Cricket Australia has shown willingness to host tri-series with India and Pakistan in future [Update on post#62]

[kingusama92]

I think the relations will improve in the coming years.

Indo-Pak politics are never as simple as they look and there are always hidden motives on both sides. The rest is just positioning for public consumption and political points.

Perhaps after the Indian elections?

The tri-series is nice but I would love to see a full series between the two countries like they used to in the past.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The tri-series is nice but I would love to see a full series between the two countries like they used to in the past.

First, let India agree to a tri-series even. That too on a neutral venue. Then we can dream of having a series between India and Pakistan. This is not going to happen anytime soon.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

India vs Pakistan bilateral cricket series in Australia could happen if Cricket Australia has its way​

Hockley expressed their interest in hosting an India vs Pakistan bilateral series in Australia. The marquee India vs Pakistan bilateral series has not been played since 2012-13. The two teams only meet at global ICC events.

“If we can play a role in helping and facilitating the India vs Pakistan bilateral series, we would be more than happy to do so,” Hockley told The Indian Express during a select media interaction.

In the recently-concluded 2024 T20 World Cup, the two nations played their group-stage match in New York, which India won by six runs. The Rohit Sharma-led Indian team eventually won the trophy, whereas Babar Azam’s Pakistan were knocked out from the group stage.

After the 2022 T20 World Cup, where 90,293 witnessed a last-ball India vs Pakistan thriller at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG), the Melbourne Cricket Club (operators of the MCG) and the Victorian government have expressed the desire to host the two teams in bilateral matches at the MCG.

“Given the schedules, we haven’t had formal discussions in that regard, but we have said it on the record that we will be happy to host the India vs Pakistan bilateral series,” said Hockley.

Future of ODI cricket
Although Australia are the defending champions of one-day cricket, CA chief Nick Hockley suggested that the 50-over bilateral series must have some contests to keep ODIs afloat in the near future.

“The ODI World Cup which India hosted last year was fantastic. I think the ten-team format, where every game counts is excellent,” he said.

“I think the challenge for world cricket is to ensure that all bilateral series must have a contest. Each series must have consequences, like the Test matches, which help you to progress in the World Test Championships (WTC) finals.

“We need something similar for the white ball format. Be it the rankings and other factors that relate to the qualifications for the World Cups.

“From an Australian perspective, we would continue to value all three formats and would also want that each bilateral series must have consequences in terms of qualifications for the World Cups,” he added.

Source: Indian Express

 

[JaDed]

haha money hungry CA seeing how much Melbourne helped them make in 2022.

 

[sweep_shot]

Australia-India-Pakistan had a tri-series in 1999. Aussies and Pakistan went to final.

I hope Australia will bring the tri-series back. It used to be a yearly thing.

 

[JaDed]

Australia-India-Pakistan had a tri-series in 1999. Aussies and Pakistan went to final.

I hope Australia will bring the tri-series back. It used to be a yearly thing.

India was at its second lowest then. Sachin had to be a temporary captain..
after that Dada became captain and things turned for us.
Even with that crappy team India gave so much competition to PCT

 

[oatmeal]

If India is willing to play Pakistan, the sides can play each other in a bilateral. Why involve Australia and play in far away time zone. For neutral venues, England is much better

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Sorry Aussies, no easy money for you

 

[sweep_shot]

India was at its second lowest then. Sachin had to be a temporary captain..
after that Dada became captain and things turned for us.
Even with that crappy team India gave so much competition to PCT

I believe last Australian tri-series was in 2012. India-SL-Aus.

That was the series where Kohli scored a great century against Malinga and co.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India was at its second lowest then. Sachin had to be a temporary captain..
after that Dada became captain and things turned for us.
Even with that crappy team India gave so much competition to PCT

Not England. Australia or SA are far better venues.

 

[sweep_shot]

Not England. Australia or SA are far better venues.

Why do you dislike England as a venue? Best venue for cricket.

 

[Sir Alex]

India vs Pakistan bilateral cricket series in Australia could happen if Cricket Australia has its way​

Hockley expressed their interest in hosting an India vs Pakistan bilateral series in Australia. The marquee India vs Pakistan bilateral series has not been played since 2012-13. The two teams only meet at global ICC events.

“If we can play a role in helping and facilitating the India vs Pakistan bilateral series, we would be more than happy to do so,” Hockley told The Indian Express during a select media interaction.

In the recently-concluded 2024 T20 World Cup, the two nations played their group-stage match in New York, which India won by six runs. The Rohit Sharma-led Indian team eventually won the trophy, whereas Babar Azam’s Pakistan were knocked out from the group stage.

After the 2022 T20 World Cup, where 90,293 witnessed a last-ball India vs Pakistan thriller at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG), the Melbourne Cricket Club (operators of the MCG) and the Victorian government have expressed the desire to host the two teams in bilateral matches at the MCG.

