CJP assures right to vote for overseas Pakistanis in next elections!

[Mian]

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2018/03/05/cjp-assures-right-to-vote-for-overseas-pakistanis/

ISLAMABAD: Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Mian Saqib Nisar on Monday assured that the overseas Pakistanis will be allowed to cast their votes in the upcoming elections.

Hearing a case related to dual citizenship of judges and civil servants, CJP remarked that it is about time to allow overseas Pakistanis to be part of the elections process.

He said, “Overseas Pakistanis have exercised enough patience.”

“We will provide them with the right to cast votes,” he vowed.

In January 2018, Supreme Court (SC) had accepted 16 petitions regarding overseas Pakistanis’ right to vote in the elections.

 

[Mian]

Great news IK and PTI have been asking for it from many years!

 

[Varun]

More power to Imran Khan.

 

[Syed1]

Inshallah it'll happen. Obviously it won't go down well with certain Noora lovers on here. Let me remind them that the country they are currently residing in allows their overseas citizens to participate in general elections. Just because you live abroad you don't stop being Pakistani.

 

[Slog]

Inshallah it'll happen. Obviously it won't go down well with certain Noora lovers on here. Let me remind them that the country they are currently residing in allows their overseas citizens to participate in general elections. Just because you live abroad you don't stop being Pakistani.

It should be allowed for Pakistani citizens or dual citizens (like you)

But some people say it should be allowed for any person of Pakistan origin which would be a joke. You should have spent some time in the country atleast than a few months every other summer

 

[Syed1]

It should be allowed for Pakistani citizens or dual citizens (like you)

But some people say it should be allowed for any person of Pakistan origin which would be a joke. You should have spent some time in the country atleast than a few months every other summer

Obviously not... I think they will only allow people with NIC/NICOP

 

[Mian]

It should be allowed for Pakistani citizens or dual citizens (like you)

But some people say it should be allowed for any person of Pakistan origin which would be a joke. You should have spent some time in the country atleast than a few months every other summer

They are only going to allow those with overseas card.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Obviously not... I think they will only allow people with NIC/NICOP

So having a NICOP will allow one to vote?

Even if they haven't lived in Pakistan for there whole life?

 

[Syed1]

So having a NICOP will allow one to vote?

Even if they haven't lived in Pakistan for there whole life?

You cannot get a NICOP if you haven't lived as far as I know. You need to have a permanent address in Pakistan. I could be wrong though.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

You cannot get a NICOP if you haven't lived as far as I know. You need to have a permanent address in Pakistan. I could be wrong though.

You can, for example, we haven't lived in Pakistan. We still have a permanent address there because of our grandparents and so forth. All of us siblings got our NICOPs through our parents.

I wonder if that would allow us to vote?

 

[DeadBall]

You cannot get a NICOP if you haven't lived as far as I know. You need to have a permanent address in Pakistan. I could be wrong though.

You can. I know many people who have never been to Pakistan but have a permanent address there (along with the family tree, etc) get a NICOP. It's not that they need the NICOP to travel to Pakistan specifically but they are required to have a NICOP to apply for a passport so that they could travel elsewhere.

 

[DeadBall]

You can, for example, we haven't lived in Pakistan. We still have a permanent address there because of our grandparents and so forth. All of us siblings got our NICOPs through our parents.

I wonder if that would allow us to vote?

If you have a NICOP you would be eligible to vote as I doubt they would carry out the tedious, time, energy and resource consuming task of finding out who has and has not been to Pakistan.

 

[Syed1]

You can. I know many people who have never been to Pakistan but have a permanent address there (along with the family tree, etc) get a NICOP. It's not that they need the NICOP to travel to Pakistan specifically but they are required to have a NICOP to apply for a passport so that they could travel elsewhere.

That's such a stupid rule? So if someone's five generations have been born and lived abroad can still get NICOP?

 

[Mian]

Maybe they will allow only those who were born in Pakistan and moved later? What's the criteria in other countries for overseas voters? what about india?

 

[Syed1]

Maybe they will allow only those who were born in Pakistan and moved later? What's the criteria in other countries for overseas voters? what about india?

