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Robert said:
Embarrassing for our criminally negligent Government not the nation.

Good for the Turks.
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Its a disgrace, the UK and US are the laughing stock of the world right now. Perhaps should bring back their soldiers from the various bases and save some money now?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Its a disgrace, the UK and US are the laughing stock of the world right now. Perhaps should bring back their soldiers from the various bases and save some money now?
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You are being way over the top, this pandemic has obviously caught out alot of countries, But the great thing about the UK is it's diversity in difficult times by the majority of the population, I was actually giving the Tories the benefit of the doubt before this pandemic broke out in regards to the spending plans they were going to implement in all aspects of society and all the region's of the country, Boris for me alongside sunik could have driven uk in to a new dawn of success before this once in a life time circumstances
 
major concern with the BAME doctors dying, something really fishy here.
 
The government needs to be "completely honest" about coronavirus deaths because "we really don't know the full picture", a former public health director has told Sky News.

Professor John Ashton says the total number of Britons who have died after testing positive for coronavirus will "almost certainly" pass 10,000 this weekend

However, Professor Ashton said the figure will not include deaths in care homes and in the community, meaning "we really don't know the full picture" about COVID-19.

He also warned that the UK must focus more on shielding the elderly and vulnerable from the coronavirus, with some estimates suggesting that cases have now been identified in 50% of care homes nationwide.

"There have been some modelling estimates in the planning guidance that suggest once you get coronavirus into a care home you might expect as many as 30% deaths," the former president of the Faculty of Public Health said.

"You're talking about a very frail and vulnerable population - usually people in their 80s and 90s, maybe with dementia - and we can't just write them off."

On Friday, it was confirmed that another 980 patients have died in the UK after contracting coronavirus - surpassing Spain and Italy's worst recorded daily totals.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said a total of 8,958 have now died in hospital - and on Thursday, a further 5,706 people tested positive for COVID-19 in the UK.

Prof Ashton claimed the UK has often been slow to act during the pandemic - citing confusion over whether face masks are a useful deterrent against the coronavirus as an example.

He added that a lack of extensive testing has made it difficult for public health officials to know where COVID-19 was spreading fastest.

"The lockdown will now have to continue for quite a long time," Prof Ashton said. "I think it's really important for the government to be completely honest about the numbers.

"There's a lot of worry now on social media that we're not being given the full picture. People need to be treated like adults."

Prof Ashton, who formerly served as Cumbria's regional director of public health, described the government's approach to informing the public about COVID-19 as "paternalistic… as though it's been frightened to panic people".

He said: "If you treat people as adults they're more likely to behave as adults rather than as delinquents. We're seeing the delinquency play out in house parties in Manchester and other kinds of things because people aren't really trusting what's going on."

His warning came as Downing Street gave an update on Boris Johnson's progress as he recovers from coronavirus.

A statement said that the prime minister "has been able to do short walks between periods of rest" since he was moved back from intensive care and into a hospital ward.

But a Number 10 spokesman warned it was too early to say how long he would need to stay in St Thomas' Hospital in central London.

A senior government scientist has warned that the coronavirus pandemic remains in a "dangerous phase" - with Prof Jonathan Van-Tam, the UK's deputy chief scientific adviser, stressing that "this is not over".

During the daily Downing Street news conference, he said: "It's premature to say we are at a peak and the push we are making with social distancing just has to continue."

Ministers have said that tests for coronavirus have now reached more than 19,000 a day - against the government's target of 100,000 by the end of this month.

The government is under intense pressure to set out an exit strategy for lifting restrictions that have closed pubs, restaurants and shops nationwide, and the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) is continuing to study evidence.

Mr Hancock has said the health effects of the economic collapse resulting from measures to curb the outbreak will be a factor in the government's decision on when to start easing the restrictions.

For now at least, the public are being urged to stay at home, observe lockdown rules and refrain from visiting friends and family over the Easter weekend.

A huge publicity blitz has been taking place across social media, newspapers and magazines, with the government warning the UK is at a "crucial moment in preventing further transmission of coronavirus".

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...t-certainly-pass-10-000-this-weekend-11971793
 
Health Secretary Matt Hancock says that a total of 19 NHS workers have died after testing positive for covid-19
 
KingKhanWC said:
Its a disgrace, the UK and US are the laughing stock of the world right now. Perhaps should bring back their soldiers from the various bases and save some money now?
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A lot of those soldiers are doing good, distributing food to areas of famine, building field hospitals and bridges.
 
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Robert said:
Ah ok. Perhaps they have been infected from within their own families? - it seems that Asian people are more at risk due to multigenerational households and extended families.
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Or the lack of sufficient ppe equipment was the telling factor for them to get badly exposed
 
I read somewhere that 46% of all NHS doctors are BAME. I am sure that percentage is more in cities like London and Birmingham. In short, they are the ones in front line.
 
A further 823 people have died in hospital in England after testing positive for coronavirus, NHS England said on Saturday.

It brings the total deaths in England to 8,937.

The patients were aged between 11 and 102 years old, according to NHS England, and 33 had no known underlying health conditions.
 
The Department of Health has reported a further 917 people in the UK who tested positive for covid-19 have died, taking the total number of deaths to 9,875
 
The UK has recorded 917 new coronavirus deaths - including an 11-year-old.

The Department of Health figures take the total of UK deaths to 9,875 - meaning they are likely to top 10,000 on Easter Sunday.

The figures are accurate as of 5pm on Friday.

