And this is after me reminding him yesterday that the discussion was not limited to ODI right from the 1st post ( those posts got culled) ... he still went ahead and re-posted the same.
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And this is after me reminding him yesterday that the discussion was not limited to ODI right from the 1st post ( those posts got culled) ... he still went ahead and re-posted the same.
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I thought it was obvious. After seeing Indians reaction to the CT final i'm afraid another big loss might be too much for them. It was rather amusing seeing their ex-cricketers and celebrities being humbled, and of course their fans overreacting-as one would expect from them.
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[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] referred to the Champions League Final and how it was a one off and how the dominance in the H2H is due to the dominance of the team from the 70s-90s and I showed him the ODI stats of the H2H in the recent times.
I wasn't aware that the likes of Abdul Qadir and Imran Khan were playing T20s vs India.
But if mixing my posts and words make you feel better and more secure, go for it.
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Why would that be a problem for the BCCI? It is a sport after all, are they expecting the PCB to carry out subversive activity with those riches? Or is it just spite?
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Ditto, why do you think all these Indian fans started acting all weird the minute I posted this thread; trying to outdo each other as if ensuring their 'Fears'/Worries etc. can be masked by their 'insanely' phunny replies
Whether an Indian fan accepts or not, we all have seen the impact of such a humbling defeat by the reactions from their leaders, anchors, celebrities, fans etc. Just imagine such a scenario is repeated again or even worse a complete series is dominated by the 'Weak' Pakistanis? I can bet anything that none of the cricketer's houses will be safe from pelting fans.
If an Indian fan cannot see such a possibility, just take a gander in to the 2005 tour by Pak and how one of our weakest ODI bowling attacks steamrolled them over: Sami, Iftikhar Rao, Naved-ul-Hasan, Razzaq, Afridi, Hafeez, Arshad Khan, and Malik. Test attack was not any better either: Sami, Naved-ul-Hasan, Razzaq, , Afridi, Arshad Khan, M. Khalil, and Kaneria
http://www.espncricinfo.com/c/engine/series/61525.html
Not only did Pak leveled the test series with a famous win in the last test, they also whupped India in the ODI series as well after being down by a score of 2-0. So much so that the last ODI was won by a margin of 159 runs (does look quite close to the recent result as well)
Ditto, why do you think all these Indian fans started acting all weird the minute I posted this thread; trying to outdo each other as if ensuring their 'Fears'/Worries etc. can be masked by their 'insanely' phunny replies
Whether an Indian fan accepts or not, we all have seen the impact of such a humbling defeat by the reactions from their leaders, anchors, celebrities, fans etc. Just imagine such a scenario is repeated again or even worse a complete series is dominated by the 'Weak' Pakistanis? I can bet anything that none of the cricketer's houses will be safe from pelting fans.
If an Indian fan cannot see such a possibility, just take a gander in to the 2005 tour by Pak and how one of our weakest ODI bowling attacks steamrolled them over: Sami, Iftikhar Rao, Naved-ul-Hasan, Razzaq, Afridi, Hafeez, Arshad Khan, and Malik. Test attack was not any better either: Sami, Naved-ul-Hasan, Razzaq, , Afridi, Arshad Khan, M. Khalil, and Kaneria
http://www.espncricinfo.com/c/engine/series/61525.html
Not only did Pak leveled the test series with a famous win in the last test, they also whupped India in the ODI series as well after being down by a score of 2-0. So much so that the last ODI was won by a margin of 159 runs (does look quite close to the recent result as well)
But India has been against playing Pakistan way before the CT ... but since you are not really here for a serious discussion feel free to dance around it and indulge in some more trolling
Regarding H2H, I think number tells itself, so I don't need to drag here - that's for ODI. In Test, the show PAK batsmen put against Lankan spinners, who are more or less accustomed to concede 650+ for half Indian innings at 4.5 rate; I don't think I need to tell how long those 3-4 Tests head start will last if there are two back to back series with 10-11 Tests combined.
I don't think, T20 is part of the discussion here - I myself actually know that old PAK didn't play T20, hence my post didn't had that number. It's about ODI, and the "critical" discussion point here is that, BCCI is scared to avoid embarrassment like 18th June, fair enough. Truth is, to have a shot at such embarrassment, PAK has to make the point where losing to them is worth embarrassment - AKA - KO of ICC event.
