Now overseas Pakistanis will be able to vote in Pakistan elections too!

[Bewal Express]

Remind me of what work has been done by your PPP stalwarts in Noderoferoz, Larkana et al that they keep getting re-elected over and over again? So who votes for them?

I can't wait for the list

 

[shah_1]

Extremely sad.

The problems shared by the locals in their constituency are internal that overseas Pakistani don't face. Overseas face world class facilities in UK, Australia, Canada, and US, yet they have right to decide the representatives(MPAs and MNA) of Tharparkar, Rajanpur. It is right of locals only who live in that area. American system is presidential.


They should have overseas MNA/MPA representative and vote for them. Best possible solution .

 

[DRsohail]

Let noora and PPP cry, love that.

 

[DRsohail]

And Rona Dona start hahhaha

 

[Bewal Express]

Overseas PK only interest is to see PK successful, we dont need the keema naans, or the Bribes at elections to vote for some loser who can barely read.

 

[Bewal Express]

Extremely sad.

The problems shared by the locals in their constituency are internal that overseas Pakistani don't face. Overseas face world class facilities in UK, Australia, Canada, and US, yet they have right to decide the representatives(MPAs and MNA) of Tharparkar, Rajanpur. It is right of locals only who live in that area. American system is presidential.


They should have overseas MNA/MPA representative and vote for them. Best possible solution .

And you think they actually decide which wadera rules them in those places. I assume you missed Jokhios murder

 

[Savak]

The overseas Pakistani's have every right to protect the country from PPP, PML N, Bhutto's, Sharif's, Zardari's and the Badniyat Mamoon's living in the country

 

[Savak]

It's a right that I won't ever exercise.

Only someone living in or paying taxes in the country should be allowed to vote.

Overseas Pakistanis hold Imran in incredibly high regard but the feeling is beginning to wane amongst Pakistanis.

It would be unfair for overseas Pakistanis to be able to influence the election when we aren't living with the effects of inflation.

Pakistani's are facing the price and should face the price for sitting idle while letting the likes of PML N and PPP rule the country and indulge in brutal loot maar over 20 years. There is no excuse for the PPP to be winning in Sindh for 12 consecutive years. You cannot make such poor decisions and not expect to face the consequences of being silent enablers.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Extremely sad.

The problems shared by the locals in their constituency are internal that overseas Pakistani don't face. Overseas face world class facilities in UK, Australia, Canada, and US, yet they have right to decide the representatives(MPAs and MNA) of Tharparkar, Rajanpur. It is right of locals only who live in that area. American system is presidential.


They should have overseas MNA/MPA representative and vote for them. Best possible solution .

100% correct.

I mean how are they meant to connect with a local candidate, hear their views, engage with them and understand who to vote for.

All that will happen is that overseas Pakistanis will elect a populist government based on their view of an idealistic Pakistan where the skipper is going to win them the cup again.

If this is going to happen then there should be a 500 USD 'admin fee' per vote. Lets see how many remain patriotic.

 

[Local.Dada]

I see some of the overseas posters here and their view points that’s not very encouraging.

Some of the them justify laws and actions while living a cozy life in western countries.

While I don’t doubt their patriotism, how can they have the same perspective as the common guy living in the country every day. I am not sure if they would have the same perspective and view point.

Also how much of a vote share do overseas Pakistanis have anyways?

In sheer volumes there are 20 times more Indians than Pakistanis overseas but I am willing to wage a bet here that even if they get voting rights it will hardly make a noise in the actual outcome of the elections. How much difference will this make?

 

[Bewal Express]

100% correct.

I mean how are they meant to connect with a local candidate, hear their views, engage with them and understand who to vote for.

All that will happen is that overseas Pakistanis will elect a populist government based on their view of an idealistic Pakistan where the skipper is going to win them the cup again.

If this is going to happen then there should be a 500 USD 'admin fee' per vote. Lets see how many remain patriotic.

Try going near a PK candidate and challenge and see if you live to tell the tale. The fact is that if we put a walia Allah against most candidates from a local family and they wont get a vote.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Try going near a PK candidate and challenge and see if you live to tell the tale. The fact is that if we put a walia Allah against most candidates from a local family and they wont get a vote.

I have spent time with the many of the PTI ministers and ex PMLN ministers.

They are a sorry excuse for politicians. In my local area the candidates are worse.

But the fact is that because I dont feel the direct affect of these policies I shouldn't have a say in who gets elected.

It's easy for us to sit in ivory towers in western countries and talk about corruption...the local guy needs to live with it and will either chose a corrupt who will help him or a less corrupt who may clean up the system slightly.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistani's are facing the price and should face the price for sitting idle while letting the likes of PML N and PPP rule the country and indulge in brutal loot maar over 20 years. There is no excuse for the PPP to be winning in Sindh for 12 consecutive years. You cannot make such poor decisions and not expect to face the consequences of being silent enablers.

Then let them face the price.

