Citizenship Amendment Bill: India's new 'anti-Muslim' law causes uproar

[Lonewarrior]

So has the sanctions been approved? )

ask from US .... LOL at Internal problem .... )

 

[kk1992]

Hindu Raj.

Today, Hindus of India has confirmed the fear that most Muslims had before partition of India.

In the midst of point scoring, mostly due to RSS/BJP supporters, people are forgetting that Hindus of India has marginalized one of the biggest minority in India.

By approving this law, Hindus have become the largest separatist group in India and in the world.

Incredible.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So has the sanctions been approved? )

USCRIF doesn't even get visas to visit India. They have not been granted a visa for more than a decade, since UPA times.

Thats the amount of importance they get.

They couldn't tell their president to not impose ban on immigrants from certain muslim countries, a ban the US supreme court upheld.

Few people are trying to clutch onto straws here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hindu Raj.

Today, Hindus of India has confirmed the fear that most Muslims had before partition of India.

In the midst of point scoring, mostly due to RSS/BJP supporters, people are forgetting that Hindus of India has marginalized one of the biggest minority in India.

By approving this law, Hindus have become the largest separatist group in India and in the world.

Incredible.

This law doesnot apply to Indians. It only applies to muslims from Pak BD and Afg.

 

[kk1992]

This law doesnot apply to Indians. It only applies to muslims from Pak BD and Afg.

Listen my big RSS/BJP supporter, we all know the law does not apply to Muslims of India.

Just because you repeat it over and over and over does not hide the racist, bigoted, and perverted believes and actions of RSS/BJP at display.

LOL

 

[cricketjoshila]

Listen my big RSS/BJP supporter, we all know the law does not apply to Muslims of India.

Just because you repeat it over and over and over does not hide the racist, bigoted, and perverted believes and actions of RSS/BJP at display.

LOL

Why are you so hurt? Why are pakistanis so hurt?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why are you so hurt? Why are pakistanis so hurt?

You said hurt twice. That indicates to me you might be hurt.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You said hurt twice. That indicates to me you might be hurt.

Why will i be hurt?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why will i be hurt?

Because you mentioned it out of nowhere, and quickly repeated it. Being hurt must have been present in your mind for you to bring it out.

 

[kk1992]

Why are you so hurt? Why are pakistanis so hurt?

At display when you can't defend racist, bigoted, and perverted believes and actions of RSS/BJP at display. Resort to ask questions like a teenager girl in middle school. Hurt? l

 

[cricketjoshila]

At display when you can't defend racist, bigoted, and perverted believes and actions of RSS/BJP at display. Resort to ask questions like a teenager girl in middle school. Hurt? l

Deciding which foreigners can enter India who cannot is not racist or bigoted. Its the right of a sovereign nation.

US not too long ago put a ban on people from certain muslim countries from coming to US. US supreme court upheld it.

And throwing insults at me shows your upbringing not mine.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because you mentioned it out of nowhere, and quickly repeated it. Being hurt must have been present in your mind for you to bring it out.

I am only asking why are pakistanis so bothered about this bill? Including the PM. Why are they so hurt?

Its a Indian law.

 

[kk1992]

Deciding which foreigners can enter India who cannot is not racist or bigoted. Its the right of a sovereign nation.

US not too long ago put a ban on people from certain muslim countries from coming to US. US supreme court upheld it.

And throwing insults at me shows your upbringing not mine.

LOL justifying your hidden support for bigoted, racist, and perverted ideology by comparing to US.

Both India and US have a right to be bigoted and racist.

Lets not get personal, you do not know me, i criticized your comment, which sounded like a teenager girl would say after when she can't defend.

 

[Pakpak]

Just a reminder that this fascist joshila is a doctor.

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

Hindu Raj.

Today, Hindus of India has confirmed the fear that most Muslims had before partition of India.

In the midst of point scoring, mostly due to RSS/BJP supporters, people are forgetting that Hindus of India has marginalized one of the biggest minority in India.

By approving this law, Hindus have become the largest separatist group in India and in the world.

Incredible.

Incredible Non-sense. Indeed.

First of all, this law is not approved (yet). It is passed by lower house only.

Second, it is not passed by Hindus. It is passed by Lower house of parliament. There is a big difference

Third, the proposed law does not discriminate against any legal citizen on India.

Fourth, I am pretty sure you know all this, but you are just fond of typing 'Racist, Fascist, RSS, Bigoted bla blah blah' many a times in a day. Dude, find some life.

