill only applies to BD Afg and Pak. Not other nations.

I know that and bill is passed because they are persecuted there similarly minorities are also persecuted in China and Myanmar but no offer for them .Hypocrisy died today lol...Those minorities living in Bangladesh and Pakistan had the option to join India at the time of partition but they decided to live there. Now why this special offer for them now?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I know that and bill is passed because they are persecuted there similarly minorities are also persecuted in China and Myanmar but no offer for them .Hypocrisy died today lol...Those minorities living in Bangladesh and Pakistan had the option to join India at the time of partition but they decided to live there. Now why this special offer for them now?

Can you tell me when did any non muslim in British India demanded a separate nation and if it was granted?

When we agreed to the demands of muslims for a separate nation, it became our responsibility to safeguard the right of non muslims in the lands that was given away to form the muslim nation.We have no such connection with China or Myanmar.

Can you please read the Nehru Liaqat pact and tell me if Pakistan or BD followed it?

This bill is as per the partition agreement and Nehru Liaquat pact.

What is your opinion on 100s of 1000s of Hindus who are living in Jammu without citizenship since 1948 when they migrated from Pakistan? Why was citizenship not granted to them citing Art 370.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We strongly condemn Indian Lok Sabha citizenship legislation which violates all norms of int human rights law & bilateral agreements with Pak. It is part of the RSS "Hindu Rashtra" design of expansionism propagated by the fascist Modi Govt. <a href="https://t.co/XkRdBiSp3G">https://t.co/XkRdBiSp3G</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1204279913869656064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Knight_Rider]

Those behind the partition are to be blamed for the polarisation of Indian society on the basis of religion (and marginalisation of our muslim brothers). Jinnah was just an actor recruited from abroad. Two nation theory was wrong and didn’t serve muslims well.

Religious identity is not necessarily people main identity in every circumstances and in many countries people of same ethnic/linguistic but different religious background co-exist in harmony.

 

[Captain caveman]

Those behind the partition are to be blamed for the polarisation of Indian society on the basis of religion (and marginalisation of our muslim brothers). Jinnah was just an actor recruited from abroad. Two nation theory was wrong and didn’t serve muslims well.

Religious identity is not necessarily people main identity in every circumstances and in many countries people of same ethnic/linguistic but different religious background co-exist in harmony.

You sir know nothing!
Muslims were discriminated much worse than they are now in ndia, before partition. We were on par of how the dalits are treated in india today.
Partition is the greatest thing to happen to muslims in india since the mughals reigned over india.
Do not insult the gteat Qadi Azam, you are too naive to understand his greatness.
We needed to split india 50/50, but that was not possible, thats the only reason muslims in india are suffering.
Though many of these muslim are suck ups to hindu extremist and would not think twice of putting a bullet in your head, if told to do so by their hindu extremist masters regardless of you being a muslim or not.

 

[Pakpak]

Those behind the partition are to be blamed for the polarisation of Indian society on the basis of religion (and marginalisation of our muslim brothers). Jinnah was just an actor recruited from abroad. Two nation theory was wrong and didn’t serve muslims well.

Religious identity is not necessarily people main identity in every circumstances and in many countries people of same ethnic/linguistic but different religious background co-exist in harmony.

Glad to see your, like many others before you, mask finally coming off.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India remained for everyone else. Not everyone.

Those muslims who didnot want to go to pakistan stayed in India. They are Indians today.

Who decides the Indian way? The Indian way is that the religious minorities who are persecuted in pak and BD be given citizenship.

The city I live in and the place my grandfather came from in 1946, has seen enough of pluralism. I refuse to allow my next gen to face the same.

My state has been devastated by these illegal immigrants from BD.

Honestly, we British feel exactly the same way about Indian immigrants, ostensibly the illegal ones, but not necessarily restricted to those alone. Many fine English cities have changed beyond recognition from immigration with pubs being replaced by mandirs, and cake and pastry shops being replaced by laddoo centres and sari shops. Sick of pluralism to the core.

