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Indirectly, you've confirmed the point I was trying to make.

If the average person is afraid to go to a govt. hospital to be tested for the reasons you've outlined, and they have to pay (whether PKR 6,500 each you mentioned or the over PKR 20,000 my distant cousin paid for himself and his mother at a private lab, a not insignificant amount for the average person) it is quite likely that significant numbers who have symptoms will not go / could not afford to go and have covid-19 tests, thereby making nonsense of the official figures quoted.

Irrelevant as its the case all across the globe. These factors are not exclusive to Pakistan and can't be applied selectively for one country.

Official figures of +ve cases are never going to be 100% reflective of actual cases but I don't think official figures of deaths have statistically significant difference. Had there been a minor hiccup, Media and SM wouldn't have let it go without sensationalization.

Whether it is Luck or Well earned, we are happy with progress so far. Alhamdulillah.
 
Experts rule out repeat of Eidul Fitr virus outbreak

PESHAWAR: Experts have ruled out the possibility of a large-scale coronavirus outbreak on Eidul Azha like last Eidul Fitr saying a large number of people have recovered from the infection and developed immunity.

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa on Friday recorded five Covid-19 deaths, which took its overall tally of the people killed by the virus to 1,199.

According to a government report, 98 more new people were diagnosed with coronavirus in the province, so the total count of such local cases reached 34,056.

Prof Khalid Mahmood at the Lady Reading Hospital told Dawn that a spike in Covid-19 cases was unlikely to happen after Eidul Azha.

“Eidul Azha is a bit different from Eidul Fitr as socialising, shopping and greeting are not that common,” he said.

The expert also said hot and humid weather and immunity in those people, who had recovered from coronavirus, were going to prevent the virus spread in the community.

He said as 179 more patients had recovered, making an overall number of recovered people 28,629 (84 per cent).

“It is known that so far, the people who have recovered aren’t getting infection again due to the acquired immunity to the virus. The same is the case with many other viral diseases like measles and others.

“How long this immunity will last in recovered patients isn’t known, so race is on for vaccine development,” he said.

Prof Khalid said no concrete local data was available but as a wild guess, 20-30 per cent of the infection-prone and exposed population had had Covid-19, who were unlikely to contract the infection again due to immunity.

He said the population at risk had decreased, so the outbreak’s return may not be that bad.

CEO of Health Net Hospital Professor Mohammad Amjad Taqweem said ‘hot, sweaty and smelly’ whether won’t allow the Eidul Fitr like crowding on Eidul Azha and would provide protection against the virus.

“However, even small parties can prove dangerous. All gatherings, small or big carries risk. Pandemics have done this before. They become quiet, it appears as if they have died out but they come back. This pandemic is behaving exactly like the previous ones. I wish it disappears but the history tells it will come back with vengeance,” he said.

Vice-Chancellor of the Khyber Medical University Prof Ziaul Haq said the virus incidence was on the decline.

“We now know much about it, how to prevent, and manage it.”

The VC said many vaccine and treatment trials were under process.

“The Almighty Allah is so far very kind to Pakistan. Central and provincial governments, all public and private organisations, armed forces, police, business community, academia, print and electronic media, religious and political leaders from all sects, parties and most importantly the people with limited resources and a fragile health system have made themselves a role model for others,” he said.

He said Pakistan’s gains in the fight against Covid-19 was commendable but if SOPs were not followed on Eid and afterwards, cases could surge.

“As a public health specialist, I strongly recommend to community and government to not let your guard down, and it will be very unfortunate to loose from here. The same has happened with Spain and Australia where cases are again on rise,” he said.

The expert said we must not declare premature victory and continue living with ’new normal’, which included respiratory (mask for all, and cough and sneezing into arm or tissues with safe disposal) and hand hygiene (washing frequently with soap for at least 20 seconds).

Prof Zia asked the people to avoid visiting crowded places, shaking of hands and hugging, maintain six feet physical distance and follow all others home and workplace SOPs.

“Remember its not yet over until a vaccine or some tangible treatment is developed or virus lose its potency. We are near to victory line but need more efforts to reach there. The last round is the most difficult and frustrating one but don’t forget the golden proverb “all is well that’s ends well,” he said.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572217/experts-rule-out-repeat-of-eidul-fitr-virus-outbreak
 
Just 8 deaths. No time to be complacent. If you are feeling over confident then look at Australia's curve.
 
Irrelevant as its the case all across the globe. These factors are not exclusive to Pakistan and can't be applied selectively for one country.

Official figures of +ve cases are never going to be 100% reflective of actual cases but I don't think official figures of deaths have statistically significant difference. Had there been a minor hiccup, Media and SM wouldn't have let it go without sensationalization.