The rise recorded by the Department of Health yesterday was slightly lower at 980.

A total of 823 new cases were in England - with NHS England saying victims there were aged between 11 and 102.
 
Robert said:
But surely that was true for all Doctors?
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Due to work dynamics, apparently ethnic minorities are less likely to ask for better equipment. This is what I read in an article yesterday. I can not remember which article now.

All those times, we were abused but now we are the ones giving our lives. The first 4 doctors who died were Muslims in the UK, I really hope people stop the islamaphobia now. Something that was becoming the norm. Ofcourse, the majority of the people were not like that but the loud minority and the media was extremely offensive against Muslims in my opinion.
 
This USA study/model has revised downwards UK deaths but is still predicting UK will have the highest number of dead in Europe. Still the number is scandalous.

A US institute that predicted deaths from Covid-19 in the UK would be the highest in Europe at 66,000 has revised down its forecasts as a result of new data.

The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, based at the University of Washington in Seattle, now predicts 37,494 deaths in the UK by 4 August, although it said the figure could be between 26,000 and 62,500.

Despite the lower figure, it still predicts the UK will have the highest death toll in Europe.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...vises-down-forecast-for-uk-coronavirus-deaths
 
King-Misbah said:
Due to work dynamics, apparently ethnic minorities are less likely to ask for better equipment. This is what I read in an article yesterday. I can not remember which article now.

All those times, we were abused but now we are the ones giving our lives. The first 4 doctors who died were Muslims in the UK, I really hope people stop the islamaphobia now. Something that was becoming the norm. Ofcourse, the majority of the people were not like that but the loud minority and the media was extremely offensive against Muslims in my opinion.
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But it was the late Doctor Chaudhory who first campaigned for PPE’s...
face masks etc...

He was the first one to make a public plea and sadly does three to four weeks later
 
IMMY69 said:
But it was the late Doctor Chaudhory who first campaigned for PPE’s...
face masks etc...

He was the first one to make a public plea and sadly does three to four weeks later
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Dr Chaudhry was an individual so can not really say that collectively the BAME doctors are acting in the same manner.

Anyways, I found the article, it is really interesting and can be found here:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...apr/10/uk-coronavirus-deaths-bame-doctors-bma

Interesting point though a speculation one may say:

Among the factors he speculated could be contributing was whether BAME doctors felt less able to complain about inadequate personal protective equipment (PPE) – a recurring complaint among healthcare workers during the crisis – thereby putting themselves in danger.

“BAME doctors often feel bullied and harassed at higher levels compared to their white counterparts,” he said. “They are twice as likely not to raise concerns because of fears of recrimination.” (Guardian)
 
King-Misbah said:
Dr Chaudhry was an individual so can not really say that collectively the BAME doctors are acting in the same manner.

Anyways, I found the article, it is really interesting and can be found here:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...apr/10/uk-coronavirus-deaths-bame-doctors-bma

Interesting point though a speculation one may say:

Among the factors he speculated could be contributing was whether BAME doctors felt less able to complain about inadequate personal protective equipment (PPE) – a recurring complaint among healthcare workers during the crisis – thereby putting themselves in danger.

“BAME doctors often feel bullied and harassed at higher levels compared to their white counterparts,” he said. “They are twice as likely not to raise concerns because of fears of recrimination.” (Guardian)
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Very fair points
 
King-Misbah said:
Dr Chaudhry was an individual so can not really say that collectively the BAME doctors are acting in the same manner.

Anyways, I found the article, it is really interesting and can be found here:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...apr/10/uk-coronavirus-deaths-bame-doctors-bma

Interesting point though a speculation one may say:

Among the factors he speculated could be contributing was whether BAME doctors felt less able to complain about inadequate personal protective equipment (PPE) – a recurring complaint among healthcare workers during the crisis – thereby putting themselves in danger.

“BAME doctors often feel bullied and harassed at higher levels compared to their white counterparts,” he said. “They are twice as likely not to raise concerns because of fears of recrimination.” (Guardian)
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I have to disagree here.
I will also put it down to complete hogwash.

Doctors get to where they are by not being meek.
Specialist consultants comprise of every ethnicity in the Uk and combined probably outnumber the indigenous population and this included the nursing profession...

I could consider a vitamin D deficiency but even then I think that’s highly unlikely.

If you tell me that they go out of there way more, so longer shifts and put themselves in danger more, then even that I can believe. But I do not for one moment believe it has anything to do with prejudice.
 
Total crime down, but some left vulnerable - Patel

The home secretary says while total crime has dropped as people follow advice to stay at home, some vulnerable people are at an increased risk.

Fraudsters are exploiting coronavirus, she says, with losses to victims already exceeding £1.8m.

She also says police have not yet seen a sustained rise in reports of domestic abuse amid the lockdown but that the increase in those seeking help through hotlines was "extremely concerning".

"For the victims of these crimes, home is not the safe haven that it should be," she says.
 
King-Misbah said:
Due to work dynamics, apparently ethnic minorities are less likely to ask for better equipment. This is what I read in an article yesterday. I can not remember which article now.

All those times, we were abused but now we are the ones giving our lives. The first 4 doctors who died were Muslims in the UK, I really hope people stop the islamaphobia now. Something that was becoming the norm. Ofcourse, the majority of the people were not like that but the loud minority and the media was extremely offensive against Muslims in my opinion.
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I doubt it and am ashamed of my country’s press. Pictures of white nurses taken by this scourge might get onto front pages, but not these brave Pakistani Muslim doctors.
 
zee said:
I read somewhere that 46% of all NHS doctors are BAME. I am sure that percentage is more in cities like London and Birmingham. In short, they are the ones in front line.
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...and what's your pathetic excuse for black and Asian members of the public being hit the hardest? Let me guess, they have poorer diets and live together? What nonsense.
 
