COAS General Asim Munir open to forgiving Imran Khan if apology offered

[Bewal Express]

I am amazed at no thread on this- please dont merge with other threads. According to Sohail Warraich Munir is now claiming "divine powers" as he claims he was appointed by Allah. He wants IK to beg for Mercy like NS, SS and AZ and if he does he will become an Angel or will forever by Iblees. I have a few questions for fellow contributors
- What does he want IK to apologise for?
- in what capacity does he want the apology?

@Mamoon
@emranabbas
@hks222
@IMMY69
@KingKhanWC
@mazkhan
@HalBass9
@DeadlyVenom
@Major

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Senior journalist Sohail Warraich has claimed that Chief of Army Staff (COAS), Field Marshal Asim Munir, has indicated a willingness to forgive former Prime Minister Imran Khan if he offers a sincere apology.

Writing in his column for Daily Jang on Saturday, Warraich revealed that after several attempts, he managed to meet Gen. Munir in Brussels, where the two held a two-hour-long discussion. Warraich said he asked “tough questions” while the army chief responded with “clear and candid answers.”

According to the journalist, the conversation began with political developments, particularly rumors about possible changes in the president and prime minister. Gen. Munir categorically dismissed the speculation, calling such reports “baseless lies.” He suggested that such narratives were being spread by elements opposed to both the government and state institutions to create political chaos.

During the meeting, the army chief stressed that he considered himself a soldier of Pakistan and had no political ambitions beyond his constitutional role. “God has made me the guardian of this country. I have no desire for any other position. My biggest wish is martyrdom,” Warraich quoted him as saying.

Gen. Munir also praised Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, lauding his “18 hours of sincere hard work daily” and commending the resilience shown by the federal government during difficult times.

On political reconciliation, he drew a parallel with Quranic verses about the creation of Adam, saying that reconciliation was possible only through a genuine apology. Warraich wrote that the general’s remarks implied that forgiveness could pave the way for political peace, but refusal to seek it would amount to obstinacy.

Speaking on the economy, Gen. Munir reportedly outlined a roadmap aimed at placing Pakistan among developed nations within five to ten years. He highlighted projects like Reko Diq, predicting an annual profit of $2 billion starting next year, which, he claimed, would help clear Pakistan’s debt and bring prosperity.

On foreign relations, the army chief stressed Pakistan’s policy of maintaining a balance between the United States and China, saying: “We will not sacrifice one friend for another.” He also described former U.S. President Donald Trump’s desire for peace as “genuine,” noting that Pakistan had taken the lead in recommending him for a Nobel Peace Prize.

At the Brussels gathering, Munir also issued warnings to neighboring states. He cautioned India against destabilizing Pakistan through proxies and urged Afghanistan’s government to stop pushing Taliban fighters across the border, warning: “If this continues, every drop of Pakistani blood will be avenged,” the columnist added.
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COAS hints at political reconciliation if Imran Khan seeks apology, claims senior journalist

Senior journalist Sohail Warraich has claimed that Chief of Army Staff (COAS), Field Marshal Asim Munir, has indicated a willingness to forgive former Prime Minister Imran Khan if he offers a sincere apology.

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[mazkhan]

A sincere apology is needed for settling afghanis and ttp and trying to balkanise the country using ethnic provincial politics

Alongwith with the Erdoğan style uprising of attacking pakistani bases and institutions on may 9th it was basically an act of civil war and could have led to a full.fledged uprising of ethnofascists in kpk balochistan and millions of illegal Afghans who caused havoc in Iran by working for mossad.

 

[IAJ]

A sincere apology is needed for settling afghanis and ttp and trying to balkanise the country using ethnic provincial politics

Alongwith with the Erdoğan style uprising of attacking pakistani bases and institutions on may 9th it was basically an act of civil war and could have led to a full.fledged uprising of ethnofascists in kpk balochistan and millions of illegal Afghans who caused havoc in Iran by working for mossad.

O jaan day oh.

Imran Khan has nothing to apologize for.
Even the establishment has basically admitted that there are no real cases against him — it’s all just about someone’s ego. That’s it.

If anyone should be apologizing to the people of Pakistan, it’s those who:

• Were responsible for the breakup of the country in 1971
• Rigged the 2024 elections
• Killed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
• Killed Benazir Bhutto
• Tried to assassinate Imran Khan
• Violated the constitution many times
• Entered people’s homes, destroyed their property, harassed women, and attacked elders and children
• Made people disappear
• Killed journalists
• Silenced free speech

...and the list goes on.

And yet, you keep talking about May 9th. Where is the evidence? Why haven’t they released the CCTV footage?
This whole drama is self-created.
In sha Allah, the time will come when those truly responsible will be held accountable.
In sha Allah.

 

[Mamoon]

I disagree with Munir.

Traitors and anti-nationalists cannot be pardoned. Imran should either be hanged or left to rot in jail.

The only third option would be if his Jewish ex-wife and Jewish sons arrange an exile for him in the UK with a legally binding guarantee that he will not return to Pakistan ever.

 

[RexRex]

Traitors and anti-nationalists cannot be pardoned. Imran should either be hanged or left to rot in jail.

What treachery and anti-nationalism has he engaged in ? Just curious.

 

[hks222]

I disagree with Munir.

Traitors and anti-nationalists cannot be pardoned. Imran should either be hanged or left to rot in jail.

The only third option would be if his Jewish ex-wife and Jewish sons arrange an exile for him in the UK with a legally binding guarantee that he will not return to Pakistan ever.

I think he said that in context of 9th May that he should apologize for disrespecting martyrs like Karnal Sher Khan.

Army under Munir has strongly stated that for power politics - PTI needs to work with other parties.

 

[RidiculousMan]

I am amazed at no thread on this- please dont merge with other threads. According to Sohail Warraich Munir is now claiming "divine powers" as he claims he was appointed by Allah. He wants IK to beg for Mercy like NS, SS and AZ and if he does he will become an Angel or will forever by Iblees. I have a few questions for fellow contributors
- What does he want IK to apologise for?
- in what capacity does he want the apology?

@Mamoon
@emranabbas
@hks222
@IMMY69
@KingKhanWC
@mazkhan
@HalBass9
@DeadlyVenom
@Major

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Senior journalist Sohail Warraich has claimed that Chief of Army Staff (COAS), Field Marshal Asim Munir, has indicated a willingness to forgive former Prime Minister Imran Khan if he offers a sincere apology.

Writing in his column for Daily Jang on Saturday, Warraich revealed that after several attempts, he managed to meet Gen. Munir in Brussels, where the two held a two-hour-long discussion. Warraich said he asked “tough questions” while the army chief responded with “clear and candid answers.”

According to the journalist, the conversation began with political developments, particularly rumors about possible changes in the president and prime minister. Gen. Munir categorically dismissed the speculation, calling such reports “baseless lies.” He suggested that such narratives were being spread by elements opposed to both the government and state institutions to create political chaos.

