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Are we in a lockdown or not after two days of deliberations what have we got 

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[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]Directly or indirectly, Everyone is affected. All have suffered. And Mortalities are relatively low. Barring few random incidents here and there, Good job so far everyone. InshahAllah we will be in safe zone soon.
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] Is Sindh government hiding information on purpose or just a honest mistake?
Why are Karachi’s hospitals getting more DOAs, near-death patients?
When a 35-year-old woman was brought dead to the Jinnah Postgraduate Medical Centre’s (JPMC) emergency this past Saturday, the doctors on duty decided to get her chest X-rayed, because for the last several days, they had been observing an increase in the number of patients either being brought in dead or dying within hours of their arrival.
“The examination of the X-ray of the deceased woman revealed that there was a large patch on her lungs, which indicated that she was suffering from some kind of lower respiratory tract illness,” revealed the doctor on emergency duty.
“I sent the X-ray to a well-known pulmonologist, who is treating COVID-19 patients at a tertiary-care hospital, and his reply confirmed my fears. ‘It is most probably COVID pneumonia’ was the answer of the chest specialist.”
Besides the woman with the fluid-filled lungs, more than 300 such patients have been brought to different public and private hospitals in the past 15 days — all of them either dead on arrival (DOA) or extremely sick with “pneumonia-like symptoms”, who died within hours of their arrival, said health officials.
Unfortunately, they said, except for a few such patients whose bodies were sent for an X-ray, majority of the deceased were neither examined for ascertaining the cause of their death nor sent for a post-mortem examination.
Most likely causes of their deaths were “severe illnesses” — ranging from chronic liver disease, multiple organ failure and cardiopulmonary arrest to renal failure, pneumonia and even acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), added the officials.
“We started observing this trend by the end of last month, when we saw that the number of patients requiring emergency treatment had declined from 1,800-2,000 to 600-700 a day,” said the critical care specialist at the JPMC.
“But the number of people who either were dead on arrival or died within a couple of hours after their arrival increased with every passing day. Initially, we didn’t pay any heed, but now we’re seeing a pattern. And this is also being reported by other hospitals.”
He said he started noticing the unusual pattern of DOAs and near-death patients from March 31, when seven bodies were brought in — of which one death was due to a road accident — and seven other patients who were brought in alive died before they could be moved to the wards.
“The next day, seven more people were brought in dead and four died during treatment at the emergency. On April 2, seven again were brought in dead while seven died during treatment at the emergency,” said the doctor.
“During the next few days, the number of those brought in dead and those who died during treatment started rising. And on Monday, eight patients were brought in dead while eight died during treatment at the JPMC emergency.”
The emergency medicine specialist said that all these people were in the 45-60 age group, except for a few who were older and a few who were younger like the woman who was brought in dead with lung disease. People in this age group normally don’t die suddenly, he added.
“People between 45 and 60 years of age usually take a few days’ time, while some of them even respond to emergency treatment, but here we are witnessing a strange phenomenon.”
Since March 31, said emergency officials, 109 patients have been brought in dead and 90 who were alive when brought to the JPMC emergency but died mysteriously, and their bodies were handed over to their heirs without ascertaining their cause of death.
Other hospitals
Officials at other public and private hospitals showed reluctance in sharing data with The News on DOAs or on those who died during treatment at their emergencies. They, however, admitted that the number of cases with “pneumonia-like symptoms” is on the rise, and many of those being brought in dead have symptoms of pneumonia or ARDS, which is thought to be caused by the coronavirus.
An official at the Indus Hospital Karachi confirmed that the number of people with severe acute illness had increased during the past two and a half weeks, while daily two to four people were being brought dead to their emergency with pneumonia-like symptoms.
“Since we have a relatively smaller casualty compared to public hospitals, we refer such critically sick patients to either the JPMC or the Civil Hospital Karachi [CHK], while those who are brought in dead, their bodies are handed over to their families immediately.”
Similarly, an emergency care specialist at the National Institute of Cardiovascular Diseases confirmed receiving some patients who were either critically sick or were brought dead to their emergency.
The doctor said that instead of “classic symptoms of cardiac arrest”, those patients had respiratory and other illnesses, who either died before they could be shifted to other hospitals or were already dead when they were examined.
“Once a person is dead, their attendants and relatives hardly provide any history, and refuse to cooperate with the hospital administration. The staff on duty writes the cause of death on the death certificate without any detailed examination and as per the symptoms before handing over the body to the relatives. It’s very difficult to persuade the family for an autopsy to ascertain the cause of death.”
Officials at the city’s largest public hospital, the CHK, confirmed that the number of critically sick patients and DOAs had increased, but blamed it on the lockdown, saying that people were only bringing in their loved ones when it was absolutely necessary, resulting in the loss of several precious lives.
Sindh Health Department officials refused to comment on the report, but federal health authorities said that all of Pakistan’s 96 COVID-19 deaths, including 35 in Sindh, were brought in serious condition and “very late” to the hospitals, which also contributed to their passing away in addition to the lethal viral disease.