Tommo said:
...and what's your pathetic excuse for black and Asian members of the public being hit the hardest? Let me guess, they have poorer diets and live together? What nonsense.
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What do you attribute it to?
 
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Tommo said:
...and what's your pathetic excuse for black and Asian members of the public being hit the hardest? Let me guess, they have poorer diets and live together? What nonsense.
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Sorry? With all due respect, you have totally misunderstood the point I was trying to make. I was talking specifically about NHS workers. And trying to counter the point some posters were making in relation to high death rate among black and Asian members of the public that it was in some way related to their lifestyle and underlying health problems.

This is taking away from the sacrifices they have made on the front lien of this fight. This is the right time to appreciate these workers and will hopefully help to make us a more cohesive and equitable society.
 
Robert said:
I doubt it and am ashamed of my country’s press. Pictures of white nurses taken by this scourge might get onto front pages, but not these brave Pakistani Muslim doctors.
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There you go:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52242856

As you can see all the doctors who have lost their lives are from ethnic minority and so are most nurses.
Hope this virus stops the xenophobia which has increased in the last few years.
 
zee said:
There you go:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52242856

As you can see all the doctors who have lost their lives are from ethnic minority and so are most nurses.
Hope this virus stops the xenophobia which has increased in the last few years.
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Hi. I understood your point already, i posted a link yesterday about how 46% of doctors are from BAME backgrounds, I'm aware of this already. But it still doesn't adequately explain the fatalities.

Some people in their innocence chalk this up to Asian/Black doctors being afraid to step on the toes of the people at the helm and request additional PPE; that's almost laughable and quite simply nonsensical (I've worked in the NHS). Looks like a rather convenient excuse to me.
 
Very sly, get off your high horse, Robert. You are not automatically fitter or stronger than anyone from a BAME background.

The prevailing theories being peddled by halfwits is nothing less than nonsensensical rubbish and it's exposing a lot of people with their 'perceptions' of other races. This whole situation has a giant-sized question mark next to it. Let's just leave it at that.
 
The home secretary has said she is "sorry if people feel there have been failings" in providing personal protective equipment (PPE) to NHS staff.

Priti Patel was asked about the issue at the daily Downing Street news conference after 19 NHS workers were confirmed to have died with coronavirus.

She said it was "inevitable" that demand would be high for PPE during a global pandemic, but said that the government is working to provide resources more widely.

She said: "The government is working across every single agency that (the public) would expect us to work with: The Health and Safety Executive, Public Health England, various groups and organisations across the supply chain.

"We already know that, certainly from a police and fire perspective, and this links over to prisons and other key public services, we've absolutely secured our supply chain.

Ms Patel continued: "Every single aspect of public service requires different guidance around PPE, and also different types of guidance, and that's exactly what we've all been working through."

Earlier, Health Secretary Matt Hancock told Sky News said it was a "heartbreaking story" and it affects everyone in the NHS to see their colleagues die.

Mr Hancock said he was not aware of any link between lack of PPE and the deaths, but did say that a full investigation would be carried out to understand how those health workers contracted coronavirus on the front line.

He said: "My heart goes out to their families... the fact that such a high proportion are from people that moved to this country to work for the NHS is really heart-rending... to see people who have literally given their lives for the NHS who were moved here to give that service and I think we should pay tribute to them."

Talking about personal protective equipment, the health secretary said that although he will not criticise people for wearing more than necessary, health workers should use it "appropriately", saying it is a "precious resource" and it is a logistical effort to get it to the millions working in health and social care.

Mr Hancock advised health workers at Friday's daily press briefing to only wear exactly the right amount of PPE, as getting it distributed was a "Herculean effort".

Responding to Mr Hancock's suggestion that frontline workers could be wearing too much PPE, Labour leader Keir Starmer tweeted: "It is quite frankly insulting to imply front line staff are wasting PPE.

"There are horrific stories of NHS staff and care workers not having the equipment they need to keep them safe.

"The government must act to ensure supplies are delivered."

Mr Hancock also reiterated his message that people should spend the Easter weekend indoors, despite warmer weather.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ailings-over-ppe-says-home-secretary-11971879
 
Breakdown of UK patients in critical care
Richard Warry

BBC News

An analysis of 3,883 Covid-19 patients admitted to 229 critical care units in England, Wales and Northern Ireland up to Thursday has been published by the Intensive Care National Audit & Research Centre.

Of these patients, 871 have died, 818 have been discharged, and 2,194 were last reported as still receiving critical care.

The average age of the patients was 59.8 years. Some 72.5% were male, and 27.5% female. Some 66.4% were white, 14.4% Asian, 11.9% black, and 1.3% of mixed race.

Nearly three-quarters of the patients had a body mass index higher than the recommended healthy level of 18.5 to 25. Some 35% had a BMI of 25 to 30 - the overweight range. And 38.5% had a BMI over more than 30 - putting them in the obese range.

93.2% had previously been able to live without assistance in daily activities. Only 6.7% previously needed some assistance, and just three needed total assistance.

Focusing on the 1,053 patients who needed advanced respiratory support, the average age on admission was 61.9 years. 73% were male, 27% female. Out of this group, 66.3% died, and 33.7% are alive.

