Could this be the real reason BCCI refuses to play against Pakistan?

[Monsee]

Now that we know how izzat besti is a 'Huge' thing for BCCI , never mind all the squabbling (s), infighting, corruption, defying court orders etc. which definitely brings more laurels on to BCCI. I have a different take on how BCCI is fighting tooth and nail to not to have to play Pakistan and also not pay any compensation. First let me say that irrespective of how rich you are, e.g. Mark Zuckerberg, Rupert Murdoc, Warren Buffett etc., one is never happy to pay up even after their own mistakes. How some of these rich folks live or do corruption etc. to increase their wealth is for all to see despite being extremely rich; keeping it all with them and maintaining higher levels of wealth is essential to them all!

So, the argument BCCI doesn't care for money because they are extremely rich is silly at best, poor on average. They would never accept any mistakes especially if it means losing some mullah. Now, to my main point, if BCCI was so concerned about attitude, behavior, respect (or lack thereof) from Pak players, they would have raised this as fiercely in the past as well. Unless my memory escapes any such examples, this was never really the case despite Pak players like Afridi, Sohail Tanvir etc. making silly comments (some in poor taste as well). I think, behind all this facade and trickery, lies the main issue: BCCI does not want to take the chance to be humiliated by Pak team just like it happened in Champions Trophy Final!

Yes, one can debate/say that Indian team is twice or 10 times better than Pak team (even though I don’t believe it), history shows us that whenever these series (one on one) happened in past, irrespective of which one was deemed stronger and favorite; most times the other team punched above their weight. Look at the very first test series between the two and see how a newbie team (Pak) defeated India in one of the tests so easily and with a very good margin as well. Some other examples are India's tour of Pak in 1989, Pak team's tour in 2005 under Inzi, obviously this last CT final etc.

Public lashing, criticism, protests, talks of final being fixed (by some idiots), etc. after the final has really put this fear in BCCI's management’s minds/hearts that they don't want to take the chance of another such fiasco. Obviously, despite the MOU (letter to some, MOU to others) mistake, they don't want to pay up either because not only it will set a precedent, they will have to pay up, eventually they will have to play Pak which brings in the ultimate issue i.e. chances of really catastrophic results such as Champions trophy in Tests as well!

Debate!


If you have something foolish to say, please don't reply. Disrespecting me or Pak or anything else will not help prove your point, no matter how correct it is!

 

[Someone]

Soo India scared of Pakistan !

 

[Peshwa]

Agree with you bro
These pakistan team is beast in every format..will thrashed Indian team in and out at every corner of the world

 

[aniket1911]

It's quite sad to see that the only ICC tournament in which Pakistan was ever able to defeat India in, is scrapped and hence rendered insignificant à la B&H World Championship Cup 1985 which India won by plummeting Pakistan in final.

So OP is quite spot on, another shtick by evil BCCI to deprive Pakistan of gloating about their only worthwhile victory against their bête noire.

 

[Varun]

If I was a Pakistan fan, I'd be disappointed not to beat India in the World Cup game.

Same conditions, similar teams, and a chance to end the streak. I would eat it all up no questions asked.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Also look at what happened the last time they played Pakistan in a bilateral series.

Were on the brink of an embarassing whitewash in front of their home crowd.

They immediately stopped saying "Aane Do" and have avoided Pakistan in bilateral series since.

 

[dhonixi]

[MENTION=44808]Gotham Cronie[/MENTION] i hope you remember last odi world cup match too, and Wt20 match too, and asia cup match too,where we embarrassed your team in front of whole world. But no indian is gloating that now.

 

[mankuTimma]

Lol at BCCI caring for results.... )

 

[Usman Chadda]

[MENTION=44808]Gotham Cronie[/MENTION] i hope you remember last odi world cup match too, and Wt20 match too, and asia cup match too,where we embarrassed your team in front of whole world. But no indian is gloating that now.

I agree. These matches were much bigger than the CT final in terms of stature. India has done well to be a bigger team and not troll us about three group stage matches. Why is India so good at EVERYTHING?

 

[Monsee]

Comprehension fail by most Indian fan replies so far or 'refusal to accept' that 'Fear' could be a factor!

