Comparison of cost: Lahore MetroBus v Amritsar MetroBus

[shah_1]

Because their are other priorities that the people of kp are facing rather then waste money on metro



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Public transport is waste of money? If IK can show that Metro can be developed at low cost compared to Lahore's metro bus then it would be a great example for others to follow

 

[cricketjoshila]

Take this and shove it where the sun don't shine. Might be too hard cuz your head is in there already..

http://www.brecorder.com/top-storie...rt-to-india-up-by-40-percent/?date=2014-08-09

India exports cements and not import.And unlike "un named sources" this article actually gives name of the people.
http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...rs-explore-export-options-113092400172_1.html

 

[Sidilicious]

Lol.Please take your lies somwhere else.India is one of the fastest growing economies and is still the 2nd largest producer of cement.

India was indeed importing cement from Pakistan. IIRC, the push to increase trade from both sides, from Pakistan was significantly from Pakistan's Cement association (or whatever it is called).

We were producing cement, but given our levels of construction weren't able to meet our demand

 

[Sidilicious]

India exports cements and not import.And unlike "un named sources" this article actually gives name of the people.
http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...rs-explore-export-options-113092400172_1.html

Cement from Pakistan used to cheaper than India.

http://articles.economictimes.india...cement-price-indian-cement-attari-wagah-route

 

[Slog]

Lol.Please take your lies somwhere else.India is one of the fastest growing economies and is still the 2nd largest producer of cement.

Dont understand whats wrong with his statement in this particular post though (regardless of his posts generally)

India at the time was seeing close to double digit economic growth (which has slowed considerably in the last few years). So for the time despite being a big cement producer, the demand might not have been met and hence need for import. (Dont know about the numbers or facts just going by his line of thinking)

 

[Eye_Done]

Comparing Lahore to Amritsar is like comparing New York City to some random city in mid west.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Dont understand whats wrong with his statement in this particular post though (regardless of his posts generally)

India at the time was seeing close to double digit economic growth (which has slowed considerably in the last few years). So for the time despite being a big cement producer, the demand might not have been met and hence need for import. (Dont know about the numbers or facts just going by his line of thinking)

Sir

I have posted links that India is/was exporting cement to other countries.And as far I am aware of export laws(I myself am a exporter)the govt doesnt allow for exports of any material if there is shortage of the same in the domestic market(Oil being an exception),as importing goods means loss of foreign exchange plus rise in cost of the goods.

There may have been some sporadic imports somewhere in Punjab or somewhere else.But it is not a major import as people are saying.

 

[Lords]

i dont know how to got to cement from lahore metro but one thing should be clear, India used to import cement from pakistan not too long ago.
This was the time when economy started growing fast and lots of new projects started coming up suddenly, May be companies were importing cement from Pakistan in north India not because there was overall shortage of cement in India but it was cheaper/faster to get it from pakistan then to get it from south india.

Like in every other field in India now a days, once there was shortage of a product and you are getting good price then lot of players come in market and saturate it quickly. Now there are so many new companies and factories in North India that i think they are overstock.

 

[ammytyagi]

Sir

I have posted links that India is/was exporting cement to other countries.And as far I am aware of export laws(I myself am a exporter)the govt doesnt allow for exports of any material if there is shortage of the same in the domestic market(Oil being an exception),as importing goods means loss of foreign exchange plus rise in cost of the goods.

There may have been some sporadic imports somewhere in Punjab or somewhere else.But it is not a major import as people are saying.

You are wrong. Not just Punjab, Rajasthan even Gujarat & Maharashtra were receiving cement from Pakistan. Pakistani cement is cheaper than Indian cement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are wrong. Not just Punjab, Rajasthan even Gujarat & Maharashtra were receiving cement from Pakistan. Pakistani cement is cheaper than Indian cement.



You are wrong. Not just Punjab, Rajasthan even Gujarat & Maharashtra were receiving cement from Pakistan. Pakistani cement is cheaper than Indian cement.

