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Congratulations to Pakistan on fluking the T20I series against New Zealand!

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Let's be real. Small grounds, mickey mouse cricket, NZ relaxed, second-string team, No Munro, etc.

Pakistan didn't deserve to win. We got lucky. :uks
 
We will continue to lose series after series against the top sides etc etc
 
Malik got injured. Hafeez broke up with Mickey. Hence Pakistan won. Not everyday will seniors be dropped.
 
Luckily NZ provided us with batting wickets and we won. Certainly a fluke... [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 
But but these aren't "classic NZ conditions", if this series took place on Pluto where the ball would be seaming and swinging miles then we would be exposed.
 
The NZ series fluke is the new 1992 World Cup. It will continue to be worshipped for the next 3000 years
 
Finally a flukey thread for this series ! I am sure everyone is waiting for some posters to come over and enlighten us on this fluke series win and fluke number 1 ranking ... and also to let us know how Indian team is the next best thing after sliced bread!
 
Always said this current NZ side is average at best. This T20 series totally exposed NZ and their reliance of players like Guptil and Munro and Boult.

Anyway it's good time to forget 0-5 thrashing by the same team couple of days ago and we need to celebrate this series win. We are surely going to win the next world cup in England.
 
Haha good one. Good series win. Only need some power hitters and we could win the next world T20.
 
Not a fluke, NZ got a bit relaxed & Pakistan showed their tendency to fight back. Pitch in the 2nd T20 was suited for our batsmen but it wasn't that easy to score fast today when Pakistan came in to bat. Zaman, Babar & Sarfi showed good patience & game awareness to build a good foundation.
 
Ross Taylor was not out. He would be won it for New Zealand, we still lost 5-0, t20 rankings don't matter etcetera
 
All jokes aside, as I said before the series, Pakistan have a better shot in this format because the t20 has been settled for a while now. We have been a top class T20 side for a long, long time and tonnes of players suited to the format.

Great stuff from "the boys" and I'm curious where they go now? What's the next series? Any tests before ENgland?
 
We won in fun t20 cricket, but lost where it mattered, actually not only lost got destroyed 5-0.

No series are ever looked back on based on T20s the scorecard and result are irrelevant. People will always remember 5-0 loss in an ODI series.

Is this what it's come to? Our batsmen can only play well in fun cricket, and only when the other teams best bowlers bowl a maximum of 4 overs each are we able to make runs.

Our ODI cricket needs some serious improvement, there's nothing to praise here, unless you're satisfied with 2 t20 wins from everything played which means you have a very small threshold for satisfaction.
 
We won in fun t20 cricket, but lost where it mattered, actually not only lost got destroyed 5-0.

No series are ever looked back on based on T20s the scorecard and result are irrelevant. People will always remember 5-0 loss in an ODI series.

Is this what it's come to? Our batsmen can only play well in fun cricket, and only when the other teams best bowlers bowl a maximum of 4 overs each are we able to make runs.

Our ODI cricket needs some serious improvement, there's nothing to praise here, unless you're satisfied with 2 t20 wins from everything played which means you have a very small threshold for satisfaction.

I understand bro, you haven’t ever heard an old famous song of Shamshad Begum -

“Khain pe nigahe, kahin pe nishana......”
 
Nobody in cricket world actually rates T20's. Infact Indias' T20 win in 2007 destroyed our test cricket for the next decade thanks to IPL .

Anyways, congratulations to Pakistan fans as you are no.1 in T20Is (credit wheres due).
 
So are bilateral ODIs in that case

Bilateral ODis well established. Commercially it is still a go to format. I am not a fan of either. But for commercial reasons they still have it. Teams field their best XI. With T20 they use mainly for experimenting. Teams don't take it seriously.
 
NZ would beat us 8 times if we played them 10 times. We got lucky that those 2 times happened in this series.

