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Russia stands tall with India on abrogation of Article 370: J&K status change within framework of Indian Constitution

Russia on Saturday extended its support to India on the abrogation of Article 370 from Jammu and Kashmir, and said that the change in status and division into Union Territories was carried out within framework of the Constitution of India.
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Russia on Saturday extended its support to India on the abrogation of Article 370 from Jammu and Kashmir, and said that the change in status and division into Union Territories was carried out within framework of the Constitution of India.

President Ram Nath Kovind on Friday gave assent to a legislation for bifurcation of Jammu and Kashmir, and two Union Territories -- Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh -- will come into existence on October 31.

The Parliament had earlier this week given its nod to the legislation for bifurcating the state, a bold and far-reaching decision that seeks to redraw the map and future of a region at the centre of a protracted militancy movement.

Russian Foreign Ministry, in a statement issued today, said it expects that India and Pakistan will not allow aggravation of the situation in the region due to the change by Delhi in the status of the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

"We proceed from fact that the changes associated with the change in the status of the state of J&K and its division into two union territories are carried out within framework of the Constitution of the Republic of India," it added.

Russia is a consistent supporter of normalization of relations between India and Pakistan, it said, hoping that the differences will be resolved by political and diplomatic means on a bilateral basis.
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But but but but he took photograph with IK and talked with him at the SCO summit. And according to pak posters here he gave more importance to IK than Modi.

Whay will happen to the Eurasian alliance of China Russia Pakistan Iran and Turkey now?

Or may be Russia is a small unimportant country, and IK will call up and scold Vladimir Putin.
 
My dear Pakistanis,

Please for your own well being let go of this Kashmir obsession, no one in the world backs you (well no one meaningful). Side effects of burying your head in the sand since independence can now be seen, when you look a financially broke Pakistan.. Time to move on, Indian Kashmir will always be with India, stop wasting your lives away, there is not going to be a divine intervention, nothing is going to change.... It is time, Pakistan cut its loses and starts concentrating on its economy, if Pakistanis work to their potential, I feel they would surge ahead of India. Its just advise, if you feel burying your head in the sand is the best way forward by all means do so..
 
China on Friday said it would continue to support its longtime ally Pakistan “in safeguarding its legitimate rights and interests and uphold justice for Pakistan on the international arena”.

This came during a meeting between Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi, who paid an urgent visit to China to discuss the situation arising out of India’s controversial move to scrap the special status of disputed Jammu and Kashmir region through a rushed presidential decree, said a statement from Chinese Foreign Ministry.

Qureshi briefed the Chinese side on Pakistan’s observations, position and measures in response to the latest development of the situation in Kashmir, the statement said.

Qureshi said he believed that “China would stand up for justice on the Kashmir issue. Pakistan will continue to resolutely support China’s just position on issues concerning China’s core interests”.

The Pakistani side will continue to advance Pakistan-China all-weather strategic cooperative partnership, the statement added.

Wang Yi noted that China is “seriously concerned” about the latest escalation of tensions in Kashmir.

“The Kashmir issue is a dispute left from the colonial history. It should be properly and peacefully resolved based on the UN Charter, relevant UN Security Council resolutions and bilateral agreement. China believes that unilateral actions that will complicate the situation should not be taken,” he maintained.

Wang noted that “Pakistan and India are both China’s friendly neighbors and major developing countries that are in a crucial stage of development”.

Beijing called on the two sides to proceed from their national development and peace in South Asia, properly resolve historical grievances, get rid of the zero-sum mindset, avoid unilateral action and seek a new path to peaceful coexistence, the statement concluded.

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Talking to reporters after the meeting, Foreign Minister Qureshi said Beijing supported Pakistan’s decision to approach the United Nations Security Council against India’s move.

“Our ministries and mission will remain in touch so that we can proceed on the issue with joint approach and strategy,” he said.
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/china-backs-pakistan-in-protecting-legitimate-rights-/1553823
 
Don't care about them. Russia has been mass murdering Chechens, Circassians, Ingush and Dagestani Muslims as well as Crimean Tatars for decades. Stalin was as bad as Modi.
 