I think in India if you become a citizen of another country you give up your Indian citizenship and may lose your voting rights.

 

[DeadBall]

That's such a stupid rule? So if someone's five generations have been born and lived abroad can still get NICOP?

Yes because it is a requirement for obtaining the passport. Most people I know actually found applying for a NICOP a unnecessary time and money consuming nuisance.

 

[DeadBall]

Maybe they will allow only those who were born in Pakistan and moved later? What's the criteria in other countries for overseas voters? what about india?

That's would be a very long, complicated and quite frankly impractical solution. Is there a database on who has lived in Pakistan and then moved out. What would the other criteria be? What if someone wasn't born in Pakistan but visits frequently. Is there a database on that? Its quite an impossible task.

 

[Mian]

That's would be a very long, complicated and quite frankly impractical solution. Is there a database on who has lived in Pakistan and then moved out. What would the other criteria be? What if someone wasn't born in Pakistan but visits frequently. Is there a database on that? Its quite an impossible task.

I think when you get your NICOP at that time Nadra do enter your place of birth in their database after verification? Whats the use of ultra advance Nadra's huge database (as they always promote it) if we can't use it.

 

[Syed1]

I think when you get your NICOP at that time Nadra do enter your place of birth in their database after verification? Whats the use of ultra advance Nadra's huge database (as they always promote it) if we can't use it.

Well as evident from this thread they are dishing out NICOPs as if they are gulab jamuns on Eid. They need to have stricter NICOP rules and then we won't even be having this discussion. I distinctly remember when I was getting my NICOP made I had to present my NIC and the rule for securing the NIC, IIRC, was that you or your parents had to be born in Pakistan and living permanently there.

 

[Mian]

Ok just did a quick google search and it looks like in India there is a long process involved to register and thats the reason only 24000 overseas citizens have registered as voters while million of indians are living/moved aboard so it didn't help much

 

[DeadBall]

I think when you get your NICOP at that time Nadra do enter your place of birth in their database after verification? Whats the use of ultra advance Nadra's huge database (as they always promote it) if we can't use it.

Yeah a lot of overseas Pakistanis are born outside of Pakistan especially the newer generations. But what if a person is born out of Pakistan but visits Pakistan regularly. How would you determine who is qualified to vote? Someone who has visited 3 times, 4 times etc? How long they have stayed each time? There are many variables to this and once we go down that slippery slope there is no knowing where it might end up.

 

[gkb101277867]

I'm all for overseas pakistanis voting as long as they actually are Pakistanis though. But that's the problem as in the UK (don't know about other countries) most people have had these NICOP cards made for their non-pakistani children/grandchildren just so that they don't have to apply for visas in order to go to Pakistan.

Take me for example. I'm British but my mum had that NICOP card made for me. I don't know too much about Pakistani politics or Pakistan in general to be fair. I've been to Pakistan twice in my whole 26 years of life for 3 weeks each time. I feel people like me shouldn't have the right to vote in Pakistani elections as it's unfair to the Pakistani public. It's a bizarre rule. Pakistan has messed up with the NICOP. I have cousins who have never been to Pakistan even once whose parents have made them this card. And yes the cards to require a permanent Pakistani address but everyone just puts their relatives address on it. In my case it's my mamoo's address.

To summarise, I wouldn't be very happy if a citizen of another country who has never been to the UK could vote in the UK elections. And so with the same reasoning I don't believe someone like me should be allowed to vote in the Pakistani elections. At the same time though actual overseas Pakistanis who have lived in Pakistan before moving to the UK deserve the right to vote.

 

[Syed1]

I'm all for overseas pakistanis voting as long as they actually are Pakistanis though. But that's the problem as in the UK (don't know about other countries) most people have had these NICOP cards made for their non-pakistani children/grandchildren just so that they don't have to apply for visas in order to go to Pakistan.