Examining the final outcome for patients admitted to critical care, for the 133 aged 16-39, 76.7% were discharged alive, and 23.3% died. For the 484 aged 60-69, 43.6% were discharged alive, and 56.4% died. For the 434 aged 70-79, 31.3% were discharged alive, and 68.7% died. And for the 107 aged over 80, 27.1% were discharged alive, and 72.9% died.
 
Wellcome Trust director Sir Jeremy Farrar says the UK is “likely to be one of the worst, if not the worst, affected countries in Europe”.

Sir Jeremy, a member of the UK government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), said this was down to the lack of testing and tracing.

He also told the BBC's Andrew Marr a second or third wave of coronavirus was "probably inevitable" and a vaccine was the only way out,

A vaccine could be available by autumn, he added, but it would take months to ramp up manufacturing of it to get to "the scale required to vaccinate many millions of people".

"I would hope we can get done in 12 months," said Sir Jeremy.
 
Three more nurses have died after testing positive for COVID-19, with the number of NHS staff deaths now surpassing 30.

The nurses worked in London, Worcestershire and South Wales, and had all contracted coronavirus, although it is not known if they caught the virus while working.
 
Tommo said:
Very sly, get off your high horse, Robert. You are not automatically fitter or stronger than anyone from a BAME background.

The prevailing theories being peddled by halfwits is nothing less than nonsensensical rubbish and it's exposing a lot of people with their 'perceptions' of other races. This whole situation has a giant-sized question mark next to it. Let's just leave it at that.
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Sly and high horsed for asking a simple question?

I asked you to offer an explanation for BAME doctors dying disproportionally. Do you have one?
 
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Priti Patel has refused pleas to accept more unaccompanied children from the notoriously overcrowded refugee camps on the Greek islands amid dire warnings of an impending humanitarian catastrophe.

The charity Médecins Sans Frontières wrote to the home secretary on 13 March asking her to “significantly increase” the number of child refugees transferred to the UK as well as “facilitate the urgent evacuation” of those with chronic and complex health conditions.

Patel did not respond. Instead the Foreign Office replied on 31 March, saying the UK would continue to support the implementation of the EU-Turkey deal, which for the past four years has aimed to prevent asylum seekers from travelling to Europe.

Vickie Hawkins, executive director of MSF UK, described the response as “shameful”, arguing that the deal was ostensibly a containment policy and an abandonment of the EU’s responsibilities towards refugees. “This cynical deal traps thousands of people – many of them children or deeply vulnerable – in squalid conditions on the Greek islands,” she said.

“The UK government must stop sacrificing basic refugee rights for the sake of its migration agenda.”

Holding facilities on all five Aegean isles, including Moria, the squalid refugee camp on Lesbos, opposite the Turkish coast, are currently six times over capacity. Humanitarian organisations have warned that a coronavirus outbreak in the camps, where social distancing is impossible for many, could prompt a public health emergency.

The European parliament’s civil liberties, justice and home affairs committee recently urged the evacuation of 42,000 people on the islands as “an urgent preventive” measure.

The Home Office was contacted for comment.

It has also emerged that charities recently asked EU countries to help “decongest” the Greek island camps ahead of a possible Covid-19 outbreak. Again, the UK government is understood to have refused to offer assistance, with MSF saying that a number of EU countries including Germany, France, Luxembourg, Finland, Belgium and Bulgaria had volunteered to help transfer 2,000 children from the islands.

Aurélie Ponthieu, MSF’s forced migration team coordinator, said: “The UK has so far not volunteered to help the children. These measures are symbolic; if these camps get the virus it’s going to be a disaster. Access to healthcare is very limited.”

The legal charity Safe Passage last week sent the Home Office a list of unaccompanied children and vulnerable adult refugees who have been legally accepted for transfer to join family in the UK, but who are now trapped on the Greek islands because of the coronavirus travel chaos.

Beth Gardiner-Smith, chief executive of Safe Passage International, said: “The government cannot now sit on its hands. We have a small window of opportunity to evacuate all those unaccompanied children and vulnerable adults who have families here in the UK waiting to receive them now at grave risk in overcrowded and unsanitary camps and settlements.

“We know children will be leaving on charter flights to the EU next week, why not to the UK too?” she added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ldren-from-greek-camps-threatened-by-covid-19
 
Not surprising, this woman is controversial in every position she has held recently, surely she should be dismissed.
 
Total UK deaths from COVID-19 pass 10,000 after NHS England confirms a further 657 people have died with Coronavirus.
 
Priti Patel might be the most hated person in England let alone politician.

Don’t know why she keeps getting these big positions
 
Rana said:
Priti Patel might be the most hated person in England let alone politician.

Don’t know why she keeps getting these big positions
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yesterday's conference showed why hitherto she has been hidden away, even for a right wing Tory she displayed a shocking lack of empathy and compassion but more than that she demonstrated she really is thick as pig manure, can't even read a number from a sheet.

To Priti: can you read this number 334,974

Priti: three hundred thousand, thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand

Imagine the ridicule Diane Abbott would get for saying that.

Priti Vacant is the living embodiment of the Peter Principle; she shouldn't even be trusted to run her family's newsagent shop
 
irfan said:
yesterday's conference showed why hitherto she has been hidden away, even for a right wing Tory she displayed a shocking lack of empathy and compassion but more than that she demonstrated she really is thick as pig manure, can't even read a number from a sheet.