In order to win over this thick awaam Imran had to stuff his party with corrupts and failrd politicians.

Lets use the memes that are Fawad Chaudry and Sheikh Rashid for example. These guys have been members of more parties than Chris Gayle has been of franchise teams.

Whats the point criticising the Pakistanis for voting PPP when PTI is just a PPP/PMLN lite.

Many of us abroad have too much of an idealistic view of Imran. I do like him...but im not the one struggling to buy fuel or vegetables at the moment, so my opinion means nothing.

 

[Savak]

Then let them face the price.

In order to win over this thick awaam Imran had to stuff his party with corrupts and failrd politicians.

Lets use the memes that are Fawad Chaudry and Sheikh Rashid for example. These guys have been members of more parties than Chris Gayle has been of franchise teams.

Whats the point criticising the Pakistanis for voting PPP when PTI is just a PPP/PMLN lite.

Many of us abroad have too much of an idealistic view of Imran. I do like him...but im not the one struggling to buy fuel or vegetables at the moment, so my opinion means nothing.

I know, we should let the PML N, PPP, MQM feed the voters Qeema Wallay Naans, Biryani plates for one day to decide the fate of the nation for the next 5-10 years. No thank you. It is time for these parties to truly answer to educated voters for a change.

Btw, inflation is a world wide phenomenon and gas prices, commodity prices have gone up world wide, it is not just exclusive to Pakistan. People in Pakistan don't pay their taxes, they are happy to pay bribes to govt officials, judges to avoid paying taxes, to avoid registering, happy to remain undergound in an informal economy and then have the gall to complain about the govt being bankrupt and being unable to provide them relief in tough times.

 

[Savak]

PPP and PML N know full well that they cannot influence voters abroad and hold overseas Pakistani voters hostage as they do to local voters. No wonder they are in fits right now.

 

[Bewal Express]

I have spent time with the many of the PTI ministers and ex PMLN ministers.

They are a sorry excuse for politicians. In my local area the candidates are worse.

But the fact is that because I dont feel the direct affect of these policies I shouldn't have a say in who gets elected.

It's easy for us to sit in ivory towers in western countries and talk about corruption...the local guy needs to live with it and will either chose a corrupt who will help him or a less corrupt who may clean up the system slightly.

The local guys vote for who exactly? Yes the same old families that dominate constituencies. So assumption that they are independent thinkers is a nonsense. If they were you wouldn't have the PPP ruling Sindh by treating their people as animals.

 

[Bewal Express]

Then let them face the price.

In order to win over this thick awaam Imran had to stuff his party with corrupts and failrd politicians.

Lets use the memes that are Fawad Chaudry and Sheikh Rashid for example. These guys have been members of more parties than Chris Gayle has been of franchise teams.

Whats the point criticising the Pakistanis for voting PPP when PTI is just a PPP/PMLN lite.

Many of us abroad have too much of an idealistic view of Imran. I do like him...but im not the one struggling to buy fuel or vegetables at the moment, so my opinion means nothing.

So what you are saying is that we wait for uneducated voters to catch up and smell the coffee and in the meantime PK is put at risk.
As far as your assertion about the economy,well the same Dawn newspaper that sits at the feet of NS today was warning of bankruptcy in March 2018.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

So what you are saying is that we wait for uneducated voters to catch up and smell the coffee and in the meantime PK is put at risk.
As far as your assertion about the economy,well the same Dawn newspaper that sits at the feet of NS today was warning of bankruptcy in March 2018.

It is unfortunately the only solution.

I mean what are we overseas Pakistanis - a vanguard of righteousness? What gives us the right to throw stones at people from afar while we sit in comparative luxury.


BTW I am no fan of Nawaz. I am probably mostly closely allied to PTI.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The local guys vote for who exactly? Yes the same old families that dominate constituencies. So assumption that they are independent thinkers is a nonsense. If they were you wouldn't have the PPP ruling Sindh by treating their people as animals.

The only way to overcome this is by offering people an alternative and letting them decide.

If they are happy being treated like animals, you or I sitting in the West can't help them.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

PPP and PML N know full well that they cannot influence voters abroad and hold overseas Pakistani voters hostage as they do to local voters. No wonder they are in fits right now.

PMLN has massive sway among overseas Punjabi. I dont know why but many still see ganja as sher-e-punjab.

 

[Bewal Express]

The only way to overcome this is by offering people an alternative and letting them decide.

If they are happy being treated like animals, you or I sitting in the West can't help them.

What if they don't have an alternative except death. Do you think its possible to challenge the Waderas in Rural Sindh,parts of Punjab and Balochistan.

 

[Bewal Express]

PMLN has massive sway among overseas Punjabi. I dont know why but many still see ganja as sher-e-punjab.

There will be but its 80/20 to IK if not higher.

 

[Kroll]

Do overseas Pakistanis pay taxes to Pak govn?

Seems like hardly anyone in Pakistan pays taxes to govt. either.

 

[Bewal Express]

It is unfortunately the only solution.