No one said only CT Final was the case, I gave several examples and forgot that last ODI series in India where Pak beat them to bloody pulp. Anyway, continue to live in denial for all we care

 

[Gotham Cronie]

[MENTION=44808]Gotham Cronie[/MENTION] i hope you remember last odi world cup match too, and Wt20 match too, and asia cup match too,where we embarrassed your team in front of whole world. But no indian is gloating that now.

Brings it up and then says no Indian is gloating about it

Enjoy your one off group stage wins.

The only gloating the Indians were doing then was when they were joining their players in running around celebrating and hugging each other because they managed to barely avoid an embarassing white wash in front of their own home crowd.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Troll Bait thread. Doesnot matter.

PCB ko tab bhi ek phuti kaudi nahi milegi.

 

[dhonixi]

It is not mistake of india that Pakistan team is so inefficient that they do not cross group stages for many years. So all india have to do beat their behind whenever we meet in group stage or semis [MENTION=44808]Gotham Cronie[/MENTION]

 

[mastermind_quad]

Agree 100% ...

 

[kuskash]

I thought India were saying no to bilaterals even before CT final.

 

[Madplayer]

Arguments against this claim:

1) Indians have a better team overall so they shouldnt be scared. Better batsmen and competent bowlers.
2) India has had the wood over Pakistan in the last 10 years.
3) Pakistan generally lose to India in high pressure encounters.

Arguments for this claim :

1) BCCI believes strongly in marketting their product. They like to present their players as invincible athletes so that they could profit from them. If they fall against their rivals, the image of product will be hurt.

2) Pakistan defeated them in last bilateral series in their own home. And also in the CT final by a massive margin. The general H2H record is skewed in favour of Pakistan in ODIs and Tests.

3) Pakistan has some exceptional talent coming through now who are looking like they can actually beat good sides.

I think the statement that BCCI is scared would be too strong. If it is rephrased as "Bcci is unwilling to take undue risks" then it holds some merit. However, it isnt the only reason. BCCI also doesnt want to pay money to Pakistan. Thats a reality too.

 

[sshakir411]

Mere changes in policy will solve the trick for Pakistan...the issue is we just don't want to give the Indians what they want and the same goes for them.

 

[Savak]

Nah, the BCCI just doesn't want the PCB to financially benefit in any shape or form. Has nothing to do with the Indian Govt. Compensation will be paid out to the PCB..

 

[OoparCut]

Such a desperate CRY for attention by OP. Not unlike the constant stream of "MOU" statements from PCB.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Agree with OP. We Indans are afraid of series defeat by the hands of Pakistan like in 80s-90s and will further damage the overall win loss record. If series does take place, we should be allowed to bat twice in Odis and allowed to field 12 players to make game more competitive or else we will be getting constant phainty.

All hail mighty Pakistan team

 

[Rahul1]

At first I thought about giving the op a serious reply but then I saw the name of the op. Then I decided that this guy is not worth it.

 

[jaywcric]

India don't have toilets and is very dirty. Moreover, social condition of the country is patriarchal and poor. What I don't understand is why does Pakistan still want to play with such hopeless country. Please PCB, leave us Indians at our own peril.

 

[Square Drive]

Agree with OP. We Indans are afraid of series defeat by the hands of Pakistan like in 80s-90s and will further damage the overall win loss record. If series does take place, we should be allowed to bat twice in Odis and allowed to field 12 players to make game more competitive or else we will be getting constant phainty.

All hail mighty Pakistan team

Thank goodness you finally admitted it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Anyway, without wishing to upset anyone, we should look at the question of why would India fear losing to Pakistan. Do they think they are weaker? Not likely, they are probably stronger on paper. BCCI may well feel they have everything to lose and not much to gain. It's not a question of whether it would catch the public interest, both are strong teams and you could guarantee large crowds at any venue.

Perhaps history between the two nations has been too fraught with political tensions and that has spilled over into sport. Anyone can see the reality of it without going into too much detail.