Romali_rotti said:
My dear Pakistanis,

Please for your own well being let go of this Kashmir obsession, no one in the world backs you (well no one meaningful). Side effects of burying your head in the sand since independence can now be seen, when you look a financially broke Pakistan.. Time to move on, Indian Kashmir will always be with India, stop wasting your lives away, there is not going to be a divine intervention, nothing is going to change.... It is time, Pakistan cut its loses and starts concentrating on its economy, if Pakistanis work to their potential, I feel they would surge ahead of India. Its just advise, if you feel burying your head in the sand is the best way forward by all means do so..
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You should have told same to Gandhi and other freedom fighters.
 
China's annual trade with India is 60 billion dollors. Anyone thinking it would do anymore than lip service is deluded.
 
Romali_rotti said:
My dear Pakistanis,

Please for your own well being let go of this Kashmir obsession, no one in the world backs you (well no one meaningful). Side effects of burying your head in the sand since independence can now be seen, when you look a financially broke Pakistan.. Time to move on, Indian Kashmir will always be with India, stop wasting your lives away, there is not going to be a divine intervention, nothing is going to change.... It is time, Pakistan cut its loses and starts concentrating on its economy, if Pakistanis work to their potential, I feel they would surge ahead of India. Its just advise, if you feel burying your head in the sand is the best way forward by all means do so..
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The New India - all about money. Sad.
 
Romali_rotti said:
My dear Pakistanis,

Please for your own well being let go of this Kashmir obsession, no one in the world backs you (well no one meaningful). Side effects of burying your head in the sand since independence can now be seen, when you look a financially broke Pakistan.. Time to move on, Indian Kashmir will always be with India, stop wasting your lives away, there is not going to be a divine intervention, nothing is going to change.... It is time, Pakistan cut its loses and starts concentrating on its economy, if Pakistanis work to their potential, I feel they would surge ahead of India. Its just advise, if you feel burying your head in the sand is the best way forward by all means do so..
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China isnt meaningful?

Turkey would side with Pakistan, they aren't meaningful either?

Most importantly I am willing to bet after these moves India pulled, Pakistan will have more support from Kashmiris than before.
 
lurker20 said:
China's annual trade with India is 60 billion dollors. Anyone thinking it would do anymore than lip service is deluded.
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Not expecting them to fight a war for us.

They have backed us on the international stage numerous times, whether it was diplomatic support or using their veto (against indian interests despite your 60 billion dollar trades).
 
MenInG said:
The New India - all about money. Sad.
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Bro,

I am sorry to say, you have to look past emotions here, Pakistan is not going anywhere. Only way Pakistan will go places and reach its potential is to work on themselves. Kashmir is holding you guys back, I understand from an emotional stand point you wouldn't agree however logically you would a bare minimum consider it...
 
blackanhyellow said:
China isnt meaningful?

Turkey would side with Pakistan, they aren't meaningful either?

Most importantly I am willing to bet after these moves India pulled, Pakistan will have more support from Kashmiris than before.
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Pointing out the obvious ... the only thing Pak seems to be able to offer to Turkey etc. is that Pak is Islamic - anything else?
 
blackanhyellow said:
China isnt meaningful?

NO, because China would not do a damn thing rather than voice a few meaningless quotes in newspapers backing Pakistan. When it comes to reality, Pakistan gets nothing from China in regards to this issue.


Turkey would side with Pakistan, they aren't meaningful either?

Turkey would, however they cant do a damn thing. But Kudos to Turkey, they would be fully behind Pakistan on this sincerely unlike China.

Most importantly I am willing to bet after these moves India pulled, Pakistan will have more support from Kashmiris than before.

You already have the support of Kashmiri Muslims, what more support will you get ? Their support will mean nothing, I heard Kashmir was quite a peaceful place in the late 80's till terrorism started influencing the region from POK. The result now is 1000s of muslim Kashmiris dying because Pakistan wants to keep going with their tried and failed strategy of bleeding India with a 1000 cuts.
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Bold...
 
Romali_rotti said:
Bro,

I am sorry to say, you have to look past emotions here, Pakistan is not going anywhere. Only way Pakistan will go places and reach its potential is to work on themselves. Kashmir is holding you guys back, I understand from an emotional stand point you wouldn't agree however logically you would a bare minimum consider it...
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Emotions - if we dont have emotions, we are robots.

As for burying head in sand bit, I believe its some in India who are doing this and cannot see that Kashmiris do not see themselves as Indians.

Why not give them that chance? What is their to lose? Isn't Kashmir more of an emotional attachment for India now? Spending billions on security when they could be using it for poverty alleviation in rest of the country?
 
