With one or two points separating each other it is going to get passed around. Also most teams are in experimental mode. So they won't worry about odd loss that will hurt their ranking. Neither Australia Nor India.
Since 2019, team don’t usually play their full sides in bilaterals, so the reliability of the ranking as an indicator has diminished. Don’t think this rule (top 2 ranked teams win) makes sense now.1987 - England were 1st and Windies were 2nd in 87. PAK 3rd and Australia 4th.
1992 - PAK were 2nd after Australia
1996 - SL were 5th I think. India was 3rd and PAK 4th
1999 - PAK were joint 4th with SL and England. SA - 1st, OZ - 2nd, WI - 3rd
2003 - OZ and SA were 1 and 2
2007 - OZ and SA were 1 and 2
2011 - OZ and India were 1 and 2
2015 - OZ and India were 1 and 2
2019 - ENG and India were 1 and 2
As you can see, since 1992 the teams that win the World Cup are ranked in the Top 2 usually(1996 being the exception)
Pakistan as favourites in 1996 and 1999 was never actually true.
Based on this at least, Pakistan actually have a chance this time.
Thats very true.
England will bomb out before semis and people overrating them are going to look silly.
What invincible juggernauts in 2015 to 2019? They got bashed around everywhere in 2015. Only 3 years of purple patch from 2016 to 2019 where they also lost to weak Lanka and and a dangerous Pakistan side en route to the final which they won by fluke.
Same thing happened before 2019 wc yet Pakistan beat the crap out of England in a crucial game prior to KOs which they missed out on due to run rate issue.
I have never seen any Pakistani fan claiming their win in the CT, 2017 a fluke. But they are the first ones usually to label victories by other teams a fluke.
It was a huge fluke. Nz deserved to be winners. Also nz fluked a semi final win in a 2 day game.
We dint have shaheen for the first few games. We had a trundler in Hassan Ali. Shaheen was peaking and ready to fire. As soon as he got integrate into the team we looked a very dangerous side as expected given we beat both finalists.@kron do you even read the things you write sometimes?
Because honestly they come off very childish & fanboyish at times, tell me how did Pak beat the crap out of Eng in a match they won merely by 14 runs!! I never heard before anybody claiming that victory was one sided or Pak absolutely dominated. Now if you would have claimed that Pak beat the crap out of Eng in ct 17 then obviously you would have been right since that was 100% ass whooping, completely unexpected but brutal execution from Pak.
The purple patch started from 15, immediately after the world cup disaster from the series against Nz where they completely changed their old outdated blueprint. They then lost a close series to Aus after the ashes but then defeated Pak with ease. So yes they actually had a dominating period of four years where they won everywhere except Ind. They didn't just win, they absolutely destroyed everyone on their path.
Funny how you keep discrediting everyone from Eng to Nz but somehow claim Pak deserved to qualify for knockout. Tell me how?why? Why didn't Pak qualify,who's to blame? Why didn't they try to win more convincingly against Nz & Afg,instead of making a slugfest? They were humiliated by a WI team who couldn't even defeat BD! They as usual got their traditional world cup beating from Ind, they would have been beaten to pulp by Aus also if not for that unexpected late burst from Sarfaraz & Wahab. When they knew their nrr was horrible why didn't they show more game awareness & intent in the last four matches to recover? They only beat SA convincingly but against Nz & Afg they seemed to be merely content for somehow winning. If you or any Pak supporter claim that they were unlucky that the Sri match got washed off due to rain then Srilankans can also claim the same,can't they? two of their matches got washed off, one of which was against BD, where they could have possibly won. How are you so sure Pak would have beaten Sri? Sri also could have won, afterall they won against Eng. Finally Ind/Nz match also got washed off, a match Nz could have won by all means. So this entire victim card is purely nonsense, Pak got into the mess due to their own incompetence, they couldn't win most of the matches convincingly whereas their defeats were heavily one sided. Pak ended up exactly where they deserved, not more not less.
I have to warn you, this is the last time I will tolerate such uneducated foolish "your" remarks.I had already warned you once before & you had apologized claiming you thought I was Indian which I am not. I don't want to make personal comments on anybody, but you are giving me the vibe of a juvenile teenager who has only recently discovered cricket & for whom Shaheen /Babar are the GOAT's & the rest of the world doesn't matter. If you have any constructive views to say then you are always welcome to debate, but if you keep taking dig on my nationality then don't bother to reply me. If you can't digest my remarks regarding your favorite team or player then tough luck. I am here to have constructive discussion & healthy debate, not childish fanboying for any certain team or player.
No offence meant. Without shaheen we were a lot weaker in the bowling department. When he was integrated into the side which happened later in the 2019 tournament, we really turned into a pretty formidable side hence I feel we were very unfortunate to have missed out on a semi final berth given how close we came to qualifying. Wahab shaheen in tandem with amir and shadab is a deadly attack for English conditions. No denying our poor run rates vs West indies cost us but shaheen dint play in those early games.
He is of course correct, nothing earth shattering here. Most of us have been saying the same thing for months.