Whether it is Luck or Well earned, we are happy with progress so far. Alhamdulillah.
That then basically leaves one of two realistic options considering what's happing in other parts of the globe, including in Pakistan's neighbours to the East and West.

There's something unique about Pakistan's situation
or
The reality is very different to what officialdom is saying.

A bit like:

The number of deaths from coronavirus in Iran is nearly triple what Iran's government claims, a BBC Persian service investigation has found.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53598965
 
I think this virus has something to do with geography as well.I mean there has been absolutely near to zero social distancing and following of medical directions from last 3 months here in iok.

Mosques and markets are jam filled, even public transport vehicles are near to jam filled but still the no of cases have not increased beyond 300 a day, which is sort of unrealistic thing to happen. The same thing is happening in Pakistan, I would assume.

Or it could be we are just too lucky.
 
I think this virus has something to do with geography as well.I mean there has been absolutely near to zero social distancing and following of medical directions from last 3 months here in iok.

Mosques and markets are jam filled, even public transport vehicles are near to jam filled but still the no of cases have not increased beyond 300 a day, which is sort of unrealistic thing to happen. The same thing is happening in Pakistan, I would assume.

Or it could be we are just too lucky.



Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

Arthur Conan Doyle

I would eliminate 'luck' when it comes to a naion of over 200 million people in this particular instance.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sharp decline in COVID 19 cases with little impact on the economy. <a href="https://t.co/bLc4V0aHEw">pic.twitter.com/bLc4V0aHEw</a></p>— A (@_iamthelegend) <a href="https://twitter.com/_iamthelegend/status/1290371075591864320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I think this virus has something to do with geography as well.I mean there has been absolutely near to zero social distancing and following of medical directions from last 3 months here in iok.

Mosques and markets are jam filled, even public transport vehicles are near to jam filled but still the no of cases have not increased beyond 300 a day, which is sort of unrealistic thing to happen. The same thing is happening in Pakistan, I would assume.

Or it could be we are just too lucky.

Must be the waters of Indus
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sharp decline in COVID 19 cases with little impact on the economy. <a href="https://t.co/bLc4V0aHEw">pic.twitter.com/bLc4V0aHEw</a></p>— A (@_iamthelegend) <a href="https://twitter.com/_iamthelegend/status/1290371075591864320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lmao this is pretty boss pic

Hope it stays under control and economy booms
 
Interesting piece below. Basically a doctor in a Covid ward made a video diary over the past few months

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Close to 5000 recoveries.
Not to forget that many districts have not reported any new case in last 5-6 days.
Having said that, can't afford to be complacent. SOPs should be followed even after lifting the lockdown.
 
Close to 5000 recoveries.
Not to forget that many districts have not reported any new case in last 5-6 days.
Having said that, can't afford to be complacent. SOPs should be followed even after lifting the lockdown.

Doctor sahab impact of Eid should start showing by this coming weekend. If there is only a minor increase in new cases then we may have dodged a bullet. Next pitstop is Muharram jaloos.
 
Close to 5000 recoveries.
Not to forget that many districts have not reported any new case in last 5-6 days.
Having said that, can't afford to be complacent. SOPs should be followed even after lifting the lockdown.

do you believe they have tried a virus elimination policy rather than a contain one?

I presume there will be local lockdowns throughout the next year until a vaccine is found or the virus loses its potency.
 
do you believe they have tried a virus elimination policy rather than a contain one?

I presume there will be local lockdowns throughout the next year until a vaccine is found or the virus loses its potency.

Virus elimination was possible only when Covid was inside China. Once out of China, elimination was going to be almost impossible.

There is no way out except with Vaccine.

Exposure doesn't always lead to Infection. I think by now majority of Susceptible population (Working group, Socialising groups) have had exposure to Covid and a smaller fraction of exposed group actually got infected with Virus. This trend should hold for next wave as well.

For Punjab I can confirm but I think it was same in other provinces that MAJORITY of positive patients were contacted by Govt and had their family members tested for Covid-PCR free of cost. This is unprecedented.
 
pakistan new cases have nearly doubled since day before eid

Tests were reduced on EID as most of the staff would have been on Holiday. During 3-4 days of Eid holidays, 10k tests/day were done and now they are back to 24-25k tests/day.

Yday 24k+ tests were done and nearly 800 new cases, which gives a positivity rate of ~3.3% which is infact reduced rate from what it was before eid. There's nothing to worry about but next week or so will be crucial. Also with educational institutions opening soon and tourism & hospitality industry thrown open, i think we should expect cases to increase a bit.
 