Take me for example. I'm British but my mum had that NICOP card made for me. I don't know too much about Pakistani politics or Pakistan in general to be fair. I've been to Pakistan twice in my whole 26 years of life for 3 weeks each time. I feel people like me shouldn't have the right to vote in Pakistani elections as it's unfair to the Pakistani public. It's a bizarre rule. Pakistan has messed up with the NICOP. I have cousins who have never been to Pakistan even once whose parents have made them this card. And yes the cards to require a permanent Pakistani address but everyone just puts their relatives address on it. In my case it's my mamoo's address.

To summarise, I wouldn't be very happy if a citizen of another country who has never been to the UK could vote in the UK elections. And so with the same reasoning I don't believe someone like me should be allowed to vote in the Pakistani elections. At the same time though actual overseas Pakistanis who have lived in Pakistan before moving to the UK deserve the right to vote.

Do your parents have NIC?


To obtain a NICOP you need to present a NIC for yourself and for your children under 18. If you are above 18 you need to present your own NIC. So I'm guessing your parents got your NICOPs made when you were under 18.


Now since you do not have a NIC you won't be able to get NICOPs for your children and the cycle ends there.

 

[gkb101277867]

My dad was born in Britain like myself but my mum was born in Pakistan and moved to the UK to marry my dad in her 20s. Me, my dad, my cousins, my aunties etc who were all born in Britain have this NICOP card. Well I guess my mum must have had the card made for me before I was 18 then if what you're saying is correct. The last time I went to Pakistan I was 16 and I remember I had to apply for a visa at that time so I definitely didn't have a NICOP at that point. I did ask my mum about it and she basically said that she got it made for me because everyone else ( aunties and uncles etc) were getting them made for their kids and it would mean that I wouldn't need to go through the hassle of getting a visa to visit Pakistan.

 

[gkb101277867]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] that last comment was meant for you but I forgot to quote you bro

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Do your parents have NIC?


To obtain a NICOP you need to present a NIC for yourself and for your children under 18. If you are above 18 you need to present your own NIC. So I'm guessing your parents got your NICOPs made when you were under 18.


Now since you do not have a NIC you won't be able to get NICOPs for your children and the cycle ends there.

I don't think so, I never had a NIC, but my wife is from Pakistan. Maybe that's why we will be able to make a NICOP for the little ones.

Also, I've heard it's good to have a NICOP because of family property and so forth.

Visa is such a ripoff. $200.00 for 5 years vs. a NICOP which is $105.00 for 10 years. We tend to go to Pakistan every couple years.

 

[DeadBall]

I don't think so, I never had a NIC, but my wife is from Pakistan. Maybe that's why we will be able to make a NICOP for the little ones.

Also, I've heard it's good to have a NICOP because of family property and so forth.

Visa is such a ripoff. $200.00 for 5 years vs. a NICOP which is $105.00 for 10 years. We tend to go to Pakistan every couple years.

Also Visa means you are a foreigner visiting while with the NICOP you will be a national returning home.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The joys of dual nationality!

 

[KingKhanWC]

I'm all for overseas pakistanis voting as long as they actually are Pakistanis though. But that's the problem as in the UK (don't know about other countries) most people have had these NICOP cards made for their non-pakistani children/grandchildren just so that they don't have to apply for visas in order to go to Pakistan.

Take me for example. I'm British but my mum had that NICOP card made for me. I don't know too much about Pakistani politics or Pakistan in general to be fair. I've been to Pakistan twice in my whole 26 years of life for 3 weeks each time. I feel people like me shouldn't have the right to vote in Pakistani elections as it's unfair to the Pakistani public. It's a bizarre rule. Pakistan has messed up with the NICOP. I have cousins who have never been to Pakistan even once whose parents have made them this card. And yes the cards to require a permanent Pakistani address but everyone just puts their relatives address on it. In my case it's my mamoo's address.

To summarise, I wouldn't be very happy if a citizen of another country who has never been to the UK could vote in the UK elections. And so with the same reasoning I don't believe someone like me should be allowed to vote in the Pakistani elections. At the same time though actual overseas Pakistanis who have lived in Pakistan before moving to the UK deserve the right to vote.

I've never lived in Pakistan. The longest I visit for is 2 weeks but I hold I can vote and will vote for PTI.