No.Amritsar in Punjab got some cement and some builder in Kerala imported Pakistani cement in 2013.

The total cement import was less tha 150mn USD.

 

[ammytyagi]

No.Amritsar in Punjab got some cement and some builder in Kerala imported Pakistani cement in 2013.

The total cement import was less tha 150mn USD.

Now you are accepting it that cement was imported. I have myself seen cement of Pakistani cement in Rajasthan & gujarat.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Now you are accepting it that cement was imported. I have myself seen cement of Pakistani cement in Rajasthan & gujarat.

I already said there were sporadic imports.When did u visit India sir?

 

[Diffusion]

A laptop is an excellent tool for spreading education where there are not proper classrooms and good teachers, and where there is no regular electricity.

I would like to understand why the privileged class is complaining about free laptops (not that they matter, fortunately)? Don't like the idea of disadvantaged kids using a laptop?

Surely, rather than giving each student a personal laptop it's better to invest/build more and bigger 24/7 libraries with these facilities available for free?

 

[desi_launda]

Honestly did not know Amritsar had a BRT system.Never even saw it on the news.

 

[Lords]

Honestly did not know Amritsar had a BRT system.Never even saw it on the news.

Neither did I, apparently it will open next month.

 

[uberkoen]

Pointless thread to be honest.

Anti-PML(N) people are nitpicking little things to complain about whereas, overall PML-N have done a wonderful job so far.

Looking at key metrics will prove that.

If you can't find anything negative the only solution is compare apples and oranges and try to prove how bad apples are compared to the oranges you saw somewhere. Absolutely meaningless.

 

[proud_pakistani]

This is what will happen when there is no accountability in the procurement.

 

[uberkoen]

Just read this article.

This is brilliant

http://www.dawn.com/news/1186361/a-ride-on-the-pml-ns-shiny-new-toy

 

[Slog]

[MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION] this is what i was pointing to

please dont make a cop out and say that this is apples and oranges as youve stated above because that is clearly not the case

in my field there is what we call a comparable which is a project of similar vein in another place to see cost efficiency, returns etc

For the metro projects this is a perfect comparable

 

[Slog]

The metrics that people use for comparisons are sometimes shocking.

, Lahore and Islambad metro's are elevated. Lahore has at least an 8km elevated stretch.

And Amritsar had atleast a 12km elevated stretch

I fail to understand why people are whinging about this.

You can thank your blind support for Nooras for failing to understand that i guess

 

[uberkoen]

[MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION] this is what i was pointing to

please dont make a cop out and say that this is apples and oranges as youve stated above because that is clearly not the case

in my field there is what we call a comparable which is a project of similar vein in another place to see cost efficiency, returns etc

For the metro projects this is a perfect comparable

Bro, this is Metro bus which is a different project. In the other thread we were discussing Orange Train.

On the Orange Line Metro Train Project the cost (prior to overruns) was in line with other similar projects.

You seem to know more about this stuff than I would so I'll ask you a few questions. How does the speed at which a project of such magnitude is completed effect the overall price? Also, does the stated price also include the price of any land that may have been acquired to complete the project? What is the state of Amritsar Metro Bus currently? How long did it take for Lahore Metro Bus Project to be completed?

Moreover, does the 30 billion price being quoted for the project also include the additional tracks that areyet to be completed? I believe an expansion of 30 KM's is on the pipleline. So, if the 30 billion being quoted already takes into account the additional 30KM's that are currently non-operational then that itself drives the price per KM down 50%

Please understand that I'm not saying the costs are justified but the comparison needs to be proper in order to understand the costs properly.

 

[ahsan17]

How does the land acquisition cost compare in Lahore v/s Amritsar?

 

[anakin]

To the fellow despondent Punjabi brothers across the border, Here is the current view of Amritsar roads, waiting and waiting for the BRTS:

Punjabis( on both sides of the border) have a knack of electing corrupt Govts. and then continue to ***** about it for eternity.