We are testing 4 times less than India in per capita basis. Likely missing out on lot of asymptomatic Cases
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily positive percentage of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID%E3%83%BC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVIDー19</a> PCR tests performed at Chughtai Lab. <br><br>Let's all work together to make sure we don't let the virus spread again. <a href="https://t.co/WHhybeeU4W">pic.twitter.com/WHhybeeU4W</a></p>— Chughtai Lab - Official (@ChughtaiLab) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChughtaiLab/status/1291056996578361344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Masks have completely disappeared from people's faces. :facepalm:
 
We are testing 4 times less than India in per capita basis. Likely missing out on lot of asymptomatic Cases

That was true when we had a test positivity rate above 20%. It has now come down to 4-5%.
 
Tests were reduced on EID as most of the staff would have been on Holiday. During 3-4 days of Eid holidays, 10k tests/day were done and now they are back to 24-25k tests/day.

Yday 24k+ tests were done and nearly 800 new cases, which gives a positivity rate of ~3.3% which is infact reduced rate from what it was before eid. There's nothing to worry about but next week or so will be crucial. Also with educational institutions opening soon and tourism & hospitality industry thrown open, i think we should expect cases to increase a bit.

im going by the world stats for corona - and its states the 2/3 days before eid new cases were around 450-600 the first day we reported the stats after eid were just over 800 new cases
 
The virus has done more damage indirectly to peoples employment rather than to peoples health.

Many people have lost jobs. I have 1 relative who was earning money through a job and side business. His side business had to shut due to covid and has been having dificulties in running his home.

I have another relative who didn't lose his job but had to accept a pay cut. This is something that many others have gone through and something that affects the economy, as when we get pay cut, we have to reduce our standards and the rest get affected.

One of my other relatives have been affected soo bad they decided to pull out there young children from school and won't be applying for collage admission for one of their kids as its expensive and cant afford due to the husband losing his job and only wife is earning.

While no one in my family got the virus(well none of us really got of ourselves ever tested), but many are baring financial losses.

The govt aint gonna do nothing. What also sucks is schools and collages and unis are not ready to provide any relief to the students. To save money, man affected families are pulling their children out of school or collages.

I would be starting my classes in September and i really hope none of my classmates are forced to freeze their semester due to job or financial losses of their parents
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daily positive percentage of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID%E3%83%BC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVIDー19</a> PCR tests performed at Chughtai Lab. <br><br>Let's all work together to make sure we don't let the virus spread again. <a href="https://t.co/WHhybeeU4W">pic.twitter.com/WHhybeeU4W</a></p>— Chughtai Lab - Official (@ChughtaiLab) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChughtaiLab/status/1291056996578361344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] as you were a medical student, do you think that a reduction in cases of covid in Pakistan was due to the massive vaccination program that went on in the 90s for TB.
Does the TB vaccine plus 3rd world country bad environment making your immune system strong have a correlation with developing strong immune systems against covid?
 
The virus has done more damage indirectly to peoples employment rather than to peoples health.

Many people have lost jobs. I have 1 relative who was earning money through a job and side business. His side business had to shut due to covid and has been having dificulties in running his home.

I have another relative who didn't lose his job but had to accept a pay cut. This is something that many others have gone through and something that affects the economy, as when we get pay cut, we have to reduce our standards and the rest get affected.

One of my other relatives have been affected soo bad they decided to pull out there young children from school and won't be applying for collage admission for one of their kids as its expensive and cant afford due to the husband losing his job and only wife is earning.

While no one in my family got the virus(well none of us really got of ourselves ever tested), but many are baring financial losses.

The govt aint gonna do nothing. What also sucks is schools and collages and unis are not ready to provide any relief to the students. To save money, man affected families are pulling their children out of school or collages.

I would be starting my classes in September and i really hope none of my classmates are forced to freeze their semester due to job or financial losses of their parents

The government realised that closing down the economy (lockdown) would impact peoples livelihoods, this is why they went for smart lockdown strategy. The same strategy that many pipply, noony criticised. There is still definately going to be an impact and this is a global problem. Here in the UK, many lost their jobs, had their pays decreased etc. However, we have sabar and not always criticizing the govt as we know that the govt is helpless too.
 
The virus has done more damage indirectly to peoples employment rather than to peoples health.

Many people have lost jobs. I have 1 relative who was earning money through a job and side business. His side business had to shut due to covid and has been having dificulties in running his home.

I have another relative who didn't lose his job but had to accept a pay cut. This is something that many others have gone through and something that affects the economy, as when we get pay cut, we have to reduce our standards and the rest get affected.

One of my other relatives have been affected soo bad they decided to pull out there young children from school and won't be applying for collage admission for one of their kids as its expensive and cant afford due to the husband losing his job and only wife is earning.