 

[JaDed]

At display when you can't defend racist, bigoted, and perverted believes and actions of RSS/BJP at display. Resort to ask questions like a teenager girl in middle school. Hurt? l

Making the country Islamic republic and not allowing anyone except a Muslim to become PM is not bigoted or “racist” ?

Lets get one thing clear , Two nations were created based on direction of Muslim League, the Punjabi Muslims betrayed the Hindus and Sikhs inspite of having the same language and culture they chose to ignore that for religion.

There are lot of Indian Hindus fighting against this bill should show the difference, they will not celebrate this like you would the massacre that happened in Punjab.

 

[kk1992]

Incredible Non-sense. Indeed.

First of all, this law is not approved (yet). It is passed by lower house only.

Second, it is not passed by Hindus. It is passed by Lower house of parliament. There is a big difference

Third, the proposed law does not discriminate against any legal citizen on India.

Fourth, I am pretty sure you know all this, but you are just fond of typing 'Racist, Fascist, RSS, Bigoted bla blah blah' many a times in a day. Dude, find some life.

Brah and brah dude, what do you call a racist, bigoted, and perverted ideology, let me know what would RSS/BJP supporters would prefer and I'd call it that from now on.

 

[kk1992]

Making the country Islamic republic and not allowing anyone except a Muslim to become PM is not bigoted or “racist” ?

Lets get one thing clear , Two nations were created based on direction of Muslim League, the Punjabi Muslims betrayed the Hindus and Sikhs inspite of having the same language and culture they chose to ignore that for religion.

There are lot of Indian Hindus fighting against this bill should show the difference, they will not celebrate this like you would the massacre that happened in Punjab.

Off course it is, if Pakistan wants to be called a secular country then anyone and everyone should have a right to be come PM of Pakistan if elected.

 

[Bel_Homme]

tell this to US ... )

Citizenship (Amendment) Bill 2019: Federal US commission seeks sanctions against home minister Amit Shah





https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/citizenship-amendment-bill-2019-federal-us-commission-seeks-sanctions-against-home-minister-amit-shah/articleshow/72450329.cms

Hold on...so the same country whose president once said "I hereby ban all muslims entering into united states until we figure out what the hell is going on" is giving sanction to India for not accepting muslim migrants??

 

[Enlighten]

Humiliation of?

British Pakistani’s claim that they were part of the ruling elite who humilted hindu’s for thousands of years... first the claim is for their muslim heritage via mughals and than the second claim from them being British.

 

[kk1992]

Making the country Islamic republic and not allowing anyone except a Muslim to become PM is not bigoted or “racist” ?

Lets get one thing clear , Two nations were created based on direction of Muslim League, the Punjabi Muslims betrayed the Hindus and Sikhs inspite of having the same language and culture they chose to ignore that for religion.

There are lot of Indian Hindus fighting against this bill should show the difference, they will not celebrate this like you would the massacre that happened in Punjab.

I was not born to celebrate, not many celebrated partition, only thank full that many supported partition considering what is happening in India and will continue to happen, Hindus are becoming one of the largest separatist group in Indian and the world.

you must understand that a common person understand there are plenty of hindus who are against it but vast majority of hindus of India are for it.

 

[Bel_Homme]

Off course it is, if Pakistan wants to be called a secular country then anyone and everyone should have a right to be come PM of Pakistan if elected.

Think BJP dont accept India as a secular country. Secularism is a term included by Indira Gandhi in the 70s and BJP outrightly deny it. In a sense, BJP accepts Jinnah and its ideological father Savarkar's theory of 2 nation state. Pakistan for muslims and India for hindus. However, they never openly accepted it fearing backlash. But now with so much majority in parliament...they are slowly moving towards that direction and making it more explicit.

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

I was not born to celebrate, not many celebrated partition, only thank full that many supported partition considering what is happening in India and will continue to happen, Hindus are becoming one of the largest separatist group in Indian and the world.

you must understand that a common person understand there are plenty of hindus who are against it but vast majority of hindus of India are for it.

I must say that for a keyboard warrior you display an impressive sense of 'I Know all' attitude. Have you been to India and talked to people, or you have come to this conclusion on your armchair while your laptop still on your lap?

 

[IndianHero]

Many ppl here ignoring the fact that hindus from sri lanka who migrated in lakhs during the LTTE war 10 years are NOT included in this bill.

BJP has included only non-muslims from pakistan,afghanistan & bangladesh.

Asia bibi a christian from pakistan was arrested and later released in very tight security so such people are included in this bill as rightly so.

I don't find any wrong in this bill. Muslims from these 3 countries can't be included as they are majority in these 3 countries (pakistan,afghanistan & bangladesh).