During the meeting, the army chief stressed that he considered himself a soldier of Pakistan and had no political ambitions beyond his constitutional role. “God has made me the guardian of this country. I have no desire for any other position. My biggest wish is martyrdom,” Warraich quoted him as saying.

Gen. Munir also praised Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, lauding his “18 hours of sincere hard work daily” and commending the resilience shown by the federal government during difficult times.

On political reconciliation, he drew a parallel with Quranic verses about the creation of Adam, saying that reconciliation was possible only through a genuine apology. Warraich wrote that the general’s remarks implied that forgiveness could pave the way for political peace, but refusal to seek it would amount to obstinacy.

Speaking on the economy, Gen. Munir reportedly outlined a roadmap aimed at placing Pakistan among developed nations within five to ten years. He highlighted projects like Reko Diq, predicting an annual profit of $2 billion starting next year, which, he claimed, would help clear Pakistan’s debt and bring prosperity.

On foreign relations, the army chief stressed Pakistan’s policy of maintaining a balance between the United States and China, saying: “We will not sacrifice one friend for another.” He also described former U.S. President Donald Trump’s desire for peace as “genuine,” noting that Pakistan had taken the lead in recommending him for a Nobel Peace Prize.

At the Brussels gathering, Munir also issued warnings to neighboring states. He cautioned India against destabilizing Pakistan through proxies and urged Afghanistan’s government to stop pushing Taliban fighters across the border, warning: “If this continues, every drop of Pakistani blood will be avenged,” the columnist added.
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COAS hints at political reconciliation if Imran Khan seeks apology, claims senior journalist

Senior journalist Sohail Warraich has claimed that Chief of Army Staff (COAS), Field Marshal Asim Munir, has indicated a willingness to forgive former Prime Minister Imran Khan if he offers a sincere apology.

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Why doesn't FM announce himself as the sole head of State? That will surely help him achieve the greater vision for Pakistan.

 

[RidiculousMan]

What treachery and anti-nationalism has he engaged in ? Just curious.

Broken his heart

 

[Bewal Express]

A sincere apology is needed for settling afghanis and ttp and trying to balkanise the country using ethnic provincial politics

Alongwith with the Erdoğan style uprising of attacking pakistani bases and institutions on may 9th it was basically an act of civil war and could have led to a full.fledged uprising of ethnofascists in kpk balochistan and millions of illegal Afghans who caused havoc in Iran by working for mossad.

We can duscuss the Afghans
Is he your God?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Some of the religious lines seem a bit odd, the most likely explanation is he trying to appear humble and knows this type of language resonates in Pakistan.

As per the apology, Imran has nothing to apologise to the FM for, but for the benefit of Pakistan and for Imrans own benefit it would be great if a reconciliation could take place.

We need all guns united and blazing and aimed at putting an end to India's nefarious games in the region .

 

[Bewal Express]

I think he said that in context of 9th May that he should apologize for disrespecting martyrs like Karnal Sher Khan.

Army under Munir has strongly stated that for power politics - PTI needs to work with other parties.

Is he God. If he isnt then on what basis is he asking for forgiveness.

 

[Bewal Express]

Some of the religious lines seem a bit odd, the most likely explanation is he trying to appear humble and knows this type of language resonates in Pakistan.

As per the apology, Imran has nothing to apologise to the FM for, but for the benefit of Pakistan and for Imrans own benefit it would be great if a reconciliation could take place.

We need all guns united and blazing and aimed at putting an end to India's nefarious games in the region .

Munir is asking IK for an apology. And according this thug then he does and accepts his dictatorship then all is forgiven. On what basis can you reconcile with a guy holding you hostage.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Munir is asking IK for an apology. And according this thug then he does and accepts his dictatorship then all is forgiven. On what basis can you reconcile with a guy holding you hostage.

It's either that or death in jail.

 

[Bewal Express]

I disagree with Munir.

Traitors and anti-nationalists cannot be pardoned. Imran should either be hanged or left to rot in jail.

The only third option would be if his Jewish ex-wife and Jewish sons arrange an exile for him in the UK with a legally binding guarantee that he will not return to Pakistan ever.

So you got your knickers in a twist. Munir believes he is God( as only God can forgive), he wants people to beg him. The question is on what basis? Its Munir that has broken his oath on the Koran, its Munir that has killed people and its Munir that has sold PK to America and promised them to that he will accept Israel. So my question is will you read you Kalima or accept Munir, it can't be both. So which is it.

 

[Bewal Express]

It's either that or death in jail.

I agree. Me and you arent leaders, but IK is and he is a Muslim of more conviction than me and many others . Iyyaka na'budu wa iyyaka nasta'een. You (alone) we worship, and You (alone) we ask for help.

 

[IMMY69]

Munir should be hung by the noose, closely followed by PMLN/PPP leadership for actual treason

 

[Bewal Express]

It's either that or death in jail.

The other really interesting thing from Today's Sohail Warraich column is Munir begging IK to ask him( Munir for Mafi) for the sake of moving forward and allowing Munir to hold PK hostage. They crave legitimacy which they dont have and never will because IK has told them to get lost

 

[Bewal Express]

Munir should be hung by the noose, closely followed by PMLN/PPP leadership for actual treason

It may not happen( it should happen)but look at the beghairat begging IK to allow them to hold PK hostage.

 

[Bewal Express]

I disagree with Munir.

Traitors and anti-nationalists cannot be pardoned. Imran should either be hanged or left to rot in jail.

The only third option would be if his Jewish ex-wife and Jewish sons arrange an exile for him in the UK with a legally binding guarantee that he will not return to Pakistan ever.

So on what basis is he even talking. His own DGISPR said he isnt involved in politics but he is saying he is and against his oath that he has sworn on the Koran. See the problem you have

This is the oath that they take

In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.

I do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to Pakistan and uphold the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which embodies the will of the people, that I will not engage myself in any political activities whatsoever and that I will honestly and faithfully serve Pakistan in the Pakistan Army (or Navy or Air Force) as required by and under the law.

May Allah Almighty help and guide me (A'meen

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I agree. Me and you arent leaders, but IK is and he is a Muslim of more conviction than me and many others . Iyyaka na'budu wa iyyaka nasta'een. You (alone) we worship, and You (alone) we ask for help.

Making a treaty that benefits Muslims is also a sign of conviction brother.

Hand on heart is a dead Imran Khan where his memory will likely be erased slowly more useful to Pakistan than one who is out and about and able to organize and speak.

He can hold his head high.

 

[Bewal Express]

Making a treaty that benefits Muslims is also a sign of conviction brother.

Hand on heart is a dead Imran Khan where his memory will likely be erased slowly more useful to Pakistan than one who is out and about and able to organize and speak.

He can hold his head high.