To Priti: can you read this number 334,974

Priti: three hundred thousand, thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand

Imagine the ridicule Diane Abbott would get for saying that.

Priti Vacant is the living embodiment of the Peter Principle; she shouldn't even be trusted to run her family's newsagent shop
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Yeah man. From a British Pakistani point of view or from a migrant child point of view, she is a highly dislikable person.

A history of corruption/secret meetings with Israel. A modi supporter, ungrateful immigration views, her meetings with the Israeli prime minister, her husband also was exposed for having a job in her office and picking up government pay cheques
 
Rana said:
Priti Patel might be the most hated person in England let alone politician.

Don’t know why she keeps getting these big positions
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Her links to certain countries and the fact that conservatives are pleasing Indians as majority of them voted for them.
 
Next time she speaks listen closely.
She tries to speak “proper” English but uses slang in almost every other sentence...


Anyway can’t stand the women
 
IMMY69 said:
Next time she speaks listen closely.
She tries to speak “proper” English but uses slang in almost every other sentence...


Anyway can’t stand the women
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She gets her fair amount of stick by the media outlets. Dolores Umbridge of UK Parliament
 
Leading this afternoon's briefing, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said today marked a "sombre day" as the number of coronavirus deaths in UK hospitals exceeded 10,000.

The number of patients in hospital beds in London is stabilising - but it's increasing in the North West, Yorkshire and North East.

The NHS will launch a new app to help trace those who potentially have contracted coronavirus.

We still have spare critical care beds. Hancock said there were 2,295 spare across Great Britain today, up by 150 from yesterday.

Hancock didn't have an update on the number of NHS staff who died after contracting coronavirus, after we were told yesterday that 19 had sadly died. He said they were looking into "each circumstance".
 
Britain at its best in a crisis, says Prince William

Prince William has said Britain is at its best in a crisis, his office said on Sunday, the latest in a series of messages from the royal family seeking to galvanise the nation during the coronavirus pandemic.

Queen Elizabeth has twice addressed Britons in the past week, while heir-to-the-throne Prince Charles, who tested positive for the new virus, has also issued several video and audio messages since he recovered.

William’s message came on a day when the COVID-19 death toll in hospitals across the United Kingdom passed 10,000.

“I think Britain is at its best when faced with a crisis,” the queen’s grandson said during a call with a community charity in northern England that runs a food bank and has been delivering hot meals to isolated people.

“We all pull together and that community spirit comes rushing back quicker than anything else,” William said on the call, according to his office at Kensington Palace.

William, who is second-in-line to the throne after his father Charles, has become the patron of the National Emergencies Trust (NET) for 2020, the palace said.

Created in 2019, the NET seeks to coordinate with not-for-profit organisations to direct public donations to specific appeals and to distribute funds fairly and efficiently.

The NET’s Coronavirus Appeal in March, launched by William in March, has raised millions of pounds.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...in-a-crisis-says-prince-william-idUSKCN21U0VC
 
Criticism of the UK government's response to coronavirus is growing after one of its top scientific advisers said the country was likely to be among the worst affected in Europe.

The warning from Sir Jeremy Farrar came as UK hospital deaths passed 10,000 on Sunday.

Sue Hill, vice-president of the Royal College of Surgeons, said she believed UK deaths could rise to 30,000.

"Cabinet ministers are standing up every day, addressing us as if we’re on a war footing and giving Churchillian quotes when they could be doing a few simple things like getting more bits of plastic and paper [personal protective equipment for medical staff] on to wards,” Hill said.

Professor John Ashton, a former public health director, called on the government to be "completely honest", as the recorded number of deaths being put out is only those who have died in hospital, and does not include deaths in care homes and in the community.

"There's a lot of worry now on social media that we're not being given the full picture. People need to be treated like adults," he said.

Dozens of NHS workers areknown to have diedso far, with doctors who came out of retirement, as well as a disproportionate number of workers from black, asian and ethnic minority backgrounds among those who have lost their lives.

The government faced serious criticism early on in the spread of the pandemic in the UK, after messages from officials led to confusion over the strategy being pursued, and the country was relatively slow to shut down non-essential businesses and public gatherings.
 
The Viper said:
Britain at its best in a crisis, says Prince William

Prince William has said Britain is at its best in a crisis, his office said on Sunday, the latest in a series of messages from the royal family seeking to galvanise the nation during the coronavirus pandemic.
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Right - so when things are normal. Manufacturing and services running as normal we're not at our best but when a good portion of our country is doing nothing we are.

These celebrities need to stay quiet. The quicker this show is over the better for everyone. As I predicted a month ago, more people I know have been impacted by the measures/restrictions than from the illness itself.
 
bones said:
Right - so when things are normal. Manufacturing and services running as normal we're not at our best but when a good portion of our country is doing nothing we are.

These celebrities need to stay quiet. The quicker this show is over the better for everyone. As I predicted a month ago, more people I know have been impacted by the measures/restrictions than from the illness itself.
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Prince William is correct. Britons unite and start to fight when backed into a corner. There are numerous examples.
 
Robert said:
Prince William is correct. Britons unite and start to fight when backed into a corner. There are numerous examples.
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Is it any different for other nations? If anything the selfish buying at supermarkets highlights just how this is not the case. There are people and some local shops still exploiting the situation by hiking up the prices, Chappatti flour usually selling for £12/13 for 25k is going over £30 at some places. There are many examples of how we are not "in it together" or "at our best".