MenInG said:
Emotions - if we dont have emotions, we are robots.

As for burying head in sand bit, I believe its some in India who are doing this and cannot see that Kashmiris do not see themselves as Indians.

Why not give them that chance? What is their to lose? Isn't Kashmir more of an emotional attachment for India now? Spending billions on security when they could be using it for poverty alleviation in rest of the country?
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I hear what you are saying, the big elephant in the room is; if IOK is allowed to be separated from India, it would set a dangerous precedent for other states of India to follow.... I think you already know this, but anyway....
 
MenInG said:
Emotions - if we dont have emotions, we are robots.

As for burying head in sand bit, I believe its some in India who are doing this and cannot see that Kashmiris do not see themselves as Indians.

Why not give them that chance? What is their to lose? Isn't Kashmir more of an emotional attachment for India now? Spending billions on security when they could be using it for poverty alleviation in rest of the country?
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Its about the land, water and nationhood. Not hiding behind hypocrisy.
 
bala977 said:
Pointing out the obvious ... the only thing Pak seems to be able to offer to Turkey etc. is that Pak is Islamic - anything else?
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I was merely replying to that indian poster who says no one meaningful will back pakistan.

You realize that there is a possibility that Pakistan's economy problems are temporary right?

Many countries have economic down turns then come back up.

Indians since 1947 claimed Pakistan will fail within 5 years, then 10 years, then 20 years. Its still here though.

Inshallah we will have more to offer our historical allies in the future. For now, they still back us without getting much in return so we will remember that.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I hear what you are saying, the big elephant in the room is; if IOK is allowed to be separated from India, it would set a dangerous precedent for other states of India to follow.... I think you already know this, but anyway....
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Think this is where the new generation of Indians need to stand up and ask why that is such a problem.

Possibly same question for Pakistanis too.

Its like the old notion of no divorce as it looks bad etc - people would stay in abusive relationships for years.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Bold...
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You dont know the history between China and Pakistan clearly.

They may not be willing to fight wars for us, but have always supported Pakistan.

Case and point, how many times did they use their veto, or their voice in the international arena to support Pakistan over India, even thought the trade between China and India is 60 billion.

What is russia gonna do? Will they invade Pakistan on Indias behalf?

Should I start saying Russia aint gonna do diddly squat just because they wont fight a war against a nuclear armed country for you?
 
No surprises on the UAE comments, we have seen how they abuse human rights when it comes to their work forces. Maybe this will stop foreigns of Pakistani origin especially suck up to those vile arabs, am sorry but this is a valid generalisation.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I hear what you are saying, the big elephant in the room is; if IOK is allowed to be separated from India, it would set a dangerous precedent for other states of India to follow.... I think you already know this, but anyway....
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The big elephant you are talking about is a figment of imagination in the minds of some clueless Indians.
None of the Indian states want to secede from the Indian union, Kashmir or otherwise. Even the North Eastern states have come around.


The notion that India would break apart if Kashmir secedes is completely unfounded.
 
blackanhyellow said:
China isnt meaningful?

Turkey would side with Pakistan, they aren't meaningful either?

Most importantly I am willing to bet after these moves India pulled, Pakistan will have more support from Kashmiris than before.
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Neither China nor Turkey, nor anyone else (other than you-know-who) has openly condemned India. Have you not seen that?
What stops them? Even the UN merely expressed 'concern' over blocking internet access and human rights violations. What stops them from passing a resolution condemning India for what it has done in Kashmir?

The fact of the matter is that no one cares. They all want to look politically correct, so they either pass statements 'expressing concern' or in the case of China and Turkey, express 'support' for Pakistan without naming India anywhere.

If this does not prove India's diplomatic success in completely checkmating Pakistan internationally, I don't know what else does.

This is a complete reversal of the situation in the 1980s, when the whole of the western world was on Pakistan's side. India only had USSR and a few African countries backing it. Even back then Pakistan could achieve nothing. Fat chance it will do so now.

As for Kashmiris, what no one seems to realize is that there is a considerable segment of them that wants neither India nor Pakistan - complete independence in other words. These people may raise Pak flags to rile the Indians but get India out of there, and there will be a blood bath, this time between between the 'complete azadi' and the pro-Pak elements.
 
blackanhyellow said:
Not expecting them to fight a war for us.