“Given the schedules, we haven’t had formal discussions in that regard, but we have said it on the record that we will be happy to host the India vs Pakistan bilateral series,” said Hockley.

Future of ODI cricket
Although Australia are the defending champions of one-day cricket, CA chief Nick Hockley suggested that the 50-over bilateral series must have some contests to keep ODIs afloat in the near future.

“The ODI World Cup which India hosted last year was fantastic. I think the ten-team format, where every game counts is excellent,” he said.

“I think the challenge for world cricket is to ensure that all bilateral series must have a contest. Each series must have consequences, like the Test matches, which help you to progress in the World Test Championships (WTC) finals.

“We need something similar for the white ball format. Be it the rankings and other factors that relate to the qualifications for the World Cups.

“From an Australian perspective, we would continue to value all three formats and would also want that each bilateral series must have consequences in terms of qualifications for the World Cups,” he added.

Source: Indian Express

Not England. Australia or SA are far better venues.

Australian Board should aim at hosting Bangladesh and Afganistan first before they talk of these things

 

[JaDed]

Why do you dislike England as a venue? Best venue for cricket.

lol worst venue for cricket and the annoying rain.
CT 2013 comes to mind and so many others

 

[JaDed]

If India is willing to play Pakistan, the sides can play each other in a bilateral. Why involve Australia and play in far away time zone. For neutral venues, England is much better

rather play in BD or Lanka if it’s neutral venues.

 

[oatmeal]

rather play in BD or Lanka if it’s neutral venues.

The pitches are terrible in Lanka and BD though. Terrible for LOI cricket

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

While we BCCI agree to go and play Pakistan in Australia. If it was about location, we could play anywhere. Its just about India govt exercising its leverage over Pakistan.

 

[sweep_shot]

lol worst venue for cricket and the annoying rain.
CT 2013 comes to mind and so many others

1999 WC.
2019 WC.

Two great World Cups. 2017 CT was awesome too.

England is the best venue for me. There are good crowds also.

 

[zn426]

While we BCCI agree to go and play Pakistan in Australia. If it was about location, we could play anywhere. Its just about India govt exercising its leverage over Pakistan.

when can we expect India's nakhray over traveling to Pakistan for champions trophy? and will it come from Jay, Amit, or Narendra?

 

[oatmeal]

when can we expect India's nakhray over traveling to Pakistan for champions trophy? and will it come from Jay, Amit, or Narendra?

India 100% wont visit Pakistan for the champions trophy. I expect there will be a hybrid model for India's matches and then finals will be in a neutral venue.

Pakistan is in its rights to continue hosting and with India skipping the tournament but I think the broadcasters will put pressure on PCB to get them to agree to the hybrid model

 

[JaDed]

1999 WC.
2019 WC.

Two great World Cups. 2017 CT was awesome too.

England is the best venue for me. There are good crowds also.

Thats for u, I like SA and Aus, 2007 T20 is one of my fav.

2019 had rain for semis was annoying

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

when can we expect India's nakhray over traveling to Pakistan for champions trophy? and will it come from Jay, Amit, or Narendra?

it will be a month before the tournament, and BCCI will simply say that they dont have approval from the govt.
Simple. No one will be speaking. Its on Auto-pilot.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

India 100% wont visit Pakistan for the champions trophy. I expect there will be a hybrid model for India's matches and then finals will be in a neutral venue.

Pakistan is in its rights to continue hosting and with India skipping the tournament but I think the broadcasters will put pressure on PCB to get them to agree to the hybrid model

Hybrid model or entire tournament might be shifted to UAE, BCCI will quote the example of 2021 T20 World Cup which was supposedly hosted by India but was shifted due to COVID.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why do you dislike England as a venue? Best venue for cricket.

Not at all. Annoying weather conditions. Plus the media thinks they are there to teach everyone how to do things.

 

[zn426]

it will be a month before the tournament, and BCCI will simply say that they dont have approval from the govt.
Simple. No one will be speaking. Its on Auto-pilot.

BCCI will be paying damages then. That shows bad faith on their part. A precedent has already been established so they can't ignore it.

 

[oatmeal]

BCCI will be paying damages then. That shows bad faith on their part. A precedent has already been established so they can't ignore it.

ICC allows very broad leeway to boards when it comes to opting out due to government policy

In theory the broadcaster can sue BCCI for refusing to attend the event if the format isn't changed. But broadcasters don't like to pick fights with the boards either. So they will in turn pressure PCB.

This could all end in a stalemate and champions trophy postponed, but the hybrid model is the path of least resistance

 

[oatmeal]

Also if the format is ODI then champions trophy will be the last tournament of Rohit and Kohli. So broadcasters will be very very keen for India to play

 

[nish_mate]

1999 WC.
2019 WC.

Two great World Cups. 2017 CT was awesome too.