“Data indicates that patients with COVID-19 who have died spent only four days in hospitals and critical care units,” an official of the command & control centre on the novel coronavirus in Islamabad told The News. “This reveals that people are not opting for early treatment, and only go to the hospital when they are extremely sick.”
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/64...spitals-getting-more-doas-near-death-patients
I don't want to go in details and source but someone is playing a dirty game in Karachi. Families of deceased are being offered to record deaths under "Corona Deaths".
Read news report that the CM of some state in pakistan is saying as many as 300 patients arrived dead at the hospital with covid symptoms but aren't counted in casualties? How bad is the situation and how much cover up is going on guys?
I wouldn't believe that as the media is very pro active.
It's the CM himself who said it. Not sure which state. Apparently 20 percent of all tests returned positive too.
I very much doubt that as it would be all over media.
The chief minister said 66 news cases of the novel coronavirus were detected in the past day, while a total of 663 tests were conducted, which translates into a positive test rate of around 10pc. Three days ago, on April 11, the CM had sounded alarm when he revealed that 104 out of the 531 tests conducted in the province had turned out positive – a positive rate of 20pc – which he said was among the highest in the world.
Read news report that the CM of some state in pakistan is saying as many as 300 patients arrived dead at the hospital with covid symptoms but aren't counted in casualties? How bad is the situation and how much cover up is going on guys?
Besides the woman with the fluid-filled lungs, more than 300 such patients have been brought to different public and private hospitals in the past 15 days — all of them either dead on arrival (DOA) or extremely sick with “pneumonia-like symptoms”, who died within hours of their arrival, said health officials.
Feel free to doubt to but be sure I am not the cooking up these numbers
https://www.dawn.com/news/1549130
That's not quite what the CM said.
Yesterday, he said that there are some cases that they're unable to 100% be sure about but he thought they are likely to be victims of COVID-19. Those were around 15 in number. So he said that the casualties in Sindh may be 55 or so instead of 40.
The report around 300 patients is a news report which has been added above in this thread.
TBH there was also some charity foundation who help with burial that it has gone up by as much as 50 percent this month than usual so who knows? Sounds like a cover up to me.
I mean, who tests 500 samples a day when you have a positive rate of 15-20 percent?
Foundation head Faisal Edhi on Wednesday said that they received total 387 bodies from different areas and hospitals for burial at various graveyards from April 1 to April 13, 2020, as compared to the last year during the same period when the Edhi Foundation buried 230 bodies.
Deaths, I don't buy, it will be all over media, some may be but not in large number, about 20 percent it was true, said be Sindh CM , Some body on this very tread posted that Sindh is doing on average 600 test per day ,so I can see the 20percent number
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Was out around Johar, Karachi. Sindh govt's amazing lockdown sounds so great on tv cuz you don't go out. Everything's open and everyones out, without masks. <a href="https://t.co/HXT7AcdnQH">pic.twitter.com/HXT7AcdnQH</a></p>— Waqas (@waqas_x) <a href="https://twitter.com/waqas_x/status/1250750101217333250?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Do media allow the deaths to be hide ?why dont you "buy" it. Hiding deaths in Pakistan in the numbers we expect will and is not easy.
We expect deaths to rise.
Do media allow the deaths to be hide ?
Expecting death to rise is rational thinking with more cases coming everyday
Testing went up from just under 2000 yesterday to about 6000 today but the number of new cases only increased from 250 odd to 450ish. Encouraging signs
Bhutto will save them dont worry.
Under 500 increment is quite encourageing. Pak don't need to get relax.
I heard Pak is lifting lockdown, what strategy they are using?
A step increase in daily testing rate, but new positive cases is around the same range. This is for those people (read as experts) predicting 15-20k active cases in Pakistan 2 weeks back and saying we aren't testing enough.
Which people are tested? Is it random testing or testing those that have the symptons/been in touch with people who had corona. Thanks
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our value for profit over human life is driving our response to a health crisis. the federal government has its priorities wrong and the whole country could suffer as a result. Support our health care system. Support our laborers. Support those who need it most. 2/2</p>— BilawalBhuttoZardari (@BBhuttoZardari) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari/status/1251127260888928258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our value for profit over human life is driving our response to a health crisis. the federal government has its priorities wrong and the whole country could suffer as a result. Support our health care system. Support our laborers. Support those who need it most. 2/2</p>— BilawalBhuttoZardari (@BBhuttoZardari) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari/status/1251127260888928258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Testing is hitting 7000 tests a day but new cases is holding steady or falling. Last 3-4 days had an average of 450-500 cases, today to date it's 157.
24% of all patients have recovered. We got this Inshallah
Testing is hitting 7000 tests a day but new cases is holding steady or falling. Last 3-4 days had an average of 450-500 cases, today to date it's 157.
24% of all patients have recovered. We got this Inshallah
Yep 25k tests/day by the end of this month, but don't think they will be able to achieve it, anyways need to keep it increasing.Based on news articles, it seems like they are aiming for 25k tests a day.
Based on news articles, it seems like they are aiming for 25k tests a day.