I agree but why is IK being asked to sacrifice PK people's aspirations to benefit the Generals and the mafia. I showed the oath that Munir has taken, that is an oath he swore on the Koran and here he is telling us it means nothing and he wants IK to beg him. Besides the gun, what does Munir have?
IKs death will happen when it is ordained. The question is about what the cause will be. When Munir stands in front of Allah,what reason will he give?

 

[Ball Blazer]

How scared they are just of one Khan in jail.

 

[straighttalk]

Imran needs to be patient ...munir second highest gallantry winner field marshall will overplay his hand against Modi and will be cut down to size and then Imran can return gloriously and work towards betterment of India..and like the great Turkish leader get rid of Islamist scourge from subcontinent and usher a new era of friendship

 

[IMMY69]

I agree but why is IK being asked to sacrifice PK people's aspirations to benefit the Generals and the mafia. I showed the oath that Munir has taken, that is an oath he swore on the Koran and here he is telling us it means nothing and he wants IK to beg him. Besides the gun, what does Munir have?
IKs death will happen when it is ordained. The question is about what the cause will be. When Munir stands in front of Allah,what reason will he give?

The problem with oath taking is that it makes zero difference to those that pretend to be believers but actually don't give two hoots about Islam or any other religion... religion is only used as a tool to benefit their own interests

 

[mazkhan]

The offer has been given for reconciliation

If Ik doesn't take it next stage is dissolve kpk goverment appoint governor raj and declare pti a terrorist organisation and move ahead with ik being charged for treason and death penalty for inciting 1971 and civil war

 

[Bewal Express]

The problem with oath taking is that it makes zero difference to those that pretend to be believers but actually don't give two hoots about Islam or any other religion... religion is only used as a tool to benefit their own interests

Absolutely. This is the crux of the problem. The beghairat thug wants IK to beg him for mercy( for what we have no idea and more importantly on Allah can forgive ) and in the same interview he breaks his oath and boasts about it.

 

[Bhaijaan]

@Bewal Express @IMMY69 @IAJ @KingKhanWC @Suleiman @gazza619 @BouncerGuy @RedwoodOriginal @LordJames

It is beyond shameful for the people of Pakistan that their greatest national hero, who gave Pakistan its only cricket trophy of real significance is today being humiliated and tortured by the most corrupt, crooked, and morally bankrupt individuals to ever walk in power.

The only apology Imran Khan owes is to Allah SWT for being born in a failed state, a military dictatorship compromised to foreign masters, where despite being on the right path he was never allowed to serve his people freely. That is his only sin and may Allah SWT be kind to him for it, for he had no choice in being born there. Yes, Allah SWT had indeed given him a chance to leave that country & settle abroad and perhaps serve mankind better but Khan Sahb chose Pakistan over everything and stayed there to struggle for his people despite the odds. For this decision alone he will certainly have to answer to Allah SWT but not to petty failed generals in Rawalpindi.

Failed Marshal Asim Munir, under whose watch Indian missiles struck Pakistani military bases one after another without resistance demands that Imran Khan beg for mercy like Nawaz Sharif, Shehbaz Sharif, and Asif Zardari, men who crawled before the establishment like pet dogs to save themselves. What Munir doesn’t understand is that Imran Khan is a lion and lions don’t beg. He eats beta-boys like Munir for breakfast.

Only in Pakistan, where burger kids of corrupt fathers from Clifton, Bahria, and Defence dictate the national narrative, could such a circus even exist.

Look at the tragic irony here, the most upright leader Pakistan has ever seen is in chains, while the same thieves who looted the nation for decades are rewarded with protection, luxury, and power. An absolute disgrace.

No, Munir. You will not get an apology from Sher Imran Khan, not even in your wildest dreams. Khan Sahb is the conqueror of hearts and minds across the subcontinent and beyond. His destiny is written only by Allah SWT, the Most Magnificent and the Most Merciful.

Do not ever delude yourselves into thinking you will escape divine justice. Karma’s receipts are absolute! The unseen, the eternal forces of justice cannot be escaped by anyone, not even by generals wrapped in stars and arrogance. Fear that. There is still time. Stop trolling and support what is right.

 

[Mamoon]

Imran needs to be patient ...munir second highest gallantry winner field marshall will overplay his hand against Modi and will be cut down to size and then Imran can return gloriously and work towards betterment of India..and like the great Turkish leader get rid of Islamist scourge from subcontinent and usher a new era of friendship

Nice script for the latest Bollywood flop.

 

[Bewal Express]

Nice script for the latest Bollywood flop.

Can you answer my point- on what basis does he want IK to ask for mafi? Is he claiming to be God? Is he your God? But why does a man with no legal rule ask for ask someone to ask for forgiveness when he isnt God.

 

[Kianig89]

The only wish FM cannot purchase ! Keep begging

 

[Bewal Express]

The offer has been given for reconciliation

If Ik doesn't take it next stage is dissolve kpk goverment appoint governor raj and declare pti a terrorist organisation and move ahead with ik being charged for treason and death penalty for inciting 1971 and civil war

Nope. This isnt an offer, this is begging IK to forgive him. IK never broke his oath, Munir has broken his oath, an oath sworn on the Koran. According to DGISPR Munir has no role in politics, so on what basis should anyone ask him to be forgive.

 

[Bewal Express]

The only wish FM cannot purchase ! Keep begging

It also shows that IK is being kept hostage and they have no cases or evidence. An innocent man in in jail and some beghairat defend a guy that claims to be God.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Keep fighting legend

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952931071437180935

 

[LordJames]

I am amazed at no thread on this- please dont merge with other threads. According to Sohail Warraich Munir is now claiming "divine powers" as he claims he was appointed by Allah. He wants IK to beg for Mercy like NS, SS and AZ and if he does he will become an Angel or will forever by Iblees. I have a few questions for fellow contributors
- What does he want IK to apologise for?
- in what capacity does he want the apology?

@Mamoon
@emranabbas
@hks222
@IMMY69
@KingKhanWC
@mazkhan
@HalBass9
@DeadlyVenom
@Major

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Senior journalist Sohail Warraich has claimed that Chief of Army Staff (COAS), Field Marshal Asim Munir, has indicated a willingness to forgive former Prime Minister Imran Khan if he offers a sincere apology.

Writing in his column for Daily Jang on Saturday, Warraich revealed that after several attempts, he managed to meet Gen. Munir in Brussels, where the two held a two-hour-long discussion. Warraich said he asked “tough questions” while the army chief responded with “clear and candid answers.”

According to the journalist, the conversation began with political developments, particularly rumors about possible changes in the president and prime minister. Gen. Munir categorically dismissed the speculation, calling such reports “baseless lies.” He suggested that such narratives were being spread by elements opposed to both the government and state institutions to create political chaos.