There is simply no comparisons between Amritsar and Lahore ,'Jis Lahore Nai Dekhya, O Jamyai Nai'

You guys are crying about cost of Metros, We have a giant gate at the entrances of our Holy City (Each costing more than $ 1 Million)

 

[Major]

So i have that KPK metro costs more then what Lahore or Pindi one cost.

ouch

 

[Slog]

So i have that KPK metro costs more then what Lahore or Pindi one cost.

ouch

Depends on what kind it is otherwise it's poor on their part

But do give some credible proof otherwise no one will believe this information

 

[Moiza]

So i have that KPK metro costs more then what Lahore or Pindi one cost.

ouch

Someone from the pti fan boys will come up with an explanation for this master stroke.

Honestly disappointed to see every party looting Pakistan as much as it can.

 

[Pakpak]

Someone from the pti fan boys will come up with an explanation for this master stroke.

Honestly disappointed to see every party looting Pakistan as much as it can.

Proof? Instead of your slogans.

 

[JaDed]

Not as posh as Lahore one but still very good considering the population of the city,Metro buses are great but based on our metro populations ,a metro suits much better.
Delhi has done remarkable on that front,Karachi should had gone for that instead of bus.

 

[Zak_Fan]

To the fellow despondent Punjabi brothers across the border, Here is the current view of Amritsar roads, waiting and waiting for the BRTS:

Punjabis( on both sides of the border) have a knack of electing corrupt Govts. and then continue to ***** about it for eternity.

There is simply no comparisons between Amritsar and Lahore ,'Jis Lahore Nai Dekhya, O Jamyai Nai'

You guys are crying about cost of Metros, We have a giant gate at the entrances of our Holy City (Each costing more than $ 1 Million)

For a so called "affluent" state, Punjab is quite a trashy place. Where does the money go?

 

[JaDed]

For a so called "affluent" state, Punjab is quite a trashy place. Where does the money go?

Er its not,HDI still is almost 5th best in India.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/3KhGMVXGxXcGYBRMsmDCFO/Why-Kerala-is-like-Maldives-and-Uttar-Pradesh-Pakistan.html

 

[Zak_Fan]

Er its not,HDI still is almost 5th best in India.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/3KhGMVXGxXcGYBRMsmDCFO/Why-Kerala-is-like-Maldives-and-Uttar-Pradesh-Pakistan.html

I am not speaking in terms of HDI. I know that people of Punjab have money and decent life standards, but it doesn't seem to be the case when you visit major cities like Amritsar and Ludhiana. I lived in Punjab as a kid for a couple of years, and now that I visit some cities again, not a lot has changed.

 

[Syed1]

So i have that KPK metro costs more then what Lahore or Pindi one cost.

ouch

Shooting from the hip like your king.

Do check the length and area coverage of both systems before lying. Who am I kidding lying is second nature for Nooras.

 

[Major]

Aur vote do Noora ko..

Well the numbers don't lie

The word on the streets is that the steel for the Lahore Metro was bought from Sharif family owned steel mill.


You can probably guess why the project was so costly..

Shooting from the hip like your king.

Do check the length and area coverage of both systems before lying. Who am I kidding lying is second nature for Nooras.

funny after bashing Noon league all out, now you come up with the typical U turn Khan excuse

Anyways, the lahori and isloo ones are i think 8km and 8km+, this one is only 6km.

i dont really care about the cost and all, but only pointing this out because of the fuss that Imran and his jiyalis made when the metro bus route was being constructed. This thread is the best example.

 

[Major]

Thing is, if Imran khan did what Noora league does, then all the PTI fans would do wah wah, but if its other way around, then corruption, steel mill and other 10 excuses are pulled up

 

[Pakpak]

funny after bashing Noon league all out, now you come up with the typical U turn Khan excuse

Anyways, the lahori and isloo ones are i think 8km and 8km+, this one is only 6km.

i dont really care about the cost and all, but only pointing this out because of the fuss that Imran and his jiyalis made when the metro bus route was being constructed. This thread is the best example.