I mean what are we overseas Pakistanis - a vanguard of righteousness? What gives us the right to throw stones at people from afar while we sit in comparative luxury.


BTW I am no fan of Nawaz. I am probably mostly closely allied to PTI.

Any citizen of PK should have the right to vote. What you forget is that both Maryam, NS and SS also promised the same. What do you think changed

 

[JaDed]

Seems like hardly anyone in Pakistan pays taxes to govt. either.

They do pay taxes in other ways.

 

[Kroll]

They do pay taxes in other ways.

Perhaps IK is swayed by the fact overseas Pakistanis are sending tens of $billions remittances every year. I think the likes of Pakistan is in a unique position, it has one of the largest diasporas in the world after China and India.

I have seen IK trying to curry favour with the OSP over the last few years. Don't think one size fits all in this situation.

 

[the Great Khan]

ok so if you are educated, would you be voting a MNA in your locality(which many of you overseas havent visited back home) based on the work he has done or based on his party?

99% of you that call locals uneducated, you to will vote an MNA based on him belonging to PTI, not the actual work that MNA has pushed for in that area

Actually many of relatives are well versed I the politics of Pakistan. My cousin is an mp and other relatives are I valved I punjab politics. My grandfather stood in council elections for the Muslim league in the 50's or 60's. They all have contacts with subsequent t relatives back home.

One of my brothers friends us a cutter pmln supporter and has links to the gujranwala crowd. He knows more people in politics than your average islu dweller. You will be surprised how much contact overseas Pakistanis have with he political scene. Much fund raising and back scratching occurs between overseas Pakistanis and politicians. Many make money and send it back , many want to build a portfolio back home and get to know people who know people. The links can be quite deep.

My naankay know the kaira clan very well to the extent that the kairas tried to steal land belonging to my great aunt who had to go over to kairas and ask him to get his goons off her land. Once he found out who my naankay were he backed off based on jaan pehchaan..don't underestimate the knowledge of many who will want to vote.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Perhaps IK is swayed by the fact overseas Pakistanis are sending tens of $billions remittances every year. I think the likes of Pakistan is in a unique position, it has one of the largest diasporas in the world after China and India.

I have seen IK trying to curry favour with the OSP over the last few years. Don't think one size fits all in this situation.

IK build his cancer hospital with the donations of overseas Pakistanis . He has been promising them voting rights from years ago this is not a recent stand or something he just started bringing up to get votes. This is a promise before election he fulfilled after getting elected.
Majority of the overseas Pakistani are labourers in countries like UAE and Suadia they are not the rich people most of you are assuming who can actually afford by a plane ticket go to Pakistan and vote. These are people that send all they earn to their families back in Pakistan.

 

[Gayle_Force]

EVM is the bigger news here and will actually have a bigger impact on the elections. Oversees Pakistani votes just seem like a smoke screen. I could be wrong, but I definitely don't see enough oversees Pakistanis turning out to vote to actually make a difference.

 

[moghul]

Two controversial bills have been passed today after pti conducted a joint session with national assembly members and senate both voting. Horse trading was also probably involved as usual.

The upcoming elections will now become controversial.

Overseas with no knowledge of our problems will be playing with our faiths. However atleast this time we can baouth them like they have been doing against the locals for many years.

EVM will be controversial as the system has many loopholes. Its not the perfect system and mamy countries dont adopt it. While I do somewhat think its a move in the right direction, but it only makes the election very controversial.

Our paper balloting system had problems in vote counting as the supervisor at those election places can decide which vote to count and which to not count...
But EVM has issues lets see how this gets implemented now

Its controversial for the corrupt ones, not for those who want to get rid of rigging in elections.

 

[moghul]

The overseas Pakistani's have every right to protect the country from PPP, PML N, Bhutto's, Sharif's, Zardari's and the Badniyat Mamoon's living in the country

Absolutely , I can;t wait to cast my vote in next election. Every vote matters.

 

[moghul]

Seems like hardly anyone in Pakistan pays taxes to govt. either.

They send so much money to Pakistan , you have no idea.

 

[Pakpak]

Excellent news long overdue. 90 percent of the time anytime Nooras and Ppp are crying it means the news is good.

 

[Savak]

Will be interesting to see whether the political parties will campaign outside Pakistan for overseas Pakistani votes

 

[Giannis]

I don't see what's so controversial about a government facilitating voting rights of its citizens who happen to live overseas, this is quite typical of most western democracies - we have mail-in ballots for US citizens living overseas, it's their right and no one can disenfranchise a citizen from their constitutional right.

 

[street cricketer]

Why did it take this long to bring in electronic voting machines though.

But, just for heads up, whichever party that loses is invariably going to accuse that the electronic machines were hacked by the winning party

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Why did it take this long to bring in electronic voting machines though.