That said there are a couple of sectors that have shone brightly - the NHS and the supermarket staff. The supermarket staff deserve pay increases before anyone else in my opinion.
 
Another 717 coronavirus patients have died in UK hospitals, taking the nationwide total to 11,329.

It is the lowest increase recorded over the Bank Holiday weekend, after 980 on Friday, which surpassed the worst confirmed daily totals in Italy and Spain, 917 on Saturday and 737 on Sunday.

The number of people who have been tested for COVID-19, the disease caused by coronavirus, rose to 290,720 following another 15,506 tests on Monday - with 88,821 having now tested positive in the UK.
The figures were announced by the Department of Health.
 
Vallance: Government reviewing mask guidance

The BBC's David Shukman asks if the government could change its advice about wearing masks outdoors as more countries introduce recommendations to wear them outside.

Patrick Vallance says the government would change its mind if the evidence showed it was the right thing to do.

He says there is a review ongoing at the moment over evidence on the impact of wearing masks, and says they have already seen "more persuasive" data on it stopping you passing on the virus, rather than catching it. But the advice has yet to change, he adds.

Asked about what moves the government would make to reduce the lockdown measures in the UK ahead of a review later this week, Dominic Raab says it is "far too early to talk about that".

He adds: "We are still going through the peak. We are doing all the work in government to assess the evidence and we will be guided by the science.

"But until we have got that evidence, we will be getting ahead of ourselves. Our focus is to keep up that national effort [on social distancing]."
 
Graph: Coronavirus patients in GB hospital beds

Here is the government graph showing the number of people in hospital with Covid-19, by GB region, over time.

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UK 'tracking behind Italy'

Sir Patrick Vallance says the UK is "tracking behind Italy" on deaths from coronavirus. He says he expects deaths to plateau for a while then decrease.

Here is the government's global graph.

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Another 717 coronavirus patients have died in UK hospitals, taking the nationwide total to 11,329.

It is the lowest increase recorded over the Bank Holiday weekend, after 980 on Friday, which surpassed the worst confirmed daily totals in Italy and Spain, 917 on Saturday and 737 on Sunday.

The number of people who have been tested for COVID-19, the disease caused by coronavirus, rose to 290,720 following another 15,506 tests on Monday - with 88,821 having now tested positive in the UK.

The figures were announced by the Department of Health.

NHS England announced another 667 coronavirus patients had died in hospitals in England, taking the total in the country to 10,261.

Of those latest deaths, 118 occurred on 12 April while 537 took place between 1 April and 11 April.

The remaining 12 deaths happened last month, going back as far as 26 March.

Patients were aged between 17 and 101 - and 40 of those (aged 37 to 98) had no underlying health conditions.

Another nine deaths were also recorded in Scotland, 15 in Wales, and six in Northern Ireland.

The different nations in the UK collate their figures at different times throughout the day, so there are sometimes discrepancies between the government's total and when each nation's numbers are added together.

According to the regional statistics, the number of deaths now stands at:

England - 10,261
Scotland - 575
Wales - 384
Northern Ireland - 124

Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has warned that figures are always expected to be lower after the weekend because of how they are reported, and anticipates higher increases in the coming days.

The SNP leader also told her daily news briefing that the UK lockdown was likely to be extended this week, taking it beyond the original three-week timeframe set out by Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab is still deputising for Mr Johnson while he recovers from coronavirus, after being discharged from hospital on Easter Sunday.

Mr Raab chaired a meeting focused on the outbreak on Monday morning and will lead the government's press conference later, although official confirmation of an extension to the lockdown is not expected until later this week.

Government figures have repeatedly insisted that no decision will be made until evidence on the impact of social distancing measures has been analysed by the the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE).

SAGE is due to meet this week and present its findings to the government.

Measures are starting to be relaxed in one of Europe's most badly hit countries, Spain, where some non-essential workers are returning to their jobs.

It comes after Spain reported its lowest daily growth in confirmed coronavirus infections in three weeks, with 517 fatalities recorded on Monday - down from 619 on Sunday.

Spain's total death count is 17,489 and its number of confirmed cases - 169,496 - puts it behind only the US globally, according to official figures being tracked by Johns Hopkins University.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...ish-hospitals-taking-total-to-10-261-11972586
 
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has reported that for the first day in a week, the state has seen less than 700 deaths from Covid-19.

He said "the worst is over - if we continue to be smart".

In his daily press briefing from Albany, he said: "God did not do that. Fate did not do that. Destiny did not do that. A lot of pain and suffering did that.

"If we do something stupid, you will see those numbers go right back up tomorrow," he warned, adding that official death toll now stood at 10,056.

Quoting wartime British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, as he has often in his news conferences, he called this moment "the end of the beginning".

Cuomo added that he would be speaking with other state governors about a "geographically co-ordinated" plan to re-open the economy by "recalibrating" what jobs were deemed essential.

His statement came an hour after President Trump tweeted: "A decision by me, in conjunction with the governors and input from others, will be made shortly!"
 
Looks like at least another 4 weeks of lockdown in the UK, although it could be longer.
 