 

[mankuTimma]

Anyway, without wishing to upset anyone, we should look at the question of why would India fear losing to Pakistan. Do they think they are weaker? Not likely, they are probably stronger on paper. BCCI may well feel they have everything to lose and not much to gain. It's not a question of whether it would catch the public interest, both are strong teams and you could guarantee large crowds at any venue.

Perhaps history between the two nations has been too fraught with political tensions and that has spilled over into sport. Anyone can see the reality of it without going into too much detail.

You are trying too hard.

 

[Peshwa]

Also look at what happened the last time they played Pakistan in a bilateral series.

Were on the brink of an embarassing whitewash in front of their home crowd.

They immediately stopped saying "Aane Do" and have avoided Pakistan in bilateral series since.

When last time India tour Pakistan India thrashed u 2-1 in test series
3-2 and 4-1 In ODI series
And Pakistanis still celelebrating 2-1 Aane do Series victory

 

[CanadianG00se]

Thank goodness you finally admitted it.

Now that most of us have admitted it, please spare our poor team alone. I mean we are not as strong as PCT.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

When last time India tour Pakistan India thrashed u 2-1 in test series

Lol guess we're just going to make stuff up now?

Last time India toured Pakistan for a Test series, they lost 0-1.

And perhaps read the context of the post before flying in with your BCCI cape.

Did the PCB cut off bilateral series after those ODI series losses to India? No, they went to India and whooped their butt in front of their home crowd.

Lost 2-3 at home to India? Go to India and embarrass them 4-2 after being down 0-2 on the series.

Lose 1-4 at home to India? Go to India and have them on the brink of a whitewash in front of their home crowd.

 

[Peshwa]

Comprehension fail by most Indian fan replies so far or 'refusal to accept' that 'Fear' could be a factor!

No one said only CT Final was the case, I gave several examples and forgot that last ODI series in India where Pak beat them to bloody pulp. Anyway, continue to live in denial for all we care

Fear is not one factor but its only factor bro
Indians are cowards..
Ths Pakistan team is Best team in the History of Cricket

 

[Peshwa]

Lol guess we're just going to make stuff up now?

Last time India toured Pakistan for a Test series, they lost 0-1.

And perhaps read the context of the post before flying in with your BCCI cape.

Did the PCB cut off bilateral series after those ODI series losses to India? No, they went to India and whooped their butt in front of their home crowd.

Lost 2-3 at home to India? Go to India and embarrass them 4-2 after being down 0-2 on the series.

Lose 1-4 at home to India? Go to India and have them on the brink of a whitewash in front of their home crowd.

LoL
Why u mentioned only test series result bro
What about ODI series 4-1 ����

 

[WengerOut]

LoL
Why u mentioned only test series result bro
What about ODI series 4-1

They were not motivated. We all know if they are, Pak cricket can beat Barcelona FC in football.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Mentioned the Test series because it was a blatant false statement.

And again, another comprehension fail by you. Read the very end of my post where I mention that ODI series loss.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nah, the BCCI just doesn't want the PCB to financially benefit in any shape or form. Has nothing to do with the Indian Govt. Compensation will be paid out to the PCB..

Why do you lie so shamelessly? How many times it has been posted that Indian govt has publically declared that there will be no series with Pakistan. Still you continue on your broken record?

 

[Savak]

Why do you lie so shamelessly? How many times it has been posted that Indian govt has publically declared that there will be no series with Pakistan. Still you continue on your broken record?

Because what I am saying is the real truth. The BCCI wants the PCB to be poverty stricken

 

[ahmedzee]

Isolation of Pakistan cricket was always the goal for BCCI. Nothing, and I mean nothing else mattered. Hence why such double policies when it comes to playing Pakistan (bilaterals vs ICC tournaments).

Unfortunately, they (BCCI) are not successful. Pakistan have won the ICC World T20, Champions Trophy and became the #1 test team since this "isolation".

 

[pratiktc]

Lol, this thread is so silly.
Please understand that the BCCI is, was, and has always been comprised majorly of a bunch of pragmatic, venal, opportunistic, fat cat politico-adminstrative types whose primary concern is lining their individual pockets and getting mileage for furthering their future political careers.