 

[IMMY69]

Honestly, we British feel exactly the same way about Indian immigrants, ostensibly the illegal ones, but not necessarily restricted to those alone. Many fine English cities have changed beyond recognition from immigration with pubs being replaced by mandirs, and cake and pastry shops being replaced by laddoo centres and sari shops. Sick of pluralism to the core.

Loving the irony

 

[Hornbill]

Tbf to BJP their leaders have shown love towards Mr. Jinnah multiple times from Advani to Jaswant.. so BJP loving Mr. Jinnah is nothing new as they do believe in two nations theory based on religion..

So Bjp supporters also started thanking Jinnah publicly ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Honestly, we British feel exactly the same way about Indian immigrants, ostensibly the illegal ones, but not necessarily restricted to those alone. Many fine English cities have changed beyond recognition from immigration with pubs being replaced by mandirs, and cake and pastry shops being replaced by laddoo centres and sari shops. Sick of pluralism to the core.

You are free to complain to the British govt. That you feel that a community that numerically and economically ahead of yours and is not known to be involved in terrorist attacks in UK bothers you.

 

[Jin Chacha]

Can you tell me when did any non muslim in British India demanded a separate nation and if it was granted?

When we agreed to the demands of muslims for a separate nation, it became our responsibility to safeguard the right of non muslims in the lands that was given away to form the muslim nation.We have no such connection with China or Myanmar.


Can you please read the Nehru Liaqat pact and tell me if Pakistan or BD followed it?

This bill is as per the partition agreement and Nehru Liaquat pact.

What is your opinion on 100s of 1000s of Hindus who are living in Jammu without citizenship since 1948 when they migrated from Pakistan? Why was citizenship not granted to them citing Art 370.

An interesting comment. By the same logic do you think it also became the responsibility of Pakistan/Bangladesh to safeguard the rights of Muslims left behind in India?

 

[Bel_Homme]

It's not about Pakistan it's about minorities who are persecuted in other countries. Ok fair enough that muslims are not persecuted in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Or in Bangladesh. But muslims are butchered in China, Myanmar why is govt silent on that? Why don't allow muslims from these countries to get citizenship like other minorities.?

Think the logic that BJP has behind this is, there are many islamic countries in the world. So if muslims are butchered in certain countries like you mentioned, they can always claim refuge in some Arabic or muslim brotherhood countries. But hindus, Sikhs, Jains & Parsees have no where else to go. Hence India may willing to give them refuge.

Now you may argue, why Christians are allowed then...since there are so many Christian countries? The thing is, Indian christians are all (except anglos) are converts. Hence most Indian christian have a middle hindu name. Catholic countries will not give them refuge and may face racial prolification. Also, the fact that converted christians of India never asked for a seperate country like converted muslims did, this law is inclusive of them.

One thing I would want BJP to explicit about in this entire saga is that no refugee (hindus, Sikhs, christians, jains etc.) coming from neighbouring countries will ever get to serve in defence, military, security or any public life. They are free to get or do any private jobs. But just bcoz they are hindu migrants, we should not trust them immidiately and give them high profile jobs where countries security is at stake.

Lastly, lets be honest...BJP wants India to be a hindu nation. Twisting it would not change the fact that is their ultimate goal. They follow veer Savarkar whose only aim in life was to make India a hindu nation. But they need to be more vocal and clear about it without beating the bush.

 

[Hitman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NO country has the right to comment on an internal matter of India. For example, “It’s MY house & it’s MY choice whom I allow to come in.. YOUR opinion is not important, nor invited, nor welcome & definitely NOT your business! You worry about your own A**!!”</p>— Adnan Sami (@AdnanSamiLive) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdnanSamiLive/status/1204361709193838592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CABBill?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CABBill</a> is 4 religions tht r being persecuted in ‘Theocratic States’. Muslims r NOT persecuted 4 their religion in Pak, Afghanistan or Bangladesh cause they r in majority over thr. Muslims CAN still apply 4 Indian citizenship like b4. All r welcome thru d legal ‘Front Door’!</p>— Adnan Sami (@AdnanSamiLive) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdnanSamiLive/status/1204330631175393280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh! Then first go stand up against your bum-chum China & the genocide they are ruthlessly exercising on the Uyghur Muslims!! Don’t ever try selective ********!! <a href="https://t.co/NYiA1DdxcX">https://t.co/NYiA1DdxcX</a></p>— Adnan Sami (@AdnanSamiLive) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdnanSamiLive/status/1204382180090077184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=139386]Jin Chacha[/MENTION]

Are you telling me that Pakistan is offering any muslim who feels persecuted in India, pakistani citizenship? Because thats the only safeguard India is providing.