They have backed us on the international stage numerous times, whether it was diplomatic support or using their veto (against indian interests despite your 60 billion dollar trades).
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Total trade is $85bn. $60bn is in chinese surplus.

They finally had to lift the veto.

China is at a trade war with US and Europe, thats why it doesnot want to start another one with the 5th largest market
 
blackanhyellow said:
You dont know the history between China and Pakistan clearly.

They may not be willing to fight wars for us, but have always supported Pakistan.

Case and point, how many times did they use their veto, or their voice in the international arena to support Pakistan over India, even thought the trade between China and India is 60 billion.

What is russia gonna do? Will they invade Pakistan on Indias behalf?

Should I start saying Russia aint gonna do diddly squat just because they wont fight a war against a nuclear armed country for you?
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Russia literally scared away the US 7th fleet during the 1971 war.

And Russia is far more likely to go to war as they are treaty bound to do so in favour of India.
 
blackanhyellow said:
China isnt meaningful?

Turkey would side with Pakistan, they aren't meaningful either?

Most importantly I am willing to bet after these moves India pulled, Pakistan will have more support from Kashmiris than before.
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Thing is, if Pakistan cannot do anything after India's action, it would be amply clear to the Kashmiris that pakistan cant do much.

That would bring them around to the Indian fold.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Russia literally scared away the US 7th fleet during the 1971 war.

And Russia is far more likely to go to war as they are treaty bound to do so in favour of India.
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Russia and U.S. were in a cold war at the time.

Doesn't surprise me that Russia intervened if U.S. was about to get involved.

They were engaged with each other in other parts of the world too, always playing chicken to see who flinches first. There were a few proxy wars too.

Also, Pakistan did not have nukes at that time, Russia would be less willing to get involved now especially if U.S. their main global adversary is not involved.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Thing is, if Pakistan cannot do anything after India's action, it would be amply clear to the Kashmiris that pakistan cant do much.

That would bring them around to the Indian fold.
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Neither Pakistan nor India has been able to take each other's Kashmirs for 70 odd years.

Kashmiris are still at it. If you think they will just give up now, then that is your opinion. Time will tell.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Total trade is $85bn. $60bn is in chinese surplus.

They finally had to lift the veto.

China is at a trade war with US and Europe, thats why it doesnot want to start another one with the 5th largest market
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If there is another issue, China will veto it again.

If you doubt it, lets come back here when it happens.
 
gani999 said:
Neither China nor Turkey, nor anyone else (other than you-know-who) has openly condemned India. Have you not seen that?
What stops them? Even the UN merely expressed 'concern' over blocking internet access and human rights violations. What stops them from passing a resolution condemning India for what it has done in Kashmir?

The fact of the matter is that no one cares. They all want to look politically correct, so they either pass statements 'expressing concern' or in the case of China and Turkey, express 'support' for Pakistan without naming India anywhere.

If this does not prove India's diplomatic success in completely checkmating Pakistan internationally, I don't know what else does.

This is a complete reversal of the situation in the 1980s, when the whole of the western world was on Pakistan's side. India only had USSR and a few African countries backing it. Even back then Pakistan could achieve nothing. Fat chance it will do so now.

As for Kashmiris, what no one seems to realize is that there is a considerable segment of them that wants neither India nor Pakistan - complete independence in other words. These people may raise Pak flags to rile the Indians but get India out of there, and there will be a blood bath, this time between between the 'complete azadi' and the pro-Pak elements.
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I am well aware of Kashmiri's want for independence.

They should get that right if they want it.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I hear what you are saying, the big elephant in the room is; if IOK is allowed to be separated from India, it would set a dangerous precedent for other states of India to follow.... I think you already know this, but anyway....
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Which states are those? Next year Khalistan will be making noise its all Modi hindu supremacist parties fault. Treat everyone equal it maybe different.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
Which states are those? Next year Khalistan will be making noise its all Modi hindu supremacist parties fault. Treat everyone equal it maybe different.
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Yeah khalistan will be making noise in Birmingham, Luton , Bradford and Canada with the ISI backing. But the place that actually matters will not give a hoot to this noise and their people will continue serving the Indian army with immense pride and "jazba" as you guys call it.
 