 

[kk1992]

I must say that for a keyboard warrior you display an impressive sense of 'I Know all' attitude. Have you been to India and talked to people, or you have come to this conclusion on your armchair while your laptop still on your lap?

I am on my phone.

so which one is true, most Indians are against bigoted, racist and perverted bill that discriminate against one group of people because of their religion or are for it. Educate us please.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am only asking why are pakistanis so bothered about this bill? Including the PM. Why are they so hurt?

Its a Indian law.

So what if it's an Indian law? Are you saying that no one outside of India can discuss other countries business? I already corrected you that we British will always comment on worldwide issues. If that hurts you then I suggest you get a thicker skin. There is nothing personal here, if you don't want people discussing issues around the world then ask the Admin to close the forum down.

 

[Enlighten]

An interesting comment. By the same logic do you think it also became the responsibility of Pakistan/Bangladesh to safeguard the rights of Muslims left behind in India?

If the Indian muslims want to migrate to Pakistan or Bangladesh than they should be welcomed in Pak/ Bang... since those countries were made for Muslims.

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

Off course it is, if Pakistan wants to be called a secular country then anyone and everyone should have a right to be come PM of Pakistan if elected.

Brilliant Logic.

We can discriminant against minorities - because we are not secular.

We can deny the Hindus even the voting rights, but hey, we are not secular, so we are allowed to do anything.

We can not have any one but Muslim to be PM of my country, but this is not bigotry, this how we are made.

BUT, we can lecture India and call them fascist, bigoted and many other adjectives. Hey, let me go ahead and call them the 'biggest separatist group'.

Do you really thing you being 'not secular' is your umbrella shield and India being a secular country is our 'weakness'? Not anymore, I guess.

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

I am on my phone.

so which one is true, most Indians are against bigoted, racist and perverted bill that discriminate against one group of people because of their religion or are for it. Educate us please.

Who knows. Not my place to educate anyone. Anyway, good to see you have dialed down on you 'bigoted, racist etc etc' pitch - from Hindus to Indians.

 

[Enlighten]

Brilliant Logic.

We can discriminant against minorities - because we are not secular.

We can deny the Hindus even the voting rights, but hey, we are not secular, so we are allowed to do anything.

We can not have any one but Muslim to be PM of my country, but this is not bigotry, this how we are made.

BUT, we can lecture India and call them fascist, bigoted and many other adjectives. Hey, let me go ahead and call them the 'biggest separatist group'.

Do you really thing you being 'not secular' is your umbrella shield and India being a secular country is our 'weakness'? Not anymore, I guess.

Brilliant post.

It’s like Indian muslims and their outrage any time there is talk about uniform civil laws.

 

[kk1992]

Brilliant Logic.

We can discriminant against minorities - because we are not secular.

We can deny the Hindus even the voting rights, but hey, we are not secular, so we are allowed to do anything.

We can not have any one but Muslim to be PM of my country, but this is not bigotry, this how we are made.

BUT, we can lecture India and call them fascist, bigoted and many other adjectives. Hey, let me go ahead and call them the 'biggest separatist group'.

Do you really thing you being 'not secular' is your umbrella shield and India being a secular country is our 'weakness'? Not anymore, I guess.

LOL.

could you quote me where I have said that? I'll be waiting. You are trying to read into something that was not written. why?

Try to read my comment again. lol

 

[kk1992]

Who knows. Not my place to educate anyone. Anyway, good to see you have dialed down on you 'bigoted, racist etc etc' pitch - from Hindus to Indians.

RSS/BJP ideology is built on perverted version of hinduism.

 

[kk1992]

Brilliant Logic.

We can discriminant against minorities - because we are not secular.

We can deny the Hindus even the voting rights, but hey, we are not secular, so we are allowed to do anything.

We can not have any one but Muslim to be PM of my country, but this is not bigotry, this how we are made.

BUT, we can lecture India and call them fascist, bigoted and many other adjectives. Hey, let me go ahead and call them the 'biggest separatist group'.

Do you really thing you being 'not secular' is your umbrella shield and India being a secular country is our 'weakness'? Not anymore, I guess.

and yea, i did call Indian, particulalry Hindus to become one of the biggest separatist group of India and the world.

Congrates on finally achieving that.

What was that quote said multiples times by multiple Indian politicians and supported by many Indian, "Muslims have many muslims countries, Hindus of the world only has India", a text book example.

lol

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

RIP secularism. It was nice having you. You won't be missed because you underperfomed anyway.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Brilliant Logic.