You got fans like mamoon and others parading like this was an elite ODI outfit.Got to the number 1 ranking after beating weak and weakened teams.
The reality is there now for all to see.
Sad times
Do you still believe Rauf deserves a higher rank than Siraj?
Definitely should be some kind of points modifier for opponent strength, it would make the rankings more in line with reality.
yeah it was. Most of kept saying that but were told we are Indian trolls. But Pakistan is beter than what they are showing in this WC. They are a solid mid tier team and with Eng struggling and SA being suspect they should be challenging that 4th Semi spot. What is hurting them is poor captancy, lack of one good spinner and extremely poor approach to batting.. Little bit of intent and common sense would have gotten them 320 on this pitch easily
We also don't get to play in India especially ipl which hampers our ability to get used to conditions.
While I agree that Pak lacks an overall good bench strength, I don’t buy into the ‘not playing in IPL’ excuse - Indian pitches are not rocket science for any subcontinental team. Most pitches in India are similar to white ball pitches in any other country - flat roads. While a couple others have spongy bounce, Dharamshala has swing and others like Chennai and Lucknow are spin friendly but not square turners of the like you get in Bangladesh.
Yeah they have certainly been lethal in this World Cup.
What do you think now?
Most of the comments here didn't age well. I still remember everyone doing a bhrangra and I was constantly telling them this is no where close to the strongest squad in history.
Are you sure?
It is so easy to quote on old posts to make your point.
You had your bit of luck against NZ, and winning the Toss against SA.
So pakistan is only the 4th best side in the world from a hypothetical standpoint? So basically you just admitted it's your own fantasy?
India
They were on course I tell you…
Sri Lanka need to get their act together. Embarrassing to see a side with the talent they possess not being able to form a proper, consistent side!
Australia did not make it to semi-finals but Afghanistan did.
Top prediction mate .
Australia also beat England and didn't lose to every Tom dick and Harry in the world cup.
Not a top prediction mate. Actually, Pak got exposed much before the WC started. ie during Asia Cup.
Not nz. Pakistan is better than nz in odi. Rest I agree.
There is no remedy for delusion. Then there are some fans, who intentionally spread propaganda in order to make their favourite players appear better than they really are. Pakistan achieved the no.1 ranking by whitewashing a depleted New Zealand side during their home series during the IPL. Same NZ had beaten them 2-1 months back a few months prior to this series. However, some fans could not see or refused to acknowledge this fact. The past 8-9 months have made such fans look like fools. On a side note, I did not expect Pakistan to perform this poorly.
How? NZ were played 2015 and 2019 world final. They were also qualified for Semifinal of 2023 world cup .
I expected pakistan to perform poorly.
They lost to pakistan because their players got injured so the likes of sodhi came in, and pakistan decided to finally have some common sense and replace Imam with Fakhar.
Yea fair enough. I thought you meant right right now.
SA is the most inconsistent side in history.
Excellent post...... I haven't followed those series closely, so I can't say much but it's rare for people to watch and analyze matches as closely as you have. Most individuals usually jump on the bandwagon without truly understanding the nuances of the game. POTW for me.
I disagree with you here. South Africa may have experienced some inconsistency in recent years. However, they were a consistently strong team from the 1990s to the mid 2010s. By 2016, they boasted the best win loss ratio in ODI cricket history amongst all teams.
What nightmare seasons are you talking about ?
I'm talking about his tournament runs.
I shouldn't have used the word In History. My bad.
Bro the main issue has always been the fact that Pakistan relies on miracle one hot wonders such as Abdullah shafiq aka a debutant coming out of the blue yo save Pakistan against Sri lanka along with rizzu in the wc, Or fakhar coming out of the blue to save Pakistan in CT or Saud Shakeel and sarfraz coming out of the blue to win the sri Lankan test series and Get Pakistan into QF.
Ah my bad. You were talking about T20Is while I was talking about ODIs.
To be fair to Indian cricket, Their fans are way way too harsh on them and way too impatient.
Agree with the broader strokes of your post. Although I fail to see the "butchering" that you referenced to in Zimbabwe. If you see referring to a one-off loss in a T20I game that was won 4-1 with zero close games I'd not call it a butchering. Also as far as Jaiswal is concerned he avg 70 in the Zim series at a strike rate of 166. Hardly terrible numbers those.
I meant the butchering for that one off game, not for the series.
Got your point regarding throwing them into the open,
worst part is BCCI still sticking with Dube after such a horrible performance in the World Cup.
Dube wasn't that bad in the world cup lol. He played well. But he's medicore and it's a suprise he's being played considering the country is India and not pakistan
Dube came good after a tepid start. To his credit the first 3 matches were played on the worst batting wicker in the whole tournament.
They got hammered by India which hurt their confidence I reckon.
Agreed. I like how @mominsaigol is impartial in general and his analysis is always fair.
Not really. Kphli is washed in tests since 2020. He averages 28
Yea you do know kohli and rohit lost a game or 2 to zimboks. In their peaks.
Dube is not bad. But yea india can do way better.
