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Congratulations to India on a moral victory for this series

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Regardless of what happens in the next few overs, India played some wonderfully competitive cricket and kept genuine test cricket alive through their efforts and perseverance. This is a young side, and they will take a lot of experience and learnings from this tour.

Some key areas that should be noted and applauded

  1. Excellent cricket in the first test, had some key moments went their way they could have been up.
  2. A fighting comeback in the second test, Shubman Gill showed the world why he has the potential to be captain fantastic, and Akash Deep showed that he can make the ball talk like great bowlers
  3. An agonising defeat in the third, some lower order heroics unfortunately went unrewarded, had luck been on their side they would have won this match.
  4. Another fighting draw England were beaten black and blue by India
  5. One foot on the boundary rope away from victory.

In addition they have unearthed some future ATG's in Washington, Jaiswall and Gill while trail blazing the way with workforce management with Bumrah. In years to come India's handling of their prized asset will be reflected upon and become the new normal in cricket. Moreover, many posters thought this Indian attack would concede 800 runs regularly, that did not happen, not even once!|

They will likely lose this match, but I don't think they should be mocked or ridiculed. Only small moments in all of these matches had to go their way and they could have been 5-0 winners of the series. Thats how fine the margins were.
 
Moral victory is getting this close after losing Rishabh Pant in this test and an injured one playing back to back tests.
 
Life is not absolute where you have black and white, win or bust. There are lots of lessons and small victories along the way.

This young Indian side went into the lions den and brought Bazball to a halt.
 
Life is not absolute where you have black and white, win or bust. There are lots of lessons and small victories along the way.

This young Indian side went into the lions den and brought Bazball to a halt.

Lion's Den would be Australia or South Africa.

Not that hard to draw/win series in England. Even Sri Lanka won a Test series here in 2014 (when England were a far better Test side).

England's bowling attack was associate-level in this series. It was lacking penetration. Spin attack was very weak and pacers were inconsistent.
 
Lion's Den would be Australia or South Africa.

Not that hard to draw/win series in England. Even Sri Lanka won a Test series here in 2014 (when England were a far better Test side).

England's bowling attack was associate-level in this series. It was lacking penetration. Spin attack was very weak and pacers were inconsistent.
Which India already won twice in back to back series.
 
Even if India lose this match, I don't think a 3-1 score line will accurately reflect how well they played in this series. For a young and inexperienced team that is still finding it's feet, it was a highly spirited and impressive effort. They could realistically have won atleast two of the matches they lost in this series. Indian teams with far more reputed and big name players have come to England in the past and embarrassed themselves. In the recent history both the 2011 and 2014 tours come to mind.

India should be happy with how players like Jaiswal, Gill, Washington, Pant are coming into their own. They will be the foundation of this test team for years to come. Though I wouldn't say they unearthed them in this series. They unearthed them years ago and their talent is something they've been confident of for a long time. On top of that, I thought KL Rahul's batting in this series was really impressive too. He has made a great turnaround. One player that I think should be in this side is Shreyas Iyer.

India should be concerned about their pace bowling though. Bumrah is clearly starting to struggle now interms of fitness and can't handle the workload of a long series. Prasidh ain't it. Siraj is an average bowler. Akash Deep looks like the most promising bowler but is not the leader of the attack. The bench strength does not look great. And India have not found an elite bowler like Shami to replace him.
 
Even if India lose this match, I don't think a 3-1 score line will accurately reflect how well they played in this series. For a young and inexperienced team that is still finding it's feet, it was a highly spirited and impressive effort. They could realistically have won atleast two of the matches they lost in this series. Indian teams with far more reputed and big name players have come to England in the past and embarrassed themselves. In the recent history both the 2011 and 2014 tours come to mind.