We can discriminant against minorities - because we are not secular.

We can deny the Hindus even the voting rights, but hey, we are not secular, so we are allowed to do anything.

We can not have any one but Muslim to be PM of my country, but this is not bigotry, this how we are made.

BUT, we can lecture India and call them fascist, bigoted and many other adjectives. Hey, let me go ahead and call them the 'biggest separatist group'.

Do you really thing you being 'not secular' is your umbrella shield and India being a secular country is our 'weakness'? Not anymore, I guess.

Well you might not like it, but it is logic. If you call yourself secular then you should display secular credentials. If you call yourself a religious republic you will be judged according to those principles.

Different ideologies are obviously going to have different way of seeing things. When India goes all in and becomes a Hindu rashtra, then will be much less easy for those opposing in India itself to argue.

 

[CricketCartoons]

RIP secularism. It was nice having you. You won't be missed because you underperfomed anyway.

This is how secularism was defined in the constitution. Glad that you just came to know about it. Read article 14 under Fundamental Rights.

 

[Mesozoic]

My brothers having yet another epic meltdown on a matter which has got nothing to do with them.

 

[Jin Chacha]

[MENTION=139386]Jin Chacha[/MENTION]

Are you telling me that Pakistan is offering any muslim who feels persecuted in India, pakistani citizenship? Because thats the only safeguard India is providing.

We gave your lands to form an Islamic nation, so we welcome you to share our land.

If the Indian muslims want to migrate to Pakistan or Bangladesh than they should be welcomed in Pak/ Bang... since those countries were made for Muslims.

Fair enough. Though implicit in this argument is the assumption that as Pakistan/Bangladesh were made for muslims, by implication India was for non-muslims. The former is true, the latter (at least I hope) is not.

 

[Technics 1210]

tell this to US ... )

Citizenship (Amendment) Bill 2019: Federal US commission seeks sanctions against home minister Amit Shah





https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/citizenship-amendment-bill-2019-federal-us-commission-seeks-sanctions-against-home-minister-amit-shah/articleshow/72450329.cms

Looks like Modi is on course to be banned for the second time from entering the USA, only this time he'll ensure RSS/BJP are added to the banned list too! )

 

[kk1992]

My brothers having yet another epic meltdown on a matter which has got nothing to do with them.

I believe it is other way around if you read it.

Trying to defend indefendible would be epic meltdown.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistanis: we are so lucky to have the islamic republic and separate from India.

Also Pakistanis: why is India not giving citizenship to muslims from Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I believe it is other way around if you read it.

Trying to defend indefendible would be epic meltdown.

Signing up under new usernames to tell Pakistanis to mind their own business...that is kind of funny.

 

[pillionrider]

Modi will reduce this country to penury. The scale and cost of implementing this across the nation is gonna destroy what he and Shah couldn't finish off with demonetization.

Once everyone are beggars, they can set fire to the country and restore the days of the Manusmriti.

Poor Modi-Shah will become second-class citizens by then in their retirement homes - guess that's one thing to feel happy about during those dark times.

Many ppl here ignoring the fact that hindus from sri lanka who migrated in lakhs during the LTTE war 10 years are NOT included in this bill.

lol Stop acting naive. Everyone knows that you are a Hindu only if you vote for the BJP. Tamilians have repeatedly given Mr Vanakkam a chappal reception, so no point increasing their voting numbers.

Asia bibi a christian from pakistan was arrested and later released in very tight security so such people are included in this bill as rightly so.

Why should we care about a Christian or Hindu from Pakistan. India is not that big or grand enough to be some kind of neighborhood dada. First take care of your own miserable people before trying to become some third rate Gujju area don.

 

[Mesozoic]

I believe it is other way around if you read it.

Trying to defend indefendible would be epic meltdown.

You can believe whatever you want.

Out of all things that are indefendible , this one is the most defendable one.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistanis: we are so lucky to have the islamic republic and separate from India.

Also Pakistanis: why is India not giving citizenship to muslims from Pakistan.

Indians: we are proudly a secular democracy (heads nodding in affirmation).

Also Indians: All refugees from Islamic countries are welcome....except Muslims. Long live the separation of state and religion in the holy land of Bharat.

 

[kk1992]

You can believe whatever you want.

Out of all things that are indefendible , this one is the most defendable one.

True, everyone is entitled to believe whatever they wish to, for example, RSS/BJP believe and implementation of making Hindus of India the largest separatist group of India and the world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Fair enough. Though implicit in this argument is the assumption that as Pakistan/Bangladesh were made for muslims, by implication India was for non-muslims. The former is true, the latter (at least I hope) is not.