These guys have absolutely zero emotional capital invested in Indian cricket. For them BCCI is a means to an end. They would absolutely love to have series' with Pakistan, irrespective of whether Pak wipes the floor with India because the TV and ad rights for an Indo-Pak series is a guaranteed golden goose.

Unfortunately, a key aspect of the ruling BJP's political schtick involves disengagement from Pakistan. Thus, BCCI being the professional bootlickers they are, are ready to forego Indo-Pak series to keep their political masters happy.

It's not personal, mate. Just business. Most administrators around the world could care less whether their teams win or lose as long as they're drawing crowds and sponsors.

 

[Send1983]

Troll Alert. Hope OP remembers what happed last time Pak meet India in WC, WC T20, and Asia Cup.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because what I am saying is the real truth. The BCCI wants the PCB to be poverty stricken

What real truth? Any proof or its your imagination again?

The Indian govt wants no money to flow to Pakistan cricket from Indian market.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Lol, this thread is so silly.
Please understand that the BCCI is, was, and has always been comprised majorly of a bunch of pragmatic, venal, opportunistic, fat cat politico-adminstrative types whose primary concern is lining their individual pockets and getting mileage for furthering their future political careers.

These guys have absolutely zero emotional capital invested in Indian cricket. For them BCCI is a means to an end. They would absolutely love to have series' with Pakistan, irrespective of whether Pak wipes the floor with India because the TV and ad rights for an Indo-Pak series is a guaranteed golden goose.

Unfortunately, a key aspect of the ruling BJP's political schtick involves disengagement from Pakistan. Thus, BCCI being the professional bootlickers they are, are ready to forego Indo-Pak series to keep their political masters happy.

It's not personal, mate. Just business. Most administrators around the world could care less whether their teams win or lose as long as they're drawing crowds and sponsors.

Is that the reason for all the topi drama last time discussions got serious? So much to the point to where when they finally ended it and went to the GOI for approval, the window in the calendar had essitnatally passed?

 

[MMHS]

OP can't be more wrong than this - I am sorry to say. CT Final was one good day - if IND-PAK plays 5 Test, 6 ODI bilateral every alternate year in recent times, that favorable head to head will evaporate at a faster rate than ethanol. That 70s-90s domination was a result of few players holding PAK passport and they were born in PAK - Quaid E Azam style doesn't deliver Imran, Wasim, Javed, Zaheer, WY, Mazid, Asif.......

Why IND shouldn't play with PAK is plain & simple to me - it's a shadow war and GoI doesn't want PAK to make money out of IND. I can explain it in an essay, but probably won't be needed - more or less everyone knows PCB's capability of selling the most lucrative entertainment in a 23 crore market.

Besides, PCB is an animal farm - more than poultry, there are more hogs and dogs, busy biting each others back side. Best medicine for PAK cricket I can say from my vast experience is regular series with IND.

People has short memory, so they forget within few days and PCB people can sweep their floor, chair, table for sitting in comfort for next few months. It won't be so easy if every 1/2 years, that AUS/SAF sort of tour happens in the east front - PAK people'll snatch Chairman's sofa beneath his a$$.

I can categorically prove from history, that to fix PAK cricket, best medicine is Series with IND - these keeps the beast in check & honest.

Imran, Zed & few others went to Packer Series, morons at PCB didn't bother for 2 years, then suddenly door opened and IND was scheduled to come to PAK in 1978 - PCB Chairman coiled his tail and solved the issue in a week, all Packer players returned. Before that, a Packer reject PAK was man handled in ENG - who cares, lrake lenge agli baar, Pakistan Zindabad.

PCB changed 7/8 captains in 2 years, in late 90s, which included a 0-1 series loss at home to ZIM - nothing changed. Then suddenly IND tour was finalized - it took 2 meetings to clean trash and bring back Wasim as Captain ....... before that in 2 years musical chair had Sohail, Saeed, Latif, Malik .... even Rambo, trust me Rambo Raza to lead a side having at least 6/7 PAK ATGs!!!!!

I can go on - but bottom line is, if I were in charge as strategist for Indian cricket, I would have if required paid cash instead of playing PAK - that'll be the best poison for PAK cricket, I have full confidence on PCB in that regard.