Then they should've won today if the probability works 8 out of 10 times.
Pakistan in Sarfaraz captaincy has played 17 T20s since Sep. 2016, and won 14, losing 3.

Never thought winning 14 out of 17 matches for 2 years consistently, is a fluke!!!
This is his 3rd away series win.

Some Akmal, Misbah and Malik fans cried when Pakistan won against West Indies, Sri Lanka that Pakistan would be bashed by the top 5. Now Pakistan has defeated no.1 T20 team and become no.1 , they're still crying that its a fluke. When Sarfaraz won the first T20 against England that was also called a fluke.

Now the more they cry and mourn the more I enjoy it, means some good times to continue.
 
Pakistan got to #1 T20 ranking by beating WI like a million times and fluking some wins against better teams.

On a high scoring pitch, top teams like NZ and England will demolish Pakistan as we do not have batsmen to score 150+ in T20s. Need batsmen like KL Rahul and Pandya to be the top team.
 
If only we could stop catering to "seniors" and play a side based on merit and potential....
 
Then they should've won today if the probability works 8 out of 10 times.
Pakistan in Sarfaraz captaincy has played 17 T20s since Sep. 2016, and won 14, losing 3.

Never thought winning 14 out of 17 matches for 2 years consistently, is a fluke!!!
This is his 3rd away series win.

Some Akmal, Misbah and Malik fans cried when Pakistan won against West Indies, Sri Lanka that Pakistan would be bashed by the top 5. Now Pakistan has defeated no.1 T20 team and become no.1 , they're still crying that its a fluke. When Sarfaraz won the first T20 against England that was also called a fluke.

Now the more they cry and mourn the more I enjoy it, means some good times to continue.

You’ve missed the point completely :))
 
Not someone who jumps on T20 successes but can not ignore the fact that our youngsters are really stepping up and all the useless seniors got kicked out of the team. These things are even more pleasant than the victory itself.
 
Pakistan got to #1 T20 ranking by beating WI like a million times and fluking some wins against better teams.

On a high scoring pitch, top teams like NZ and England will demolish Pakistan as we do not have batsmen to score 150+ in T20s. Need batsmen like KL Rahul and Pandya to be the top team.

Pakistan scored 150+ in their last two games :s
 
if only we didn't have Hafeez, Malik and Azhar in the ODI series- perhaps we could have had some flukes there too

good T20 win- ends the tour on a good note. especially important going into a 3 month long break now
 
All I wanted was hafeez to not be associated with any victory on this tour. That trumps everything for me. Huge ramifications going forward
 
After seeing how hard Pakistan has fought to win the t20 series it's very disrespectful to call it a fluke. Sarfraz didn't want a single mistake from the bowlers and they tried their best, obviously they will get hit for boundaries-the other team is here to play as well. As supporters, calling their performances a fluke is disgraceful considering the hard work they have done under pressure. Wins trophies...eh fluke.....wins series...eh fluke.....some fans you are. We didn't win the CT by a fluke. Fakhar didn't get a 100 by fluke, unlike kohli he made good use of the chance he was given. Amir didn't get 3 big wickets by fluke- planning and skills were behind those. It's not like we got lucky we also had a runout after a big partnership but we didn't collapse, we continued to bat well to get to 338. We didn't win against Eng by 8 wicket with a fluke. The point is sure somethings went our way but that's the case for every team-we just capitalized on those chances unlike others. It's also disrespectful to the opposition as well to say they were convincingly defeated by a fluke . IK this thread is being sarcastic but i thought i should give my thought on this fluke thing.
 
Nobody in cricket world actually rates T20's. Infact Indias' T20 win in 2007 destroyed our test cricket for the next decade thanks to IPL .

Anyways, congratulations to Pakistan fans as you are no.1 in T20Is (credit wheres due).

I know exactly where you're coming from. T20s has harmed and continues to harm Test Cricket. I can only hope there's some respite in T20s, but as things stand, they're the most popular format.
 