During the meeting, the army chief stressed that he considered himself a soldier of Pakistan and had no political ambitions beyond his constitutional role. “God has made me the guardian of this country. I have no desire for any other position. My biggest wish is martyrdom,” Warraich quoted him as saying.

Gen. Munir also praised Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, lauding his “18 hours of sincere hard work daily” and commending the resilience shown by the federal government during difficult times.

On political reconciliation, he drew a parallel with Quranic verses about the creation of Adam, saying that reconciliation was possible only through a genuine apology. Warraich wrote that the general’s remarks implied that forgiveness could pave the way for political peace, but refusal to seek it would amount to obstinacy.

Speaking on the economy, Gen. Munir reportedly outlined a roadmap aimed at placing Pakistan among developed nations within five to ten years. He highlighted projects like Reko Diq, predicting an annual profit of $2 billion starting next year, which, he claimed, would help clear Pakistan’s debt and bring prosperity.

On foreign relations, the army chief stressed Pakistan’s policy of maintaining a balance between the United States and China, saying: “We will not sacrifice one friend for another.” He also described former U.S. President Donald Trump’s desire for peace as “genuine,” noting that Pakistan had taken the lead in recommending him for a Nobel Peace Prize.

At the Brussels gathering, Munir also issued warnings to neighboring states. He cautioned India against destabilizing Pakistan through proxies and urged Afghanistan’s government to stop pushing Taliban fighters across the border, warning: “If this continues, every drop of Pakistani blood will be avenged,” the columnist added.
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COAS hints at political reconciliation if Imran Khan seeks apology, claims senior journalist

Senior journalist Sohail Warraich has claimed that Chief of Army Staff (COAS), Field Marshal Asim Munir, has indicated a willingness to forgive former Prime Minister Imran Khan if he offers a sincere apology.

mmnews.tv

1. Firuan (Pharoah) was a bigger tyrant
2. Ayub Khan was better looking, sophisticated and spoke superb English
3. Ziaul Haq was articulate and a master of strategy

We don't find their bones in their graves today, Asim Munir is a minion with no talents, he can beat up and suppress people today but brute force but he forgets

[19:64] ... And your Lord does not forget

 

[Bewal Express]

1. Firuan (Pharoah) was a bigger tyrant
2. Ayub Khan was better looking, sophisticated and spoke superb English
3. Ziaul Haq was articulate and a master of strategy

We don't find their bones in their graves today, Asim Munir is a minion with no talents, he can beat up and suppress people today but brute force but he forgets

[19:64] ... And your Lord does not forget

Absolutely. He thinks he is god. Beg me for mercy and I may forgive you. This is blasphemy and anyone that defends this is committing Kuffar. Can anyone put another spin on this because I can't say anything orher what it looks like.

 

[JaDed]

Imrans will come and go the Establishment is here to stay.

He should just apologise and move to UK, there is no local support for him anymore, abroad at-least Pakistani love him.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Imrans will come and go the Establishment is here to stay.

He should just apologise and move to UK, there is no local support for him anymore, abroad at-least Pakistani love him.

He should come back. You are right establishment is here too stay...but if he can come and eff up the Shareef khandan that's enough of a win.

 

[JaDed]

He should come back. You are right establishment is here too stay...but if he can come and eff up the Shareef khandan that's enough of a win.

Don’t think the Establishment will trust him anymore, he didn’t toe the line, he is lucky he didn’t up like Bhuttos

 

[Bewal Express]

Imrans will come and go the Establishment is here to stay.

He should just apologise and move to UK, there is no local support for him anymore, abroad at-least Pakistani love him.

The Establishment is fully naked and that wont be changed. They can kill, torture.and blackmail but history shows they are a beaten.

 

[Bewal Express]

He should come back. You are right establishment is here too stay...but if he can come and eff up the Shareef khandan that's enough of a win.

I think IKs aim is bigger than the dog turds that is Sharif and Zardari mafia

 

[JaDed]

The Establishment is fully naked and that wont be changed. They can kill, torture.and blackmail but history shows they are a beaten.

I understand your pov and frustration but it’s better to think of it practically , the ground situation has shifted again and Imran is no more in the picture.

Even the Pakistani posters locally might be from influential families but they are supporting Establishment, and there seems to be no end game of IK anymore, they have dismantled his party.

 

[Bewal Express]

I understand your pov and frustration but it’s better to think of it practically , the ground situation has shifted again and Imran is no more in the picture.

Even the Pakistani posters locally might be from influential families but they are supporting Establishment, and there seems to be no end game of IK anymore, they have dismantled his party.

It depends on what you mean by picture. Obviously he isnt in power but the Junta is naked in the eyes of the public and that is amongst all demographics. Go to any wedding or any mehfil, I have attended many, you would hard pressed to meet a handful that support this setup of murderous criminals. The language used against the Generals would make the hair on your neck stand up. This is the reason they are begging him to forgive them.

 

[LordJames]

It depends on what you mean by picture. Obviously he isnt in power but the Junta is naked in the eyes of the public and that is amongst all demographics. Go to any wedding or any mehfil, I have attended many, you would hard pressed to meet a handful that support this setup of murderous criminals. The language used against the Generals would make the hair on your neck stand up. This is the reason they are begging him to forgive them.

Same on religious front...

I was talking to a leading Mufti in Pakistan on WhatsApp who is a good friend and very well known. He told me that he hardly goes to any family gatherings because it is a debacle and the youth have become disrespectful to religious Scholars and don't want to listen anything against Imran Khan and openly challenge the narrative without any regard to age or seniority or stature in his family.​

The ship of enduring loyalty and love to Pakistan Army (corruption and rule) has sailed, people want Army to do their jobs at the border. Pakistani Army can project whatever they want know by force and by bribing the Media and buying Journalists, they have lost control of people of Pakistan.

It is likely that a day may come when Imran Khan will be released from Prison and Supreme Court will restore his rule and beg him to fix the issues of the country and even if Imran Khan dies in prison the love of Pakistan Army is over!

 

[Bewal Express]

Same on religious front...

I was talking to a leading Mufti in Pakistan on WhatsApp who is a good friend and very well known. He told me that he hardly goes to any family gatherings because it is a debacle and the youth have become disrespectful to religious Scholars and don't want to listen anything against Imran Khan and openly challenge the narrative without any regard to age or seniority or stature in his family.​

The ship of enduring loyalty and love to Pakistan Army (corruption and rule) has sailed, people want Army to do their jobs at the border. Pakistani Army can project whatever they want know by force and by bribing the Media and buying Journalists, they have lost control of people of Pakistan.

It is likely that a day may come when Imran Khan will be released from Prison and Supreme Court will restore his rule and beg him to fix the issues of the country and even if Imran Khan dies in prison the love of Pakistan Army is over!

The Maulvis have played a terrible role in his imprisonment and sold themselves and the dignity of Islam for money. All the Fake JI, JUI-F and TLP crap has been exposed as nothing more than rented jobs controlled by ISI.