While no one in my family got the virus(well none of us really got of ourselves ever tested), but many are baring financial losses.

The govt aint gonna do nothing. What also sucks is schools and collages and unis are not ready to provide any relief to the students. To save money, man affected families are pulling their children out of school or collages.

I would be starting my classes in September and i really hope none of my classmates are forced to freeze their semester due to job or financial losses of their parents

And Billo and the Nooras wanted a total lockdown to cause the very misery you describe. The Kaptaan foresaw this and people laughed and called him incompetent. He was right as always.
 
And Billo and the Nooras wanted a total lockdown to cause the very misery you describe. The Kaptaan foresaw this and people laughed and called him incompetent. He was right as always.

There is nothing to praise about, no good has come out or is gonna come out. Ppp had their own way of controling it and that was to do a total lockdown in sindh.

We had this interesting question in our exams and the question was as a shop of a company what would matter for you more livelihood or lives.

There was a trade off in both.

What economist had predicted was, either way govt would had to increase its spending as hospitals would be going bankrupt.


People dont have much faith in the govt that they are going to help in anyway. Everyone is just on their own and many are hoping that the private companies or schools or universities would help out some way.
 
The government realised that closing down the economy (lockdown) would impact peoples livelihoods, this is why they went for smart lockdown strategy. The same strategy that many pipply, noony criticised. There is still definately going to be an impact and this is a global problem. Here in the UK, many lost their jobs, had their pays decreased etc. However, we have sabar and not always criticizing the govt as we know that the govt is helpless too.
Yar bhai, what was even smart lockdown strategy?

It was all just topi drama. Govt didnt have guts to take a decision.

They wanted to show the world that they were carrying about lives by coming up with the term smart lockdown. But me living in the country knows that was just for the shops on the main areas of the city. Rest of the shops followed the sops in the begining when the govt was strict in actual lockdown, when it became smart lockdown, the officials didnt pay too much attention and shops kept themselves open with different tactics

Chemist were the only ones allowed to be open till 12 or 2 am. So they were stocking up with grocery items and cigerrete.
Now this is what made no sense, a grocery store had to close at 7 but a chemist selling cigs and grocery items was open till 2 am as they had medicine aswell and were registered as pharmacy.

Anyways, there is no point in going after political parties or govt here. Any decision to be taken had its trade off.

What matters is how current govt will revive the economy and would it be able to do something for the people who lost their jobs.

Might aswell print more ruppees and increase money supply someway.

2021 ia going to be crucial
 
We are testing 4 times less than India in per capita basis. Likely missing out on lot of asymptomatic Cases

When pakistani players were testing positive thats whwn i realized that many people probably have got it but never knew or have better immune systme that never showed symptoms.

Now is this because of those tb vaccines that we or our parents got back in the 90s i dont know.

I also had sore tonsil. One side of my tonsils were sore for 4 days but no cough. Took some antibiotics and was ok 2 days later.

Wonder if i had it or nor
 
World is praising the smart lockdown then we have two bit experts with baqwas like 'what is smart lockdown it is all topi drama' :)))


[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]
 
One of the richest (and smartest) men on the planet is specifically calling out Pakistan and our successful strategy but then we have people calling it topi drama. Who should we believe? Tough choice.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking News:<br><br>Bill Gates calls out &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; as a COVID-19 success story, comparing it to Europe on CNN’s GPS with Fareed Zakaria <br><br>India by contrast, doesn’t look great, being compared to South America<br><br>Watch full clip (explains factors beyond God’s help): <a href="https://t.co/KE3KrPlz0Z">https://t.co/KE3KrPlz0Z</a> <a href="https://t.co/YPUIJ1JdbE">pic.twitter.com/YPUIJ1JdbE</a></p>— Bilal Lakhani (@MBilalLakhani) <a href="https://twitter.com/MBilalLakhani/status/1292516313785663489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Yar bhai, what was even smart lockdown strategy?

It was all just topi drama. Govt didnt have guts to take a decision.

They wanted to show the world that they were carrying about lives by coming up with the term smart lockdown. But me living in the country knows that was just for the shops on the main areas of the city. Rest of the shops followed the sops in the begining when the govt was strict in actual lockdown, when it became smart lockdown, the officials didnt pay too much attention and shops kept themselves open with different tactics

Chemist were the only ones allowed to be open till 12 or 2 am. So they were stocking up with grocery items and cigerrete.
Now this is what made no sense, a grocery store had to close at 7 but a chemist selling cigs and grocery items was open till 2 am as they had medicine aswell and were registered as pharmacy.