I feel proud seeing this thread. I have inspired a lot of posters. We got this! My fluke-o-meter is predicting more wins. :ashwin
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] please report to this thread :)) :))

1) NZ are a far better team then Pakistan who will beat us 8/10 times - it just so happened the the two attempts happened on this tour!

3) No Pakistani player has the aura and personality of Kane Williamson which has played a huge part in his rise as a cricketer.

3) Our fans heads are in a cloud - they will come back to reality when we play Australia in Perth and fiery, bouncy and seaming wickets.

4) We are finished!
 
We sure have a habit of fluking quite a bit.



Slap on face of arm chair experts who become "busy" as soon as Pak start doing well.
 
Pak played well and won. Munro may or may not h e changed the outcome. All ifs and buts.
 
All jokes aside, as I said before the series, Pakistan have a better shot in this format because the t20 has been settled for a while now. We have been a top class T20 side for a long, long time and tonnes of players suited to the format.

Great stuff from "the boys" and I'm curious where they go now? What's the next series? Any tests before ENgland?

"The boys"??? :rp

Why is it always the Pak cricket players to be referred to as "the boys"?
 
Wow, some of the bitter children posting in this thread! Pakistan beat the best T20 team in the world in their back yards..twice...convincingly. Congrats to them.
 
Come on, your team won fair and square on merit.

Wow, some of the bitter children posting in this thread! Pakistan beat the best T20 team in the world in their back yards..twice...convincingly. Congrats to them.

Nope these were flukes because I am a pp expert and I have studied stats and philosophy for like 5 months and I know a fluke when I see one. This is a fluke because Munro wasn't playing and NZ dropped catches and Pakistanis hit too many sixes.
 
Nope these were flukes because I am a pp expert and I have studied stats and philosophy for like 5 months and I know a fluke when I see one. This is a fluke because Munro wasn't playing and NZ dropped catches and Pakistanis hit too many sixes.

Relax :) Mamoon is good at heart. He works as the devils advocate in PP, which keeps people on toes.

Besides, he can always gets away with this one - T20 series was played between top 2 ranked teams, parted by 1 point at start; nothing fluke in 2-1. CT was won by a team 8th ranked, and destroyed in 1st game ......

If you keep doing this, he'll stop posting here, and we'll miss a wonderful poster :(
 
All jokes aside, as I said before the series, Pakistan have a better shot in this format because the t20 has been settled for a while now. We have been a top class T20 side for a long, long time and tonnes of players suited to the format.

Great stuff from "the boys" and I'm curious where they go now? What's the next series? Any tests before ENgland?

Uhmm no not really.
Yes since Sarfaraz has taken over we have again become a seriously good T20 side BUT under Afridi we were trash. He really dragged us down with himself!
 
Relax :) Mamoon is good at heart. He works as the devils advocate in PP, which keeps people on toes.

Besides, he can always gets away with this one - T20 series was played between top 2 ranked teams, parted by 1 point at start; nothing fluke in 2-1. CT was won by a team 8th ranked, and destroyed in 1st game ......

If you keep doing this, he'll stop posting here, and we'll miss a wonderful poster :(

Haha wonderful?
Hes biased to the top.
Cant appreciate a team doing well.
 
Relax :) Mamoon is good at heart. He works as the devils advocate in PP, which keeps people on toes.

Besides, he can always gets away with this one - T20 series was played between top 2 ranked teams, parted by 1 point at start; nothing fluke in 2-1. CT was won by a team 8th ranked, and destroyed in 1st game ......

If you keep doing this, he'll stop posting here, and we'll miss a wonderful poster :(

You sure ?

Any cricketing achievement by Pakistan is always undermined, and India is glorified to no limit.
 
Haha wonderful?
Hes biased to the top.
Cant appreciate a team doing well.

He is a wonderful poster - read his posts which doesn't get under some soft skins.