India should be happy with how players like Jaiswal, Gill, Washington, Pant are coming into their own. They will be the foundation of this test team for years to come. Though I wouldn't say they unearthed them in this series. They unearthed them years ago and their talent is something they've been confident of for a long time. On top of that, I thought KL Rahul's batting in this series was really impressive too. He has made a great turnaround. One player that I think should be in this side is Shreyas Iyer.

India should be concerned about their pace bowling though. Bumrah is clearly starting to struggle now interms of fitness and can't handle the workload of a long series. Prasidh ain't it. Siraj is an average bowler. Akash Deep looks like the most promising bowler but is not the leader of the attack. The bench strength does not look great. And India have not found an elite bowler like Shami to replace him.

England is young and inexperienced too. English bowling attack is younger than Indian attack.

Even batters are pretty young apart from Root.

India shouldn't get extra point for being "young and inexperienced" because England are also in a transition.
 
England is young and inexperienced too. English bowling attack is younger than Indian attack.

Even batters are pretty young apart from Root.

India shouldn't get extra point for being "young and inexperienced" because England are also in a transition.
England are playing at 'Home'. That is a huge difference which you are not factoring in.
 
England is young and inexperienced too. English bowling attack is younger than Indian attack.

Even batters are pretty young apart from Root.

India shouldn't get extra point for being "young and inexperienced" because England are also in a transition.
England still has a number of big established names and others who have been doing well for quite some time now. Guys like; Root, Stokes, Duckett, Harry Brook, Jamie Smith...The nucleus of their team has more or less been the same for the past 3 years since McCullum came on. Just some names have gone away and been replaced by others.
 
England still has a number of big established names and others who have been doing well for quite some time now. Guys like; Root, Stokes, Duckett, Harry Brook, Jamie Smith...The nucleus of their team has more or less been the same for the past 3 years since McCullum came on. Just some names have gone away and been replaced by others.

India are also equally experienced or more experienced. Gill, Jaiswal, Pant, Siraj etc. have been around for a few years.

Only rookie is Jurel.
 
India had two superior pace bowlers in Bhumrah, Siraj wheras England's bowling attack minus Woakes who is past his prime was more inexperienced. India had more superior spinners in Sundar and Jadeja.

Let's not forget KL Rahul, Jaiswal, Gill, Pant, Jadeja, Sundar, Ready, Shardul have played plenty of Cricket with Kohli and Rohit.

Just because Gill was a young captain does not mean that the side was totally raw and inexperienced. India knows full well they should have won this series 3-1 but they choked and messed up under pressure and key moments.

Don't let the badniyat BCCI and IPL cheerleaders selectively act as if this was a young raw inexperienced team without quality players, the Indian team man to man had bowlers with better records than the English bowling attack. For India with all its riches, better players, playing in UK conditions to still fall short of expectations, sharam se doob ke mar jana chaiye.
 
India had two superior pace bowlers in Bhumrah, Siraj wheras England's bowling attack minus Woakes who is past his prime was more inexperienced. India had more superior spinners in Sundar and Jadeja.

Let's not forget KL Rahul, Jaiswal, Gill, Pant, Jadeja, Sundar, Ready, Shardul have played plenty of Cricket with Kohli and Rohit.

Just because Gill was a young captain does not mean that the side was totally raw and inexperienced. India knows full well they should have won this series 3-1 but they choked and messed up under pressure and key moments.

Don't let the badniyat BCCI and IPL cheerleaders selectively act as if this was a young raw inexperienced team without quality players, the Indian team man to man had bowlers with better records than the English bowling attack. For India with all its riches, better players, playing in UK conditions to still fall short of expectations, sharam se doob ke mar jana chaiye.

Exactly.

England is more young and inexperienced. Not India. These Indians play a lot of cricket.
 
India had two superior pace bowlers in Bhumrah, Siraj wheras England's bowling attack minus Woakes who is past his prime was more inexperienced. India had more superior spinners in Sundar and Jadeja.

Let's not forget KL Rahul, Jaiswal, Gill, Pant, Jadeja, Sundar, Ready, Shardul have played plenty of Cricket with Kohli and Rohit.