Saj said:
Looks like at least another 4 weeks of lockdown in the UK, although it could be longer.
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I don’t mind it. As long as they take the French approach and announce their exit strategy. Another announcement of an extension with no strategy in place would cause severe civil unrest
 
Manunited18 said:
You are being way over the top, this pandemic has obviously caught out alot of countries, But the great thing about the UK is it's diversity in difficult times by the majority of the population, I was actually giving the Tories the benefit of the doubt before this pandemic broke out in regards to the spending plans they were going to implement in all aspects of society and all the region's of the country, Boris for me alongside sunik could have driven uk in to a new dawn of success before this once in a life time circumstances
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UK collected over £620 billion in tax revenue last year. How much did Turkey collect? Everyone was caught up, it's embarrasing a poorer nation has to send us equipment?
 
KingKhanWC said:
UK collected over £620 billion in tax revenue last year. How much did Turkey collect? Everyone was caught up, it's embarrasing a poorer nation has to send us equipment?
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I see it as a positive, future relations with turkey improving both with trade and trust, also don't forget China has supplied us with alot of ppe equipment which all in all could be positive now that were exiting eu
 
Rana said:
I don’t mind it. As long as they take the French approach and announce their exit strategy. Another announcement of an extension with no strategy in place would cause severe civil unrest
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Can't see schools opening up before September to be honest, were lacking in testing therefore how can it be safe to open schools up which will completely go against the social distancing guide and with a lack of testing
 
Manunited18 said:
I see it as a positive, future relations with turkey improving both with trade and trust, also don't forget China has supplied us with alot of ppe equipment which all in all could be positive now that were exiting eu
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Thats great. Improving relations etc etc. I agree.

Im asking a very simple question bro. UK is richer than Turkey, we pay more taxes, I pay more taxes than a Turk with the same means. so the question is...

Why is Turkey giving us aid? Surely it should be the opposite?
 
bones said:
Is it any different for other nations? If anything the selfish buying at supermarkets highlights just how this is not the case. There are people and some local shops still exploiting the situation by hiking up the prices, Chappatti flour usually selling for £12/13 for 25k is going over £30 at some places. There are many examples of how we are not "in it together" or "at our best".

That said there are a couple of sectors that have shone brightly - the NHS and the supermarket staff. The supermarket staff deserve pay increases before anyone else in my opinion.
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Those people are a disgrace. If this was wartime, those hoarders and profiteers would be prosecuted.

I prefer to look at the example of the little shop in my village which is delivering food to at-risk people via a network of volunteers.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Thats great. Improving relations etc etc. I agree.

Im asking a very simple question bro. UK is richer than Turkey, we pay more taxes, I pay more taxes than a Turk with the same means. so the question is...

Why is Turkey giving us aid? Surely it should be the opposite?
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It's called a gesture of goodwill in the time of a crisis, i fully understand you point bro, the past tory governments havecwrecked havoc on social cuts, be it nhs, or others
 
Latest developments in the UK

Scientific advisers for the government will meet later on Tuesday to review the impact of the UK's coronavirus lockdown measures. The UK is in its fourth week of lockdown and foreign secretary Dominic Raab has said the government does not expect to make changes to restrictions this week.

More developments from the UK:

As of Monday, the official death toll recorded by the Department of Health's rose to 11,329 - up by 717 over the previous day
A six-month-old baby is being treated in hospital for coronavirus, her parents have said
Thirteen residents of a County Durham care home died after showing symptomsof coronavirus.
There are 2,099 care homes in England with cases of the virus
About 12% of firefighters and control room staff in some areas are self-isolating during the coronavirus pandemic, says the firefighters' union
Eight crew members of a cruise ship moored in the Firth of Forth have tested positive
 
MenInG said:
Latest developments in the UK

Scientific advisers for the government will meet later on Tuesday to review the impact of the UK's coronavirus lockdown measures. The UK is in its fourth week of lockdown and foreign secretary Dominic Raab has said the government does not expect to make changes to restrictions this week.

More developments from the UK:

As of Monday, the official death toll recorded by the Department of Health's rose to 11,329 - up by 717 over the previous day
A six-month-old baby is being treated in hospital for coronavirus, her parents have said
Thirteen residents of a County Durham care home died after showing symptomsof coronavirus.
There are 2,099 care homes in England with cases of the virus
About 12% of firefighters and control room staff in some areas are self-isolating during the coronavirus pandemic, says the firefighters' union
Eight crew members of a cruise ship moored in the Firth of Forth have tested positive
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I think the figure is higher than 11,329 today as this scourge is cutting down whole nursing homes full of elders and these figures are not counted (and I expect never will be).
 
Bus drivers are "terrified for their lives" after a number of transport staff across the UK have died with coronavirus, a union official told the BBC.

"I'm hearing horrific stories every hour of every day. They are sitting at the sharp end, dealing with cash and the virus can be passed on to them in a second," said Bobby Morton, Unite's national officer for passenger transport.

Morton's comments come after the Mayor of London Sadiq Khan said on Monday that 21 transport workers in the capital had died with the virus, including 15 bus workers. There have also been deaths elsewhere, including in Birmingham and Bristol.

Last week the Rail, Maritime and Transport (RMT) union said transport staff should stop working if they were not given the right safety equipment.

Transport for London (TfL) announced last week that it was trialling a new system that will see passengers board via doors in the middle of a bus to reduce contact with drivers.
 
Robert said:
I think the figure is higher than 11,329 today as this scourge is cutting down whole nursing homes full of elders and these figures are not counted (and I expect never will be).
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There are plenty of unknown deaths being reported as Covid 19. So the figure is flawed one way or another
 
Surge in coronavirus deaths in UK care homes - ONS

New figures from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) show that 217 deaths in care homes in England and Wales have mentioned Covid-19 this year.