Sorry for my harsh words, but reality bites.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

OP can't be more wrong than this - I am sorry to say. CT Final was one good day - if IND-PAK plays 5 Test, 6 ODI bilateral every alternate year in recent times, that favorable head to head will evaporate at a faster rate than ethanol. That 70s-90s domination was a result of few players holding PAK passport and they were born in PAK - Quaid E Azam style doesn't deliver Imran, Wasim, Javed, Zaheer, WY, Mazid, Asif.......

Since India and Pakistan resumed playing each other in 2004, when India has been going through their golden era and Pakistan through its worst, there has been no dent in the H2H.

They have won an equal number of matches vs each other.

India's best = Pakistan's worst.

 

[Mashup]

Brings it up and then says no Indian is gloating about it

Enjoy your one off group stage wins.

The only gloating the Indians were doing then was when they were joining their players in running around celebrating and hugging each other because they managed to barely avoid an embarassing white wash in front of their own home crowd.

Haha ,didnt the Indians beat you in inaugural wct20??massive revenge awaits you come wc 2019..you heard it first here..

 

[MMHS]

Since India and Pakistan resumed playing each other in 2004, when India has been going through their golden era and Pakistan through its worst, there has been no dent in the H2H.

They have won an equal number of matches vs each other.

India's best = Pakistan's worst.

It has dented - that 3:1 ratio, not is much closer.

I am well aware of the W/L ratio in recent times. Since 2004, to 2008, what was left still the skeleton of old PAK team - since then ......

 

[Mashup]

Since India and Pakistan resumed playing each other in 2004, when India has been going through their golden era and Pakistan through its worst, there has been no dent in the H2H.

They have won an equal number of matches vs each other.

India's best = Pakistan's worst.

How many wcs have you won??if less then stop blathering

 

[mankuTimma]

How many wcs have you won??if less then stop blathering

Champions trophy is bigger than WC

 

[Gotham Cronie]

It has dented - that 3:1 ratio, not is much closer.

I am well aware of the W/L ratio in recent times. Since 2004, to 2008, what was left still the skeleton of old PAK team - since then ......

Huh? Are you just making stuff up?

Since 2008 then if we're shifting the goalpost,

Matches: 16
India: 9
Pakistan: 7

 

[Send1983]

Since India and Pakistan resumed playing each other in 2004, when India has been going through their golden era and Pakistan through its worst, there has been no dent in the H2H.

They have won an equal number of matches vs each other.

India's best = Pakistan's worst.

How long you guys give this excuse that this has been your worst phase? I have been hearing this from pak fans since those Ws retired backed in 2003.

Indian team has been getting better and better since then.

Won a WC since then, your team won 0. Won 2 CT’s vs 1. Both won 1 t20 WC. Haven’t checked on Asia Cup tally.

 

[Send1983]

Huh? Are you just making stuff up?

Since 2008 then if we're shifting the goalpost,

Matches: 16
India: 9
Pakistan: 7

Good you did not include t20.

Btw many of those 9 wins came in World Cup and CT whereas Paks 7 wins have bilateral and kitply cups mostly, and a couple of wins in CT.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Why do Indians feel the need to lie? Do they think the rest of the world won't call them out on it? Does it make them feel better inside?

So in India's golden era and since the 2 Ws retired:

World Cups:
India: 1
Pakistan: 0

Champions Trophy:
India: 1
Pakistan: 1

World Twenty20:
India: 1
Pakistan: 1


One World Cup, that too in their own home, better.

Pretty embarrassing that this is India's best effort while Pakistan has been rebuilding.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

How long you guys give this excuse that this has been your worst phase? I have been hearing this from pak fans since those Ws retired backed in 2003.

Indian team has been getting better and better since then.

Won a WC since then, your team won 0. Won 2 CT’s vs 1. Both won 1 t20 WC. Haven’t checked on Asia Cup tally.

Please see the above post in reply and let me know where the new goal posts are.

 

[mankuTimma]

Why do Indians feel the need to lie? Do they think the rest of the world won't call them out on it? Does it make them feel better inside?

So in India's golden era and since the 2 Ws retired:

World Cups:
India: 1
Pakistan: 0

Champions Trophy:
India: 1
Pakistan: 1

World Twenty20:
India: 1
Pakistan: 1


One World Cup, that too in their own home, better.