He isn't biased, rather a rebellion - there are people who loves to go against the wind. Appreciation is difficult for him because I suffer the same for few !d!ots here - every time he appreciates anything (or criticizes in proper spirit), people'll bring his past comments without context and make things complex for him.

I wrote in that "fluke" thread - was Greece's EURO win in 2004 a fluke? - may be. Undeserving - no way. In a small cricket world of 6/7 serious team, if you are 8th (last) ranked entry and win the tournament facing 4 elimination games, it must be credited.

BUT, be honest with you (every PAK posters) - after the IND game, at what stake people would have put money for PAK - may be 1:100 odd or even lower. Still team won, to their credit; but on betting terms - it was indeed a fluke, not even odd.
 
Nope these were flukes because I am a pp expert and I have studied stats and philosophy for like 5 months and I know a fluke when I see one. This is a fluke because Munro wasn't playing and NZ dropped catches and Pakistanis hit too many sixes.

LOL, I know what you're doing here. Did the Pak team ask the Kiwis to drop catches or not play Munro?
 
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Yes indeed this was a good fluke, we will be seeing many more flukes once the professor and company leave.
 
Congrats. T20 is no test cricket but it is an important and popular format of the game and winning it does matter! It's totally different from the other two formats of the game and Pakistan has been a strong T20 side right from the beginning. This was much needed for Pakistan after what happened in the ODI series. This will definitely boost the morale of the team and ease the tension in the dressing room.

BUT I don't understand some people dragging in a particular member of this forum every time Pakistan wins a game. Yes he is a bit harsh with his words/criticism sometimes but I've always felt that he's someone who understands Pakistan cricket very well and his analysis is often spot on. And I don't see anyone proving him wrong when he says something. Starting threads like these is not how you prove someone wrong. Threads like these are definitely affecting the high standards that are otherwise maintained on this forum.
 
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You sure ?

Any cricketing achievement by Pakistan is always undermined, and India is glorified to no limit.

That's because, exactly opposite is equally over blown by most here.

And, you guys don't know how to argue with him - put context to the argument, he'll accept. I normally don't get into these - but used just one liner once, and it ended there. It was for Yasir's 10 wicket at Lord's ...... dry wicket, under strength Pom team, sunny summer ....... every thing accepted, but on same wicket Pom dibley-dobley Woakes took 11 wickets and Yasir took 6 on Day 2 .......

I give you a classic example - someone posted that this PAK batting lineup would post 280+ every time against BD spinners at Mirpur - because of MoHa & Malik's monstrous spin play.... now, if I bring MoHa's stats against us - people will go to 3 ICC Cups, 15 years run, ODI ranking ....... even that last T20 game at Eden.

Give him a reverse psychology - start to undermine every PAK achievements, you'll see the fun. For example, read his recent posts on Ahmed and go back few years ....:)
 
Relax :) Mamoon is good at heart. He works as the devils advocate in PP, which keeps people on toes.

Besides, he can always gets away with this one - T20 series was played between top 2 ranked teams, parted by 1 point at start; nothing fluke in 2-1. CT was won by a team 8th ranked, and destroyed in 1st game ......

If you keep doing this, he'll stop posting here, and we'll miss a wonderful poster :(

I honestly don't concern myself with what mamoon does. He's usually busy when Pakistan does well. Wait till hindustan wins a game or Pakistan loses one and he will be here. I am just using my fluke-o-meter to predict future fluke wins.

LOL, I know what you're doing here. Did the Pak team ask the Kiwis to drop catches or not play Munro?

Yes maybe a bit of both and also they bowled so Pakistanis could hit more sixes.
 
These *Fluke* threads remind me of the old debate on Poker, and whether poker players get lucky or is it skill. Once you remind people that the same selection of top Poker players end up in the top 20 every season, they stop, think, and concede that Poker is more to do with skill than luck.