Just because Gill was a young captain does not mean that the side was totally raw and inexperienced. India knows full well they should have won this series 3-1 but they choked and messed up under pressure and key moments.

Don't let the badniyat BCCI and IPL cheerleaders selectively act as if this was a young raw inexperienced team without quality players, the Indian team man to man had bowlers with better records than the English bowling attack. For India with all its riches, better players, playing in UK conditions to still fall short of expectations, sharam se doob ke mar jana chaiye.
In the past England had players like Kohli, Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag, VVS, to name a few and they were still beaten black and blue. If winning in England was so easy then atleast one Asian team would have here in the last decade. Sri Lanka last won here in 2014. Pakistan last won here in 1992. India last won here in 2007. This Indian team had the benefit of batting on more batting-friendly wickets and having a weaker England bowling attack to contend with, but it's still England. And winning here is not easy. If you fight hard and lose, that can be respected. What can't be respected is surrendering and completely capitulating.
 
If they win this match India have the moral victory. If India lose this match, it’s just a typical convincingly lost series, nothing to commend India.

Same thing when we lost the series in England, just because we won one test doesn’t mean much.
 
If they win this match India have the moral victory. If India lose this match, it’s just a typical convincingly lost series, nothing to commend India.

Same thing when we lost the series in England, just because we won one test doesn’t mean much.

If they win the match, it would be a drawn series. Not a moral victory.

England are playing with 10 men (Woakes couldn't bat in either innings). Also, if you compare both sides, you can see English are more inexperienced/younger.
 
Moral victories don’t count.

This was a hard fought series and India did well to drag it this far with a young and inexperienced batting lineup.
I was expecting India to lose this 3-0 with 2 draws. If they somehow manage to draw this series, it is as good as a victory.

This Indian team will only improve from here.
 
If they win the match, it would be a drawn series. Not a moral victory.

England are playing with 10 men (Woakes couldn't bat in either innings). Also, if you compare both sides, you can see English are more inexperienced/younger.
Even Pakistani posters are not buying your silly argument and you are coming across as desperate now.

:sree :kp
 
Moral victory would've been if IND had won easily, which I thought they actually would. However, lets be honest, they got smacked around by Brook and Root real hard, I would say even if they manage to conjure up a win here. It was the inexperienced of Bethel that gave them some way back into the game.
 
England still has a number of big established names and others who have been doing well for quite some time now. Guys like; Root, Stokes, Duckett, Harry Brook, Jamie Smith...The nucleus of their team has more or less been the same for the past 3 years since McCullum came on. Just some names have gone away and been replaced by others.
Duckett is relatively newer compared to Pant.
 
Exactly.

England is more young and inexperienced. Not India. These Indians play a lot of cricket.

I would say England's bowling attack was more inexperienced than the Indian attack England with Root had an edge in the batting department.
 
If they win this match India have the moral victory. If India lose this match, it’s just a typical convincingly lost series, nothing to commend India.

Same thing when we lost the series in England, just because we won one test doesn’t mean much.
If they lose the match we can consider it a moral draw?
 
Moral victories don’t count.

This was a hard fought series and India did well to drag it this far with a young and inexperienced batting lineup.
I was expecting India to lose this 3-0 with 2 draws. If they somehow manage to draw this series, it is as good as a victory.

This Indian team will only improve from here.

Nobody remembers the losers.

The 2018 Ind tour of Eng was closely fought in all the games but people only remember the final scoreline which was 4-1.
 
I don't think Indian fans /team ever used moral victory for anything. Our normal style is "let's use it as a lesson and improve . we know that we have fought well but its not enough".Same should go for whatever it happens after the final day.They should try to analyse all the positives and negatives rationally.India will be playing against nz next year.it shows how much they learnt.
 