Anyways, there is no point in going after political parties or govt here. Any decision to be taken had its trade off.

What matters is how current govt will revive the economy and would it be able to do something for the people who lost their jobs.

Might aswell print more ruppees and increase money supply someway.

2021 ia going to be crucial

I smell bias in your post! You can not deliver results without having a clear strategy. The economy will take time to revive as will many economies around the world. Its odd how individuals would compromise on national interest because they support a different political party, this can only happen in Pakistan.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] as you were a medical student, do you think that a reduction in cases of covid in Pakistan was due to the massive vaccination program that went on in the 90s for TB.
Does the TB vaccine plus 3rd world country bad environment making your immune system strong have a correlation with developing strong immune systems against covid?

There does appear to be a strong correlation between BCG vaccine and the impact of COVID. Countries like Pakistan, where BCG has been mandated, have showed surprisingly high resistance compared to several first world countries where the BCG vaccine is not mandatory.

However, you cannot make any sweeping conclusions without clinical trials. The link between BCG and COVID is being studied and peer-reviewed, and it will take years before any definite conclusion can be established.
 
Incoming UN assembly president praises Pakistan's response against pandemic

Volkan Bozkir, the incoming president of the United Nations General Assembly has praised Pakistan for quickly containing the coronavirus, saying the South Asian nation’s handling of the pandemic is a good example for the world, according to AP news agency.

The Turkish diplomat was recently elected as the president of the 75th session of the UN General Assembly.

Bozkir’s visit in Islamabad comes amid a steady decline in COVID-19 deaths and infections in Pakistan.

Pakistan on Monday reported 15 fatalities from coronavirus in the past 24 hours, raising its total COVID-19-related fatalities to 6,097. It has a total of more than 284,000 cases.
 
World is praising the smart lockdown then we have two bit experts with baqwas like 'what is smart lockdown it is all topi drama' :)))


[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

again, i live in the country, you dont.

In your brain Smart Lockdown is something out of the world process that was adopted.

I live here, and i saw what it was.
 
When pakistani players were testing positive thats whwn i realized that many people probably have got it but never knew or have better immune systme that never showed symptoms.

Now is this because of those tb vaccines that we or our parents got back in the 90s i dont know.

I also had sore tonsil. One side of my tonsils were sore for 4 days but no cough. Took some antibiotics and was ok 2 days later.

Wonder if i had it or nor

which in a way is a good thing as they did not become a burden on the ailing health system. I havea close friend who is pretty anti IK and he is struggling at the moment. Another family friend a doctor who is also anti IK actually praised the govt so its a mixed picture from people who arent big supporters.

For us far away we can anly really look at the results. It seems from where we are sitting that the situation is under control. Using testimony, official and unofficial stats, close anecdotes and testimony from family, it does seem that Pakistan has managed to control the siutation

Now how have they done it? was it a fluke? God swt gift to the nation? Look as someone who routinely works in environments where policy and strategy are made, leaders lead, they make policy, delegate, communicate and then allow others to carry out the tasks. If the strategy is flawed, it will fail. If the communication is flawed the strategy will fail.

If your staff are flawed teh strategy will not fail completley but may not be implemented as required. I dont think we can doubt that whatever has been done has worked.

Can there be improvements? Of course. But we are a poor country and for us to keep our health service from collapsing was an achievement. At one point my anti IK friend sent me a graph that showed a million deaths expected in Pakistan. At that time it was nalaik khan this and that. I tended to follow a different model that showed us seeing good results in august and that has proven true.

IK isnt a saint. Nobody thinks he is. Pakistan has massive problems. Of course it does, inflation economic problems, corruption etc. But Pakistan has for now managed to achieve something nobody could have forseen. You as a pakistani living there should at least see the positivies in that. I live in the UK and cases are increasing again. The govt has no track and trace, the comms are muddled, the virus is still rampant, the economy is in danger. people are still dying. You are still better off.
 
There does appear to be a strong correlation between BCG vaccine and the impact of COVID. Countries like Pakistan, where BCG has been mandated, have showed surprisingly high resistance compared to several first world countries where the BCG vaccine is not mandatory.

However, you cannot make any sweeping conclusions without clinical trials. The link between BCG and COVID is being studied and peer-reviewed, and it will take years before any definite conclusion can be established.

Looking at the africa situation may also help us understand things better. Covid does seem to have similar properties to TB but I'm not a medical professional so cant comment. A younger population and a lack of care homes is also a major factor. Also a good track and trace system to get on top of early outbreaks has also been useful. Early decision making was also important. There are various factors inmho.
 
which in a way is a good thing as they did not become a burden on the ailing health system. I havea close friend who is pretty anti IK and he is struggling at the moment. Another family friend a doctor who is also anti IK actually praised the govt so its a mixed picture from people who arent big supporters.

