Could BCCI be intentionally sabotaging ICC events to keep IPL above a level?

[Major]

Is BCCi trying to sabotage this current world cup for the sake of making IPL a bigger marquee event?

The opening ceremony not taking place is really a concern because India loves to do these ceremonies hefore any major event.

Than a chunk of the tickets were not sold to public but given out to corporate friends.

Plus, the schduling was change around alot.

Would any of these issues existed in IPL?

Could it be that they want the charm of ICC events to go down for IPL?

 

[ArabKnight]

They always wanted to leave the ICC and form their own international cricket council.

They are deeply concerning devilish behavior.


I hope we never see a India-Pakistan match ever again. I don’t want my country to play against un-gentleman, rude, disrespectful opponents like the Indians.

 

[ahmadharis1]

I mean it's a pretty big leap

It's probably more due to their incompetence than any malicious intent

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Also scheduling Pakistan on a Friday?..

 

[kumjsr]

Could be. The tournament has already proven to be massive failure with security issues, facilities issues, scheduling issues. Last time a WC tournament flopped like this was in 2007 and for other reasons.

High time ICC takes action against BCCI for this failure.

 

[Mankaded]

Also scheduling Pakistan on a Friday?..

What has that got to do with anything? Pak has a pretty good schedule with only two matches on a Monday and a Tuesday. so a lot more viewership expected.

 

[Devadwal]

Enjoy the world cup. Don't always think about conspiracy theory

 

[boomboomcheema]

That's what I thought too. Why wouldn't you start the tournament with an opening match which involves India ? If not that why organize the neutral match at a stadium with 25 k Capacity rather than a mammoth stadium where you are guaranteed to see a majority empty stadium ?

I see they are deliberately trying to make a case that ODi Cricket has no takers so might kill the format and it's World Cup in order to expand the IPL. This could only be a deliberate move I don't think a sporting organization could be so incompetent of hosting world cup opener in an empty stadium .

 

[the Great Khan]

Probably just teething issues. They'll get their act together eventually. It's the typical chulta hay attitude but then suddenly doing everything last minute when the boss shouts at you.

 

[Saanji]

They always wanted to leave the ICC and form their own international cricket council.

They are deeply concerning devilish behavior.


I hope we never see a India-Pakistan match ever again. I don’t want my country to play against un-gentleman, rude, disrespectful opponents like the Indians.

ICC is welcome to chuck out BCCI

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Is BCCi trying to sabotage this current world cup for the sake of making IPL a bigger marquee event?

The opening ceremony not taking place is really a concern because India loves to do these ceremonies hefore any major event.

Than a chunk of the tickets were not sold to public but given out to corporate friends.

Plus, the schduling was change around alot.

Would any of these issues existed in IPL?

Could it be that they want the charm of ICC events to go down for IPL?

Bro in your other thread you said BCCI is incompetent thats why this mess.

Now you think its a conspiracy to kill ODI cricket so that IPL can be famous.

So are they devious or incompetent?

Pick a choice.

 

[deltexas]

BCCI never cared about Indian fans or fans who support the game. All they care for is sponsorships. But this is shocking - a WC in India and no real buzz. Not sure if it's bcos its ODI WC an not T20 but these are alarm bells. No opening ceremony - almost treating the WC lie a step child compared to IPL. For a good and healthy IP - you need good international cricket. Or else it will become monotonous.

 

[deltexas]

Can remember the buzz in India for 96 & 2011 WCs. Not sure if times are changing. But BCCI had the chance to make this a grandiose event with all glitz and try to take the WC to a next level. What a missed chance

 

[nish_mate]

Also scheduling Pakistan on a Friday?..

I might be wrong, but I remember in Sharjah India Pakistan matches being on Friday and neither set of players had any issues....

 

[nish_mate]

Can remember the buzz in India for 96 & 2011 WCs. Not sure if times are changing. But BCCI had the chance to make this a grandiose event with all glitz and try to take the WC to a next level. What a missed chance

96 there was a massive buzz for sure, 2011 had moved out. But 1996 it was a big thing.

 

[nish_mate]

Bro in your other thread you said BCCI is incompetent thats why this mess.

Now you think its a conspiracy to kill ODI cricket so that IPL can be famous.

So are they devious or incompetent?

Pick a choice.

BCCI are bumbling fools, no better than PCB, just got lucky in telly rights and had Lalit Modi being born on the right side of the border for them.... Rest BCCI are just the richer cousins of PCB, but mental nous of both boards is the same...

 

[FPresidential]

How come any world cup have opening ceremony in the middle of the tournament? The name itself implies at the opening of the world cup.

BCCI messed up, whether it is intentional or incompetent fool running the show, but they missed out on a huge opportunity.

 

[hassan918]

It is just the start of a very long tournament. Things are likely to get better in every aspect with every match.