The premises of this thread was "Embarrassment" such as the CT final ...... though, in same tournament IND won the previous encounter by quite a wide margin. CT 2017 was a great tournament for PAK, congrats for that - but, truth is that, if I can recall correctly, this is the 2nd SF or better by PAK since 2009 CT (other one was at Mohali). In the mean time, IND has won a WC, a CT, made finals of another CT & T20 WC, and SF of another 2 WCs of ODI & T20 - must be a concern for them to play PAK indeed.
This false bravado of superiority complex is indeed mentally satisfying, but truth is, they are screwing your incompetent board to beg around for a series against IND. Read [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] post, there is enough clue - I could have written exactly same, with numbers as well, but that would have been too harsh from me for some to swallow here.
And, I have absolutely no sympathy for PCB here - BCB won't be bankrupt without that $10-$12MN un-earned revenue from last years' cancelled Series, but it actually indicates, instead of 3rd/4th richest Cricket Board, even without BCCI - why this current state of PCB.
I will only repeat my question: The "World Twenty20" are ODIs???
No more replies from me if I don't see something sensible.
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Not sure what you are on about, can you advise which part of this whole thread displays this 'False bravado of superiority complex' in any of the posts from Pak posters unless there was some sarcasm at play? The main point being raised is not whether Pak team is the greatest or much better than their numbers etc. main point that I raised in the OP and in subsequent posts as well is that whenever the two teams have met, historically it is seen that the lower ranked has punched above their weight making the series more competitive or even winning it. Some examples were given as well.
Now as for the BCB bit in your post, I am least bothered about them due to their shenenigans with Pak and overall acting as pets of BCCI and this thread has not mentioned anything about BCB either; so please create your own thread and discuss there by all I care!
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Miss seeing Pakistan vs India on a reglaur basis.
Your entire initial post is displaying the feeling, and you didn't try to hide that with couple of bold lines. The title asks a question, which is fair enough, but the following was your prophesy, didn't keep it open for discussion.
Regarding BCB, your Chairmen are crying for 4 years now on a broken promise for their sold vote for BCCI's little mercy, but obviously you can enjoy another bravado of calling BCB as BCCI's pet - BUT, I do agree, last part of my post doesn't belong here. We can ignore that.
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I am a Pakistan fan and also a student of Statistics, I always look at whole picture. Bigger the sample more accurate the result, Statistically speaking.
in Total Pakistan & India played 129 One Internationals
Pakistan won 73 times while India only won 52 A huge gap of 21 more victories. Until that changes we have a better record.
using the same statistics, you can derive that most of the Pak wins are in bilaterals and Sharja. using the same statistics you will know that if India faces Pak in global tournaments the odds are with India
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And Unilaterals as well where Pak has better overall record as well (I think)...no wonder BCCI is so worried to avoid playing Pak at all costs one on one in Pak or in their own backyard!
Truth shall come out one way or the other
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For a second I thought this was a new thread made after Pakistan's performance against Kent. 
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For a second I thought this was a new thread made after Pakistan's performance against Kent.
After the CT, Pakistan has decided to lose their opening matches on all tours and then bounce back, forgot it in NZ odis but remembered it in the t20s
That is the fundamental reason behind why INDIA does not play PAKISTAN, and its not only the BCCI that do not want this it is also the Indian government that do not want this to happen for the exact reason of not wanting to be shamed, "aane do" loool
Wow some people are really delusional, facing no7 is big problem for no1 team who just beat previous no1 SA which was on 17 game home winning that too away from home.
Pakistan should thank its lucky stars that India has ceased playing them in bilaterals otherwise that so called superior record which was built on 1980s and 90s would not exist.
WI also had better record vs India in 1980s and 90s but look at the record now.Same thing would have happened to Pakistan too.
Pakistan should thank its lucky stars that India has ceased playing them in bilaterals otherwise that so called superior record which was built on 1980s and 90s would not exist.
WI also had better record vs India in 1980s and 90s but look at the record now.Same thing would have happened to Pakistan too.
LOL do you really believe ranking matters, when we the number 8th ranked team beat the number 1 ranked team in the champions trophy, you forget too quickly, also please look at the two teams respective rankings in the "aane do" series and get back to me.
Also with regards to your series victory over SA, just bare in mind they had 3 of there world class ODI personnel missing, AB, De Kock, and the captain FAF, so please keep things in context, and don't get carried away.
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So losing to Ireland and winning against England is the plan?After the CT, Pakistan has decided to lose their opening matches on all tours and then bounce back, forgot it in NZ odis but remembered it in the t20s
Honestly cant rule that out with Pakistan.
Did we not beat you in CT first match, why are so bragging about one match.
As far as SA goes Dekock played in first two games and was hopeless and his replacement won one single match which they won and AB played last three matches and they lost two. FAF was injured after one match and I don't think it would have mattered anyway.SA got hammered they would have lost no matter .