It's the same in Cricket. Every so often you need a bit of luck, but for the majority it is skill that perseveres.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

Getting blasted is standard procedure for me. It is not a matter of days, weeks or months - it has been going around for years and years, and these days people sign up only to have a go at me, and certain dead souls resurrect from the graves under different handles to settle old scores. I try to let it slide like water from a duck's back, otherwise I would have quit years ago.

I will leave this forum one day but on my terms. There is a time and place for everything. Unfortunately, people only hear what they want to hear - they only look at message you are conveying without understanding the rationale behind your message.

I can somewhat relate with you to an extent. This 'xx was a fluke' reminds of your post where you claimed that Pakistan would be fighting with Nepal, Uganda, Kenya etc. etc. for the 2023 World Cup qualification. For years, people have given you stick for that post, without attempting to understand the logic behind your statement and the conditions that statement was made.

It has been 4 months now, and I am yet to come across a convincing argument to why the Champions Trophy was not a fluke. I think people are more annoyed by the word 'fluke' rather than the reasoning behind it. However, it can be explained in other ways. It was an extremely rare event where a low-skilled team gets the better of three superior teams in consecutive games.

It can happen, but it is an extremely rare event. Same Pakistan team in the same conditions would not win the Champions Trophy 9/10 times. For me, that is the definition of a fluke. People like to troll by giving examples of India fluking the 2011 World Cup because of the x number of dropped catches in the SF, but that Indian team would win the World Cup 8/10 in subcontinent conditions, if not 10/10.

Unfortunately, my belief was only validated by the hiding that we got in NZ, and we will get a similar hiding if we face India, England, Australia and South Africa in an ODI series anywhere.

The Champions Trophy does not mean that every Pakistan win in the future would be a fluke. This New Zealand T20 team is not that great. Half of their batting is dependent on the man who did not play today, and the other half was the man who took NZ close. Besides, the short boundaries lowered the gap between the two teams.

The likes of Sarfraz and Babar (Second T20) and Amin today scored at a rate that is quicker than their standard capabilities. PPers are doing bhangra over Amin's 300 SR, but it was built on some lollipop deliveries that even U-19 players will deposit on these grounds, not to mention the early reprieve that he got and the overall sloppy fielding of NZ which was uncharacteristic.

Amin is an ODI player not a T20 player. As far as Haris is concerned, I think he can be a capable hitter in this format. His main problem is his lack of stamina which has prevented him from playing big knocks in ODIs. However, in T20s, if he decides to take on the bowling from ball one, he can be as good an impact player as anyone in this Pakistan team.

Nonetheless, this T20 series should not distract us from the fact that this batting lineup is not good enough in the grand scheme of things. People have their eyes on the WT20 because of the x number of successive series wins, but this batting lineup will not take the team beyond the SF, and flukes do not happen all the time.
 
Nonetheless, this T20 series should not distract us from the fact that this batting lineup is not good enough in the grand scheme of things. People have their eyes on the WT20 because of the x number of successive series wins, but this batting lineup will not take the team beyond the SF, and flukes do not happen all the time.

Why should the batting lineup matter when you consider every Pakistan win a fluke anyway?

On the flip side if the batting line up was awesome/perfect, bowling was top quality notch, you would then claim every Pakistan win was fixed - instead of fluke.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

Getting blasted is standard procedure for me. It is not a matter of days, weeks or months - it has been going around for years and years, and these days people sign up only to have a go at me, and certain dead souls resurrect from the graves under different handles to settle old scores. I try to let it slide like water from a duck's back, otherwise I would have quit years ago.

I will leave this forum one day but on my terms. There is a time and place for everything. Unfortunately, people only hear what they want to hear - they only look at message you are conveying without understanding the rationale behind your message.

I can somewhat relate with you to an extent. This 'xx was a fluke' reminds of your post where you claimed that Pakistan would be fighting with Nepal, Uganda, Kenya etc. etc. for the 2023 World Cup qualification. For years, people have given you stick for that post, without attempting to understand the logic behind your statement and the conditions that statement was made.