But, just for heads up, whichever party that loses is invariably going to accuse that the electronic machines were hacked by the winning party

They can make noise but physical ballots are also printed for verification. They have been making noise about rigged elections the last 3 years but it is PTI that actually filed 2-3 times more review petitions than all the opposition parties combined.
The greatest thing about EV voting for me is that now bureaucracy that was trying to go slow and hamper all the reforms will realize that it is useless as the Pmln and PPP wont be back to power next election. So the institutional reforms hopefully start picking up pace.

 

[Runner Up]

Overseas Pakistanis who wish to vote should be allowed with one condition that he/she will have to live in Pakistan for at least six months before the election.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Why should people who get bribed with Keema Aloo be allowed to decide what’s best for Pakistan?

They should decide what is best for them because they should live under the government that has been elected. Overseas Pakistanis don't don't need to do that. They live in their comfy homes abroad.

 

[Major]

Not a single poster who is happy about overseas election can make a comment about whether they will select the MNA for the constituency(in which they dont even live) based on the party or based on the fact who has done more work.

These same people who bad mouth locals, they themselves probably dont even know how elections work in Pakistan.

 

[Major]

The overseas Pakistani's have every right to protect the country from PPP, PML N, Bhutto's, Sharif's, Zardari's and the Badniyat Mamoon's living in the country

again plz answer the question.

If in your constituency you had Amir Liaqat as MNA, who is of PTI and has done no work in his area and left it too rot. Would you vote hiim or some other mna who has done work but belongs to some other party..

I doubt you are even aware how the elections work here but lets see your answer, easy to bad mouth locals i want to see what decision you would make in the above scenario.

 

[Major]

Actually many of relatives are well versed I the politics of Pakistan. My cousin is an mp and other relatives are I valved I punjab politics. My grandfather stood in council elections for the Muslim league in the 50's or 60's. They all have contacts with subsequent t relatives back home.

One of my brothers friends us a cutter pmln supporter and has links to the gujranwala crowd. He knows more people in politics than your average islu dweller. You will be surprised how much contact overseas Pakistanis have with he political scene. Much fund raising and back scratching occurs between overseas Pakistanis and politicians. Many make money and send it back , many want to build a portfolio back home and get to know people who know people. The links can be quite deep.

My naankay know the kaira clan very well to the extent that the kairas tried to steal land belonging to my great aunt who had to go over to kairas and ask him to get his goons off her land. Once he found out who my naankay were he backed off based on jaan pehchaan..don't underestimate the knowledge of many who will want to vote.

you ignored the whole post, it required a simple answer....

 

[Major]

And you think that local people vote for an MNA or MPA based on their performance. If that was the case why are the PPP still in power in Sindh?

bhai, everyone has said here na that we locals are jahil, I want to see our educated overseas Breathren reply to this how they would make decision.

Interestingly, no one has been able to make a clear cut answer

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

The overseas Pakistanis are enjoying the high exchange rates with the rupee value depreciating everyday. The locals have to deal with the rising prices and high inflation. Basically the government is hedging its votes with this bill. Extremely smart move but will be detrimental to the people of Pakistan in the long run.

 

[street cricketer]

I think giving overseas Pakistanis the right to vote in Pakistan elections is a good move if it includes the Pakistanis who were born in the country and emigrated to other countries, kind of like the NRIs in India.

But I think because of dual nationality, everyone of Pakistani origin gets called an "overseas citizen" of Pakistan if I'm right. In that case, that's not really a good move imo, the Pakistanis who have lived a good part of their life in Pakistan, or at the minimum spent at least their childhood in Pakistan, would have some knowledge about the ground realities and political situation of the country. I wouldn't want a foreign born 2nd generation or 3rd generation coconut who has never set foot in the country, or visited once or twice for one or two weeks as part of his summer holidays, has no idea about the country's politics or ground realities, voting to decide the leader of the nation where he or she's never going to reside in. That's actually a terrible move.

 

[Varun]

Why should people who get bribed with Keema Aloo be allowed to decide what’s best for Pakistan?

But you're no better - you're bribed by social media ad campaigns targeted at you.

 

[Major]

But you're no better - you're bribed by social media ad campaigns targeted at you.

the likes of him would vote amir liaqut to get pti in power.... he himself doesnt know the problem is and becomes just like us.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

But you're no better - you're bribed by social media ad campaigns targeted at you.

You mean brainwashed? A bribe is when you dishonestly persuade someone to act in one's favour by a gift of money or other inducement. What gift would I be getting for voting PTI lol?

Patwari’s would vote for Hitler if he offered them free biryani for a month.

the likes of him would vote amir liaqut to get pti in power.... he himself doesnt know the problem is and becomes just like us.

You seem to assume that overseas Pakistani’s don’t visit Pakistan and stay for months in s#it conditions.

You seem to know what the problem is and yet that problem still exists ever since Pakistan became independent. Clearly you’ve been voting for the wrong people.

 

[Major]

You mean brainwashed? A bribe is when you dishonestly persuade someone to act in one's favour by a gift of money or other inducement. What gift would I be getting for voting PTI lol?