One would accept the argument if this was the best team we could have put forward. Following are the issues:
1. Selection of Sai and Karun: Both played in there shells as there life depended on this series. Could have picked Shreyas Or Rahane as they had experience. Or given Sarfaraz as he is much more confident cricketer.It was as if they wanted to spoil the career of these two boys. I feel sorry for them.
2 BothJadeja and Washi are playing as batsmen as captain doesn't trust them to bowl. England awas forced to bowl with three pacers because of injury. What was our excuse??
3. Shami should have been in the squad even if he had played one match. Even his 10 over spell would have made big difference as we were toothless with new ball.
4. Field placement was atrocious it looked like we were playing one day match.
If we win tomorrow it will be despite selection or tactics
 
Moral victory is getting this close after losing Rishabh Pant in this test and an injured one playing back to back tests.
so moral victory is playing a fat, unfit hack? btw, what did Pant contribute to India's victory? he scored 90 runs in 2 innings in the game they won
 
Gautam gambhir is a bad red ball coach..he emphasiSes safety first with all rounders and loses tests with just three strike bowlers...we need four strike fast bowlers or Kuldeep and rest can be sorted out.

Bad fielding and throwing away wickets after century cost us a winnable series
 
Gautam gambhir is a bad red ball coach..he emphasiSes safety first with all rounders and loses tests with just three strike bowlers...we need four strike fast bowlers or Kuldeep and rest can be sorted out.

Bad fielding and throwing away wickets after century cost us a winnable series
he is getting exposed in general.

India won CT and T20 not with his coaching. His real test is Test cricket and he is failing.
 
he is getting exposed in general.

India won CT and T20 not with his coaching. His real test is Test cricket and he is failing.
I actually like his all rounder heavy approach in odis and t20..provides batting depth and flexibility and everyone gets tonked at the death...but in tests you need to get 20 wickets..this is evident in India doing well in white ball cricket but not winning in SENA..we have now lost three test series..the nz home one was sad, we were outplayed in Australia but team selections played a role and here we lost due to a combiantion of bad team selections bad luck and stupid mistakes against a very ordinary English side.
 
I believe India played better than England in this series

They dominated the first test for the major part of the game only to lose on day 5. They could have won that game.

They should not have lost the third test - period. Jaiswal’s poor shot started the rot

Did brilliantly well to draw the 4th test after being 0/2 in the second innings. Batted 5 sessions to save the game.

Imagine if Root was given out yesterday when he was in single digits. The ball was only just clipping the stumps and the umpire gave the benefit of doubt to the batsman. Subtract 90 runs from his score and India might have already won this game.

The margins are so small in such tight games between two evenly matched sides.

India probably missed a trick by not playing a specialist spinner in this series knowing very well English batsmen’s habitual weaknesses against spin (apart from Root perhaps). You can understand why because they also wanted to strengthen their batting

‘could / should have been’ does not matter at the end of the day but the rub of the green was certainly not with India in this series

A neutral perspective..
 
Personally, a series of two sides in some sort of transition does make for a good series.

neither India or England have had a settled bowling lineup throughout the series. The batting has been a bit up and down.

India who historically have been pathetic in England had a golden opportunity to win this series. They failed.

England haven’t quite capitalised on India’s failings either.

Neither side have been good enough to ram home their advantages.

Either way, it’s been good practice for England for the Ashes
 
It's a young team team and young captain, they will learn.
Agreed, but the coach and support staff could have done better job... Gill could have done better bowling rotation and field placements, which can be excused since he is a rookie captain... Young players can be excused, but coach & support staff are supposed to be perfect from Day-1 (because they have a fixed tenure of 1 to 5 years max). They should have selected a proper team and if they believed it was a perfect team, then they should have instructed their captain to utilize it properly.