I dont think IK will be released until Asim Munir is dead and it may well be that IK is killed in prison. IK knows death by the Junta is a very real possibility and has decided that to destroy corrupt and evil sysyem, he may have to sacrifice his life.

This is a straight fight between the evil, armed Junta and the people of PK ie IK. Munir had the opportunity to put the country back on the straight but took the path of power over doing the right thing. The guy is a coward and doesn't have the balls to take off his uniform and fight an election. He prefers to play God and this blasphemous act alone will result in a death that will be a lesson to others that may think about doing the same.
I see no way out of this deadlock.

 

[Major]

No Need.

Imran should be hanged. Traitors like him dont deserve any offers of apologies.

 

[Major]

What treachery and anti-nationalism has he engaged in ? Just curious.

During the VONC he delayed it on purpose so that Bajwa would intervene and implement martial law. First he was trying to make sure that power stayed with him, than he tried to sabotage the parliament with this move by stalling the VONC. It was treachery, for your own power or for your own ego you cannot just decide to hog your position and hope for martial law be implemented.

And this is not me saying it. Our constitution has an article 6 which states that any move you make which subverts the constitution could mean that you are committing treason. Thus, when Imran adviced his deputy speaker to reject the VONC and dissolve the parliament it was against the constitution.

Once a VONC has been called, you cant dissolve the parliament.

So Imran should be thankful to Asim Munir that he hasnt used this case against him. This is like the final case they have that they havent filed but could use against him future if he becomes a problem. Its like the leash they have on Imran. So, whenever they like, Imran could be tried under this case and could be deemed a traitor and be hanged to death for this.

Munir has rightly not used it yet as it would make Imran a martyr, but I really do hope they use it so that it becomes a lesson for every politician that the constitution needs to be respected.

 

[Suleiman]

Some people, Pakistani and non, keep saying that Pakistan is “too focused on religion” to progress.

No.

If Pakistan truly followed Islam (literally the entire reason for its creation and independence) then these public circuses which the whole world laughs at us for would not be happening.

And Pakistan would be united focusing on progression and achieving its potential. Instead we are too busy fighting ourselves and selling out.

 

[CadPakFan]

During the VONC he delayed it on purpose so that Bajwa would intervene and implement martial law. First he was trying to make sure that power stayed with him, than he tried to sabotage the parliament with this move by stalling the VONC. It was treachery, for your own power or for your own ego you cannot just decide to hog your position and hope for martial law be implemented.

And this is not me saying it. Our constitution has an article 6 which states that any move you make which subverts the constitution could mean that you are committing treason. Thus, when Imran adviced his deputy speaker to reject the VONC and dissolve the parliament it was against the constitution.

Once a VONC has been called, you cant dissolve the parliament.

So Imran should be thankful to Asim Munir that he hasnt used this case against him. This is like the final case they have that they havent filed but could use against him future if he becomes a problem. Its like the leash they have on Imran. So, whenever they like, Imran could be tried under this case and could be deemed a traitor and be hanged to death for this.

Munir has rightly not used it yet as it would make Imran a martyr, but I really do hope they use it so that it becomes a lesson for every politician that the constitution needs to be respected.

What do you think happened on May 9th when civilian protestors were tried using a Military court, was that following the constitution? Was cracking down on anti-military journalists like Imran Riaz Khan, preventing parties to use the cricket-bat symbol during the elections, and using the army in civilian law enforcement all following the constitution?

 

[Major]

What do you think happened on May 9th when civilian protestors were tried using a Military court, was that following the constitution? Was cracking down on anti-military journalists like Imran Riaz Khan, preventing parties to use the cricket-bat symbol during the elections, and using the army in civilian law enforcement all following the constitution?

Imran riaz khan is not a journalist. He is a youtuber.

He defended the peca laws and the crackdown when it was happening on other journalist. He ran away the moment they came for him.

9th may was a trap that pti fell for like dumb baboons.

It was one of the best traps set up, cause alot of posters here used to say that pti has street power and due to social media times no one can touch imran. The trap was set up, and it was hilarious watching the panic on Imran and co.

9th may will go down as the biggest buffonary a political party ever made in Pakistan

 

[BunnyRabbit]

1. Firuan (Pharoah) was a bigger tyrant
2. Ayub Khan was better looking, sophisticated and spoke superb English
3. Ziaul Haq was articulate and a master of strategy

We don't find their bones in their graves today, Asim Munir is a minion with no talents, he can beat up and suppress people today but brute force but he forgets

[19:64] ... And your Lord does not forget

A bit off topic but Every tyrant has subjected others to tyranny because of his/her lack of faith in Allah. And every one of them will perish one way or another. The only question is when. Most of us have been given some sort of power over other and majority of them have abused their power. It's simply a matter of our bias they we only see the bigger tyrants amongst us.

 

[Major]

I will never forget the way Putin made a fool out of Imran. He invites him to Russia, he goes running after even knowing the foreign tensioms going on and as soon as his plane lands in Russia, Moscow launches an attack on Ukraine......

Till this day i wonder, how crazy our foreign ministry must have gone, because now they had to evacuate the PM from a country where they had used him as a disguise to launch a surprise attack.

His days in Russia showed what a buffoon he was.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

I will never forget the way Putin made a fool out of Imran. He invites him to Russia, he goes running after even knowing the foreign tensioms going on and as soon as his plane lands in Russia, Moscow launches an attack on Ukraine......

Till this day i wonder, how crazy our foreign ministry must have gone, because now they had to evacuate the PM from a country where they had used him as a disguise to launch a surprise attack.

His days in Russia showed what a buffoon he was.

still better than the fool you are and the fools you support who keep fooling people like you.

 

[RexRex]

During the VONC he delayed it on purpose so that Bajwa would intervene and implement martial law. First he was trying to make sure that power stayed with him, than he tried to sabotage the parliament with this move by stalling the VONC. It was treachery, for your own power or for your own ego you cannot just decide to hog your position and hope for martial law be implemented.

And this is not me saying it. Our constitution has an article 6 which states that any move you make which subverts the constitution could mean that you are committing treason. Thus, when Imran adviced his deputy speaker to reject the VONC and dissolve the parliament it was against the constitution.

Once a VONC has been called, you cant dissolve the parliament.

That's the silliest thing I've heard, no offense.

The speaker is the one who allows or rejects no-confidence motions in parliament. If he doesn't do his job, then responsibility falls solely on him, not the person who he takes advice from.

So this is why Imran was called a traitor ?

 

[Bewal Express]

No Need.

Imran should be hanged. Traitors like him dont deserve any offers of apologies.

Which bit was treacherous. The case that you decided was treacherous was thrown out. Literally every case you want him hanged for has no legs either the judges are running off, benches are broken or the Prosecuters need another 2 years after the initial 2 years. Its the reason they are begging him. When in history is the hostage being begged for mercy.