Candyman said:
Yeah khalistan will be making noise in Birmingham, Luton , Bradford and Canada with the ISI backing. But the place that actually matters will not give a hoot to this noise and their people will continue serving the Indian army with immense pride and "jazba" as you guys call it.
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Hindus allowed to have hindustan why aren't sikh allowed sikhstan. They deserve it.. It no longer safe in Modi india..
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
Hindus allowed to have hindustan why aren't sikh allowed sikhstan. They deserve it.. It no longer safe in Modi india..
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What are you ? Seven ?

What else do you want ? Buddhistan , jainistan, christistan ?

Let me say it again , Sikhs enjoy great respect and love from every part of India because of their bravery and kindness. No Sikh wants a seperate country for themselves. In fact they are the most hardline nationalists as evident by their contributions for indian armed forces. You may be deluded into thinking that all Sikhs hate India by the actions of a few paid actors in the western countries but I'm afraid the reality is disappointing for you.
 
Candyman said:
What are you ? Seven ?

What else do you want ? Buddhistan , jainistan, christistan ?

Let me say it again , Sikhs enjoy great respect and love from every part of India because of their bravery and kindness. No Sikh wants a seperate country for themselves. In fact they are the most hardline nationalists as evident by their contributions for indian armed forces. You may be deluded into thinking that all Sikhs hate India by the actions of a few paid actors in the western countries but I'm afraid the reality is disappointing for you.
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Just because you have a few representatives from one society does not mean entire community is being treated fairly.

Khalistan is suffering from oil theft and they don;t seem to be too happy with India.
 
Lego20 said:
https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india-russia-supports-india-on-abrogation-of-article-370-says-jammu-and-kashmir-status-change-within-indian-constitution-541501

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Generally Pakistani posters here do not have an understanding of India-Russia relationship, which extends beyond the political to the emotional. Only under the spineless Yeltsin was the relationship threatened. The only other relationship between major powers that rivals India and Russia in closeness is between the US and UK.

India supported Russia on the Crimea annexation, the only major power to do so.
India supported Russia's defense industry by buying the SS400 system, rebuffing US threats. This is despite the fact that basically the Indian trade surplus of $25 billion per year with the US is an important pillar of India's recent economic growth and modernization.
Russia supported India on Article 370, the only major power to openly do so.

One thing you can rely on when it comes to India and Russia is that they will help each other on the most important issues when help is needed.

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Majestic_Inzi said:
Hindus allowed to have hindustan why aren't sikh allowed sikhstan. They deserve it.. It no longer safe in Modi india..
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What???

1. This is no Hindustan. It is India or Bharat.

2. Sikhs not safe under Modi because Congress lost the elections? The only mass killings of Sikhs by Hindus in Indian history was carried out Congress in 1984.
 
Napa said:
What???

1. This is no Hindustan. It is India or Bharat.



2. Sikhs not safe under Modi because Congress lost the elections? The only mass killings of Sikhs by Hindus in Indian history was carried out Congress in 1984.
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1. Ruling party with majority of votes in India disagrees with you and believes India is a "Hindu" nation and they mean it in a very certain way.

2. In Punjab majority 8/13 seats in Lok Sabha are held by Congress. If it was specific policies of Congress that related to minority marginalization voters did not detect it?

I know they are not separatist but in no way can your comparison be a good barometer to measure if they are safer under BJP to early to tell and Modi is a shrewd politician that needs the army support right now many of whom are Sikhs. RSS BJP previous stance had hinted in removing Sikhism as a seperate religion status.
 
Civil said:
1. Ruling party with majority of votes in India disagrees with you and believes India is a "Hindu" nation and they mean it in a very certain way.

2. In Punjab majority 8/13 seats in Lok Sabha are held by Congress. If it was specific policies of Congress that related to minority marginalization voters did not detect it?

I know they are not separatist but in no way can your comparison be a good barometer to measure if they are safer under BJP to early to tell and Modi is a shrewd politician that needs the army support right now many of whom are Sikhs. RSS BJP previous stance had hinted in removing Sikhism as a seperate religion status.
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Don't go by what some OMvir or some Chanchal Kumar says. Read the constitution of India. It doesn't say India is a hindu country. So rest easy.

Sikhs are a dominant force in the army. They have an amazing history in conflicts especially against Pakistan. Sikhs, Parsis and many such minorities are fine and dandy in India.
 
Doesn't really matter if countries back India or not with verbal statements. As long as they continue sitting on their hands like they have been for the past 3 decades, I'm sure India can live with that.
 