Pretty embarrassing that this is India's best effort while Pakistan has been rebuilding.

Rebuilding for 10 years?

 

[Send1983]

My mistake I added CT count mistakenly.

Now let’s see Pak golden era of 80s, 90s up until 2003.

WC. India 1 Pak 1
CT. India 1 Pak 0.

 

[Send1983]

Rebuilding for 10 years?

They are rebuilding for 15 yrs. the way India team in going on being no 1 in test and and ODI by big margin. They will be rebuilding for ever.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

My mistake I added CT count mistakenly.

Now let’s see Pak golden era of 80s, 90s up until 2003.

WC. India 1 Pak 1
CT. India 1 Pak 0.

And most Pak fans will admit that the teams underperformed on the global stage.

But strictly Pakistan vs India:

Pakistan whooped up and beat up Indian when they were stronger.

India has been able to just match Pakistan when they have been stronger.

 

[kuskash]

Champions trophy is bigger than WC

What is WC by the way? I am familiar with CT

 

[Send1983]

Please see the above post in reply and let me know where the new goal posts are.

See my above post. There was no goalpost shift. It was just an honest mistake . Don’t have to use that for your advantage to look better in this argument.

 

[Send1983]

And most Pak fans will admit that the teams underperformed on the global stage.

But strictly Pakistan vs India:

Pakistan whooped up and beat up Indian when they were stronger.

India has been able to just match Pakistan when they have been stronger.

4-0 during your golden era. That’s what called whooping. Not 10-6 type of result.

 

[Rahul1]

Why do Indians feel the need to lie? Do they think the rest of the world won't call them out on it? Does it make them feel better inside?

So in India's golden era and since the 2 Ws retired:

World Cups:
India: 1
Pakistan: 0

Champions Trophy:
India: 1
Pakistan: 1

World Twenty20:
India: 1
Pakistan: 1


One World Cup, that too in their own home, better.

Pretty embarrassing that this is India's best effort while Pakistan has been rebuilding.

And it was the first time any team won the wc in their own country. You're making it sound like previously every team won WCs in their own country.

 

[Josh]

At present Pakistan ODI and test team is not a good competition to India. However it's a young team with a fantastic captain. Let's see where they go in about few months. I expect them to do well.

The main reason for CT win was some excellent show by Fakhar Zaman. Has he played some good ODI innings since then? In PSL he seemed to have an okay season.

 

[Napa]

Huh? Are you just making stuff up?

Since 2008 then if we're shifting the goalpost,

Matches: 16
India: 9
Pakistan: 7

Why do Indians feel the need to lie? Do they think the rest of the world won't call them out on it? Does it make them feel better inside?

You are not describing Indians, you are describing yourself. The real record since 2008 is not 9-7, it is 14-8.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...eam=6;template=results;type=team;view=results

 

[Mp812]

Now that we know how izzat besti is a 'Huge' thing for BCCI , never mind all the squabbling (s), infighting, corruption, defying court orders etc. which definitely brings more laurels on to BCCI. I have a different take on how BCCI is fighting tooth and nail to not to have to play Pakistan and also not pay any compensation. First let me say that irrespective of how rich you are, e.g. Mark Zuckerberg, Rupert Murdoc, Warren Buffett etc., one is never happy to pay up even after their own mistakes. How some of these rich folks live or do corruption etc. to increase their wealth is for all to see despite being extremely rich; keeping it all with them and maintaining higher levels of wealth is essential to them all!

So, the argument BCCI doesn't care for money because they are extremely rich is silly at best, poor on average. They would never accept any mistakes especially if it means losing some mullah. Now, to my main point, if BCCI was so concerned about attitude, behavior, respect (or lack thereof) from Pak players, they would have raised this as fiercely in the past as well. Unless my memory escapes any such examples, this was never really the case despite Pak players like Afridi, Sohail Tanvir etc. making silly comments (some in poor taste as well). I think, behind all this facade and trickery, lies the main issue: BCCI does not want to take the chance to be humiliated by Pak team just like it happened in Champions Trophy Final!