I have investments in Pakistan , I should be able to vote and help get rid of corrupt parties as this will directly impact me. I dont see an issue here.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

I've never lived in Pakistan. The longest I visit for is 2 weeks but I hold I can vote and will vote for PTI.

I have investments in Pakistan , I should be able to vote and help get rid of corrupt parties as this will directly impact me. I dont see an issue here.

I concur with this. I don't live in Pakistan but as you said the elections there still affect us.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Ok just did a quick google search and it looks like in India there is a long process involved to register and thats the reason only 24000 overseas citizens have registered as voters while million of indians are living/moved aboard so it didn't help much

An Indian domicile abroad with a nationality other than Indian is not allowed to vote in India since India does not recognise dual nationality - this is according to the Indian constitution this loses the right to vote. The 24000 you are referring to are Indian passport holders living abroad.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I'm all for overseas pakistanis voting as long as they actually are Pakistanis though. But that's the problem as in the UK (don't know about other countries) most people have had these NICOP cards made for their non-pakistani children/grandchildren just so that they don't have to apply for visas in order to go to Pakistan.

Take me for example. I'm British but my mum had that NICOP card made for me. I don't know too much about Pakistani politics or Pakistan in general to be fair. I've been to Pakistan twice in my whole 26 years of life for 3 weeks each time. I feel people like me shouldn't have the right to vote in Pakistani elections as it's unfair to the Pakistani public. It's a bizarre rule. Pakistan has messed up with the NICOP. I have cousins who have never been to Pakistan even once whose parents have made them this card. And yes the cards to require a permanent Pakistani address but everyone just puts their relatives address on it. In my case it's my mamoo's address.

To summarise, I wouldn't be very happy if a citizen of another country who has never been to the UK could vote in the UK elections. And so with the same reasoning I don't believe someone like me should be allowed to vote in the Pakistani elections. At the same time though actual overseas Pakistanis who have lived in Pakistan before moving to the UK deserve the right to vote.

It is an interesting perspective. Every British Pakistani I know of has visited Pakistan, has a vested interested in Pakistan, and not just a one off, but frequently. I get what you are saying but the reverse is true when a UK national (non Pakistani) lives/born abroad can still claim benefits and pensions from the UK.

Also, you don’t need to know politics, to know who Imran Khan is.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Maybe they will allow only those who were born in Pakistan and moved later? What's the criteria in other countries for overseas voters? what about india?

Indian Govt doesnt allow OCI holders to vote. Only Citizens of India allowed to vote

 

[CanadianG00se]

I think in India if you become a citizen of another country you give up your Indian citizenship and may lose your voting rights.

You're right. Once an Indian becomes citizen of other nation, he/she no longer is Indian. OCI can be acquired but that doesnt allow voting.

 

[DeadBall]

Certain champions of Pakistan can't bear the water shortages, load shedding, pollution for even two weeks before running back to the UK and then lecture actual Pakistanis who have lived their for years for criticizing Pakistan. Can't make this stuff up.

 

[DeadBall]

Also voting for PTI because they want to protect their "investments" there. Such patriotism.
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

 

[KingKhanWC]

Certain champions of Pakistan can't bear the water shortages, load shedding, pollution for even two weeks before running back to the UK and then lecture actual Pakistanis who have lived their for years for criticizing Pakistan. Can't make this stuff up.

We(Brits) are not used to corruption and incompetence but I;ve never experienced water shortage there has been plenty of water available. Load shedding also hasn't been a big problem, there are things called generators. Pollution is in the cities but I mostly go to Islamabad or the village so no issue there. I might live there in future but at the moment do not wish too but I have vested interests in the nation so have a right to vote for future governments.

 

[Pakistanian]

You cannot get a NICOP if you haven't lived as far as I know. You need to have a permanent address in Pakistan. I could be wrong though.

Lol not true, I got one by putting down my grandparents address most of my cousins did the same

 

[Pakistanian]

Indian Govt doesnt allow OCI holders to vote. Only Citizens of India allowed to vote

There's a big difference though. Pakistan allows dual nationality so a NICOP is evidence of Pakistani citizenship while an Origin card of Pakistan is for non citizens who have Pakistani origins such as at least one parent or grandparent.