 

[NishanKonar]

Have said this before & will repeat again. Cricket no longer generates the same craze & hysteria in India as it used to do 15-20 years back

There are many reasons for that. Lots of other entertainments options like cable tv, internet, gaming, social media, OTT. Rise of other sports like football, badminton , kabaddi. Right now Asian Games is getting more hype than cricket World Cup

Many Pakistani posters get upset when we say that India vs Pakistan rivalry is not such a big deal in India any more. But its actually true. Its just that our society is changing. The youth are no longer as obsessed with cricket as our generation( 90s kids) used to be. The older generation does not have the same enthusiasm for the game as they grow old. The recent Asia Cup is a good example. I was in office that day & most people in my office were not even aware that a India Pakistan match was on !

Of course due to sheer numbers & economic heft , cricket will continue to be big in India. But its slowly moving towards the kind of status cricket enjoys in countries like Australia / England. A popular sport but no longer accompanied by the sort of mass hysteria once associated with it

 

[NishanKonar]

96 there was a massive buzz for sure, 2011 had moved out. But 1996 it was a big thing.

This is true. 1996 World Cup was peak of cricket hysteria in India. The hype surrounding that Bangalore clash between India & Pakistan was insane

2011 was actually the first sign that cricket was slowly losing that mass hysteric appeal in India. Even though India won , we did not see those euphoric celebrations that erupted all over India after 2007 T20 Worlds victory

 

[Major]

Bro in your other thread you said BCCI is incompetent thats why this mess.

Now you think its a conspiracy to kill ODI cricket so that IPL can be famous.

So are they devious or incompetent?

Pick a choice.

its for the people to pick. Interestingly, no indian wants to make any comment on this as choosing any side makes them look bad.

 

[Itachi]

its for the people to pick. Interestingly, no indian wants to make any comment on this as choosing any side makes them look bad.

Because it isn't a binary question. This is actually a dishonest attempt.

I ask a question and restrict the answers to MCQ in a constrained mode in order to fulfil an agenda.

Obviously most people will avoid such low quality posts.

This thread couldn't generate much traffic even among pakistanis.

 

[rickroll]

I don't think BCCI is looking to sabotage the event. The Indians in general are very incompetent in organizing things. As much as the Indians like to brag they are a new "supa powa" they lack execution skills. BCCI is not sabotaging but Indians in general are incompetent when it comes to event organizational skills.

I would say South Asians in general have this mentality of not aspiring for perfection in many things. Besides western nations and countries like Japan or Korea, the Chinese also aim for perfection and you can see good execution as a result.

 

[Mahee]

IPL has killed the sport....Cricket used to be an exciting sport before the advent of IPL....I hope IPL dies.

 

[FPresidential]

Many Pakistani posters get upset when we say that India vs Pakistan rivalry is not such a big deal in India any more. But its actually true.

Bharat vs Pak game sold out?

And if more than half of Bharati are glued to TV to watch it then ....?

 

[Major]

Because it isn't a binary question. This is actually a dishonest attempt.

I ask a question and restrict the answers to MCQ in a constrained mode in order to fulfil an agenda.

Obviously most people will avoid such low quality posts.

This thread couldn't generate much traffic even among pakistanis.

is India incompetent when it comes to hosting an International event, or are they being incompetent on purpose for IPL.

Answer this, dont do ider ke uder baat

 

[Major]

Many Pakistani posters get upset when we say that India vs Pakistan rivalry is not such a big deal in India any more. But its actually true. Its just that our society is changing.

I agree.

Or else why would the ahmedabad stadium, with a capacity of 130K+ people be sold out. Indians just love cricket, they dont care about this rivalry, which is why 130+ people were (not) there in todays opening game.

 

[Stewie]

Basically, luch lafang ki kami is being looked at as lack of excitement and motivation for this tournament.

If their bollywood dancers and cheerleaders were dancing to extravagant backgrounds and colorful performances, we would say this is grand? is that what it has come down to? sharafat ka matlab simplicity nahi, lack of intent or excitement?

 

[NishanKonar]

Bharat vs Pak game sold out?

And if more than half of Bharati are glued to TV to watch it then ....?

Like I said India has huge numbers. Everything can get sold out easily. Even tv audiences will be big in relative terms. Ahmedabad has 6 million people. Do you think selling 120k tickets is a big deal.

Just that the craze does not exist. 20 years back when India played Pakistan in 2003 World Cup - it was curfew like situation in India. News channels kept hyping up that match for weeks. Now u wont see anything like that. Even on news channels you will find more coverage of Asian Games than cricket World Cup

Just check Indian twitter today. More discussions on Asian Games than cricket world cup. This is how India has changed over the last 20 years.

 

[Stewie]

Like I said India has huge numbers. Everything can get sold out easily. Even tv audiences will be big in relative terms. Ahmedabad has 6 million people. Do you think selling 120k tickets is a big deal.

Just that the craze does not exist. 20 years back when India played Pakistan in 2003 World Cup - it was curfew like situation in India. News channels kept hyping up that match for weeks. Now u wont see anything like that. Even on news channels you will find more coverage of Asian Games than cricket World Cup

Just check Indian twitter today. More discussions on Asian Games than cricket world cup. This is how India has changed over the last 20 years.