Those muslims who stayed back here are as Indian as anyone.

We welcome the non muslims because of the reason stated already.

But we certainly cant be taking in muslims after they demanded a separate nation and got it. What ws the use of the bloody partition then.

 

[pillionrider]

Indians: we are proudly a secular democracy (heads nodding in affirmation).

Also Indians: All refugees from Islamic countries are welcome....except Muslims. Long live the separation of state and religion in the holy land of Bharat.

lol you sound especially upset with a few others here.

You had once said you might one day turn up as my neighbour. Seems like you meant it

 

[Mesozoic]

True, everyone is entitled to believe whatever they wish to, for example, RSS/BJP believe and implementation of making Hindus of India the largest separatist group of India and the world.

Separatist group?

Kehna kya chahte ho bhai ?

 

[kk1992]

Separatist group?

Kehna kya chahte ho bhai ?

A common definition of separatism is that it is the advocacy of a state of cultural, ethnic, tribal, religious, racial, governmental or gender separation from the larger group. While it often refers to full political secession, separatist groups may seek nothing more than greater autonomy.

RSS/BJP, Muslims have plenty of Muslim countries to go to, Hindu has only India.

 

[Mesozoic]

A common definition of separatism is that it is the advocacy of a state of cultural, ethnic, tribal, religious, racial, governmental or gender separation from the larger group. While it often refers to full political secession, separatist groups may seek nothing more than greater autonomy.

RSS/BJP, Muslims have plenty of Muslim countries to go to, Hindu has only India.

Did that even make sense to you ?

Where in all that have you made it clear how Hindus are some "separatist group" ?

 

[Enlighten]

Indians: we are proudly a secular democracy (heads nodding in affirmation).

Also Indians: All refugees from Islamic countries are welcome....except Muslims. Long live the separation of state and religion in the holy land of Bharat.

It clearly says Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan..don’t try to paint it as anti-islamic county thing.
I’m glad India is not following the western secularism. I hear there is a lot of talk about ban on head scarf and burqa in these secular countries. Laws being implemented to stop people displaying their religion in public.

By the way people are free to wear whatever in India and put the loudspeaker on whatever time.

 

[IndianHero]

Modi will reduce this country to penury.

Why should we care about a Christian or Hindu from Pakistan. India is not that big or grand enough to be some kind of neighborhood dada. First take care of your own miserable people before trying to become some third rate Gujju area don.

so wat shuld India do to all those non-muslims migrants living in refugee camps since many years in India ?

Either we should make them as indians or send them to their country of origin. But here in this case they feel threatened to go back to their country of origin & their countries of origin r not willing to accept as well in some cases.. so v should make them indians as that's the only choice left.

 

[kk1992]

Did that even make sense to you ?

Where in all that have you made it clear how Hindus are some "separatist group" ?

Hindu trying to separate themselves from the largest minority in India by indirectly marginalizing them while banning Muslims from the rest of the world.

not that difficult to comprehend.

 

[Technics 1210]

It clearly says Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan..don’t try to paint it as anti-islamic county thing.
I’m glad India is not following the western secularism. I hear there is a lot of talk about ban on head scarf and burqa in these secular countries. Laws being implemented to stop people displaying their religion in public.

By the way people are free to wear whatever in India and put the loudspeaker on whatever time.

Western secularism? ) That's a good one!

Secularism is the separation of religion and the state. It means the same in the West, as it does in the East.

Secularism is not the assimilation of various religions, the world for that is pluralism.

 

[kaayal]

Those muslims who stayed back here are as Indian as anyone.

We welcome the non muslims because of the reason stated already.

But we certainly cant be taking in muslims after they demanded a separate nation and got it. What ws the use of the bloody partition then.

I can understand if you are talking this on humanitarian grounds but your lack of empathy for anything related to Muslim and dismissing any concerns of Indian muslims is astounding. We didn’t ask for partition then why giving our land for foreigners?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It clearly says Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan..don’t try to paint it as anti-islamic county thing.
I’m glad India is not following the western secularism. I hear there is a lot of talk about ban on head scarf and burqa in these secular countries. Laws being implemented to stop people displaying their religion in public.

By the way people are free to wear whatever in India and put the loudspeaker on whatever time.

So banning Muslim refugees only from those countries is not anti-Islamic? Gotcha.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So banning Muslim refugees only from those countries is not anti-Islamic? Gotcha.