Patwari’s would vote for Hitler if he offered them free biryani for a month.



You seem to assume that overseas Pakistani’s don’t visit Pakistan and stay for months in s#it conditions.

You seem to know what the problem is and yet that problem still exists ever since Pakistan became independent. Clearly you’ve been voting for the wrong people.

An overseas visting for three weeks is a big difference than staying their for your life knowing you have to feel with the system everyday.

Answer the question, because you think locals are jahils and overseas are more educated, would you vote amir liaqut as mna who doesnt do any work in his area but can get imran elected as pm, or would you vote someone who actually does some work in his area irrelvent to what party he belongs to?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

An overseas visting for three weeks is a big difference than staying their for your life knowing you have to feel with the system everyday.

Answer the question, because you think locals are jahils and overseas are more educated, would you vote amir liaqut as mna who doesnt do any work in his area but can get imran elected as pm, or would you vote someone who actually does some work in his area irrelvent to what party he belongs to?

If local Pakistani’s were going to vote MNA’s based on the work they’ve done in their area, then PPP wouldn’t be governing Sindh right now. That’s a fact.

What do you think of the MNA’s you voted for when you see 4 year old kids scavenging in kachra? Or when you see kids who should be in school, selling roses at Clifton beach? I’ve been going to Pakistan before IK was PM, and the problems I saw back them are still relevant today, what has the Sindh government done in Sindh that has them re-elected again and again?

I would vote for a new born child as MNA over any PPP, MQM, PML-N MNA. All of them will have the same outcome, but at least the new born baby won’t be corrupt.

 

[Major]

If local Pakistani’s were going to vote MNA’s based on the work they’ve done in their area, then PPP wouldn’t be governing Sindh right now. That’s a fact.

What do you think of the MNA’s you voted for when you see 4 year old kids scavenging in kachra? Or when you see kids who should be in school, selling roses at Clifton beach? I’ve been going to Pakistan before IK was PM, and the problems I saw back them are still relevant today, what has the Sindh government done in Sindh that has them re-elected again and again?

I would vote for a new born child as MNA over any PPP, MQM, PML-N MNA. All of them will have the same outcome, but at least the new born baby won’t be corrupt.

So basically you would vote for a pti mna irrelevent of the work he has done in his locality, because as overseas you dont live there and just want to see your favourtie cricketer as the pm.

Just shows, if locals are dumb, than overseas are no different as they also will vote for someone like amir liaqut as mna..

 

[YousafTheBeast]

So basically you would vote for a pti mna irrelevent of the work he has done in his locality, because as overseas you dont live there and just want to see your favourtie cricketer as the pm.

Just shows, if locals are dumb, than overseas are no different as they also will vote for someone like amir liaqut as mna..

Sure, I’ll be voting for a PTI mna for NA-240, just like the rest of my family living in Pakistan.

Jiye Bhut… sorry I mean Pakistan Zindabad

 

[Varun]

If local Pakistani’s were going to vote MNA’s based on the work they’ve done in their area, then PPP wouldn’t be governing Sindh right now. That’s a fact.

Even the easily bribe-able among the unwashed masses would realize the difference between 5 years of misrule versus a few plates of Biryani prior to the elections, so if a party or its candidates are being repeatedly voted into power there has to be something else going on to fund their popularity/success.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Even the easily bribe-able among the unwashed masses would realize the difference between 5 years of misrule versus a few plates of Biryani prior to the elections, so if a party or its candidates are being repeatedly voted into power there has to be something else going on to fund their popularity/success.

My uncle and his family are educated, they’ve never voted until the last election, where they all voted PTI. When they didn’t vote, they said that their votes would automatically go to another party (MQM). Now just imagine, the people who live in the rural areas of Sindh, even if they don’t vote, somehow their votes are going to PPP and MQM, and they’ll never know about it because they don’t have the facilities to access such information.

 

[Varun]

My uncle and his family are educated, they’ve never voted until the last election, where they all voted PTI. When they didn’t vote, they said that their votes would automatically go to another party (MQM). Now just imagine, the people who live in the rural areas of Sindh, even if they don’t vote, somehow their votes are going to PPP and MQM, and they’ll never know about it because they don’t have the facilities to access such information.

Then the solution is for the country as a whole to develop a system of checks and accountability to make sure the intended votes reach the correct candidates.

Overseas Pakistani votes will just add flakes to the pile and won't fix this issue.

 

[Gayle_Force]

An overseas visting for three weeks is a big difference than staying their for your life knowing you have to feel with the system everyday.

Answer the question, because you think locals are jahils and overseas are more educated, would you vote amir liaqut as mna who doesnt do any work in his area but can get imran elected as pm, or would you vote someone who actually does some work in his area irrelvent to what party he belongs to?

I think you are overestimating the votes that will come from overseas Pakistanis sitting in the west (USA, Canada, UK) who visit Pakistan maybe once a year. I don’t see these people actually going out to vote in large numbers.