I guess cricket is a dying sports in India then.

 

[NishanKonar]

I agree.

Or else why would the ahmedabad stadium, with a capacity of 130K+ people be sold out. Indians just love cricket, they dont care about this rivalry, which is why 130+ people were (not) there in todays opening game.

You misread my comments

Indians dont care about cricket as much as they used to in the past. That includes India vs Pakistan rivalry. Cricket has ceased to be the sport that sparks mass hysteria in India.

 

[NishanKonar]

I guess cricket is a dying sports in India then.

Cricket is not dying. Its still the most popular sport in India by a long way. There are huge numbers of fans & with rising economic heft , Indian cricket will continue to be financial behemoth

Just that its not the only sport in India. And it does not command that mass hysteria any more

In 2003 when India lost to Australia in WC final - whole nation mourned for a week or so. In 2019 when India was knocked out by New Zealand in the semis - most people just moved on & next morning it was business as usual.

 

[Technics 1210]

Have said this before & will repeat again. Cricket no longer generates the same craze & hysteria in India as it used to do 15-20 years back

There are many reasons for that. Lots of other entertainments options like cable tv, internet, gaming, social media, OTT. Rise of other sports like football, badminton , kabaddi. Right now Asian Games is getting more hype than cricket World Cup

Many Pakistani posters get upset when we say that India vs Pakistan rivalry is not such a big deal in India any more. But its actually true. Its just that our society is changing. The youth are no longer as obsessed with cricket as our generation( 90s kids) used to be. The older generation does not have the same enthusiasm for the game as they grow old. The recent Asia Cup is a good example. I was in office that day & most people in my office were not even aware that a India Pakistan match was on !

Of course due to sheer numbers & economic heft , cricket will continue to be big in India. But its slowly moving towards the kind of status cricket enjoys in countries like Australia / England. A popular sport but no longer accompanied by the sort of mass hysteria once associated with it

IPL is killing the craze and if BCCI setup the second IPL window in the year then IPL will all but destroy interest in franchise cricket. Most Indians will not except this fact.

Pakistan vs India is the game. BCCI are even planning to have the opening ceremony before the match. Why? If the game is not as big you say?

Reason is Indians are tired of seeing IPL matches, tired of seeing India play Australia, England, Bangladesh etc repeatedly; they want something fresh and a match against Pakistan for this reason is totally in demand.

Simply, the more of something the less it is valued amd in demand, but matches between Pakistan and India are rare as rocking horse*!@', so are valued more thus in demand.

 

[Stewie]

Cricket is not dying. Its still the most popular sport in India by a long way. There are huge numbers of fans & with rising economic heft , Indian cricket will continue to be financial behemoth

Just that its not the only sport in India. And it does not command that mass hysteria any more

In 2003 when India lost to Australia in WC final - whole nation mourned for a week or so. In 2019 when India was knocked out by New Zealand in the semis - most people just moved on & next morning it was business as usual.

Sounds like due to saturation or overkill of cricket than anything else. We used to have 3-4 bilateral (at most) series a year, only one world cup every 4 years. some tri or quadrangular series here and there. now we have another format, t20 world cups every two years and all these franchise leagues.

plus this is a dying format as well. Contrary to what most people say, ODIs are not what they used to be and are on their death bed. Now that I am thinking about it, I can think of a few more plausible reasons for the poor crowd turnout than "we got other sports" or "better things to do" because none of them seem to make sense to me.

What else is going on in India right now that the public would be more interested in?

 

[NishanKonar]

Sounds like due to saturation or overkill of cricket than anything else. We used to have 3-4 bilateral (at most) series a year, only one world cup every 4 years. some tri or quadrangular series here and there. now we have another format, t20 world cups every two years and all these franchise leagues.

plus this is a dying format as well. Contrary to what most people say, ODIs are not what they used to be and are on their death bed. Now that I am thinking about it, I can think of a few more plausible reasons for the poor crowd turnout than "we got other sports" or "better things to do" because none of them seem to make sense to me.

What else is going on in India right now that the public would be more interested in?

There are lots of things. Like cable tv, OTT, internet , gaming , social media

In the 90s India was desperately poor. For most Indians entertainment meant cricket & Bollywood. One reason both were so big

But last few years with rising prosperity, Indians have far more options. Like K Pop, Afro beats, NetFlix, Amazon Prime, UCL, EPL, La Liga , NBA, Formula 1, Tennis, Super Bowl, Golf, Gaming, Instagram, Vblogs. Just look at record number of Indians who travelled to Qatar to watch Fifa World Cup. I myself was hardcore cricket fan in the 90s & 2000s but now I am more into football, badminton & wrestling

Also India started doing well in other sports. Today folks like Neeraj Chopra, PV Sindhu, Mary Kom are big superstars in India comparable to cricketers. So there is growing interest in other sports. IPL is not the only pro league in India. We have similar leagues for football, kabaddi, badminton, volleyball, handball, wresting among others. The football, kabaddi & badminton leagues are doing really well & growing fast in popularity

All this means cricket ( & Bollywood ) no longer has monopoly on people' attention. Of course they are still big but other fileds are slowly catching up

 

[FPresidential]

Like I said India has huge numbers. Everything can get sold out easily. Even tv audiences will be big in relative terms. Ahmedabad has 6 million people. Do you think selling 120k tickets is a big deal.