 

[Pakistanian]

That's such a stupid rule? So if someone's five generations have been born and lived abroad can still get NICOP?

No, you can get an origin card though. Nicop is for people with dual nationality while the origin card is for people with origins from Pakistan but don't have citizenship.

 

[Syed1]

Lol not true, I got one by putting down my grandparents address most of my cousins did the same

That sucks.... the last thing we need is people like you voting.

 

[Pakistanian]

That sucks.... the last thing we need is people like you voting.

You're welcome.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So are you a Brit or a Pakistani? typical identity crisis. I also have a Niderlassungserlaubnis (Permanent Residence permit) which I have actually earned with my qualifications and hard work instead of just winning the lotto of being born in a specific country.

So you are a typical burger bacha who hasn't faced water shortages, load shedding, pollution, criticizing actual Pakistanis who have actually lived in Pakistan (for more than 2 weeks) and want to vote for the betterment of Pakistan and not just to protect their "investments". It's alright I understand your identity crisis.

Also the Asylum seeker thing is getting old as I have actual investments here so that I don't have to go to Pakistan for 2 weeks (maximum) and vote for PTI just so that I can sleep better at night. I even doubt they are your personal investments and are probably just Mummy Daddy hand downs.

I have no intentions of going back to Pakistan and if I do vote, I will vote for PTI because it will help Pakistan and its people and not just because I have investments there.

I'm a British Pakistani.

I'm no burger kid, my father didn't move to the UK because he wanted to see the white cliffs of Dover. We have worked hard and now are comfortable. Some of been handed down others were initative based but the point here anyone who has interests in Pakistan as a nation doing better in all areas and holds dual nationality is allowed to vote and should vote.

You might as well sell them if you have no intentions of going back. I suppose if you have left for those reasons, they you can't go back. Pakistan will never become a secular atheist nation, so perhaps visit India for you holiday?

 

[DeadBall]

No, you can get an origin card though. Nicop is for people with dual nationality while the origin card is for people with origins from Pakistan but don't have citizenship.

Nicop isn't for people with dual nationality. If you are an overseas Pakistani who wants to be issued a passport and if you do NOT have a NIC then you have to make a Nicop (Unless you are under 18 and can use a form B). I don't know whats so hard to understand about this.

 

[babajee]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] who should I vote for?

 

[DeadBall]

I'm a British Pakistani.

I'm no burger kid, my father didn't move to the UK because he wanted to see the white cliffs of Dover. We have worked hard and now are comfortable. Some of been handed down others were initative based but the point here anyone who has interests in Pakistan as a nation doing better in all areas and holds dual nationality is allowed to vote and should vote.

You might as well sell them if you have no intentions of going back. I suppose if you have left for those reasons, they you can't go back. Pakistan will never become a secular atheist nation, so perhaps visit India for you holiday?

It's come to the point that I don't even get offended anymore. Just feel bad for you now.

Ghar ka naa Ghaat ka is a very apt misaal at this point.

 

[DeadBall]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] who should I vote for?

Allah Reham (No IK pun intended) karay.

 

[Syed1]

Nicop isn't for people with dual nationality. If you are an overseas Pakistani who wants to be issued a passport and if you do NOT have a NIC then you have to make a Nicop (Unless you are under 18 and can use a form B). I don't know whats so hard to understand about this.

I have both NIC and NICOP and both valid at the same time. There is no added benefit of a NICOP over a NIC.

 

[JaDed]

Dual citizenship never made sense to me personally and Its amazing how people who got new nationality are allowed to vote patriotically for an older one.

 

[babajee]

I have both NIC and NICOP and both valid at the same time. There is no added benefit of a NICOP over a NIC.

I have just NICOP and no NIC. Is there any added benefit of a NIC over NICOP?

 

[DeadBall]

I have both NIC and NICOP and both valid at the same time. There is no added benefit of a NICOP over a NIC.