Yes, one can debate/say that Indian team is twice or 10 times better than Pak team (even though I don’t believe it), history shows us that whenever these series (one on one) happened in past, irrespective of which one was deemed stronger and favorite; most times the other team punched above their weight. Look at the very first test series between the two and see how a newbie team (Pak) defeated India in one of the tests so easily and with a very good margin as well. Some other examples are India's tour of Pak in 1989, Pak team's tour in 2005 under Inzi, obviously this last CT final etc.

Public lashing, criticism, protests, talks of final being fixed (by some idiots), etc. after the final has really put this fear in BCCI's management’s minds/hearts that they don't want to take the chance of another such fiasco. Obviously, despite the MOU (letter to some, MOU to others) mistake, they don't want to pay up either because not only it will set a precedent, they will have to pay up, eventually they will have to play Pak which brings in the ultimate issue i.e. chances of really catastrophic results such as Champions trophy in Tests as well!

Debate!


If you have something foolish to say, please don't reply. Disrespecting me or Pak or anything else will not help prove your point, no matter how correct it is!

What do you mean by could be? Even people in north korea and surinam who have no knowledge of cricket know it is fact? Why you have a doubt?

 

[Mp812]

Champions trophy is bigger than WC

kitply cup is bigger

 

[Usman Chadda]

When last time India tour Pakistan India thrashed u 2-1 in test series
3-2 and 4-1 In ODI series
And Pakistanis still celelebrating 2-1 Aane do Series victory

Pakistan won the test series last time India toured Pakistan.

 

[kuskash]

BCCI: all they care is money, they would like to play money rolling series regardless of results

GOI: if they allow to play against Pak, the ruling party may face bad sentiments from voters.

The reason is very clear why series is not taking place.

 

[zn426]

As others have said, it's got zero to do with BCCI and everything to do with GoI.
Personally, I feel that approach is foolish-not because of the money issue or anything else, but rather because playing Pakistan in cricket promotes a positive image of India. There was strong goodwill among Pakistanis after the 2004 tour towards India. It also forces PCB to be accountable and they have a measuring mark that they will be compared to.
Could you imagine if PCB was forced on a regular basis to answer the following questions?
"Why did Pakistan lose to India?"
"India has done X with its players, will Pakistan do the same?"
"Why are you not playing X player?"
The best thing about a rivalry is that the two sides are constantly competing to be better in everything than the other.
Of course, Pakistan has other issues beyond just cricket that need to get fixed. Cricket, while lucrative, is a relatively minor thing compared to issues such as relationships with China, CPEC, Indo-Pak trade, the problems with Afghanistan, etc.

 

[Chrish]

The series between these two teams would literally be the cash cow for both boards. And they won't care about nationalistic pride. At that level it's about $$..

 

[BreadPakoda]

OP makes somewhat a valid point.

No. 1 ranked team will always be more scared of losing to a rank 7/8 team than to rank 2-5. Its embarrassing not only on the field but also off the field due to the latter’s fans’ antics.

 

[kuskash]

OP makes somewhat a valid point.

No. 1 ranked team will always be more scared of losing to a rank 7/8 team than to rank 2-5. Its embarrassing not only on the field but also off the field due to the latter’s fans’ antics.

Do you really think BCCI is worried about losing to a number 7 or number 15 team? As far as they get money, they dont even care to lose to Somalia (this is a business and administration). GOI can't afford to lose next election.

 

[Titan24]

OP makes somewhat a valid point.

No. 1 ranked team will always be more scared of losing to a rank 7/8 team than to rank 2-5. Its embarrassing not only on the field but also off the field due to the latter’s fans’ antics.

Yes pretty valid, when in the last ODI that also in an ICC tournament a team loses by the margin of 180 runs it sure is gonna be scared playing the other team again. Winning by 10, 20 runs one can say is a bad day or luck wasnt by the side but 180 runs mean being completely outplayed in every single department. If they arent scared then they are not humans. Hahaha

 

[Itachi]

I think if an entity is scared against another entity, then it makes sense that, that entity will avoid facing similar conditions too.

By the same logic as OP, India should refuse to tour Australia more than anything.