It has been 4 months now, and I am yet to come across a convincing argument to why the Champions Trophy was not a fluke. I think people are more annoyed by the word 'fluke' rather than the reasoning behind it. However, it can be explained in other ways. It was an extremely rare event where a low-skilled team gets the better of three superior teams in consecutive games.

It can happen, but it is an extremely rare event. Same Pakistan team in the same conditions would not win the Champions Trophy 9/10 times. For me, that is the definition of a fluke. People like to troll by giving examples of India fluking the 2011 World Cup because of the x number of dropped catches in the SF, but that Indian team would win the World Cup 8/10 in subcontinent conditions, if not 10/10.

Unfortunately, my belief was only validated by the hiding that we got in NZ, and we will get a similar hiding if we face India, England, Australia and South Africa in an ODI series anywhere.

The Champions Trophy does not mean that every Pakistan win in the future would be a fluke. This New Zealand T20 team is not that great. Half of their batting is dependent on the man who did not play today, and the other half was the man who took NZ close. Besides, the short boundaries lowered the gap between the two teams.

The likes of Sarfraz and Babar (Second T20) and Amin today scored at a rate that is quicker than their standard capabilities. PPers are doing bhangra over Amin's 300 SR, but it was built on some lollipop deliveries that even U-19 players will deposit on these grounds, not to mention the early reprieve that he got and the overall sloppy fielding of NZ which was uncharacteristic.

Amin is an ODI player not a T20 player. As far as Haris is concerned, I think he can be a capable hitter in this format. His main problem is his lack of stamina which has prevented him from playing big knocks in ODIs. However, in T20s, if he decides to take on the bowling from ball one, he can be as good an impact player as anyone in this Pakistan team.

Nonetheless, this T20 series should not distract us from the fact that this batting lineup is not good enough in the grand scheme of things. People have their eyes on the WT20 because of the x number of successive series wins, but this batting lineup will not take the team beyond the SF, and flukes do not happen all the time.
Haris is not a T20 player. Babar and Haris cannot play in the same T20 line-up. We need Hussain Talat to lift his game a notch in the PSL to replace either of these gentlemen

Harsh call on Umar Amin. While he may never play with a SR of 300, but he took on the no.1 T20 bowler in the world and changed the game. Should be given credit at the end of the day. Not a long term solution to Pakistan's middle-order batting woes though. Sohaib Maqsood, if he's improved his tullaybaaz temperament, should replace him easily.
 
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

This series victory was always going to be a fluke, it always is when we beat a good team :))
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

Getting blasted is standard procedure for me. It is not a matter of days, weeks or months - it has been going around for years and years, and these days people sign up only to have a go at me, and certain dead souls resurrect from the graves under different handles to settle old scores. I try to let it slide like water from a duck's back, otherwise I would have quit years ago.

I will leave this forum one day but on my terms. There is a time and place for everything. Unfortunately, people only hear what they want to hear - they only look at message you are conveying without understanding the rationale behind your message.

I can somewhat relate with you to an extent. This 'xx was a fluke' reminds of your post where you claimed that Pakistan would be fighting with Nepal, Uganda, Kenya etc. etc. for the 2023 World Cup qualification. For years, people have given you stick for that post, without attempting to understand the logic behind your statement and the conditions that statement was made.

It has been 4 months now, and I am yet to come across a convincing argument to why the Champions Trophy was not a fluke. I think people are more annoyed by the word 'fluke' rather than the reasoning behind it. However, it can be explained in other ways. It was an extremely rare event where a low-skilled team gets the better of three superior teams in consecutive games.

It can happen, but it is an extremely rare event. Same Pakistan team in the same conditions would not win the Champions Trophy 9/10 times. For me, that is the definition of a fluke. People like to troll by giving examples of India fluking the 2011 World Cup because of the x number of dropped catches in the SF, but that Indian team would win the World Cup 8/10 in subcontinent conditions, if not 10/10.