Just that the craze does not exist. 20 years back when India played Pakistan in 2003 World Cup - it was curfew like situation in India. News channels kept hyping up that match for weeks. Now u wont see anything like that. Even on news channels you will find more coverage of Asian Games than cricket World Cup

Just check Indian twitter today. More discussions on Asian Games than cricket world cup. This is how India has changed over the last 20 years.

I understand what you are trying to say here, more means and modes of entertainment, not just cricket.

But, the BCCI poor planning, do not care attitude is contributing to it despite a very healthy appetite exists from locals, abandoning the opening ceremony, ticket issues or what not.

Bharat still has huge population that could be tapped and make it a grand event, and people would be part of it, it is not bilateral tournament, it is the world cup, and other sports have their own place.

This is just ridiculous from BCCI, was not expecting grandiose or place a curfew kind of preparation but expecting the expected preparation and organization of the tournament, just as in other countries where cricket is not even that popular anymore, BCCI has decided to abandoned, almost as if for nefarious reasons.

 

[Itachi]

is India incompetent when it comes to hosting an International event, or are they being incompetent on purpose for IPL.

Answer this, dont do ider ke uder baat

define incompetence and "purposefully incomepetence" because these are subjective in nature and hence we both have to be in the same page in order to discuss.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

What has that got to do with anything? Pak has a pretty good schedule with only two matches on a Monday and a Tuesday. so a lot more viewership expected.

They gave prayers

 

[ArabKnight]

Have said this before & will repeat again. Cricket no longer generates the same craze & hysteria in India as it used to do 15-20 years back

There are many reasons for that. Lots of other entertainments options like cable tv, internet, gaming, social media, OTT. Rise of other sports like football, badminton , kabaddi. Right now Asian Games is getting more hype than cricket World Cup

Many Pakistani posters get upset when we say that India vs Pakistan rivalry is not such a big deal in India any more. But its actually true. Its just that our society is changing. The youth are no longer as obsessed with cricket as our generation( 90s kids) used to be. The older generation does not have the same enthusiasm for the game as they grow old. The recent Asia Cup is a good example. I was in office that day & most people in my office were not even aware that a India Pakistan match was on !

Of course due to sheer numbers & economic heft , cricket will continue to be big in India. But its slowly moving towards the kind of status cricket enjoys in countries like Australia / England. A popular sport but no longer accompanied by the sort of mass hysteria once associated with it

No one’s getting upset. But it’s rather India that is purposely trying to setup Pakistan rivalry matches.

- Reserve Day for Pakistan India match in 2023 Asia Cup when no one got reserve days
- Pakistan India match on a Saturday in the biggest stadium in India called “Modi Stadium” — named after a guy whose whole career has been whining and moaning about Pakistan… also having a “opening ceremony” for this same match

 

[kingusama92]

'Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.'

 

[Hitman]

No one’s getting upset. But it’s rather India that is purposely trying to setup Pakistan rivalry matches.

- Reserve Day for Pakistan India match in 2023 Asia Cup when no one got reserve days
- Pakistan India match on a Saturday in the biggest stadium in India called “Modi Stadium” — named after a guy whose whole career has been whining and moaning about Pakistan… also having a “opening ceremony” for this same match

That was because PCB requested it.

 

[U$ofA]

I don't think BCCI needs to sabotage WC to make sure IPL is supreme in India. It already is. IPL already has a larger audience and creates more $$$ than international fixtures for BCCI.

All you have to do is follow the $$money$$. IPL broadcasting rights are the highest in cricket. Current and historically. It also likely gets higher eyeballs, very good fan involvement in the stadium, bars and at home. I would even say that IPL is currently a couple of notches above India internationals when it comes to number of people watching it. Eyeballs are what matters to advertisers and that is what translates to $$$ for all involved.

So, I don't think the BCCI even need to try. But no harm in trying!

 

[Junaids]

Is BCCi trying to sabotage this current world cup for the sake of making IPL a bigger marquee event?

The opening ceremony not taking place is really a concern because India loves to do these ceremonies hefore any major event.

Than a chunk of the tickets were not sold to public but given out to corporate friends.

Plus, the schduling was change around alot.

Would any of these issues existed in IPL?

Could it be that they want the charm of ICC events to go down for IPL?

The OP is spot on.

ODI cricket is on life support outside Asia, whereas the World Cups in England in particular have always played to filled stadia.

Here we see the Indian organisers have shown staggering incompetence in scheduling the matches so late as to turn away at least 99% of the likely international cricket tourists.

But they have also let down Indian fans by playing matches between foreign teams in giant stadia which already see a lot of top quality cricket each year, rather than in less satiated centres where smaller stadia would have been full.