It all boils down to market.

Excluding government intervention, Pakistan isn't a lucrative market for BCCI anymore. IPL gave BCCI the financial stronghold where it can call the shots. BCCI found alternative ways to get profit much more than India Pakistan bilateral series.

So even in BCCI, it isn't in the priority list.

 

[Rahul1]

Yes pretty valid, when in the last ODI that also in an ICC tournament a team loses by the margin of 180 runs it sure is gonna be scared playing the other team again. Winning by 10, 20 runs one can say is a bad day or luck wasnt by the side but 180 runs mean being completely outplayed in every single department. If they arent scared then they are not humans. Hahaha

Can you repeat that again? Can't hear you from the top of the rankings.

 

[Peshwa]

Can you repeat that again? Can't hear you from the top of the rankings.

ODI and Test Rankings are just farse
No one give damn to it

 

[ravisurya]

I think if an entity is scared against another entity, then it makes sense that, that entity will avoid facing similar conditions too.

By the same logic as OP, India should refuse to tour Australia more than anything.

It all boils down to market.

Excluding government intervention, Pakistan isn't a lucrative market for BCCI anymore. IPL gave BCCI the financial stronghold where it can call the shots. BCCI found alternative ways to get profit much more than India Pakistan bilateral series.

So even in BCCI, it isn't in the priority list.

But according to a couple of posters. PCB is the most valuable entity for bcci and icc. Infact all countries are making money only because of the PCB.

 

[Junaids]

NO!

The reason why the BCCI does not want to play against Pakistan is simple.

Other cricket boards derive much of their income from Private Indian TV stations buying the rights to the series which India plays away to that country. Even the ECB and Cricket Australia get as much income from 1 Indian tour every 3-4 years as they do from the sale of their domestic TV rights in their own country for a couple of years.

Everybody knows that the India TV audience would probably like a bilateral India v Pakistan arrangement something like this:

Year 1: India hosts 3 Tests, 5 ODIs and 3 T20i v Pakistan
Year 2: Pakistan hosts 5 ODIs and 3 T20i v India in England
Year 3: India hosts 5 ODIs and 3 T20i v Pakistan
Year 4: Pakistan hosts (probably in England) 3 Tests, 5 ODIs and 3 T20i v India

The audiences would love it.

The problem for the BCCI is that the PCB would become the third richest - and most powerful - board after the BCCI and ECB. And all because of Indian TV audiences funding the PCB.

 

[Toaster]

The only problem with this argument is that the poster is comparing the two teams on the basis of their head to head records while completely ignoring their performance versus other teams. Barring England, India has outperformed Pakistan in Australia, Sri Lanka, South Africa, West Indies and probably it's on par in New Zealand.

 

[RamLakhan]

If "results" was the reason to play against Pakistan, then BCCI would have went on to play against this juicy Pakistan team to balance their record against them! What a great team they have, getting beaten by mighty Sri Lanka and struggling against WI...

 

[Gotham Cronie]

You are not describing Indians, you are describing yourself. The real record since 2008 is not 9-7, it is 14-8.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...eam=6;template=results;type=team;view=results

If you're quoting my post, you'll see the conversation was about ODIs.

 

[Napa]

Why do Indians feel the need to lie? Do they think the rest of the world won't call them out on it? Does it make them feel better inside?

World Twenty20:
India: 1
Pakistan: 1


One World Cup, that too in their own home, better.

Pretty embarrassing that this is India's best effort while Pakistan has been rebuilding.

If you're quoting my post, you'll see the conversation was about ODIs.

In the "conversation":

1) You were replying to [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] who definitely was not talking only about ODIs. "if IND-PAK plays 5 Test, 6 ODI bilateral every alternate year" etc.

2) The "World Twenty20" are ODIs???

 

[Smbhayi]

Didn't you create another thread on same topic last year or so?

 

[MMHS]

In the "conversation":

1) You were replying to [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] who definitely was not talking only about ODIs. "if IND-PAK plays 5 Test, 6 ODI bilateral every alternate year" etc.

2) The "World Twenty20" are ODIs???

There could be many reasons, but "fear of losing" isn't certainly one.