I am not getting carried away by any results, its you guys who are getting carried by couple of matches which in CT.India has been very good odi side and T20 side.It has made semis of almost all major ICC tournaments which no other team has done.
Pakistan is no way close to Indian team in any format , it will lose 95 out 100 matches in any format.
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No ones bragging about that one match although a final is a final mate, more so disproving your original point regards to rankings.
De Kock was not replaced he got inured, by the time AB came into the series there was no way they could win the series. How can you say a teams leader not being present would not make a difference, that's a bit ignorant. You know deep down the depleted top order and bowling attack gave India the opportunity to win the series, weather you wont to face up to it or not is another matter.
I have not denied India's capabilities as a limited overs outfit so i don't see the reason to mention how well they have been playing, in fact i would say there a difficult team to beat specially at home. Being a top team as we know they are, its beyond me why they fear Pakistan so much, apart from being scared to loose like the last time they hosted Pakistan.
Your final statement regards to a win loss ratio if PAK played India is just nonsense, you and I and the rest of the rest of the world know that is utter rubbish.
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We are terrified of playing teams that can't avoid being whitewashed by Lanka 
And struggling to compete with a second division county team like Kent too for that matter
And struggling to compete with a second division county team like Kent too for that matter 
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We are terrified of playing teams that can't avoid being whitewashed by Lanka
That too at home
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That too at home
Yes . At the legendary fortress that was the UAE.
So whats your reason for not playing us then, it would make great money, also you would get to beat your arch rivals win win situation by the sounds of it.
What would you say was the reason for your loss the last time you hosted pakistan in the "aane do" series? seeing as your a far superior team i am just curious to know why or how you lost that series.
We are terrified of playing teams that can't avoid being whitewashed by Lanka
Not just a second division county team, but the B team of a second division county team.
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I would never claim to know the real reason why we don't play Pakistan brother. Just pointing out that being 'afraid' of Pakistan is the least likely reason for it. Aane do series was five years ago. Im talking about the current state of the two teams. You conveniently forget that we bear you in two world T20 matches , twice at the CT and once in the World Cup. It's not like Pakistan have been beating us left, right and centre the few times we have met.
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The BCCI doesn't want PCB to earn money off of it. As simple as that. And the Govt. of India doesn't want the Indian team to play Pakistan unless absolutely necessary where it would be detrimental for the Indian team to not play Pakistan i.e ICC tournaments. India doesn't lose anything by not playing Pakistan in bilateral series, does it? But it sure does lose by not playing matches against Pakistan in ICC tournaments. A very simple logic.
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That was 5 years ago. India were in a transitional phase back then. You beat us fair and square in that series. We're talking about the present. Yes, you won the CT final and blasted us in the finals. But upsets do happen. Pakistan were knocked out of the 2007 WC by Ireland. That made Ireland a superior team than Pakistan during that time? India defeated Pakistan in the 92', 96', and 99' WC matches. That made India a superior team to Pakistan in the 90's?
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So are you suggesting that your previous wins over Pakistan in tournaments makes you a better team?
I think your forgetting the current state of the two teams brother, you are the No1 test team, we are the No1 T20 team, and you are ranked a few places higher than us in the ODI's, and we are the most recent champions of an ICC event, and all this whilst the Pakistan team are in a transitional phase. So the gap is not as big as you think, yes you may have a more settled and established outset, but we have the raw skill and talent as you know oh so well.
It would be interesting to know who has one more matches against each other in all formats including ICC events and any series between the two over the last decade.
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No. We are a better team because Pakistan's overall W/L ratio over the last decade in ODIs has been absolutely garbage. Only better than Windies,Zimbabwe,BD . But this thread is not about this the better team but India with a much better W/L ratio and having won a world cup, a champions trophy and being no.1 in tests for quite some time in this period are certainly not afraid of this Pakistan as is being claimed.
So basically from what you have said the BCCI and Indian govt seem to have a personal vendetta against Pakistan, the PCB and Pakistan cricket and would rather avoid making money themselves so PCB cannot make money also, hmmmm very interesting says a lot about the Indian mentality.
Of course India looses just as Pakistan looses by not playing each other, it is the biggest pay day out there for both BCCI and PCB. International sport is played to enhance countries reputations and international recognition, so baring that logic in mind it just seems to me that the BCCI and Indian govt are not willing to step into the arena with Pakistan because they find it too much of a risk and would rather not loose to the old arch rival/enemy more than they possibly need to which would be a bilateral series, hats off to them as this has paid of thus far as they have had the upper hand in ICC events.