The larger impact will be from overseas workers in the Middle East region who actually have high stakes in Pakistan because of the presence of their immediate family and physical assets in Pakistan and the remittances they send back.

 

[Savak]

I think you are overestimating the votes that will come from overseas Pakistanis sitting in the west (USA, Canada, UK) who visit Pakistan maybe once a year. I don’t see these people actually going out to vote in large numbers.

The larger impact will be from overseas workers in the Middle East region who actually have high stakes in Pakistan because of the presence of their immediate family and physical assets in Pakistan and the remittances they send back.

The UK has one million Pakistanis. Canada and the US combined too will have one million Pakistanis. That is a significant vote bank

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If local Pakistani’s were going to vote MNA’s based on the work they’ve done in their area, then PPP wouldn’t be governing Sindh right now. That’s a fact.

What do you think of the MNA’s you voted for when you see 4 year old kids scavenging in kachra? Or when you see kids who should be in school, selling roses at Clifton beach? I’ve been going to Pakistan before IK was PM, and the problems I saw back them are still relevant today, what has the Sindh government done in Sindh that has them re-elected again and again?

I would vote for a new born child as MNA over any PPP, MQM, PML-N MNA. All of them will have the same outcome, but at least the new born baby won’t be corrupt.

The guy whos kid is scavenging in the kachra has more right over the destiny of his kid than us sitting in comfort miles away.

It's easy to look down upon these people but they are facing the harsh realities of day to day life.

I urge all overseas Pakistanis who wish to vote to move back to Pakistan and help pull kids ouf of kachra instead of living miles away preaching.

We all have incredible sympathies from Pakistan but because we are not directly affected by the government we should have 0 right to vote for them. Our efforts should be dedicated to help locals, support legitimate NGO's and do some lobbying from overseas.

 

[JaDed]

Do first generation immigrants of Pakistani heritage in other countries get to become dual citizens too? If that’s the case I’m not sure how that works?

 

[Savak]

The guy whos kid is scavenging in the kachra has more right over the destiny of his kid than us sitting in comfort miles away.

It's easy to look down upon these people but they are facing the harsh realities of day to day life.

I urge all overseas Pakistanis who wish to vote to move back to Pakistan and help pull kids ouf of kachra instead of living miles away preaching.

We all have incredible sympathies from Pakistan but because we are not directly affected by the government we should have 0 right to vote for them. Our efforts should be dedicated to help locals, support legitimate NGO's and do some lobbying from overseas.

TBH overseas Pakistani's can do a lot more for Pakistan from outside Pakistan than within in terms of remmitances, attracting FDI's, setting up businesses, education exchange opportunities, promoting a soft image of the country e.t.c. The PM also made a very good point that by enabling overseas Pakistani's to vote, current and future governments will have a stronger incentive to take steps to make things easier for overseas Pakistani's otherwise risk facing a voter back clash.

Just because PTI has had to impose much needed necessary Austerity measures and tough economic decisions where there hands are tied because of 99% of the population not filing and paying their taxes does not mean that you have to make a one time exception to aleniate their vote bank. If the people of Pakistan want change, they are going to have to make sacrifices as well and not put everything on the government and force them to take additional loans that they cannot afford to repay.

Also not every overseas Pakistani is living in comfort as well, they have to work equally hard if not more than a well settled local vs local Pakistani's for their living.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

TBH overseas Pakistani's can do a lot more for Pakistan from outside Pakistan than within in terms of remmitances, attracting FDI's, setting up businesses, education exchange opportunities, promoting a soft image of the country e.t.c. The PM also made a very good point that by enabling overseas Pakistani's to vote, current and future governments will have a stronger incentive to take steps to make things easier for overseas Pakistani's otherwise risk facing a voter back clash.

Just because PTI has had to impose much needed necessary Austerity measures and tough economic decisions where there hands are tied because of 99% of the population not filing and paying their taxes does not mean that you have to make a one time exception to aleniate their vote bank. If the people of Pakistan want change, they are going to have to make sacrifices as well and not put everything on the government and force them to take additional loans that they cannot afford to repay.

Also not every overseas Pakistani is living in comfort as well, they have to work equally hard if not more than a well settled local vs local Pakistani's for their living.

If I was a Pakistani living in Pakistan I would be very angry if my government was being held to account by people overseas.

Also remittances in many forms are an absolute cancer that have robbed Pakistanis of entrepreneurial spirit and have created a society of beggars and leeches.

I completely agree with the bolded btw. I spent some time with labourers in Dera Dubai for a work project and my heart was broken to pieces at how much their country has failed them. When I mention luxury I mean white collar workers or business owners in western countries.

Also - I appreciate I am generalising but many Pakistanis acting sanctimoniously abroad, lose their principles when it comes to protocols from police chiefs in villages etc.