To me, there is a clear agenda to make international cricket look like IPL’s unattractive maiden aunt.

I think the BCCL has decided to exit international cricket and to run a multi-format IPL for most of the year.

 

[U$ofA]

The OP is spot on.

ODI cricket is on life support outside Asia, whereas the World Cups in England in particular have always played to filled stadia.

Here we see the Indian organisers have shown staggering incompetence in scheduling the matches so late as to turn away at least 99% of the likely international cricket tourists.

But they have also let down Indian fans by playing matches between foreign teams in giant stadia which already see a lot of top quality cricket each year, rather than in less satiated centres where smaller stadia would have been full.

To me, there is a clear agenda to make international cricket look like IPL’s unattractive maiden aunt.

I think the BCCL has decided to exit international cricket and to run a multi-format IPL for most of the year.

I don't think the BCCI needs to put too much effort into this. IPL is already king in India. They could be just nudging international cricket further so it falls further below the IPL in the pecking order.

Minimum effort needed to get maximum results.

 

[Junaids]

I don't think BCCI needs to sabotage WC to make sure IPL is supreme in India. It already is. IPL already has a larger audience and creates more $$$ than international fixtures for BCCI.

All you have to do is follow the $$money$$. IPL broadcasting rights are the highest in cricket. Current and historically. It also likely gets higher eyeballs, very good fan involvement in the stadium, bars and at home. I would even say that IPL is currently a couple of notches above India internationals when it comes to number of people watching it. Eyeballs are what matters to advertisers and that is what translates to $$$ for all involved.

So, I don't think the BCCI even need to try. But no harm in trying!

But frankly, so what?

The USA ALWAYS provides the largest number of visiting foreign fans at every football World Cup. (Albeit mainly wearing green Mexico replica shirts!)

Domestic US matches with Messi playing have the world’s highest ticket prices.

That doesn’t mean we give the USA the keys to drive world football. Somehow India manages to extort a disproportionate amount of power and money in cricket just because its TV stations pay a lot of money for coverage rights.

 

[ArabKnight]

That was because PCB requested it.

PCB requested match to be moved from Ahmedabad. Was totally ignored.

 

[U$ofA]

But frankly, so what?

The USA ALWAYS provides the largest number of visiting foreign fans at every football World Cup. (Albeit mainly wearing green Mexico replica shirts!)

Domestic US matches with Messi playing have the world’s highest ticket prices.

That doesn’t mean we give the USA the keys to drive world football. Somehow India manages to extort a disproportionate amount of power and money in cricket just because its TV stations pay a lot of money for coverage rights.

ICC is the culprit for BCCI's taking the share of revenues it does. If only they had a backbone.

 

[U$ofA]

How come any world cup have opening ceremony in the middle of the tournament? The name itself implies at the opening of the world cup.

BCCI messed up, whether it is intentional or incompetent fool running the show, but they missed out on a huge opportunity.

Where is the ICC on this? I mean it is the ICC World Cup. I have not heard or read a sing statement from them.

 

[U$ofA]

Sounds like due to saturation or overkill of cricket than anything else. We used to have 3-4 bilateral (at most) series a year, only one world cup every 4 years. some tri or quadrangular series here and there. now we have another format, t20 world cups every two years and all these franchise leagues.

plus this is a dying format as well. Contrary to what most people say, ODIs are not what they used to be and are on their death bed. Now that I am thinking about it, I can think of a few more plausible reasons for the poor crowd turnout than "we got other sports" or "better things to do" because none of them seem to make sense to me.

What else is going on in India right now that the public would be more interested in?

Perhaps BCCI have realized the rate of returns in international/ICC events vs IPL. For international/ICC events, they have 90% input for 39% returns. For IPL, they have 100% input and infinite returns.

Guess what majority of the people would pick.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Is BCCi trying to sabotage this current world cup for the sake of making IPL a bigger marquee event?

The opening ceremony not taking place is really a concern because India loves to do these ceremonies hefore any major event.

Than a chunk of the tickets were not sold to public but given out to corporate friends.

Plus, the schduling was change around alot.

Would any of these issues existed in IPL?

Could it be that they want the charm of ICC events to go down for IPL?

Yes. This is the first step.
Then, ICC stops making much revenue because ODI cricket and multi nation tourneys will start losing interest in India.
IPL will reign supreme, as it currently is and has more value per match as compared to Indian Cricket Team.
Figure this one out, One Match of IPL is making more money for BCCI as compared to a match where Virat/Rohit/Pandya/Gill are put together on ground in Indian jersey.
Then as ICC loses funding and money source from Indian market, it will cut back. That is the third step.
Fourth step, ICC cuts money to boards, especially PCB(90% of revenue comes from India, out of which PCB gets it share from ICC).
Fifth and final step, PCB does not get any money from BCCI as IPL will be running year long with Test Cricket amongst Big 3.