Unfortunately, my belief was only validated by the hiding that we got in NZ, and we will get a similar hiding if we face India, England, Australia and South Africa in an ODI series anywhere.

The Champions Trophy does not mean that every Pakistan win in the future would be a fluke. This New Zealand T20 team is not that great. Half of their batting is dependent on the man who did not play today, and the other half was the man who took NZ close. Besides, the short boundaries lowered the gap between the two teams.

The likes of Sarfraz and Babar (Second T20) and Amin today scored at a rate that is quicker than their standard capabilities. PPers are doing bhangra over Amin's 300 SR, but it was built on some lollipop deliveries that even U-19 players will deposit on these grounds, not to mention the early reprieve that he got and the overall sloppy fielding of NZ which was uncharacteristic.

Amin is an ODI player not a T20 player. As far as Haris is concerned, I think he can be a capable hitter in this format. His main problem is his lack of stamina which has prevented him from playing big knocks in ODIs. However, in T20s, if he decides to take on the bowling from ball one, he can be as good an impact player as anyone in this Pakistan team.

Nonetheless, this T20 series should not distract us from the fact that this batting lineup is not good enough in the grand scheme of things. People have their eyes on the WT20 because of the x number of successive series wins, but this batting lineup will not take the team beyond the SF, and flukes do not happen all the time.

The World T20 is 2 years away - a lot can happen between now and then.
 
Ordinarily i put little stock in t20's, but this was a rather unique situation where we played the same opposition that has rolled us over the last 6 games. For sure Pakistan has batting issues in odi's,but I think we will sort them out.
 
The way Mamoon talks it’s as though we have no hope and should just quit playing cricket.

It’s just a matter of getting the right kind of players in and we will be well on our way to becoming a top side. But noooo we are mediocre and will continue to stay mediocre
 
The way Mamoon talks it’s as though we have no hope and should just quit playing cricket.

It’s just a matter of getting the right kind of players in and we will be well on our way to becoming a top side. But noooo we are mediocre and will continue to stay mediocre

This is a generic statement that holds true for Germany, Thailand, Switzerland or Congo as well - put a good system in place, get the right kind of players and one day you will be a top side.

Unfortunately we have been talking about this for years now but nothing has happened and nothing will happen in the future. We won the WT20 2009, everything became a field of roses and then we got a reality check in SL.

We won the Champions Trophy, we became the so-called best team in the world, and then the NZ ODI series happened. Pakistani fans deserve these reality checks because they never learn.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

Getting blasted is standard procedure for me. It is not a matter of days, weeks or months - it has been going around for years and years, and these days people sign up only to have a go at me, and certain dead souls resurrect from the graves under different handles to settle old scores. I try to let it slide like water from a duck's back, otherwise I would have quit years ago.

I will leave this forum one day but on my terms. There is a time and place for everything. Unfortunately, people only hear what they want to hear - they only look at message you are conveying without understanding the rationale behind your message.

I can somewhat relate with you to an extent. This 'xx was a fluke' reminds of your post where you claimed that Pakistan would be fighting with Nepal, Uganda, Kenya etc. etc. for the 2023 World Cup qualification. For years, people have given you stick for that post, without attempting to understand the logic behind your statement and the conditions that statement was made.

It has been 4 months now, and I am yet to come across a convincing argument to why the Champions Trophy was not a fluke. I think people are more annoyed by the word 'fluke' rather than the reasoning behind it. However, it can be explained in other ways. It was an extremely rare event where a low-skilled team gets the better of three superior teams in consecutive games.

It can happen, but it is an extremely rare event. Same Pakistan team in the same conditions would not win the Champions Trophy 9/10 times. For me, that is the definition of a fluke. People like to troll by giving examples of India fluking the 2011 World Cup because of the x number of dropped catches in the SF, but that Indian team would win the World Cup 8/10 in subcontinent conditions, if not 10/10.