I mean 3 bowlers that too pacers are not enough to pick 10 wickets of an innings... You need at least 4th bowler (a wicket-taking one) and even a 5th bowler (to at least dry up runs) when opposition batting goes hard... (That's why even England struggled with their bowling in 2nd innings with Woakes injury) 4th bowler should come and bowl after 30 overs when a partnership is built and the game is running away, there is no second thought about it! Even if that bowler doesn't pick wicket directly, he should induce and help the main bowlers to pick wicket... Either you should pick a genuine spinner OR 4th seamer in these conditions...

A combination of Siraj, Prasidh, Akash is fine, but we need a 4th bowler who is a proper spinner like Kuldeep OR if you want to go defensive then pick Nitish/Shardul (An attack of Siraj/Prasidh/Akash/Shardul OR Siraj/Prasidh/Akash/Kuldeep is better than Siraj/Prasidh/Akash+Jadeja/Sundar) But what India is doing is going ultra-defensive by having both Jadeja & Sundar... If they both are so good (i.e., with bat), then let them bat at No.5 & No.6 as specialist batsman, let's see if they can do it consistently! Don't do this rubbish by including both of them in playing XI and don't have the guts to bowl them! OR pick an additional bowler if they are so good in batting! In my opinion only 1 out of these 2 should be playing in SENA, this is absolutely an issue!

I am sure if India played Kuldeep in any of these matches, he would have definitely bowled after 30 overs OR brought back repeatedly whenever the going got tough! No matter whether he picks wicket, keeps the run down, effective or ineffective, whatever, he would have at least been asked to bowl no matter what... Because he is primarly a bowler (That's what England did with Bashir until he got injured... Everyone thought he is an useless bowler, but he did his job in supporting the pacers, resting them and eventually he won a game for England! He may not be a world-beater, but at least he is a spealist spinner whose job is to bowl and not hide behind alrounder tag! England couldn't win the previous match, drew that match because they didn't had a proper spinner - Dawson was not good enough, but he did gave a breaktrhough in 1st innings very early!)

So you must play your specialists, alrounders are OK for home conditions... Say in India, we can play all of these - Jadeja, Axar, Sundar and another bowling/batting spin alrounders as many you want (like how England has stacked their team with seam bowling alrounders). But both these teams will struggle when they go outside, because they don't have proper specialists... England doesn't have a pacer who can bowl in all conditions (their bowlers will struggle in Australia/India, they should hope that Archer or anybody with genuine pace can play in Australia for their bowling to be effective! And find a Monty Panesar or Swan when they visit India) Likewise India should groom a spinner who is effective in all conditions...

Tests should be played with specialists (especially if you are a visiting team... That's how NZ won in India, they didn't compromise with their bowling unit. If they played with typical NZ team as in past like stacking with bits & peice players like Chris Harris, Scot Styris, etc, they would not have won! They selected proper pacers & proper spinners!) If still the opposition beats you, then salute them and accept that they are better than you! But unfortunately India woud have had a better chance if they had fielded a proper side against this England team which is bit one-dimensional & beatable (they are made to look like old WI/Aus Teams! Thier bazball has not made them reach WTC Finals, so they are definitely not an invincible team, so they can be beaten at home with proper tactics)

If a proper spinner or 4th seamer (even Shardul) had played, he would easily broken the partnership of Root/Brook lot earlier and that would have opened the doors, the 3 pacers would have become effective again... Cricket is about rhythm and maintaining the momentum... This is what is happening with Bumrah... For Bumrah to be an ATG he should play in a ATG team with better balance! Mc.Grath, Ambrose, Wasim, etc, played in full-fledged bowling units (though WI didn't have a spinner, their all pacers were lethal in all conditions, so somebody like Carl Hooper was enough for them. Pakistan had full pace battery + Mustaq/Saqlain, Australia had terrific support pacers + Warne)

That's why England and India will fall below SA, NZ and Australia in tests and they cannot win WTC... They will not be totally effective outside their den. And smart teams can beat them even at home (like NZ beat India, and Australia mostly beats them in England). India at least has decent pacers, so they are more competitive than England outside home, and they are brilliant in LOIs... England are much worse, because they are useless in LOIs too...
 