For us far away we can anly really look at the results. It seems from where we are sitting that the situation is under control. Using testimony, official and unofficial stats, close anecdotes and testimony from family, it does seem that Pakistan has managed to control the siutation

Now how have they done it? was it a fluke? God swt gift to the nation? Look as someone who routinely works in environments where policy and strategy are made, leaders lead, they make policy, delegate, communicate and then allow others to carry out the tasks. If the strategy is flawed, it will fail. If the communication is flawed the strategy will fail.

If your staff are flawed teh strategy will not fail completley but may not be implemented as required. I dont think we can doubt that whatever has been done has worked.

Can there be improvements? Of course. But we are a poor country and for us to keep our health service from collapsing was an achievement. At one point my anti IK friend sent me a graph that showed a million deaths expected in Pakistan. At that time it was nalaik khan this and that. I tended to follow a different model that showed us seeing good results in august and that has proven true.

IK isnt a saint. Nobody thinks he is. Pakistan has massive problems. Of course it does, inflation economic problems, corruption etc. But Pakistan has for now managed to achieve something nobody could have forseen. You as a pakistani living there should at least see the positivies in that. I live in the UK and cases are increasing again. The govt has no track and trace, the comms are muddled, the virus is still rampant, the economy is in danger. people are still dying. You are still better off.

In terms of health we are better of, but in terms of livelihood we are in a very bad scenario.
Even when the Corona stats would be discussed it would be about people who got the virus, but not about the number of people who went unemployed or lost pay.

This was a question i got in my recent assignment, livelihood vs lives in Covid19.

2021 is going to be crucial now, what economic policies are to be taken. I wonder if the Basha dam treasury bills would help us in someway now.

The budget of this year was a crucial thing, defense was needed to be ignored atleast for 2 years.
 
In terms of health we are better of, but in terms of livelihood we are in a very bad scenario.
Even when the Corona stats would be discussed it would be about people who got the virus, but not about the number of people who went unemployed or lost pay.

This was a question i got in my recent assignment, livelihood vs lives in Covid19.

2021 is going to be crucial now, what economic policies are to be taken. I wonder if the Basha dam treasury bills would help us in someway now.

The budget of this year was a crucial thing, defense was needed to be ignored atleast for 2 years.

with regards to the economy, with the 18th amendment the federal govt can only do so much. A lot if will depend on how quickly the provinces can recover and begin their economic activity. The opening up of the construction industry will help our labour class, and also ML1 , new roads etc. We also have to look at inflation and what is happening there. you are right about 2021, it will be crucial. We also have no idea how the world economy will further impact Pakistan.

With regards to defence I would disagree as the increase is mostly to pay the bills. With an increasingly volatile enemy at our borders we cannot afford to take a risk.
 
There is nothing to praise about, no good has come out or is gonna come out. Ppp had their own way of controling it and that was to do a total lockdown in sindh.

We had this interesting question in our exams and the question was as a shop of a company what would matter for you more livelihood or lives.

There was a trade off in both.

What economist had predicted was, either way govt would had to increase its spending as hospitals would be going bankrupt.


People dont have much faith in the govt that they are going to help in anyway. Everyone is just on their own and many are hoping that the private companies or schools or universities would help out some way.

If it had gone pear shaped you would have been on here telling how incompetent IK was, and as his strategy worked, you are too dishonest to admit that IK was right. The PPP like you has badniyaati at its heart and like someone else on here, they were literally praying for deaths and doing their best to cause mayhem by locking down and not providing any rations to the poor.


"But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners ...
 
If it had gone pear shaped you would have been on here telling how incompetent IK was, and as his strategy worked, you are too dishonest to admit that IK was right. The PPP like you has badniyaati at its heart and like someone else on here, they were literally praying for deaths and doing their best to cause mayhem by locking down and not providing any rations to the poor.


"But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners ...

it is very interesting to see certain news outlets and reporters are having a very hard time trying to understand how Nalaik khan has managed this feat. now we all know we could be facing another wave in the winter so I wouldn't start cheering like mad just yet but it is very instructive how those wishing ill on Pakistan will still find a way to downplay this achievement.

for example there have been a number of articles from the right wing western media that have pointed out that it could all have just been a fluke (a summary), but what if thats the case then certain states in india that have been successful should also have been touted as flukes. Yet they were not.