On the other hand Bajwa, Munir, NS, SS, AZ and Billo have committed actually treason. They all have smashed the constitution, disobeyed the SC rulings on elections and delayed the elections

Do you remember when you said wait and see what I do if the elections are delayed. So what did you do.

 

[Bewal Express]

That's the silliest thing I've heard, no offense.

The speaker is the one who allows or rejects no-confidence motions in parliament. If he doesn't do his job, then responsibility falls solely on him, not the person who he takes advice from.

So this is why Imran was called a traitor ?

The fact that IK was trying to prevent a coup in peaceful way has been forgotten by Major. Their dishonesty shows in their every post. @Major who disobeyed the SC on the elections and the reserve seats. Isn't that an article 6

 

[Bewal Express]

Imran riaz khan is not a journalist. He is a youtuber.

He defended the peca laws and the crackdown when it was happening on other journalist. He ran away the moment they came for him.

9th may was a trap that pti fell for like dumb baboons.

It was one of the best traps set up, cause alot of posters here used to say that pti has street power and due to social media times no one can touch imran. The trap was set up, and it was hilarious watching the panic on Imran and co.

9th may will go down as the biggest buffonary a political party ever made in Pakistan

The PECA passed under the mafia. The IK law was shot down. The courts were free under IK. Let that sink in.

 

[Bewal Express]

@Major
You avoided the original question. On what basis is Munir offering mafi? Is he saying he is God?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am amazed at no thread on this- please dont merge with other threads. According to Sohail Warraich Munir is now claiming "divine powers" as he claims he was appointed by Allah. He wants IK to beg for Mercy like NS, SS and AZ and if he does he will become an Angel or will forever by Iblees. I have a few questions for fellow contributors
- What does he want IK to apologise for?
- in what capacity does he want the apology?

@Mamoon
@emranabbas
@hks222
@IMMY69
@KingKhanWC
@mazkhan
@HalBass9
@DeadlyVenom
@Major

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Senior journalist Sohail Warraich has claimed that Chief of Army Staff (COAS), Field Marshal Asim Munir, has indicated a willingness to forgive former Prime Minister Imran Khan if he offers a sincere apology.

Writing in his column for Daily Jang on Saturday, Warraich revealed that after several attempts, he managed to meet Gen. Munir in Brussels, where the two held a two-hour-long discussion. Warraich said he asked “tough questions” while the army chief responded with “clear and candid answers.”

According to the journalist, the conversation began with political developments, particularly rumors about possible changes in the president and prime minister. Gen. Munir categorically dismissed the speculation, calling such reports “baseless lies.” He suggested that such narratives were being spread by elements opposed to both the government and state institutions to create political chaos.

During the meeting, the army chief stressed that he considered himself a soldier of Pakistan and had no political ambitions beyond his constitutional role. “God has made me the guardian of this country. I have no desire for any other position. My biggest wish is martyrdom,” Warraich quoted him as saying.

Gen. Munir also praised Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, lauding his “18 hours of sincere hard work daily” and commending the resilience shown by the federal government during difficult times.

On political reconciliation, he drew a parallel with Quranic verses about the creation of Adam, saying that reconciliation was possible only through a genuine apology. Warraich wrote that the general’s remarks implied that forgiveness could pave the way for political peace, but refusal to seek it would amount to obstinacy.

Speaking on the economy, Gen. Munir reportedly outlined a roadmap aimed at placing Pakistan among developed nations within five to ten years. He highlighted projects like Reko Diq, predicting an annual profit of $2 billion starting next year, which, he claimed, would help clear Pakistan’s debt and bring prosperity.

On foreign relations, the army chief stressed Pakistan’s policy of maintaining a balance between the United States and China, saying: “We will not sacrifice one friend for another.” He also described former U.S. President Donald Trump’s desire for peace as “genuine,” noting that Pakistan had taken the lead in recommending him for a Nobel Peace Prize.

At the Brussels gathering, Munir also issued warnings to neighboring states. He cautioned India against destabilizing Pakistan through proxies and urged Afghanistan’s government to stop pushing Taliban fighters across the border, warning: “If this continues, every drop of Pakistani blood will be avenged,” the columnist added.
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COAS hints at political reconciliation if Imran Khan seeks apology, claims senior journalist

Senior journalist Sohail Warraich has claimed that Chief of Army Staff (COAS), Field Marshal Asim Munir, has indicated a willingness to forgive former Prime Minister Imran Khan if he offers a sincere apology.

mmnews.tv

Character throughout history with power often get divine complex , these are the worst of people . They Almighty refers us to story of the Pharoe

 

[Bewal Express]

Character throughout history with power often get divine complex , these are the worst of people . They Almighty refers us to story of the Pharoe

Absolutely. A criminal that broke his oath is now claiming divine inspiration. You couldn't make it up. You can see why @,Major kacked his pants. Absolutely no mention of the issue but some lazy clichés which have been debunked many times on here and every where else

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No Need.

Imran should be hanged. Traitors like him dont deserve any offers of apologies.

This sort of statement can only be made by Pakistanis who actually believe in the country and want to live there. You from your posting history, are not yourself a believer, and have often expressed a desire to live elsewhere. Nothing wrong with that, but then you can't profess to speak for the people of the country who ARE invested in the future.

 

[Bewal Express]

This sort of statement can only be made by Pakistanis who actually believe in the country and want to live there. You from your posting history, are not yourself a believer, and have often expressed a desire to live elsewhere. Nothing wrong with that, but then you can't profess to speak for the people of the country who ARE invested in the future.

@Major is angry because his ****** has shown less spine than a turd. ZAB was hanged by the Generals and his grandson sits in their lap and does their bidding. Poor Major backed a guy that is a spineless turd

 

[Extra_Cover]

This statement of Asim Munir right before his supposed "extension" in November might be something that would come back and bite him from religious aspect. He tries to come across as a scholar on Islamic studies but fails miserably on actions. The actions taken by military under his command literally steamrolls every basic human right steps or even Islamic principles. He is trying to defend his actions in light of greater good which is eliminating IK.

If I can paint a picture here on one hand we have a military command that has downright shot protestors, killed civilians in Balochistan and KP at their will, abducted poets / journalists / scholars / businessmen / lawyers, raided thousand of homes to spread fear in women and children, participated in honey traps or violated personal space of civilians to be later used as blackmail, assasination attempt at former PM, jailed thousands of civilians including political veterans, rigged elections to no end in order to change constitution and outright economic downfall. Now this military command is justifying all these actions to eliminate Imran Khan who on other end of spectrum is favourable with public and masses around the world, national hero, philanthropist and wrongfully imprisoned with assasination attempts.

Who can explain to these sorry bunch of military command that no one with IQ of double digits will buy their theory / reasoning.