Allowing muslim refugees in india is actually anti muslim, as india is not a great place to be a muslim. BJP is being pro muslim by keeping away muslims from these neighbouring countries.

 

[Jin Chacha]

Those muslims who stayed back here are as Indian as anyone.

We welcome the non muslims because of the reason stated already.

But we certainly cant be taking in muslims after they demanded a separate nation and got it. What ws the use of the bloody partition then.

The muslims demanded partition argument can hold for Pakistan and Bangladesh but not for Afghanistan so there must be another reason for giving citizenship to non-muslim Afghans.

Anyway, the crux of the argument seems to be that India is for all non-muslims of the sub-continent but only for muslims who are Indian by birth.

 

[Enlighten]

So banning Muslim refugees only from those countries is not anti-Islamic? Gotcha.

Apologies in advance if anything i say is wrong, i dbut just trying to put a point across.

This is an argument often used by some.
That there are verses in Quran which lead to some people being able to incite violence, brain washing and well organizations like ISIS and Other terror outfits.

What would you say to such people?
Personally i would say you need to look at these verses under what context it was said. Doesn’t necessarily means it’s inciting violence.

You need stop only focusing on the muslim word and look at the context.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I can understand if you are talking this on humanitarian grounds but your lack of empathy for anything related to Muslim and dismissing any concerns of Indian muslims is astounding. We didn’t ask for partition then why giving our land for foreigners?

I am not dismissing any concerns of Indian muslims, they like all other Indians have their legitimate concerns. But this is something that isnt anti Indian muslim.

The non muslims in Pakistan and BD didn't ask for partition either. Their land was given for an islamic nation. Then when they were persecuted, Nehru instead of of welcoming them into India, signed the Nehru Liaquat pact. Pakistan never implemented it.



So now it falls on us to give these people asylum if they so want.

 

[pillionrider]

But we certainly cant be taking in muslims after they demanded a separate nation and got it. What ws the use of the bloody partition then.

I'm not interested in an over-strained largely poor country like India taking in immigrants irrespective of religion.

However your claim along with others from your party that Muslims demanded partition is selective. You forget that your self-proclaimed 'veer' Savarkar asked for two nations too. Perhaps even predating Jinnah.

'Veer' Savarkar lol. All it took were a couple of blows, for him to go groveling back to the British.

 

[pillionrider]

so wat shuld India do to all those non-muslims migrants living in refugee camps since many years in India ?

Either we should make them as indians or send them to their country of origin. But here in this case they feel threatened to go back to their country of origin & their countries of origin r not willing to accept as well in some cases.. so v should make them indians as that's the only choice left.

I was talking more about the future where non-Muslims are being welcomed from three countries.

 

[Redchilly007]

This whole situation is a result of badly executed partition. If the partition was done properly : all Hindus shifting to India and all Muslims shifting to Pakistan, things would have been different. I am not a fan of two nation theory however the fact is that if u are doing partition on basis of it u cannot implement it for one nation only, it has to be implemented completely. Hindus were cheated by Congress, they agreed on demand to gave Muslims a separate land but failed to create a nation which gives Hindu identity a proud existence. It's like dividing a pie between two people where one is allowed to eat his part completely but the second person will still have share his side of pie with brother of the first person.
If the partition was implemented correctly India would have seen less cases of riots and terrorism.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm not interested in an over-strained largely poor country like India taking in immigrants irrespective of religion.

However your claim along with others from your party that Muslims demanded partition is selective. You forget that your self-proclaimed 'veer' Savarkar asked for two nations too. Perhaps even predating Jinnah.

'Veer' Savarkar lol. All it took were a couple of blows, for him to go groveling back to the British.

My party? Which party is that?

The demand of Two nations started with Sir Syed Ahmed khan.

Savarkar served 10 years in kalapaani. How many years did Nehru serve in a proper jail?

 

[CricketCartoons]

I'm not interested in an over-strained largely poor country like India taking in immigrants irrespective of religion.

However your claim along with others from your party that Muslims demanded partition is selective. You forget that your self-proclaimed 'veer' Savarkar asked for two nations too. Perhaps even predating Jinnah.

'Veer' Savarkar lol. All it took were a couple of blows, for him to go groveling back to the British.

Indians have been brainwashed to think that anyone who asked for two nation was a villain. And if not for these leaders, india would have been a happily ever after muslim hindu fairy tale.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

There should be caveats. Persecuted ahmeddiyas , Shias or minority Muslim sects should atleast be given refugee status imo .

 

[IMMY69]

Here’s a question.
If Pakistan and Bangladesh were not created what proportion of India in 2019 would be Muslim?