It is a bitter pill to swallow but this again highlights our wellwishers and those that wise us harm.
 
it is very interesting to see certain news outlets and reporters are having a very hard time trying to understand how Nalaik khan has managed this feat. now we all know we could be facing another wave in the winter so I wouldn't start cheering like mad just yet but it is very instructive how those wishing ill on Pakistan will still find a way to downplay this achievement.

for example there have been a number of articles from the right wing western media that have pointed out that it could all have just been a fluke (a summary), but what if thats the case then certain states in india that have been successful should also have been touted as flukes. Yet they were not.

It is a bitter pill to swallow but this again highlights our wellwishers and those that wise us harm.

I agree with you that we are no where near out of the woods. Ultimately, it's the responsibility of the people to act responsibly and follow the sops. IK has done whatever he could, and sadly I am with you, I think we will have a 2nd wave, IA it doesn't do too much damage. But what is galling is these losers, that were quite literally praying for deaths but cannot bring themselves to even give a word of praise for IK and his leadership. [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] said all the things IK was worried about and still couldn't bring himself to condemn the badniyaat of his beloved PPP who were so desperate to cause the damage he mentioned.
 
I agree with you that we are no where near out of the woods. Ultimately, it's the responsibility of the people to act responsibly and follow the sops. IK has done whatever he could, and sadly I am with you, I think we will have a 2nd wave, IA it doesn't do too much damage. But what is galling is these losers, that were quite literally praying for deaths but cannot bring themselves to even give a word of praise for IK and his leadership. [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] said all the things IK was worried about and still couldn't bring himself to condemn the badniyaat of his beloved PPP who were so desperate to cause the damage he mentioned.
bhai, no where in the world this happens.

People become responsible when you throw a fine at them or not allow them entry to some where.


Trafic laws are an example. People break them, but when fines are high and you could get your license revoked than people don't break them. You have to place negative reinforcement.

Govt placed negative reinforcement for 2 months, after 2 months you can walk into the store without a mask, no need to have limited number of people in shop.

Govt was doing check and balance, now they have left everyone on their own.
 
bhai, no where in the world this happens.

People become responsible when you throw a fine at them or not allow them entry to some where.


Trafic laws are an example. People break them, but when fines are high and you could get your license revoked than people don't break them. You have to place negative reinforcement.

Govt placed negative reinforcement for 2 months, after 2 months you can walk into the store without a mask, no need to have limited number of people in shop.

Govt was doing check and balance, now they have left everyone on their own.

I live in the UK and it is ultimately the peoples responsibility to protect themselves from the virus. For an example, there is a local lockdown where I live where people can not visit each others houses. However, it is still happening and no fines etc. Of the govt did fine, you would have complained about Pakistan being a police state. You really cant win with people like you.
 
Pakistan reported 6,766 new Coronavirus cases in the first 11 days of August

Daily average of 615 new cases
 
Pakistan reported 6,766 new Coronavirus cases in the first 11 days of August

Daily average of 615 new cases

it is quite clear the virus is being "managed" by the govt. I think we need to accept the reality that it is with us for the long term.
 
I live in the UK and it is ultimately the peoples responsibility to protect themselves from the virus. For an example, there is a local lockdown where I live where people can not visit each others houses. However, it is still happening and no fines etc. Of the govt did fine, you would have complained about Pakistan being a police state. You really cant win with people like you.

Stop assuming that i would have complained.

Fines need to be in place, even in canada they place heavy fines aswell.

Negative reinforcement needs to be there
 
Islamabad, GB and AJK collectively report 46 Covid-19 cases, 2 deaths

Islamabad, Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Jammu and Kashmir collectively reported 46 coronavirus cases and two deaths during the last 24 hours.

According to the government's Covid-19 portal, 19 cases were recorded in the capital, 3 in AJK while 24 cases as well as two deaths were reported in GB.


Punjab reports 128 virus cases, 1 death

Punjab has reported 128 coronavirus cases and one death during the last 24 hours, according to the government's portal for tracking the spread of the virus in the country.

The provincial total has risen to 94,993 while the death toll is 2,180.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The lessons of Covid aren’t just from rich European nations. Pakistan has had success from a very different starting point. This study is worth reading and the lessons are fascinating. <a href="https://twitter.com/CommonsForeign?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CommonsForeign</a> will be asking <a href="https://twitter.com/foreignoffice?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@foreignoffice</a> for other examples. <a href="https://t.co/aEpoSuL6W0">https://t.co/aEpoSuL6W0</a></p>— Tom Tugendhat (@TomTugendhat) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/status/1294233056618983424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I think a study on why Pakistan succeeded and India didn’t would highly valuable for the 2nd wave.

It will also be valuable for India. I am not entirely sold by the idea that the ‘smart lockdowns’ worked. India has been trying these lockdowns and they haven’t had much effect. A proper study looking at the demographics and evaluating all possible reasons will be helpful.