For PCB, it is a lottery. They can play it smart and attract ICC to set up office in Pakistan, host all the major championships and bring all the teams.

 

[chinaman00]

There is no sense in claiming the BCCI is undermining the World Cup, when it’s the host. No host will intentionally undermine a global event they are hosting. So these claims are just wild and the arguments made by @NishanKonar are most likely the reasons behind the low turnout yesterday.

At the end of the day, cricket isn’t a truly global sport and with south Asian fans being dedicated fans of their respective teams, it’s no wonder why stadiums aren’t being filled. As a true cricket fan, this hurts, but it’s what’s it’s.

 

[Varun]

Everything about the BCCI is mediocre.

If the OP's claim is true, unfortunately the IPL is the peak of mediocrity as well.

 

[Rajdeep]

Few things:

1. If I am not wrong, BCCI doesn't organize IPL but there is a 3rd party (Sunset Vine?) that organizes every production and logistical details of IPL for governing council overseen by BCCI.

2. Only 1 match has happened so far in this world cup but fans already cooked up multiple conspiracy theories...this is the 5th one I read. Why is it so difficult to wait for the tournament to get over and then judge whether its a failure or success? Same rona dhona was there during Asia cup and how rain will not allow any games. As it turned out not a single super 4 game got washed out.

3. Lastly it is unfair to compare IPL with 50 over WC. T20 cricket is simply a better view than one day match. Also IPL has Indian players rubbing shoulders with best of the best in the world. You cant compare it with international cricket. A premier league in UK will anyday get you more crowd and fans that say a Uruguay vs Italy WC match in Wembley Stadium.

 

[light]

IPL has killed the sport....Cricket used to be an exciting sport before the advent of IPL....I hope IPL dies.

This is highly unlikely. It is one of the richest sport franchise in the world. If IPL dies, PSL/BPL/BBL/etc who are close to nowhere near IPL will all follow.

 

[nish_mate]

its for the people to pick. Interestingly, no indian wants to make any comment on this as choosing any side makes them look bad.

I guess you selectively apply whos Indian or not??

 

[Junaids]

This is highly unlikely. It is one of the richest sport franchise in the world. If IPL dies, PSL/BPL/BBL/etc who are close to nowhere near IPL will all follow.

Much, much more likely is a split.

IPL will end up with 2 six week T20 windows and 2 four week 50-50 windows per year, and will take with it players like - in 2023 comparison years - Warner, Bairstow, Buttler, Boult, Southee, Williamson et al.

The remaining ICC will end up putting 20 international cricketers from each the 10 main Test nations on central contracts of between $100,000 and $800,000 per year, which they will top up in the Big Bash and the Hundred.

But that will use up all the existing ICC money. The Boards will earn their money from TV rights.

That’s where we will end up. And cricketers in their twenties will have to choose between playing for their country on $100-800K per year, or abandoning their country for IPL riches.

Let’s be honest: IPL is to cricket what the Saudi Pro League is to football. A pension fund.

 

[aukhan]

It makes no sense at all.

Stop blaming everything on BCCI. Who cares about some opening ceremony? If India is trying to kill the ICC event charm in their country, then so be it. It should not bother you or anyone else at all.

They can play IPL all year and leave international cricket for those who are interested in playing it.

 

[Mankaded]

They gave prayers

Friday prayers are 30 mins, 1 hour at the most with the Khutba, which is usually not that long if Pak are playing. Anyway Friday is a mubarak day also so no excuses.

 

[FPresidential]

Perhaps BCCI have realized the rate of returns in international/ICC events vs IPL. For international/ICC events, they have 90% input for 39% returns. For IPL, they have 100% input and infinite returns.

Guess what majority of the people would pick.

Bro, its the world cup, not punchayat's corner store.

 

[nish_mate]

Much, much more likely is a split.

IPL will end up with 2 six week T20 windows and 2 four week 50-50 windows per year, and will take with it players like - in 2023 comparison years - Warner, Bairstow, Buttler, Boult, Southee, Williamson et al.

The remaining ICC will end up putting 20 international cricketers from each the 10 main Test nations on central contracts of between $100,000 and $800,000 per year, which they will top up in the Big Bash and the Hundred.

But that will use up all the existing ICC money. The Boards will earn their money from TV rights.

That’s where we will end up. And cricketers in their twenties will have to choose between playing for their country on $100-800K per year, or abandoning their country for IPL riches.

Let’s be honest: IPL is to cricket what the Saudi Pro League is to football. A pension fund.

Lets be honest your punditry and forecasts are as accurate as Shaun Taits radar..... or Harry Brooks retiring in 2 years...

 

[hassan918]

It is definitely not the best of starts of the tournament with a few issues. In today's match we saw that scoring graphics were not showing for a few overs in the Netherlands innings.

 

[7sins]

they say because of the hot weather they didn't do the opening ceremony well its Cricket WORLD CUP you could have done ceremony one day before at night? its shocking to see empty stadiums

 

[JattMaula]

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

 

[Bilal7]

India is desperately trying to improve its image on a global scale, beyond just being known as the call center and scamming hub of the world. They would never dare do this on purpose.