With proper bowling you can defend even 350, 300 too... Any test pitch (no matter how flat) will assist bowlers in 4th innings and gives them chance... Remove Jadeja's or Sundar's 50 runs -- 320 is defendable with proper bowling unit... Without good bowling unit even 400 is not going to be enough! That's why India gave 600+ target in 2nd test (But this cannot happen always, opposition team will not fail like this every time, they will come hard at you and you should be ready for that!)

So the blame should not go to flat pitches when India didn't defend 350+ scores for 3 times now! Note that all these are different venues, so the issue is with the bowling unit and selection/strategy!
 
Safe to say India were the better team across the 5 tests.

Should have won this 3-1 if we showed more game awareness.
 
If they win the match, it would be a drawn series. Not a moral victory.

England are playing with 10 men (Woakes couldn't bat in either innings). Also, if you compare both sides, you can see English are more inexperienced/younger.
Still running away from the toss advantage I see, 4th innings was easiest to bat here and in the previous 350+ chase.
 
I still think it was not a proper team selection... It is specialists who won the match at the end... Prasidh even though rubbish, does the job which Nitish/Thakur/Jadeja couldn't do...

Some are already mocking us for just drawing the series (even though it is a good feat to draw a series overseas), yes right we should not be satisfied for smaller achievements when we are capable of accomplishing more....

We could have won this match rather easily, definitely won the Lords test if there was 1 more specialist batsman/bowler, would have got the 1st test lot closer (more chances of winning it)...
 
With proper bowling you can defend even 350, 300 too... Any test pitch (no matter how flat) will assist bowlers in 4th innings and gives them chance... Remove Jadeja's or Sundar's 50 runs -- 320 is defendable with proper bowling unit... Without good bowling unit even 400 is not going to be enough! That's why India gave 600+ target in 2nd test (But this cannot happen always, opposition team will not fail like this every time, they will come hard at you and you should be ready for that!)

So the blame should not go to flat pitches when India didn't defend 350+ scores for 3 times now! Note that all these are different venues, so the issue is with the bowling unit and selection/strategy!
More and more 300+ scores are being chased everyday in tests. Every bowler in this series struggled and so many batsmen scored over 500+ this series, which was a world record which never happened before
 
Personally, a series of two sides in some sort of transition does make for a good series.

neither India or England have had a settled bowling lineup throughout the series. The batting has been a bit up and down.

India who historically have been pathetic in England had a golden opportunity to win this series. They failed.

England haven’t quite capitalised on India’s failings either.

Neither side have been good enough to ram home their advantages.

Either way, it’s been good practice for England for the Ashes
Dont forget, England won 5 out of 5 tosses and apart from one test, always had the better conditions thoroughout the series.
 
Always better to make troll threads after the desired outcome especially when you ain't got what it takes to predict/evaluate cricket to a decent degree :dw
 
Personally, a series of two sides in some sort of transition does make for a good series.

neither India or England have had a settled bowling lineup throughout the series. The batting has been a bit up and down.

India who historically have been pathetic in England had a golden opportunity to win this series. They failed.

England haven’t quite capitalised on India’s failings either.

Neither side have been good enough to ram home their advantages.

Either way, it’s been good practice for England for the Ashes
India have won the same number of series in England as Pakistan and won there more recently than Pak (2007 vs 1996).

Also Pak have lost their last series in Eng.

Ind have drawn both their last two series.
 
Unless it rains, Pakistan will be whitewashed in England next summer and thus be the first country to be whitewashed in all four of their last 4 SENA series.
 
Kidney touching performance by India vs a team deprived of its captain and with their bowling all-rounder batting with a dislocated shoulder.

Winning a clean game of cricket at the Oval to level the series 2-2 isn’t for everyone.
 
The is no moral victory in losing.

Saying this India lost the test matches in which Bumrah was playing!