Talking about transitional phases, we are in a transitional phase now and have lifted the curse of loosing in ICC events against you guys, so i do not think that matters when the two teams lock horns, and if my memory serves me right your batting line up was almost the same with inclusion of sehwag which could only make it stronger, the likes of shrama, kholi, dahwan, dhoni, yuvi were all in that side so how much of a transitional phase it really was is also questionable. What you see with the Pakistan team now as compared to then is what is knows as a transitional phase, which would only make your chances stronger.
We have also been the No1 test team in that time, and have also won the champions trophy in that time, and also was the first asian team to beat SA (full strength SA) away in a bilateral ODI series so if you want to start mentioning achievements i can write long essays about the difficult times Pakistan cricket has faced and still achieved, point being mentioning achievements is nor here or there, its about getting on the field and playing which Pakistan as ever is happy to do.
However as i mentioned to you Indian counterpart (HITMAN), countries compete internationally in sports for superiority, recognition, reputation and national pride; even tho everything is in INDIA's favour financially, rankings ect they do not seem to want to lock horns with PAKISTAN, and the only logical and rational explanation for this is that they do not want to be up staged on the international scene, so wherever they can avoid PAKISTAN (non ICC events) they will happily do so, you just have to look at the win loss ratio between the two team across all formats to see this.
Whatever makes you sleep but the bottom line remains bcci and GOI doesn’t want pcb making any money because of BCCI
You seem confused to the whole matter, how would PCB make money because of BCCI if the two team played? PCB would make money because they are the cricket board of the Pakistani team participating in a bilateral series, not due to the BCCI.
Like this one would say BCCI would be making money off PCB if the two teams played, irrational, flawed though process you have there fella.
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I don't think it's flawed, Indians made quite clear for a while now that sport is a political weapon when it comes to Pakistan. Hurting Pakistan financially is more important than the sport itself so the driving motivator here isn't friendship or cricket, it is merely spite. The Indian replies in this thread say as much. Obviously when that is the motivator, losing to Pakistan would be equally hard to take so that is another factor, but it is a subsidiary of the first.
Why do you think an Indian tour is most coveted by all cricket boards?
Flawed in the sense both boards would make money from each other teams participating, not just one way.
Yes i agree with you with regards to the spitefulness, i can sense it in there writing and response's, oh well what can you do, not everyone can be enlightened.
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Top post, this all should agree with irrespective of the glasses we are wearing but unfortunately Indian fans are just that i.e. Indian fans!
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That is exactly the point my friend, especially after a 180 reasons given a few months back!
Don't get it twisted in your mind all boards are self sufficient without India, and Indian tour is welcome because India of recent has raised there game and become more competitive, also India is one of the most followed teams so its a good earner, but no one is reliant on India by any stretch of the imagination.
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shhhhh, how dare you speak some common sense, most boards are welcoming India because they don't have to make extra arrangements to make the matches competitive as opposed to in past when 'Flattest of the Pitches' had to suddenly be sprung up to ensure tests go the distance. Whenever a board would go against that, e.g. NZ a few years back, Indians would bash them to death till they succumb in the following visits by India!
many folks here clearly mentioned your logic has flaws, you did not have any answer for them. If one off win means Pak is superior to India in ODI, Do you agree that India were a better team in 90s as they won all key games in that decade? when Ireland beat Pak in 2007 WC, Ireland were a superior team?
even if I go by your logic that Pakistan is better than India in ODI. How about Test and T20s? If India had to play series with Pak, it would have Test, ODI and T20. As many here including you consider Test is the superior format, why would best test team India fear about average test team which has just lost two of their experienced batsmen?
As you are not going with ranking in ODI, then accept the fact that India is better than Pak in T20 as they beat Pak last few times and importantly in World cup.
overall when India is better than Pakistan in two of the 3 formats, why would they get scared of playing a team which is only better than them in one format ?
Why is 60% of the revenue from tv rights for pcb based on indian series??
is that a figure you have just made up lol
You really need to start reading the news.
Ignorance I say really bliss but then again:
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/trib...pcb-sells-broadcasting-rights-for-150m/?amp=1
Another conspiracy theory. Lol.
Why did Australia prepare flat pitches when Pak visited recently? Australia is preparing flatter pitches only for Indian series? How about England preparing flatter pitches when pak toured last time.? Year later India visited, same pitches had more grass..