It's simply incompetence and inexperience. This is the first time they are hosting a tournament on their own.

Pakistan will be under the same level of scrutiny in 2025 so hopefully the PCB is taking notes and will pass them on to whoever is the PCB chairman at that time.

 

[FPresidential]

India is desperately trying to improve its image on a global scale, beyond just being known as the call center and scamming hub of the world. They would never dare do this on purpose.

It's simply incompetence and inexperience. This is the first time they are hosting a tournament on their own.

Pakistan will be under the same level of scrutiny in 2025 so hopefully the PCB is taking notes and will pass them on to whoever is the PCB chairman at that time.

Pak won't host in 2025.

 

[Bilal7]

This is highly unlikely. It is one of the richest sport franchise in the world. If IPL dies, PSL/BPL/BBL/etc who are close to nowhere near IPL will all follow.

Not if the rumoured Saudi T20 league starts up. The sheikhs probably laugh at how cheaply paid these IPL stars are.

There are too many leagues anyways. There should be a max of five in Saudi, Pakistan, India, Australia and England.

 

[Bilal7]

Pak won't host in 2025.

Pakistan is scheduled to host the next Champions Trophy.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India is desperately trying to improve its image on a global scale, beyond just being known as the call center and scamming hub of the world. They would never dare do this on purpose.

It's simply incompetence and inexperience. This is the first time they are hosting a tournament on their own.

Pakistan will be under the same level of scrutiny in 2025 so hopefully the PCB is taking notes and will pass them on to whoever is the PCB chairman at that time.

Did you see the scoreboard in today's game? It was like something from the 1980's. So yes I would tend to agree, it's probably just incompetence.

 

[Moiza]

Did you see the scoreboard in today's game? It was like something from the 1980's. So yes I would tend to agree, it's probably just incompetence.

I couldnt believe that was the actual scoreboard for such a big stadium. Looked like a grade 5 project.

 

[saqib.rai]

Not if the rumoured Saudi T20 league starts up. The sheikhs probably laugh at how cheaply paid these IPL stars are.

There are too many leagues anyways. There should be a max of five in Saudi, Pakistan, India, Australia and England.

Sheikhs will never waste money on something that is not profitable. Or expected to earn profit in the future

See the turnout at the International League t20 in UAE. there is hardly anyone in the stadiums. That league will soon be scrapped

Having leagues in non-cricketing countries is a bad business idea and these league will not sustain. Will die out in some time

 

[saqib.rai]

The OP is spot on.

ODI cricket is on life support outside Asia, whereas the World Cups in England in particular have always played to filled stadia.

Here we see the Indian organisers have shown staggering incompetence in scheduling the matches so late as to turn away at least 99% of the likely international cricket tourists.

But they have also let down Indian fans by playing matches between foreign teams in giant stadia which already see a lot of top quality cricket each year, rather than in less satiated centres where smaller stadia would have been full.

To me, there is a clear agenda to make international cricket look like IPL’s unattractive maiden aunt.

I think the BCCL has decided to exit international cricket and to run a multi-format IPL for most of the year.

What makes you say that? Why would they want to exit international cricket if all their top cricketers play test matches. They schedule 5 test match series against Australia and England.
Virat would most likely retire from white ball soon but keep on playing test cricket.

PCB on the other hand schedules 2 test match series. In the last home season, Shaheen didn't play a single test match and Naseem missed all but one (unlike English cricketers who skip IPL before a major home season so that they dont get injured) There are more people in a domestic first class match in India THAN there were in the test matches we played at home
Our cricketers play leagues such as LPL before a long season that includes Asia Cup and World Cup. Our cricketers have now started signing 3 year deals with leagues without looking at our international calendar.

Enough of this BCCI bashing. I don't agree with most they do but unnecessarily criticizing them without any logic is just wrong

 

[Bilal7]

Sheikhs will never waste money on something that is not profitable. Or expected to earn profit in the future

See the turnout at the International League t20 in UAE. there is hardly anyone in the stadiums. That league will soon be scrapped

Having leagues in non-cricketing countries is a bad business idea and these league will not sustain. Will die out in some time

The International League has teams owned by foreign, mostly Indian investors. These guys don't have the money to make the likes of Kohli, Babar and Stokes sign exclusive contracts. The Saudi league will be at least partly owned by the state.

Would you not pay money to see Babar, Kohli, Shaheen and Stokes play T20s together in the same team? Especially, if this was your only opportunity to see them play in league cricket outside of their domestic competitions?

Of course you would. So would the cricket mad market of 2 billion in South Asia. The Saudis can easily accomplish their financial and soft power goals once they step into the cricket market. They would also do it at a fraction of the cost of the Saudi Pro League.

 

[FPresidential]

Pakistan is scheduled to host the next Champions Trophy.

Yea true but then so what?