I did not say anything about benefits. I said if you are an overseas Pakistani applying for the first time for a passport then you will be issued a NICOP. I too have both a NIC and NICOP as I had a NIC made in Pakistan (but I lost it because I didn't care much for it here) but had to apply for a NICOP from Germany to renew my passport. The service was unexpectedly professional though, unlike the 6 hour wait at Nadra, which I did for day 1 and then just found a connection to whom I paid 3000 to jump the line, felt really bad for poor people who could not "grease" the system, although I did help a maasi who had been coming there everyday at 4 am for 3 weeks and still hadn't made it inside.

Anyway I got my NICOP in just a week and my passport in just 8 days. It's something that's unheard of and the stuff of folklore. If only they could apply the same level of efficiency in Pakistan.

 

[DeadBall]

I have just NICOP and no NIC. Is there any added benefit of a NIC over NICOP?

Can't you even read the post you're quoting? NIC is National identity Card and Nicop is the same with overseas Pakistanis added at the end. There is no difference.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I'm happy with my NADRA.

 

[Waseem]

Lots of discussion here but i don't see it happening, won't be surprised if elections are announced this month within 90 days which is nearly not enough time to setup system to allow overseas Pakistanis to vote.

I don't think it's happening!

 

[babajee]

Can't you even read the post you're quoting? NIC is National identity Card and Nicop is the same with overseas Pakistanis added at the end. There is no difference.

Why does Syed bhai have 2 cards

 

[R3verse Swing]

Here's the thing. Pakistan is not the only country that allows it's dual nationals/citizens abroad to vote in the election. UK, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, to name but a few, allow the same.

So rather than attack the privilege to vote overseas, concentrate on the benefits.

 

[hussain.r97]

Great news, but will this really play into the hands of PTI or not remains to be seen. I think it all depends on how difficult they make it to register. If it's a simple process, we shouldn't forget that overseas Pakistanis does not just mean Pakistanis in the west. Overseas Pakistanis includes those Pakistanis living in the middle east.

 

[hussain.r97]

Lots of discussion here but i don't see it happening, won't be surprised if elections are announced this month within 90 days which is nearly not enough time to setup system to allow overseas Pakistanis to vote.

I don't think it's happening!

Wasn't this announced almost 2 months ago? Surely they have already started working on it.

 

[DeadBall]

Why does Syed bhai have 2 cards

No idea, if you have the CNIC and if it isn't expired or lost then you can use it. No need to apply for a NICOP and even if you do then the other should become invalid.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's come to the point that I don't even get offended anymore. Just feel bad for you now.

Ghar ka naa Ghaat ka is a very apt misaal at this point.

What does this mean?

Dont feel sorry for me, I can go to Pakistan tomorrow if I like. I hope one day you can do the same but it's good you're voting for PTI.

 

[DeadBall]

No idea, if you have the CNIC and if it isn't expired or lost then you can use it. No need to apply for a NICOP and even if you do then the other should become invalid.

Also if you lost/misplaced your CNIC and made a NICOP but found your CNIC again, even though it says that it is still valid on the card, the latest version (NICOP) would hold precedence.

 

[hussain.r97]

I wonder if I can vote from Auckland? Or will I have to travel to the Pakistani High Commission in Wellington?

 

[Waseem]

Wasn't this announced almost 2 months ago? Surely they have already started working on it.

Well that was if ECP was an independent institution but most ruling parties won't gain much from overseas voters otherwise ECP would've already initiated the process.

As for your other question, i am quite sure if somehow they manage to set this up you will need to go to Wellington as we will need to go to Canberra.

 

[DeadBall]

What does this mean?

Dont feel sorry for me, I can go to Pakistan tomorrow if I like. I hope one day you can do the same but it's good you're voting for PTI.

It means neither belonging to your ghar (home) nor belonging to the ghat (an area near the water), which basically means neither here nor there. An old saying.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It means neither belonging to your ghar (home) nor belonging to the ghat (an area near the water), which basically means neither here nor there. An old saying.

It's a pretty dumb saying , no wonder you used it.

Try this a better English saying.

'Home is where the heart is'.

It can be in more than one place.

 

[Pakistanian]

I wonder if I can vote from Auckland? Or will I have to travel to the Pakistani High Commission in Wellington?