Civil said:
1. Ruling party with majority of votes in India disagrees with you and believes India is a "Hindu" nation and they mean it in a very certain way.

2. In Punjab majority 8/13 seats in Lok Sabha are held by Congress. If it was specific policies of Congress that related to minority marginalization voters did not detect it?

I know they are not separatist but in no way can your comparison be a good barometer to measure if they are safer under BJP to early to tell and Modi is a shrewd politician that needs the army support right now many of whom are Sikhs. RSS BJP previous stance had hinted in removing Sikhism as a seperate religion status.
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rhony said:
Don't go by what some OMvir or some Chanchal Kumar says. Read the constitution of India. It doesn't say India is a hindu country. So rest easy.

Sikhs are a dominant force in the army. They have an amazing history in conflicts especially against Pakistan. Sikhs, Parsis and many such minorities are fine and dandy in India.
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The people who haven't actually lived in northern India (like I have) do not understand that there is no daylight between Hindus and Sikhs in India. They are the same people and they think they are the same people, some attention seeking expats in UK and Canada notwithstanding.
 
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Napa said:
What???

1. This is no Hindustan. It is India or Bharat.

2. Sikhs not safe under Modi because Congress lost the elections? The only mass killings of Sikhs by Hindus in Indian history was carried out Congress in 1984.
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So why is thr term hindustan freely mentioned in India?

Sikhs are the only religion not to have its own state.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
So why is thr term hindustan freely mentioned in India?

Sikhs are the only religion not to have its own state.
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There are other religions in India who don't have their own state. That aspect isn't unique to Sikhs only.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
Your joking aint you.

Modi in charge of india, RSS member who believes in hindu supremacy.

Cow slaughter laws are not secular, go and fool someone else.
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Muslims have their own personal laws in India, thats within thr secular framework.
 
Napa said:
Generally Pakistani posters here do not have an understanding of India-Russia relationship, which extends beyond the political to the emotional. Only under the spineless Yeltsin was the relationship threatened. The only other relationship between major powers that rivals India and Russia in closeness is between the US and UK.

India supported Russia on the Crimea annexation, the only major power to do so.
India supported Russia's defense industry by buying the SS400 system, rebuffing US threats. This is despite the fact that basically the Indian trade surplus of $25 billion per year with the US is an important pillar of India's recent economic growth and modernization.
Russia supported India on Article 370, the only major power to openly do so.

One thing you can rely on when it comes to India and Russia is that they will help each other on the most important issues when help is needed.

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Russia, India relationship is sweeter than honey, deeper than the ocean :inzi2. What Pakistanis don't realise is Russians are only using Pakistan as a tool when they feel India gets too close to the US. It is all a balancing act, Pakistanis are a very frustrating lot in my eyes. Unlike a lot of other Indians, I actually want Pakistan to do well, I have a lot of respect for people like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], Miggy, SAJ, Oxy etc and there are millions of folks like them in Pakistan.. The frustrating thing for me is Pakistanis just cannot realise when they are being used as a rag towel only to be thrown out when their use has been finished. Pakistan needs to rise, rise economically, politically and get away from their religious mindset, I am sorry to say religion is whats holding Pakistan back and the minute they drop the religious importance they rise and no one will be able to use them whenever they feel like it and throw them out when the use is finished, Pakistan will dictate its destiny and have a voice that is respected and counted....
 
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Those trying to use UAEs later statements to pretend they are neutral and that the earlier ambassador comments were just twisted by Indian media have no idea of how the UAE works

No ambassador, minister, or even royal prince will dare to say any statement even 5% different from what the official line is, which is pretty much what MBZ feels and wants....

After the earlier pro Indian comments by the ambassador (which were made only because he was told to make them) got publicity, the foreign office gave out a statement which was more neutral
 
LongHorn said:
Those trying to use UAEs later statements to pretend they are neutral and that the earlier ambassador comments were just twisted by Indian media have no idea of how the UAE works

No ambassador, minister, or even royal prince will dare to say any statement even 5% different from what the official line is, which is pretty much what MBZ feels and wants....

After the earlier pro Indian comments by the ambassador (which were made only because he was told to make them) got publicity, the foreign office gave out a statement which was more neutral
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UAE never really liked us anyway. I'm pretty surprised to see that people expected the UAE to side with Pak just coz they're a Muslim nation.
 