 

[ChennaiFan]

Cricket is not dying. Its still the most popular sport in India by a long way. There are huge numbers of fans & with rising economic heft , Indian cricket will continue to be financial behemoth

Just that its not the only sport in India. And it does not command that mass hysteria any more

In 2003 when India lost to Australia in WC final - whole nation mourned for a week or so. In 2019 when India was knocked out by New Zealand in the semis - most people just moved on & next morning it was business as usual.

I agree with the bolded part.
It is interesting that people sitting in foreign countries counter that claim. But it is not surprising when I look at the quality of the conspiracy theories and discussions around it. It is good entertainment BTW.

 

[saqib.rai]

The International League has teams owned by foreign, mostly Indian investors. These guys don't have the money to make the likes of Kohli, Babar and Stokes sign exclusive contracts. The Saudi league will be at least partly owned by the state.

Would you not pay money to see Babar, Kohli, Shaheen and Stokes play T20s together in the same team? Especially, if this was your only opportunity to see them play in league cricket outside of their domestic competitions?

Of course you would. So would the cricket mad market of 2 billion in South Asia. The Saudis can easily accomplish their financial and soft power goals once they step into the cricket market. They would also do it at a fraction of the cost of the Saudi Pro League.

Indian cricketers would not be allowed to play there
So there goes 80% of the cricket watching audience. Will the SAUDI STATE lose money to cater to the other 20%?

Would Qatar have spent billions if European countries had boycotted the world cup?

 

[saqib.rai]

Cricket is not dying. Its still the most popular sport in India by a long way. There are huge numbers of fans & with rising economic heft , Indian cricket will continue to be financial behemoth

Just that its not the only sport in India. And it does not command that mass hysteria any more

In 2003 when India lost to Australia in WC final - whole nation mourned for a week or so. In 2019 when India was knocked out by New Zealand in the semis - most people just moved on & next morning it was business as usual.

It is still the ONLY sport in India. You guys won a single gold medal in the last Olympics. Don't act as if India is catching up on other sports- it's not

And the mourning part has to do with the fact that now there's an ICC EVENT every year. Plus in 2003, there was a whole 90s generation that had not seen India lift the World Cup

In 2019, that wish had been completed in 2011. So the hurt was a bit less

 

[ChennaiFan]

It is still the ONLY sport in India. You guys won a single gold medal in the last Olympics. Don't act as if India is catching up on other sports- it's not

And the mourning part has to do with the fact that now there's an ICC EVENT every year. Plus in 2003, there was a whole 90s generation that had not seen India lift the World Cup

In 2019, that wish had been completed in 2011. So the hurt was a bit less

No, it is not. In the 90's when the economic liberalization happened, a lot of cable channels came up, and a lot of media hype was created for cricket. That frenzy lasted for a long time. Of late, people are not mad and the attention of the new generation is divided. Cricket is still the most followed state, but I expect the percentage would be lower even when the absolute number is still high.

 

[Bilal7]

Indian cricketers would not be allowed to play there
So there goes 80% of the cricket watching audience. Will the SAUDI STATE lose money to cater to the other 20%?

Would Qatar have spent billions if European countries had boycotted the world cup?

Not allowed? How many Indian cricketers will care about their BCCI pensions or their place in the Indian national team if they are being paid USD 20-30 million per year to play in the Saudi league?

The BCCI will cave and allow them to play because 90% of their players would give an arm for that much cash. Either that or they play a 'D' team for a couple of world cups, get thrashed and are then forced to backtrack.

This isn't a number that came out of nowhere. This is what the Saudi league plans to offer the likes of Stokes. He spoke about it, you should read it.

 

[saqib.rai]

Not allowed? How many Indian cricketers will care about their BCCI pensions or their place in the Indian national team if they are being paid USD 20-30 million per year to play in the Saudi league?

The BCCI will cave and allow them to play because 90% of their players would give an arm for that much cash. Either that or they play a 'D' team for a couple of world cups, get thrashed and are then forced to backtrack.

This isn't a number that came out of nowhere. This is what the Saudi league plans to offer the likes of Stokes. He spoke about it, you should read it.

No one is paying cricketers 20-30 million dollars bro. The economics dont match up

Please stop acting like an idiot

 

[cricketjoshila]

The International League has teams owned by foreign, mostly Indian investors. These guys don't have the money to make the likes of Kohli, Babar and Stokes sign exclusive contracts. The Saudi league will be at least partly owned by the state.

Would you not pay money to see Babar, Kohli, Shaheen and Stokes play T20s together in the same team? Especially, if this was your only opportunity to see them play in league cricket outside of their domestic competitions?

Of course you would. So would the cricket mad market of 2 billion in South Asia. The Saudis can easily accomplish their financial and soft power goals once they step into the cricket market. They would also do it at a fraction of the cost of the Saudi Pro League.

Indian players won't sign up for this league just like fan backlash prevented Gavaskar and co. from signing up at the WSC.

Indian investors are not interested in signing up any pakistani in ILT20. But the Glazers did sign up Shaheen.

Pakistani players are available to most leagues they are not exclusive products.

Stokes too plays the IPL.