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Personally I do believe India is the better team in all formats with the possible exception of T20, but Pakistan is a very dangerous team for anyone when they click, so the prospects of losing to them are very real. When you look at the underlying political reasons for lack of cricket between the two sides, that does make fear of losing a bigger issue for the side expected to win. So OP has some merit to his argument - doesn't mean Pakistan is better, just India doesn't want to risk losing considering the loss of face, and financial gains to be made by Pakistan which seems to be a massive issue for Indians.
How much can we trust "the source"
LOL its a Pakistani new paper and their are many other new sources. Just try to read rather than get your mind twisted.
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HAHAHA, good one well done, however this is a side issue, we all know the real reason why India does not play pakistan.
is it the same reason why PCB does not want to host Bangladesh in UAE.
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Sorry, I am not that good mind reader, what is the reason PCB doesn't want to host Bangladesh in UAE, and how does that relate to India/Pakistan tours?
I think, behind all this facade and trickery, lies the main issue: BCCI does not want to take the chance to be humiliated by Pak team just like it happened in Champions Trophy Final!
This is reason Op gave for India not playing Pakistan.
so I said is losing to Bangladesh in so called fortress in UAE just like they lost to SL recently might be the reason why PCB is not inviting to UAE???
When PCB/fans can question motives of other boards and countries. Those other boards can turn around and question PCB too.
My friend the signs are very clear you are getting desperate and now trying to hide behind self made conspiracy theory. There is no where to hide, this thread has clearly logically and rationally and systematically broken down to you the reason why BCCI and Indian govt do not want this series to take place.
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But Pakistan is quite willing to play BD on their own turf and in BD as far as I am aware, if they would prefer BD to come to Pakistan that is hardly indicative that they are frightened of losing. Problem with India refusing to play Pakistan except when they are forced to, is that you can't really dismiss the idea that they may well be frightened of losing. When you refuse to meet an opponent on the field of battle, then it becomes difficult to dismiss the accusation of fear.
But India has been against playing Pakistan way before the CT ... but since you are not really here for a serious discussion feel free to dance around it and indulge in some more trolling
Anyone of the usual Pakistani suspects want to answer this awkward question that involves reality?
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We aren't talking about before, we are talking about NOW. As I said, while I rate India as a better team, that doesn't mean they don't fear losing. The only way you can really show you don't fear your opponent is to face him on the battlefield. If you refuse to stand up and be counted, it becomes very difficult to rebuff the accusation of fear even if you don't think it's true.
India's stance has been the same before and after CT17. So they were afraid before too ?
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Yes. Past, present or future, the principle remains the same. Refuse to take to the battlefield and the accusation of fear of losing will always have some legitimacy.
So then what has CT17 got to do with supposed "fear" ? Because IIRC India had inflicted many a thrashing in big matches in the few yrs preceding CT2017.
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Winning or losing in itself isn't the problem, it is the fear of losing which is the issue in question. Despite previous defeats, Pakistan team has always risen to the challenge, even travelling to India under threat to take on their opponents. The team that fails to take to the field is the only one which can be accused of being scared to lose. You know deep down that there is only one way to answer those accusations and that is by saying.....Aaney do.
So we were "afraid" even before the CT17 while we were inflicting one big phainta after another in big matches including the first match in CT17? And that's why India refuses to play Pakistan in bilateral series?
Also any idea when this fear started?
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Already answered in the above post. The only way to prove your not scared of losing is to accept the challenge, not hide from it. Pakistan players will always be ready to do battle on any stage in any country. Can Inida say the same? No. Point proven.
So we were "afraid" of the great Pakistani team ranked 7 even when we were beating the living daylights out of them in big matches almost every year ... makes sense
.... NOT
Is this the kind of logic that is taught in your schools?
I guess England is also afraid of Zimbabwe then ?
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You can talk about phaintys and beatings all you want, bottom line still remains the same. That was then, this is now. Step up and face Pakistan on the battlefield or accept that there will be legitimate accusations of fear of losing.
You mean Just like how Eng is "fearful" of losing to Zimbabwe?
Can you ask him why their team is fearful of losing to Bangladesh In UAE?
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No answers to why Eng is "afraid" of Zimbabwe ?
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^^^Like India should be scared of playing Kenya after being the only team to have lost two ODI's to them, that's right 2!
Likewise India is quite willing to Play Pakistan if they stop killing our people and work towards a pleasant relationship .... I wonder why its so hard for Pakistan to NOT stop killing ? Perhaps they are afraid of much more humiliation in Cricket if relations normalized given the horrible state of Pakistan Cricket ?
Any chance of answering why England is afraid of Zimbabwe ?
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Seems like you are ridiculing your own logic while creating this thread.
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