 

[LaLoco]

As mentioned, majority of the overseas Pakistani are in Middle east, where they have only one status, working status, sending most of their earing back to Pakistan, on the phone daily checking to see if their kids, wife and older parents are provided for - they deserve to have a vote in choosing fate of Pakistan as some of these people have spent more time in better system than the past Pakistani government have provided.

Pakistani votes from US and UK are miniscule, will have no impact on ground realities.

 

[cric_man]

Sure, I’ll be voting for a PTI mna for NA-240, just like the rest of my family living in Pakistan.

Jiye Bhut… sorry I mean Pakistan Zindabad

NA-244 for me

 

[cric_man]

So basically you would vote for a pti mna irrelevent of the work he has done in his locality, because as overseas you dont live there and just want to see your favourtie cricketer as the pm.

Just shows, if locals are dumb, than overseas are no different as they also will vote for someone like amir liaqut as mna..

Tell us did you vote based on work done by the candidate on the ground or based on whether he/she has a "teer" next to their name?

 

[Bewal Express]

I am passionate support of PK and I will support IK over the mafia but I think people are getting ahead of themselves over this. Firstly, in my opinion the turn out will be around 10% or less, then the problem is that the ECP will find lacunas to stop overseas PKs voting. So the benefits will be minimal but if the PK do turn out, it will be 80/20 in IKs favour

 

[Savak]

As mentioned, majority of the overseas Pakistani are in Middle east, where they have only one status, working status, sending most of their earing back to Pakistan, on the phone daily checking to see if their kids, wife and older parents are provided for - they deserve to have a vote in choosing fate of Pakistan as some of these people have spent more time in better system than the past Pakistani government have provided.

Pakistani votes from US and UK are miniscule, will have no impact on ground realities.

There are 2 million Pakistani's living in the US, UK, Canada. Don't think that is a minuscule number. Out of all the opposition parties i have seen in Canada and the US, PTI has the most active and passionate workers.

 

[Savak]

I am passionate support of PK and I will support IK over the mafia but I think people are getting ahead of themselves over this. Firstly, in my opinion the turn out will be around 10% or less, then the problem is that the ECP will find lacunas to stop overseas PKs voting. So the benefits will be minimal but if the PK do turn out, it will be 80/20 in IKs favour

Voter turnout will be massive. PTI is perhaps the best party in Pakistan in terms of facilitating their voters to vote. I am very certain the overseas PTI workers will work overdrive to ensure every overseas Pakistani capable of voting is catered too and casts their vote.

 

[Bewal Express]

Voter turnout will be massive. PTI is perhaps the best party in Pakistan in terms of facilitating their voters to vote. I am very certain the overseas PTI workers will work overdrive to ensure every overseas Pakistani capable of voting is catered too and casts their vote.

Maybe, but I don't see it. And even if they are desperate to vote the ECP are just as desperate to stop them.

 

[Kroll]

They send so much money to Pakistan , you have no idea.

Who does? It was a joke comment about people living in Pakistan not OSP's.

 

[cricketerB94]

Should not be allowed for overseas Pakistanis with dual passports. It's like someone has resigned from a company and joined another company, but can can still vote in the election of board of governors of previous company. It makes no sense.

 

[Gayle_Force]

The UK has one million Pakistanis. Canada and the US combined too will have one million Pakistanis. That is a significant vote bank

Call me a skeptic, but i highly doubt even 10% of this population will show up to vote.

 

[Kroll]

Call me a skeptic, but i highly doubt even 10% of this population will show up to vote.

I'm not sure what the eligibility criteria is like do you need to be in possession of Pak passport, NICOP etc? Regardless I can't see many British born people of Pakistani heritage taking much interest.

 

[Gayle_Force]

I'm not sure what the eligibility criteria is like do you need to be in possession of Pak passport, NICOP etc? Regardless I can't see many British born people of Pakistani heritage taking much interest.

I am guessing a NICOP will be required and yea same here in Canada. Even the older generation will likely not show up. It’s one thing to sit on your couch and watch ARY news and quite another to register and make an effort to go out and vote.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

I am not against it but i can see more and more fake news used as a propaganda . Overseas Pakistan live in a bubble specially who are permanently settled and don't go back in years..

EVERY PAKISTANI has a right to vote and just because they don't live in Pakistan shouldn't be the reason for stopping them voting for . I guess the awareness part of what exactly is happening in their respective area needs to be improved. Here in Australia they don't even check you ID sometime to vote let alone using an electronic system to vote.

 

[LaLoco]

There are 2 million Pakistani's living in the US, UK, Canada. Don't think that is a minuscule number. Out of all the opposition parties i have seen in Canada and the US, PTI has the most active and passionate workers.

In my opinion anyone with dual citizenship should not get to vote in Pak general election, at least there should be a time limit, if the person had lived majority of the last 5 years out of Pakistan then that dual citizenship holder becomes ineligible to vote in Pak general elections - majority of those Pakistanis in the US, UK and Canada are dual citizens who spent most of the time in those countries.