Something has worked in Pakistan. And this study will help all the other poor nations to also plan for the future.
 
Punjab reports 56 new infections, down from 188 a day earlier

Punjab has reported 56 new coronavirus infections, down from 188 a day earlier, according to the government's Covid-19 portal. This has taken the provincial tally of cases to 95,447.

It has reported no additional fatalities from the virus. More than 88,000 people have recovered from Covid-19 in the province.


Islamabad, federal territories collectively record 31 cases, 1 death

Islamabad, Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Jammu and Kashmir have collectively reported 31 new coronavirus cases and one additional fatality.

The breakdown is as follows:

Islamabad: 12 cases
GB: 16 cases, 1 death
AJK: 3 cases
 
I think a study on why Pakistan succeeded and India didn’t would highly valuable for the 2nd wave.

two different countries. India's size and their population has hampered it. Also their haste to impose a massive strict lockdown without any forward planning caused major problems.

India's situation has to be seen on a state by state basis. [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] and others can explain better.

some states have done well and remember some of their states are the size of pakistan. Also poor infrastructure and poverty have also hampered efforts. Another big factor inmho is the lack of involvement of their military or perhaps a lack of major involvement of the military. But i could be wrong.
 
2 weeks since Eid and the expected spike due to Eid celebrations never came. In fact test positivity ratio dropped further to 2.2%. Deaths are consistently hovering around single digits or teens.


Starting to believe the conspiracy theories of Chinese secretly providing Pakistan a vaccine :srt


There really is no explanation because by God our people hardly took any precautions.
 
2 weeks since Eid and the expected spike due to Eid celebrations never came. In fact test positivity ratio dropped further to 2.2%. Deaths are consistently hovering around single digits or teens.


Starting to believe the conspiracy theories of Chinese secretly providing Pakistan a vaccine :srt


There really is no explanation because by God our people hardly took any precautions.

maybe the collective actually did? Also Pakistani society is different. Covid is a social interaction disease. Countries in the west love to socialise. nightclubs, pubs, beaches , bbqs, socialise drink be merry and meet the opposite gender. That is what their time outside work (some owuld argue it happens in work too) revolves around.

In Pakistan we have a natural order of things. Our buzurghs generally stay indoors and arent farmed out to care homes. The idea of washing yourself after visiting the bathroom is universal. Unnecessary physical interactions are generally limited.

Also the military has a brilliant track and trace system. They have managed to get to people quickly and have had the ability to lockdown. People are used to hardship, so a curfew for example is not a new thing in Pakistan. The west arent used to hardship and lack real discipline. Also the govts are lead by racists and nationalists who think they are superior to others. Hence why the disaster we see. Their policies have failed a generation of people...money cant buy you everything.
 
There really is no explanation because by God our people hardly took any precautions.

Among other efforts, Contact Tracing was Top Class.

Govt. conducted free PCR of almost all members from families of PCR+ individuals, at their homes, within 24-48 hours of PCR Report.
 
Weddings are usually extravagant affairs in Pakistan but a ban on large public gatherings due to the coronavirus pandemic has forced many to opt for smaller ceremonies.

Pakistan, which has reported more than 290,000 cases of the new coronavirus, removed nearly all of its restrictions as part of a partial lockdown last week.

Restaurants, cinemas and gyms have been reopened but educational institutions and wedding venues will remain closed until September 15.

Noman Ali said he pushed back his wedding by three months, before going ahead with a smaller guest-list of 250 instead of 800.

"We waited for a month, then two months, then three. The pandemic just wasn't ending. So we decided to invite fewer people," Ali told Al Jazeera.

Pakistanis host a number of events as part of the wedding, traditionally spending large amounts of money.

Families can even go bankrupt and see their life savings disappear.

Due to this, some believe the pandemic is a blessing in disguise

"Parents who are poor but feel pressure to host ostentatious [weddings], they've been able to save [money] because of coronavirus. I think it should always be like this and society should embrace it. It would be better for everyone," Azam Khan, a wedding guest, told Al Jazeera.

However, the growing trend of at-home smaller ceremonies has also put a strain on countless businesses who rely on weddings - such as florists, caterers, jewellers and fashion designers.

"The nearly 650,000 people working at wedding venues nationwide have been sitting at home for nearly six months," Rana Ahmed, president of the Karachi Banquet Hall Association, said.

He estimated 50 percent of Pakistan's industries are linked to weddings.

"We've tried to help, giving them [food] rations, and we've continued to pay salaries to staff employees. But the day labourers, who the government said it would [help], are the most worried. And they account for nearly 500,000 people."
 
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