Do they have consulate in auckland? We have one in houston.

 

[DeadBall]

It's a pretty dumb saying , no wonder you used it.

Try this a better English saying.

'Home is where the heart is'.

It can be in more than one place.

Even better, should be "Home is where your investments are".

 

[DeadBall]

I wonder if I can vote from Auckland? Or will I have to travel to the Pakistani High Commission in Wellington?

I think the whole point is to be able to vote online and surprisingly we have a very good online system. My wife is half Romanian and when she wants to vote in the Romanian elections we have to go to the Romanian embassy in Munich. They didn't develop their online system that much as most of them are within the EU and their corruption levels are probably even worse than ours. Our Pakistani online system is way better in comparison.

 

[hussain.r97]

Do they have consulate in auckland? We have one in houston.

No, which is extremely inconvenient because the vast majority of Pakistanis live in the Auckland and Hamilton area, there are very few living in Wellington.

 

[Pakistanian]

No, which is extremely inconvenient because the vast majority of Pakistanis live in the Auckland and Hamilton area, there are very few living in Wellington.

Oh, can y'all file a petition to open a consulate?

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

I have both NIC and NICOP and both valid at the same time. There is no added benefit of a NICOP over a NIC.

So I am presuming you hold a Passport additional to the Pakistani one as well?

 

[Slog]

Also voting for PTI because they want to protect their "investments" there. Such patriotism.
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

lolol

I should have right to vote in 3 countries then

 

[Mian]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Want to congratulate CJP for his decision on PTI's petition, ensuring that overseas Pakistanis, the nation's most valuable asset, have their right to vote materialise.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/981115762768334848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Mian]

PMLN and PPP are showing opposition to this and just like 2013 they want it delayed again this time they are saying add them in 2023 GE instead of 2018

 

[Varun]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Want to congratulate CJP for his decision on PTI's petition, ensuring that overseas Pakistanis, the nation's most valuable asset, have their right to vote materialise.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/981115762768334848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 3, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Just award the election to Imran Khan already.

 

[JaDed]

Just award the election to Imran Khan already.

Apparently the overseas Pakistanis are nation's most valuable asset lol.

 

[Mian]

Apparently the overseas Pakistanis are nation's most valuable asset lol.

At least look at the context i hope you know our country is running on remittances from overseas Pakistanis+loans. Pakistan's exports dropped to $22 billion thanks to PMLN policies and the trade deficit is now $27 billion but guess what the remittances sent to Pakistan every year are $17 to $18 billion dollar now remove those remittances and let me know who is the most valuable asset right now for Pakistan.

 

[JaDed]

At least look at the context i hope you know our country is running on remittances from overseas Pakistanis+loans. Pakistan's exports dropped to $22 billion thanks to PMLN policies and the trade deficit is now $27 billion but guess what the remittances sent to Pakistan every year are $17 to $18 billion dollar now remove those remittances and let me know who is the most valuable asset right now for Pakistan.

People living in Pakistan are it's biggest assets, surely Edhi sahab was a bigger asset than say ones in London.

 

[Mian]

People living in Pakistan are it's biggest assets, surely Edhi sahab was a bigger asset than say ones in London.

No doubt about that but here we are talking about support to economy and current situation where exports are at massive decline from last 5 years, debt is increasing, deficit is getting wide and wife so right now our only hope is remittances i hope they dont decline massively because last year many Pakistanis came back from Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries (that's not just decrease in remittance but also an increase in jobless population of Pak). And i am living in Pak but i know the important overseas Pakistanis and their contribution to our economy

 

[JaDed]

No doubt about that but here we are talking about support to economy and current situation where exports are at massive decline from last 5 years, debt is increasing, deficit is getting wide and wife so right now our only hope is remittances i hope they dont decline massively because last year many Pakistanis came back from Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries (that's not just decrease in remittance but also an increase in jobless population of Pak). And i am living in Pak but i know the important overseas Pakistanis and their contribution to our economy

I do understand from an common man's point of view just not from Imrans point of view, he is the leader of the country, of the people within the country.