Always a silver lining!

India totally fluked a draw. They beat a 10-man team to level a series!

Another asterisk for Indian cricket.
 
Some Indian fans consider the previous series that was disrupted by IPL commitments to have ended when India was 2-1 as a series win.

If you subscribe to that POV, and take this is as a win for India too you can argue with merit they have won 2 back to series in England.

Even if you don't subscribe to this, you cannot argue they haven't been competitive and walked away with a result that almost any side would be happy with.
 
The is no moral victory in losing.

Saying this India lost the test matches in which Bumrah was playing!

Always a silver lining!

India totally fluked a draw. They beat a 10-man team to level a series!

Another asterisk for Indian cricket.
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Atleast have some appreciation of good cricket. Nobody will think less of you. You are not a cricket fan basically if you can't appreciate this effort.
 
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Kidney touching performance by India vs a team deprived of its captain and with their bowling all-rounder batting with a dislocated shoulder.

Winning a clean game of cricket at the Oval to level the series 2-2 isn’t for everyone.
Yeah and India wasn't deprived of the no 1 fast bowler and no 1 WK-batsman in the world hahaha.

When will Pak win a SENA test next?
 
Whats was the point of Root in this series? Actually whats the point of his 21 centuries in last 5 years when he hasn’t won a single ashes or a single series vs India?
 
Last 3 India-England series,

Tests: 15
India Won: 8
Eng won: 5
Draws: 2

Mind you, 10/15 tests have been played in England. So even after having home advantage for most of the tests, England are behind India
And England won 12/15 of those tosses.

I know had these stats been reverse in India's favour, it'd have been seen as big advantage for India.
 
And England won 12/15 of those tosses.

I know had these stats been reverse in India's favour, it'd have been seen as big advantage for India.
Definitely lords result will change.even in this game, if eng played first they must have rolled out for 150.All the ftbs were batting like clowns whenever ball was moving.
 
England struggled to beat a bunch of novices at home.

Let that sink in. Really should be a point of introspection for them going into the Ashes. They really don't stand a chance

Should have done the job at Old Trafford with us losing Pant and India being 0/2. Very weak stuff indeed
 
The is no moral victory in losing.

Saying this India lost the test matches in which Bumrah was playing!

Always a silver lining!

India totally fluked a draw. They beat a 10-man team to level a series!

Another asterisk for Indian cricket.
I know your frustration to come up with this,law of averages always keeps up with the pace
Last test we too were literally playing with 10 players,Pant was injured and was immediately released after the test
 
Commiserations to all India haters and baiters (OP's a reformed character and excluded from the group)
OP- it aint over till fat lady's (not Azam Khan) stopped singing!
 
India played 2 spinners would they have bowled first.
Jadeja is a spinner in name only. Even Gill doesn't trust him to pick wickets in away tests. He is played more as a batsman in away tests. Same for Sundar.
 
Thats why I was in favour of Kuldeep being picked as a specialist spinner.
 
Definitely lords result will change.even in this game, if eng played first they must have rolled out for 150.All the ftbs were batting like clowns whenever ball was moving.
I fear for these FTBs come Ashes.
 
Jadeja is a spinner in name only. Even Gill doesn't trust him to pick wickets in away tests. He is played more as a batsman in away tests. Same for Sundar.
Then surely Kuldeep should have played instead of one of Washington or Jadeja.
 
Yeah and India wasn't deprived of the no 1 fast bowler and no 1 WK-batsman in the world hahaha.

When will Pak win a SENA test next?
But who told Bumrah to be a sissy coward? His deprivation is a self-inflicted problem. If you don’t play when you’re not injured, how is it anyone’s problem?
 
Then surely Kuldeep should have played instead of one of Washington or Jadeja.
Indeed.

But the likes of Gambhir are too fixated on backing bowlers who could score some useful runs lower down the order rather than bowlers who could take wickets, ala Duncan Fletcher.
 
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