Instigation22 said:
UAE never really liked us anyway. I'm pretty surprised to see that people expected the UAE to side with Pak just coz they're a Muslim nation.
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It's a shame we're in such a predicament where we are forced to rely on the likes of UAE. But insha'Allah the shoe will be on the other foot one day, and we will side with the Yemeni people in getting their pound of flesh.
 
Asim_khan said:
It's a shame we're in such a predicament where we are forced to rely on the likes of UAE. But insha'Allah the shoe will be on the other foot one day, and we will side with the Yemeni people in getting their pound of flesh.
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True but you need to be little more practical as Yemen is finished..Qatar imo can be a great Pak ally but then Saudi is investing so much in Pak, so again hard to take sides.. see the contrasting nature of geopolitics.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
Name another major religion then?
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Itachi said:
"Sikhs are the only religion not to have its own state"

Why you are asking about only major religion now? Changing goal posts already?
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There are 20 million Ahmediyyas and 25 million Sikhs. So the cut-off for a "major religion" must be something like 22.5 million. They forgot to teach me that in high school.
 
Itachi said:
It's from dawn. NOT acceptable.
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Are you kidding me? Dawn is one of the most trustworthy newspapers from South Asia founded by none other than the great Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Of all things, don't degrade yourself by doubting its credibility.
 
Ram Shekhar said:
Are you kidding me? Dawn is one of the most trustworthy newspapers from South Asia founded by none other than the great Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Of all things, don't degrade yourself by doubting its credibility.
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It's a matter of perception.

On basis of the same statement by the Gen secretary of UN, different outlets from India and Pakistan made their own version of conclusions.

They way you read the words, I may not see it the same way as same words could carry different meaning even if the context is same.

One other thing. Theres nothing absolute in this world. It's all about frame of reference.

To you dawn is the next truth spoken medium since the holy books. That's fine. For me, it isn't. What so degrading about that?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Engaging a "Indian" who cant even spell Gujrat. Thats how he spells it.
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It is "Gujarat". I obviously typed it by mistake. Are you trying to accuse me of being a non-Indian? Instead of getting personal, why not reply to this --

https://www.dawn.com/news/1499299/rouhani-expresses-concern-over-killing-of-innocent-people-in-occupied-jammu-and-kashmir

Isn't Iran India's friend? Modi is sabotaging all our relationships with his stupid decisions. Also, Congress and other secular parties are questioning government's motives. Are they also non-Indian?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Kashmiris were probably given special status as compensation for being prevented from joining Pakistan.
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there was no need to give special status to 'one particular state people only' at the first place. If that is the case , then why 'all the other states' citiznens ' were denied of that privilege. That means the dumb ***** who were in the rule that time committed a mistake.
Now that mistake got corrected.That's all.
 
satheesh said:
there was no need to give special status to 'one particular state people only' at the first place. If that is the case , then why 'all the other states' citiznens ' were denied of that privilege. That means the dumb ***** who were in the rule that time committed a mistake.
Now that mistake got corrected.That's all.
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Don’t the northeastern states have special status too?
 
Slog said:
Don’t the northeastern states have special status too?
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not sure .... any way 'the state to which I belongs to does not have and rightly so'. There is no such need of special privilege for any state.All should be equal in the eyes of the government.
 
satheesh said:
not sure .... any way 'the state to which I belongs to does not have and rightly so'. There is no such need of special privilege for any state.All should be equal in the eyes of the government.
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Well they do have special status. Atleast you should state facts when making random posts. Just discredits you and exposes your ignorance
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Kashmiris were probably given special status as compensation for being prevented from joining Pakistan.
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No. Kashmiris didn't want to join India or Pakistan. Precisely why Pakistan attacked Kashmir. Kashmiris then had no choice but to ask India for help. The special priveleges were part of the accession as India promised autonomy until the eventual plebisite. Pak was afraid that plebisite will ruin their chances as public support was to join India considering there were only two options - joining India or Pakistan. Azadi was not even an option presented then. Pak never took their army out and Kashmiris were stuck until recently when they have been integrated into India. Considering there is no chance for a plebisite ever, this is the best option for them.
 
Slog said:
Well they do have special status. Atleast you should state facts when making random posts. Just discredits you and exposes your ignorance
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may be they have... but the more important thing is that current Govt: has taken off ' special rights to Kashmir rule ' and every citizen of the nation has to accept it and move on.
 
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