On top of above the head of the army comes with idiotic metaphors where he is placing himself in the shoes of the God. How stupid of a statement that is. I remember one of his other idiotic statement after the elections to one of the journalist where the journalist asked him about IK and what happens now that PTI won majority in the elections. COAS words: "As the father of the nation how can I allow my kids to do drugs even if they democratically take a decision to do drugs". He is inferring himself as father of Pakistan who would not allow his kids (Pakistan public) to do drugs (elect PTI / IK). As a nation we are in an unfortunate position where the folks leading this country is no better than bad sattire.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

@Major is angry because his Khusra has shown less spine than a turd. ZAB was hanged by the Generals and his grandson sits in their lap and does their bidding. Poor Major backed a guy that is a spineless turd

If people like Major actually had the guts to back someone I could respect it more, but these guys always say they don't back anyone. But then come on here defending the Billo every time they get criticised. I don't understand it, just be up front and back your guy/girl. It's your country after all, show some investment.

 

[Major]

That's the silliest thing I've heard, no offense.

The speaker is the one who allows or rejects no-confidence motions in parliament. If he doesn't do his job, then responsibility falls solely on him, not the person who he takes advice from.

So this is why Imran was called a traitor ?

speaker acted out on behalf of Imran's orders. It doesnt matter what you or me have to say on this. The supreme court is the one that interoperates the constitution, and their initial findings did agreed that Imran was at fault for this.

 

[Major]

This sort of statement can only be made by Pakistanis who actually believe in the country and want to live there. You from your posting history, are not yourself a believer, and have often expressed a desire to live elsewhere. Nothing wrong with that, but then you can't profess to speak for the people of the country who ARE invested in the future.

but i am a Pakistani voter, and can have my say if someone violates the constitution.

 

[Bewal Express]

speaker acted out on behalf of Imran's orders. It doesnt matter what you or me have to say on this. The supreme court is the one that interoperates the constitution, and their initial findings did agreed that Imran was at fault for this.

You know this was a stupid case that had no merits but who was responsible for ignoring the SC orders on elections. Come on Major be an man and answer who ignored the 90 Elections date. What should happen to them.

 

[LordJames]

I will never forget the way Putin made a fool out of Imran. He invites him to Russia, he goes running after even knowing the foreign tensioms going on and as soon as his plane lands in Russia, Moscow launches an attack on Ukraine......

Till this day i wonder, how crazy our foreign ministry must have gone, because now they had to evacuate the PM from a country where they had used him as a disguise to launch a surprise attack.

His days in Russia showed what a buffoon he was.

Dear Major,

Do you really believe that Russia:

1. Planned a visit of Imran Khan to Russia
2. Then meticulously planned an invasion of Ukraine (men, amour, artillery) to coincide with precise trip schedule
3. Then when Imran Khan was put under house arrest and then prison did nothing and let all the benefit of such meticulous and expensive maneuvering go to waste?

If so, then let me ask you some questions:

• Would you admit that Imran Khan fell into this trap so he is innocent of all these machinations?
• What were the benefits to Russia compared to the cost involved?
• India is under Tariffs for buying Russian oil so what are benefit to Pakistan?

Please take the time to elaborate on your thoughts and it would be much appreciated.

Thanks

 

[Bewal Express]

but i am a Pakistani voter, and can have my say if someone violates the constitution.

Is stealing elections constitutional? Is passing an amendment with 50 seats constitutional? Is ignoring the SC decision on reserves seats constitutional. Who told them to ignore the rulings. Dont tell me it was the spineless whose grandfather they murdered?

 

[LordJames]

I will never forget the way Putin made a fool out of Imran. He invites him to Russia, he goes running after even knowing the foreign tensioms going on and as soon as his plane lands in Russia, Moscow launches an attack on Ukraine......

Till this day i wonder, how crazy our foreign ministry must have gone, because now they had to evacuate the PM from a country where they had used him as a disguise to launch a surprise attack.

His days in Russia showed what a buffoon he was.

For those who care about facts:

1. Feb 2014: Russian forces moved into Crimea and forced a referendum (March 16, 2014) and annexed it (March 18, 2014)
2. March 19, 2014: Putin announces the building of Crimean Bridge unilaterally.
3. 2015: Russia puts Kalibr missiles capable vessels in Crimea
4. 2016: Russia updates deployment of Black sea fleet around Crimea
5. 2015-2016: Russia upgrades Crimea airbases (Belbek, Saki)
6. 2016:Russia deploys S-400 to Crimea
   1. 2016-2018: EU and NATO fiercely oppose this means land connection of Crimea (Ukraine to Russia) and original round of sanctions proposed
   2. 2017: NATO declares it an illegitimate Infrastructure project and illegal military deployments
   3. 2018: US Imposes sanctions on Russia
7. 2017-2021: Russia ignores sanctions and continues deployment
8. August 18, 2018: Imran Khan becomes PM
9. Nov 17, 2021: Russia presents demands, including a NATO prohibition, as military buildup begins.
10. Jan 11–Feb 11 2022: Russia amasses 190,000 troops and artillery at Eastern border of Ukraine, (see 2,3, 4& 5)
    1. Crimea used as a staging ground for additional troops (see 2,3, 4& 5)
    2. Crimea used for stationing Black sea fleet and naval blockade of Ukraine (grain exports) to hurt the economy (see 2,3,4& 5)
11. February 23-24 2022: Imran Khan visits Russia
12. February 24, 2022: Russia invades Eastern Ukraine

Here is a timeline of sanctions on Russia long before Imran Khan became PM of Pakistan by Cambridge university from 2014 on wards

 

[LordJames]

Dear Brother @Major

As I have already said that I have an eye problem and use steroids so I make a lot of typos in my posts because I can't see early in the morning.

Please accept my apology for typos, I am trying my best.

Thanks for your understanding.​

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

but i am a Pakistani voter, and can have my say if someone violates the constitution.

So can a Pakistani voter who is secretly passing confidential information to enemy nations for a fee.

 

[HalBass9]

The Establishment is fully naked and that wont be changed. They can kill, torture.and blackmail but history shows they are a beaten.

The dictator may change, but the Establishment never loses. In the end, it always wins, faces shuffle, power stays.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

@LordJames @Bewal Express there have been a few posts and it is difficult to quote so will message directly here. I agree stock of army is at an all time low but since childhood there have been gatherings where politicians have been sworn at absurd and army been abused too during war on terror. Some mutterings in private gatherings won't change the on ground reality. Pakistan did not rise up for Imran and his party shattered into 1000 pieces.

There is no such thing as total victory in politics. Imran has little practical internal support and he is no Mandela figure externally either that people are campaigned for his release from prison. Beyond some asylum seeker uncles organizing a car parade for him in Manchester nobody else cares.

It is a harsh but true reality.