 

[Savak]

In my opinion anyone with dual citizenship should not get to vote in Pak general election, at least there should be a time limit, if the person had lived majority of the last 5 years out of Pakistan then that dual citizenship holder becomes ineligible to vote in Pak general elections - majority of those Pakistanis in the US, UK and Canada are dual citizens who spent most of the time in those countries.

Lol, people are only raising these objections now given ptis unpopularity at this time and knowing that pti has majority of the overseas vote bank. Before this everyone was calling for overseas voters to be given the chance to vote. I am pretty certain if PML N had the overseas vote bank no one will object right now.

I don't mind filing my tax returns in Pakistan. The govt should provide a foreign tax credit to overseas Pakistanis along with other incentives depending on the tax treaties

 

[LaLoco]

Lol, people are only raising these objections now given ptis unpopularity at this time and knowing that pti has majority of the overseas vote bank. Before this everyone was calling for overseas voters to be given the chance to vote. I am pretty certain if PML N had the overseas vote bank no one will object right now.

I don't mind filing my tax returns in Pakistan. The govt should provide a foreign tax credit to overseas Pakistanis along with other incentives depending on the tax treaties

I think government of Pakistan already does. PTI has, it has to do with how much time one spent in Pakistan then you become eligible to pay tax on property in Pakistan but not on foreign earnings.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Overseas Pakistanis who wish to vote should be allowed with one condition that he/she will have to live in Pakistan for at least six months before the election.

I see some of the overseas posters here and their view points that’s not very encouraging.

Some of the them justify laws and actions while living a cozy life in western countries.

While I don’t doubt their patriotism, how can they have the same perspective as the common guy living in the country every day. I am not sure if they would have the same perspective and view point.

Also how much of a vote share do overseas Pakistanis have anyways?

In sheer volumes there are 20 times more Indians than Pakistanis overseas but I am willing to wage a bet here that even if they get voting rights it will hardly make a noise in the actual outcome of the elections. How much difference will this make?

100% correct.

I mean how are they meant to connect with a local candidate, hear their views, engage with them and understand who to vote for.

All that will happen is that overseas Pakistanis will elect a populist government based on their view of an idealistic Pakistan where the skipper is going to win them the cup again.

If this is going to happen then there should be a 500 USD 'admin fee' per vote. Lets see how many remain patriotic.

Extremely sad.

The problems shared by the locals in their constituency are internal that overseas Pakistani don't face. Overseas face world class facilities in UK, Australia, Canada, and US, yet they have right to decide the representatives(MPAs and MNA) of Tharparkar, Rajanpur. It is right of locals only who live in that area. American system is presidential.


They should have overseas MNA/MPA representative and vote for them. Best possible solution .

ok so if you are educated, would you be voting a MNA in your locality(which many of you overseas havent visited back home) based on the work he has done or based on his party?

99% of you that call locals uneducated, you to will vote an MNA based on him belonging to PTI, not the actual work that MNA has pushed for in that area

Make Overseas Pakistanis pay taxes on their income and then putting this law we will see how many are really going to hold the dual citizenship then.

Comparison with overseas Americans is mute.

Why should someone sitting outside of Pakistan decide what is best for Pakistanis?

The majority of overseas Pakistanis do not have any other citizenship but the Pakistani one. They live mainly in the gulf Arab countries, and not the west. In many cases their wives and children are living in Pakistan, they have a house in Pakistan, they will go back to Pakistan once their job ends.

Why should these people not vote? Should they have to come back to Pakistan for one day, spend alot of money just in order to excercise their democratic right?

Too many people think of overseas Pakistanis as people born and bred abroad, who have no knowledge or ties to the country. Most of these people know the country very well, it is the only place they have which they can call home.

The country is surviving on these people leaving Pakistan for a job, and sending remittances back to their families. Only reason people are opposed to them voting is out of ignorance, or because of the political party which they support.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I am passionate support of PK and I will support IK over the mafia but I think people are getting ahead of themselves over this. Firstly, in my opinion the turn out will be around 10% or less, then the problem is that the ECP will find lacunas to stop overseas PKs voting. So the benefits will be minimal but if the PK do turn out, it will be 80/20 in IKs favour

I agree in places like UK, Canada, and US the turnout will be very low. Most of these people will not care enough to vote. However the Pakistanis in the gulf, who only have Pakistani citizenship, who know they have to go back to Pakistan one day, who have their wives and children living in Pakistan, who have a house in Pakistan, among these people turnout will be alot higher.

 

[Bewal Express]

I agree in places like UK, Canada, and US the turnout will be very low. Most of these people will not care enough to vote. However the Pakistanis in the gulf, who only have Pakistani citizenship, who know they have to go back to Pakistan one day, who have their wives and children living in Pakistan, who have a house in Pakistan, among these people turnout will be alot higher.

The ECP is part of the mafia, they will not allow them to vote and if by some major cockup by the mafia, they are, then NS and the mafia will appeal directly to Saudi and Qatari govts to stop it.