Unfortunately, my belief was only validated by the hiding that we got in NZ, and we will get a similar hiding if we face India, England, Australia and South Africa in an ODI series anywhere.

The Champions Trophy does not mean that every Pakistan win in the future would be a fluke. This New Zealand T20 team is not that great. Half of their batting is dependent on the man who did not play today, and the other half was the man who took NZ close. Besides, the short boundaries lowered the gap between the two teams.

The likes of Sarfraz and Babar (Second T20) and Amin today scored at a rate that is quicker than their standard capabilities. PPers are doing bhangra over Amin's 300 SR, but it was built on some lollipop deliveries that even U-19 players will deposit on these grounds, not to mention the early reprieve that he got and the overall sloppy fielding of NZ which was uncharacteristic.

Amin is an ODI player not a T20 player. As far as Haris is concerned, I think he can be a capable hitter in this format. His main problem is his lack of stamina which has prevented him from playing big knocks in ODIs. However, in T20s, if he decides to take on the bowling from ball one, he can be as good an impact player as anyone in this Pakistan team.

Nonetheless, this T20 series should not distract us from the fact that this batting lineup is not good enough in the grand scheme of things. People have their eyes on the WT20 because of the x number of successive series wins, but this batting lineup will not take the team beyond the SF, and flukes do not happen all the time.

If the Champions Trophy was a fluke, tell me what would be a fluke please? We beat SA pretty comfortably, trashed England who were strong favourites and humiliated India in the final by 180 runs. What margin of victories would be needed for it not to be a fluke because according to your logic, the way we won it clearly doesn't fulfil your criteria of not being a fluke.
 
Whenever India wins anything..they are daaaaaaaaa greaaaaaatest

Whenever Pakistan wins anything...it is a fluuuuuuuke
 
Haris is not a T20 player. Babar and Haris cannot play in the same T20 line-up. We need Hussain Talat to lift his game a notch in the PSL to replace either of these gentlemen

Harsh call on Umar Amin. While he may never play with a SR of 300, but he took on the no.1 T20 bowler in the world and changed the game. Should be given credit at the end of the day. Not a long term solution to Pakistan's middle-order batting woes though. Sohaib Maqsood, if he's improved his tullaybaaz temperament, should replace him easily.

Haris has more conviction in his shots than Amin and is a superior batsman overall. Nonetheless, we cannot carry both. However, that is exactly what is going to happen. Both have secured their places for now.
 
If the Champions Trophy was a fluke, tell me what would be a fluke please? We beat SA pretty comfortably, trashed England who were strong favourites and humiliated India in the final by 180 runs. What margin of victories would be needed for it not to be a fluke because according to your logic, the way we won it clearly doesn't fulfil your criteria of not being a fluke.

It is not about margin of victories. If the Champions Trophy was not a fluke, we would have proved it in the NZ ODI series. How does a team that won the Champions Trophy by thrashing SA, England and India in consecutive games, go to NZ (weaker team than all three) and get brutalized?

Please don't give me the excuse that we had TTFs etc. Same TTFs were in the Champions Trophy as well, and as far as getting acclimatized is concerned, we had more than enough time.

Anything that could go right in the Champions Trophy went right for us. Yes we played out of our skins, but a lot of factors that were outside our control also went in our favor. Every team needs some luck to win a tournament, but in our case, it played a big factor. I have explained it in detail multiple times in other threads, and I can do it again here, but people will get upset again.

The opinion that the Champions Trophy was not a fluke would have had some worth if we would not have lost 5-0 in NZ.

Nonetheless, I appreciate the conviction and persistence of some of our fans who continue to try and prove that the Champions Trophy was not a fluke in spite of the massive reality check that they have received over the last few weeks.
 
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