 

[kk1992]

There should be caveats. Persecuted ahmeddiyas , Shias or minority Muslim sects should atleast be given refugee status imo .

Agree.

But for RSS/BJP, person of any sect of Islam is a Muslim.

I wonder how does Indian Muslims feel about this? i am sure it has some kind of psychological impact on them knowing vast majority of Hindus have chosen a government who would do anything to marginalize muslims of India to show false sense of superiority and out of ingrained hate from over hundred of years.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Honestly, we British feel exactly the same way about Indian immigrants, ostensibly the illegal ones, but not necessarily restricted to those alone. Many fine English cities have changed beyond recognition from immigration with pubs being replaced by mandirs, and cake and pastry shops being replaced by laddoo centres and sari shops. Sick of pluralism to the core.

Oh I don't know Capt, not sure which Britain you are talking from, maybe you are typing from a place called Britain in Pakistan?, you dont sound much like a proper Brit these days , I heard there is a more of an Islamic problem in Britain than an Indian migration one..

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[Cpt. Rishwat]

Apologies in advance if anything i say is wrong, i dbut just trying to put a point across.

This is an argument often used by some.
That there are verses in Quran which lead to some people being able to incite violence, brain washing and well organizations like ISIS and Other terror outfits.

What would you say to such people?
Personally i would say you need to look at these verses under what context it was said. Doesn’t necessarily means it’s inciting violence.

You need stop only focusing on the muslim word and look at the context.

Hmmm...if you are looking at verses in the Quran as being the problem, then surely even resident Indian Muslims present the majority Hindus a dilemma. Immigrants are the least of your problem.

 

[Romali_rotti]

[MENTION=149353]Joshila[/MENTION],

Kerala has a big Bangladeshi problem, a lot of them come there to find job, only issue is that jobs they are doing are, robbery, murder, kidnapping etc.... My god we need to get rid of these Bangladeshi ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Oh I don't know Capt, not sure which Britain you are talking from, maybe you are typing from a place called Britain in Pakistan?, you dont sound much like a proper Brit these days , I heard there is a more of an Islamic problem in Britain than an Indian migration one..

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Are you insane? That video just proves my point. Lots of foreigners walking around in total disregard for British cultural norms and fashion. Do you have any doubt that streets of Southall or Wembley will look equally foreign? Do you really want me to release the videos? Well...do you?

 

[cricketjoshila]

There should be caveats. Persecuted ahmeddiyas , Shias or minority Muslim sects should atleast be given refugee status imo .

Ahmadiyas were at the forefront of the partition movement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Agree.

But for RSS/BJP, person of any sect of Islam is a Muslim.

I wonder how does Indian Muslims feel about this? i am sure it has some kind of psychological impact on them knowing vast majority of Hindus have chosen a government who would do anything to marginalize muslims of India to show false sense of superiority and out of ingrained hate from over hundred of years.

1. Shia Muslims are bjp voters.

2. This law doesnot affect any Indian muslim.

 

[kk1992]

1. Shia Muslims are bjp voters.

2. This law doesnot affect any Indian muslim.

Read before typing up memorized repeated talking points.

 

[KB]

I was wondering why Jinnah is trending in India from last 24 hours now i know why...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CAB is less than half the story. The real thing is CAB+NRC. Jinnah would’ve approved of this. He could even be smiling in his grave. Just that he is the father of another nation, not mine.</p>— Shekhar Gupta (@ShekharGupta) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShekharGupta/status/1203971902697435136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lekin mandir wahin banayenge. CAB is the triumph of Jinnah. Congratulations, <a href="https://twitter.com/AmitShah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AmitShah</a> - you achieved what the kathiawadi, Jinnah, could not. You proved ML right. <a href="https://t.co/3eT0BKcfi7">https://t.co/3eT0BKcfi7</a></p>— Salil Tripathi سلیل تریپاٹھی સલિલ ત્રિપાઠી (@saliltripathi) <a href="https://twitter.com/saliltripathi/status/1204046426185097216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Guys, can we get over Jinnah. We have a Modi to deal with.</p>— Rana Ayyub (@RanaAyyub) <a href="https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/1204046883154538498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Passage of Citizenship Bill will be a victory of Jinnah’s ideology over Gandhi’s, says Shashi Tharoor<a href="https://t.co/1TSw3E23tZ">https://t.co/1TSw3E23tZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/j8Hixu2w48">pic.twitter.com/j8Hixu2w48</a></p>— The Indian Express (@IndianExpress) <a href="https://twitter.com/IndianExpress/status/1203634973493776390?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/BJP4India?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BJP4India</a> is reviving Jinnah's two-nation theory, and trying to divide the nation on religious lines.<br>The proposed <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CitizenshipAmendmentBill?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CitizenshipAmendmentBill</a> is a violation of Article 14 and 21, and, if passed, will be disrespect towards the Gandhi and Ambedkar. - <a href="https://twitter.com/asadowaisi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@asadowaisi</a> <a href="https://t.co/YzYCTw23cO">pic.twitter.com/YzYCTw23cO</a></p>— AIMIM (@aimim_national) <a href="https://twitter.com/aimim_national/status/1202285440436293632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Indian liberal commentary on the CAB has been replete with references to Jinnah. Implicit in their analysis, is the tendency to see the Congress and the Muslim League in the pre-partition period in binary terms: one representing a secular ideology, the other as the preeminent example of religious communalism. In actual fact the lines were far more blurred than this simple binary would suggest. Rather than looking to Jinnah and Muslim League, Indian liberals might be better probing the lineages of Hindu nationalism.