We gave your lands to form an Islamic nation, so we welcome you to share our land.

 

[cricketjoshila]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We strongly condemn Indian Lok Sabha citizenship legislation which violates all norms of int human rights law & bilateral agreements with Pak. It is part of the RSS "Hindu Rashtra" design of expansionism propagated by the fascist Modi Govt. <a href="https://t.co/XkRdBiSp3G">https://t.co/XkRdBiSp3G</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1204279913869656064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Lol. Which agreement says India has to give pakistanis citizenship in India?

Does he even think before tweeting?

 

[Mesozoic]

Honestly, we British feel exactly the same way about Indian immigrants, ostensibly the illegal ones, but not necessarily restricted to those alone. Many fine English cities have changed beyond recognition from immigration with pubs being replaced by mandirs, and cake and pastry shops being replaced by laddoo centres and sari shops. Sick of pluralism to the core.

Dear lord. The irony!!!!

 

[Hitman]

Dear lord. The irony!!!!

) Well picked.

 

[Lonewarrior]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NO country has the right to comment on an internal matter of India. For example, “It’s MY house & it’s MY choice whom I allow to come in.. YOUR opinion is not important, nor invited, nor welcome & definitely NOT your business! You worry about your own A**!!”</p>— Adnan Sami (@AdnanSamiLive) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdnanSamiLive/status/1204361709193838592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CABBill?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CABBill</a> is 4 religions tht r being persecuted in ‘Theocratic States’. Muslims r NOT persecuted 4 their religion in Pak, Afghanistan or Bangladesh cause they r in majority over thr. Muslims CAN still apply 4 Indian citizenship like b4. All r welcome thru d legal ‘Front Door’!</p>— Adnan Sami (@AdnanSamiLive) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdnanSamiLive/status/1204330631175393280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh! Then first go stand up against your bum-chum China & the genocide they are ruthlessly exercising on the Uyghur Muslims!! Don’t ever try selective ********!! <a href="https://t.co/NYiA1DdxcX">https://t.co/NYiA1DdxcX</a></p>— Adnan Sami (@AdnanSamiLive) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdnanSamiLive/status/1204382180090077184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

tell this to US ... )

Citizenship (Amendment) Bill 2019: Federal US commission seeks sanctions against home minister Amit Shah

WASHINGTON: Describing the Citizenship Amendment Bill as a "dangerous turn in the wrong direction", a federal US commission on international religious freedom has sought American sanctions against Home Minister Amit Shah and other principal Indian leadership if the bill with the "religious criterion" is passed by both houses of Parliament.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/citizenship-amendment-bill-2019-federal-us-commission-seeks-sanctions-against-home-minister-amit-shah/articleshow/72450329.cms

 

[Hitman]

tell this to US ... )

Citizenship (Amendment) Bill 2019: Federal US commission seeks sanctions against home minister Amit Shah





https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/citizenship-amendment-bill-2019-federal-us-commission-seeks-sanctions-against-home-minister-amit-shah/articleshow/72450329.cms

So has the sanctions been approved? )

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are free to complain to the British govt. That you feel that a community that numerically and economically ahead of yours and is not known to be involved in terrorist attacks in UK bothers you.

The British govt has already made it's feelings known to your own administration. We refused to increase immigration from your country despite your begging us to take them, because quite frankly, we wish Britain to retain it's cultural essence. You of all people should understand that considering I was replying to your post saying the same thing.

Indians who are numerically and economically well ahead should stay in India. Why are they coming to the UK if they are doing so well? Stay in India and help uplift your starving population.