That was more than 10 times the number that had been recorded by the end of the previous week.

Two of the country's leading care home companies published their own figures on Tuesday, showing 521 deaths in recent weeks.

HC One said that as of 8pm on Monday there had been 311 deaths and 2,447 cases of suspected or confirmed Covid-19 in the company's 329 homes.

MHA said there have been 210 deaths across its 131 homes.

The ONS figures come as leading charities warn that many older people are being "airbrushed" out of coronavirus figures in the UK.

Currently, the government's daily toll does not include deaths outside of hospitals.

Of the 406 deaths involving Covid-19 in England and Wales registered in the year up to April 3, that occurred outside hospitals:

217 took place in care homes
33 in hospices
136 in homes
3 in other communal establishments, and
17 elsewhere
 
London, United Kingdom - Concerns have been raised that right-wing voices in the United Kingdom could fuel Islamophobia, after a commentator suggested a "spike" in coronavirus cases during Ramadan.

Andrew Pierce, a journalist for the Daily Mail tabloid, tweeted on Sunday: "If families gather for holy month of Ramadan will there be a huge spike in Covid cases. Doctors are very worried."

His tweet was met with anger by academics, journalists and activists alike who accused him of raising unsubstantiated claims.

An article published by The Times on the same day evoked similar sentiments, after it, too, suggested an increase in coronavirus cases due to a predicted increase in gatherings during Ramadan - despite social distancing regulations - leading with the headline, "Experts fear a spike in UK coronavirus cases during Ramadan".

Among those critical of this rhetoric was Miqdaad Versi, a spokesperson for the Muslim Council of Britain. Speaking to Al Jazeera English, he said it was of paramount importance "to guard against far-right rhetoric" which scapegoated Muslims as a "threat to the rest of society".

If families gather for holy month of Ramadan will there be a huge spike in Covid cases. Doctors are very worried

— Andrew Pierce (@toryboypierce) April 12, 2020
"We've witnessed these through a number of false stories peddled from the start of the pandemic, such as all mosques being kept open, Muslims secretly congregating - and even that Muslims were going to gather together in the month of Ramadan, all against government guidance," said Versi.

Given that the first five doctors to die from coronavirus were from Muslim backgrounds, Versi added such narratives erased the sacrifice of those on the front lines.

"These stories are not only untrue and dangerous, but also undermine the mammoth work of Muslims in supporting the national effort, from working on the front line, with a number of Muslim medics having lost their lives, to setting up community initiatives to help those who are vulnerable.

"We can only urge mainstream commentators to avoid such an irresponsible and reckless framing, especially at a time when community solidarity is all the more important," he added.

Tell Mama, a group which monitors anti-Muslim attacks, reported dozens of incidents in March, where far-right groups were supposedly spreading conspiracy theories blaming Muslims for the COVID-19 pandemic.

The group have also had to debunk numerous social media posts spreading fake news. Among them was a tweet alleging some Muslims in Wembley, northwest London, were ignoring social distancing regulations by praying on the road.

Suriyah Bi is a lecturer at London's School of Oriental and African Studies, conducting research into how British Muslims prepare and cope with the coronavirus. Speaking of her findings, having so far surveyed 283 people, Bi told Al Jazeera:

"Blaming Muslims for the spread of the virus is absolutely unfounded, as our ongoing study demonstrates that 100 percent of British Muslims who have thus far taken part in the study are strongly adhering to social distancing measures and are not attending religious and social gatherings."

In 2018, the Royal College of Psychiatrists voiced concerns over the disproportionate and "significant, negative impact" of racism on "a person's life chances and mental health" in communities from Black and Minority Ethnic backgrounds. Citing the findings of the report, Bi voiced additional concerns over how scapegoating narratives could "pose a risk to public health" as such could exacerbate the "social-psychological impact" of a community already under strain.

"We know that the first 10 doctors who have died from the virus [in the UK] are BAME, and the population is known to be at greater risk of infection. We do not know if socio-psychological factors, including those brought on by Islamophobia and discrimination, increase risk levels.

"Indications from a cross-section of data from mental health, socioeconomic status and discrimination suggest there is a correlation. Thus, we must treat any scapegoating narratives as posing a risk to public health."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ict-ramadan-virus-spread-200413170844190.html
 
Rana said:
There are plenty of unknown deaths being reported as Covid 19. So the figure is flawed one way or another
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No they are not. When the patient dies we confirm if he/she was covid positive or not and if the death was due to Covid or not, the appropriate death certificate is then produced by the examining doctor and that information is then passed onto the hierarchy. Unless you're accusing all of us health workers, doctors and nurses as frauds.

In other news, there have been 100s of deaths related to Covid outside hospitals, not surprising and sad as being reported now on BBC.
 
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In charts: The deadly impact of coronavirus in the UK

These graphs help explain the deadly impact of coronavirus in the UK.

Official figures show the number of deaths in England and Wales has reached record levels - largely down to the coronavirus outbreak.

More than 16,000 weekly deaths were recorded in the seven days ending 3 April - about 6,000 more than statisticians would normally expect at this time.

Coronavirus cases contributed just over half of these "extra" deaths and we know there have been many more since that date.

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[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] thought you'd be interested to know the weekly death data for the week ending the 3rd April is now available. In that week England and Wales saw more deaths than any since records began with 6,082 more deaths than the equivalent week has seen on average in the last 5 years. Let's not forget that at that time the UK only had 32% of the amount of deaths with coronavirus that it currently has.
 
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