From the perspective of history, whilst the institutionalisation of Hindu nationalism may have taken shape in such organisations as the Arya Samaj, the RSS and the Hindu Mahasabha, the Congress in fact was also associated with a ‘softer’ form of Hindu nationalism. This becomes clearer when we shift our gaze away from the all-India centre to the arena of local politics, often the sphere where the real stuff of politics was played out.

We are indebted here to the work of historian William Gould, who has powerfully demonstrated the association of Congress with Hindu nationalism in the province of UP in the years between 1930 and 1947. Gould shows, firstly, how Hindu holy men associated with the Congress intermeshed the language of nationalism with that of religion. He shows, secondly, that festivals and temples, laced with religious meaning, were often the arenas where nationalism was espoused. Thirdly, he points to the pervasive use of religious symbols, and indeed religious figures, in mobilising the masses. Fourthly, he looks at how Hindu ideas of sin and pollution were used in ways, which marginalised Muslims.

In the UP, the Congress frequently depicted a sense of cultural identity that showed a kinship with the ideas being propounded by Hindu nationalists, namely the ‘ideals of a golden age’ being the ‘Vedic era’, ‘the deep-rooted heroism of present-day leaders’ as depicted ‘through references form the Gita and Ramayana,’ the absolute ‘need to regain the purity of India’s ‘ancient civilisation’ and dispose of the ‘corrupting influence of Christianity [and] Islam’. India the motherland was frequently equated with Bharat Mata by UP leaders.

There were also institutional overlaps between the Congress in the UP and those institutions associated with a more ‘hardline’ form of Hindu nationalism - the Mahasabha and most particularly the Arya Samaj in the 1930s. ‘Samaj meetings frequently acted as areas for Congress mobilisation and propaganda.’ ‘The concentration of the UP Congress on volunteer activity and the physical and intellectual training of Indian youth formed’ yet another link between the two institutions. Even when in 1938 it was prohibited to hold Congress Committee membership along with similar affiliation with communal organisations, informal associations continued. Particularly important was Maheshwar Dayal Seth, who between 1940 and 1945 ‘provided a continual link between the Congress and Hindu Sabhas’.

This is of course not to efface the very real differences between a ‘soft’ form of Hindu nationalism and the ‘harder’ form and it also not to suggest that this was the only tendency at display at the level of local politics. But it is to suggest that the binary construction between a secular Congress and a communal Muslim League lacks nuance. It is also to suggest that there are continuities that are often overlooked by Indian liberals.

‘The continued significance of a religious idiom in politics from the 1920s to the millennium across institutions, from the BJP to the Congress’ states Gould, 'provides us with a fundamental, if subtle, clue to the persistence of Hindu nationalism in the politics of India.’

 

[Redchilly007]

Here’s a question.
If Pakistan and Bangladesh were not created what proportion of India in 2019 would be Muslim?

Going by aggressive growth rate 50 to 60 %.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Going by aggressive growth rate 50 to 60 %.

U really think a hindu majority india in 1947 would've allowed for muslims to get to majority? Even Nehru government wouldn't have allowed that and heck there would've been civil wars.
It's for the betterment of everyone that Pakistan and Bangladesh were created.

 

[kk1992]

Question to tolerant and moderate Hindus.

How does it feel Indian being taken over by repressive, racist, bigoted ideology? I’m sure ordinary Muslims of Indian would be scared to criticize but how does one feel to see that your nation is repressing at alarming rate by the hands of ignorant radicalized religious extremists?