This is all that I can find:


Still way cheaper per sq Km than Lahore + Isb, with more Kms, more buses stops etc and the other two's cost does not include flyovers and roads or plazas. Peshwar's does.

However, again our obsession nationally with roads. Pouring money into the education and health sectors is the way to go.

 

[Pakpak]

But again, if someone could post an official source?

 

[Major]

This is all that I can find:

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Still way cheaper per sq Km than Lahore + Isb, with more Kms, more buses stops etc and the other two's cost does not include flyovers and roads or plazas. Peshwar's does.

However, again our obsession nationally with roads. Pouring money into the education and health sectors is the way to go.

also, i dont care about roads and all as this is the job of unions and mayors. Parliament issues often get ignored. THats where PPP is best at

also
good luck in ur final exams

 

[Pakpak]

also, i dont care about roads and all as this is the job of unions and mayors. Parliament issues often get ignored. THats where PPP is best at

also
good luck in ur final exams

Haha aah man you saw that? I mistakenly uploaded that picture first. And thank you, I will be punished in 2 months so let's see.

As for PPP, a PPP minus Zardari's influence would be much better. I think Bilawaal wants to be separate but is not allowed to.

 

[Syed1]

180 bus stations vs 25/26 with very comparable cost and Nooras are laughing that the Peshawar metro is more expensive.

Even a wooden spoon has more intellectual capacity than Nooras.

 

[uberkoen]

This is interesting. Asad Umar and Ik have both been on record saying that Pakistan does not need a Metro Bus system and now they're implementing this in Peshawer and that too at a higher cost per KM and now PTI supporters are all cheering this project?

What happened to cost comparisons and all those things about how this money could be better spent elsewhere

also [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] chest thumping based on an image posted on twitter where the guy can't even spell 'stations' properly. Bro, the information in the image you are using to cheer for PTI is incorrect.

I love how PTI supporters twist the facts and everyone just believes whatever BS is posted. The guy just took the data for the entire TransPeshawer project and for the cost only mentioned the cost of the actual Metro bus 26km corridor project.

If you go on to the website of ADB you can see the project details. The 58 billion is being spent on the following:

"A 30-kilometer BRT corridor, including BRT dedicated lanes, 33 stations, 2 depots, mixed traffic lanes, bicycle lanes, parking, sidewalks, green areas, energy-efficient streetlights and proper drainage to climate-proof the BRT infrastructure"

Also, would like to add how IK has been so vocal in the past about the government borrowing money and being in debt and then his party goes ahead and funds this project by taking a loan from ADB.

 

[Major]

180 bus stations vs 25/26 with very comparable cost and Nooras are laughing that the Peshawar metro is more expensive.

Even a wooden spoon has more intellectual capacity than Nooras.

180 bus stations on a 6km track? isn't that waste of money now?

had this been other away around you would had been bashing PMLN all day long

 

[Major]

I doubt the data posted is even authentic because i live in Pindi, and every time i go to saddar i see the 3 story Parking space of metro.

The transit system always works on subsidies, so didn't understood the no loss part there

 

[ahsan17]

180 bus stations on a 6km track? isn't that waste of money now?

had this been other away around you would had been bashing PMLN all day long

Where are you getting the information that it's a 6 km route?

 

[Syed1]

180 bus stations on a 6km track? isn't that waste of money now?

had this been other away around you would had been bashing PMLN all day long

It's not a 6 km track.

 

[TM Riddle]

For a so called "affluent" state, Punjab is quite a trashy place. Where does the money go?

Expensive cloths, cars and of course drugs and alcohol.There's this Punjabi guy interning in the same clinic as me and was going on and on how Punjabis are so cool and dashing(These are the only words I could gather as he was speaking in his native tongue and sometimes it's really hard to understand that paindoo language of theirs, no offense to anyone here).
Don't know about our neighbors from across the border but the Punjabis I meet here are full of themselves and conceited to the core.Will never want to visit the state.
Although the golden temple is quite nice .