Deals can always be done. Even from a position of perceived inferiority. You guys mention the religious aspect, but our religion has such a deal that the companions at the time were shocked it was being agreed too. The world changed a few years after that deal and the ones in position of strength came back in a position of weakness.

Imran has to be pragmatic. He can rebuild the ashes of his party and do good outside of prison. He can transform the PTI so leaders and structures are in place when he goes and he can offer support during an upcoming time of upheaval where India will be poised to strike again and global pressure will be on recognizing the apartheid state in the Middle East. If you can't achieve total victory it doesn't mean you must accept death.

 

[Technics 1210]

Dear Major,

Do you really believe that Russia:

1. Planned a visit of Imran Khan to Russia
2. Then meticulously planned an invasion of Ukraine (men, amour, artillery) to coincide with precise trip schedule
3. Then when Imran Khan was put under house arrest and then prison did nothing and let all the benefit of such meticulous and expensive maneuvering go to waste?

If so, then let me ask you some questions:

• Would you admit that Imran Khan fell into this trap so he is innocent of all these machinations?
• What were the benefits to Russia compared to the cost involved?
• India is under Tariffs for buying Russian oil so what are benefit to Pakistan?

Please take the time to elaborate on your thoughts and it would be much appreciated.

Thanks

IK was lightyears ahead, he was the first from the region to build ties with Russia and trade. He got lamblasted.

Next month Modi does the same at the height of the war, and Putin doubles his bombs on Ukraine, and IK haters call the Russian oil trade a masterstroke from India.

 

[LordJames]

IK was lightyears ahead, he was the first from the region to build ties with Russia and trade. He got lamblasted.

Next month Modi does the same at the height of the war, and Putin doubles his bombs on Ukraine, and IK haters call the Russian oil trade a masterstroke from India.

Imran Khan is a human being and has a dozen character flaws and we cannot elevate him to the level of a Prophet or a saint, there is some very good merit in the post below:

@LordJames @Bewal Express there have been a few posts and it is difficult to quote so will message directly here. I agree stock of army is at an all time low but since childhood there have been gatherings where politicians have been sworn at absurd and army been abused too during war on terror. Some mutterings in private gatherings won't change the on ground reality. Pakistan did not rise up for Imran and his party shattered into 1000 pieces.

There is no such thing as total victory in politics. Imran has little practical internal support and he is no Mandela figure externally either that people are campaigned for his release from prison. Beyond some asylum seeker uncles organizing a car parade for him in Manchester nobody else cares.

It is a harsh but true reality.

Deals can always be done. Even from a position of perceived inferiority. You guys mention the religious aspect, but our religion has such a deal that the companions at the time were shocked it was being agreed too. The world changed a few years after that deal and the ones in position of strength came back in a position of weakness.

Imran has to be pragmatic. He can rebuild the ashes of his party and do good outside of prison. He can transform the PTI so leaders and structures are in place when he goes and he can offer support during an upcoming time of upheaval where India will be poised to strike again and global pressure will be on recognizing the apartheid state in the Middle East. If you can't achieve total victory it doesn't mean you must accept death.

 

[Bewal Express]

@LordJames @Bewal Express there have been a few posts and it is difficult to quote so will message directly here. I agree stock of army is at an all time low but since childhood there have been gatherings where politicians have been sworn at absurd and army been abused too during war on terror. Some mutterings in private gatherings won't change the on ground reality. Pakistan did not rise up for Imran and his party shattered into 1000 pieces.

There is no such thing as total victory in politics. Imran has little practical internal support and he is no Mandela figure externally either that people are campaigned for his release from prison. Beyond some asylum seeker uncles organizing a car parade for him in Manchester nobody else cares.

It is a harsh but true reality.

Deals can always be done. Even from a position of perceived inferiority. You guys mention the religious aspect, but our religion has such a deal that the companions at the time were shocked it was being agreed too. The world changed a few years after that deal and the ones in position of strength came back in a position

Little practical report? In an election where he was banned and his party was banned, just his name got a 180 seats. I think that is more than practical support. The fact that 1000s have stayed loyal under the threat of murder and rape tells you otherwise.

Deals can be done and in 78 years all we have done is deals. Deals are made by one mafia to keep another happy. Can you tell.me any Deals that have made any positive impact on the Average PK. So this nonsense that another deal will will help PK is just rubbish. Our economy is a total mess because of these Deals- deals with every mafia and no improvement relative to the Likes of Ind.

IK has been pragmatic- he offered to forgive those that attacked him. How about those that murdered Arshad Sharif and Zille Shah? Do we ignore their murder under another deal and then another thug gets a free pass.

 

[Bewal Express]

The dictator may change, but the Establishment never loses. In the end, it always wins, faces shuffle, power stays.

I disagree
History shows the establishment have to reform or they are gone. Before the 1832 reform act in the UK, very few people had the vote. If the establishment were stubborn, they would have been destroyed. Its the reason why countries progress. Our establishment has no interest in progressing PK, they are only interested in progressing their own wealth and privilege.

 

[Technics 1210]

Imran Khan is a human being and has a dozen character flaws and we cannot elevate him to the level of a Prophet or a saint, there is some very good merit in the post below:

What are you on about? I mentioned light-years in context of distance, being ahead. Get it?

What urban dictionary have you been reading?

 

[HalBass9]

I disagree
History shows the establishment have to reform or they are gone. Before the 1832 reform act in the UK, very few people had the vote. If the establishment were stubborn, they would have been destroyed. Its the reason why countries progress. Our establishment has no interest in progressing PK, they are only interested in progressing their own wealth and privilege.

In Pakistan, establishment reforms have only ever come under pressure from the citizens, and even then, they are permanent only to the extent that they secure the establishment’s dominance. Pakistan has never had a true democracy, and likely never will, because every so called reform has been about accommodating the establishment, not nurturing democracy.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Little practical report? In an election where he was banned and his party was banned, just his name got a 180 seats. I think that is more than practical support. The fact that 1000s have stayed loyal under the threat of murder and rape tells you otherwise.

Deals can be done and in 78 years all we have done is deals. Deals are made by one mafia to keep another happy. Can you tell.me any Deals that have made any positive impact on the Average PK. So this nonsense that another deal will will help PK is just rubbish. Our economy is a total mess because of these Deals- deals with every mafia and no improvement relative to the Likes of Ind.

IK has been pragmatic- he offered to forgive those that attacked him. How about those that murdered Arshad Sharif and Zille Shah? Do we ignore their murder under another deal and then another thug gets a free pass.

He has done deals in the past and those people that he filled PTI with, and shook hands with are as bad as Munir.

But fine. It seems that the scenario you prefer is for him to die in jail. People can continue to curse the generals at weddings, and the country will move on, just as it did after his incarceration and just as it did after the election. I'm not sure how that scenario benefits the average Pakistani either.

They aren't going to rise up, and unless Iman Mahdi comes within the next 6 months, the situation in Pakistan is likely to remain the same.