England is the best venue for me. There are good crowds also.

2013 was brilliant too, but then India won in a rain truncated match, rather Englsnd choked.

I was there for the finals at Edgbaston, also for India Pakistan league match, good memories, got pics with the whole Stan Army.

 

[sweep_shot]

2013 was brilliant too, but then India won in a rain truncated match, rather Englsnd choked.

I was there for the finals at Edgbaston, also for India Pakistan league match, good memories, got pics with the whole Stan Army.

Nice.

All ICC events hosted in England were box office (including the 2 WTC finals). Sporting pitches. Lively crowds. Nice vibes.

 

[oatmeal]

Nice.

All ICC events hosted in England were box office (including the 2 WTC finals). Sporting pitches. Lively crowds. Nice vibes.

Except rain which is an issue in the summer, England is a perfect venue for cricket. Great grounds, relaxed atmosphere but not half empty stadiums, the surrounding infrastructure is great too

 

[JaDed]

Not at all. Annoying weather conditions. Plus the media thinks they are there to teach everyone how to do things.

Guardian is the worst, every single time they take a subtle dig at India not realising no one cares about them anymore.

BBC is another who is so biased towards congress like it’s their channel.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Australia just wants to make money out of this crazy rivalry.

 

[offstump]

when can we expect India's nakhray over traveling to Pakistan for champions trophy? and will it come from Jay, Amit, or Narendra?

India is playing the I hate you but still want to engage with you on my terms card

 

[Devadwal]

If India and Pakistan start playing cricket then why would they Play in other countries instead choose Play at own countries.

Hopefully we will tour Pakistan for champion league thereafter relationship may improve.

 

[rpant_gabba]

India is playing the I hate you but still want to engage with you on my terms card

Think you got it backwards. India has been more than happy to pakistan go on its merry way, except Pak doesn't want to lose what it sees as easy money

 

[offstump]

Think you got it backwards. India has been more than happy to pakistan go on its merry way, except Pak doesn't want to lose what it sees as easy money

Yes, that’s why Star paid $3 billion for exclusive coverage rights for all India Pakistan T20 WC matches through to 2027.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Yes, that’s why Star paid $3 billion for exclusive coverage rights for all India Pakistan T20 WC matches through to 2027.

for T20 WC or India-Pak matches alone?

would be fun to see no India-Pak WC matches. Put an end to ICC.

 

[zn426]

ICC allows very broad leeway to boards when it comes to opting out due to government policy

In theory the broadcaster can sue BCCI for refusing to attend the event if the format isn't changed. But broadcasters don't like to pick fights with the boards either. So they will in turn pressure PCB.

This could all end in a stalemate and champions trophy postponed, but the hybrid model is the path of least resistance

they've had 3 years to object to this. They've had three years to ask for an alternative solution or a hybrid format. Per the claim that BCCI will cite "government denial" one month before the event, that will be almost four years. I'm sure enough money will be slipped into the right pockets, but after an agreement was made for the Asia Cup and 2023 WC Pakistan, and yes, the broadcasters, will have a case for damages.

One month out the schedules are set, security preparations have been made for touring sides, stadium selections have been done, and the tickets have been sold. At that stage, India's matches cannot be shifted to another venue. If they have a problem they had best come now, not later.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

BCCI will be paying damages then. That shows bad faith on their part. A precedent has already been established so they can't ignore it.

Bhai Bhai, here is an actual precedent that was established when last time PCB sued BCCI. You ended up paying India instead

https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/pcb-pays-compensation-to-bcci-119031800735_1.html

The Pakistan Cricket Board has paid the BCCI approximately $1.6 million as compensation after losing the case in the ICC's Dispute Resolution Committee, PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani claimed on Monday.
"We incurred costs of around $2.2 million on the compensation case which we lost," Mani said.

 

[Sir Alex]

lol worst venue for cricket and the annoying rain.
CT 2013 comes to mind and so many others

Yep. Also 2019 semifinals when India had to face totally different batting conditions when play got extended to 2nd day. Made it an unfair contest.

 

[rpant_gabba]

they've had 3 years to object to this. They've had three years to ask for an alternative solution or a hybrid format. Per the claim that BCCI will cite "government denial" one month before the event, that will be almost four years. I'm sure enough money will be slipped into the right pockets, but after an agreement was made for the Asia Cup and 2023 WC Pakistan, and yes, the broadcasters, will have a case for damages.


One month out the schedules are set, security preparations have been made for touring sides, stadium selections have been done, and the tickets have been sold. At that stage, India's matches cannot be shifted to another venue. If they have a problem they had best come now, not later.

Why not? Pak tried to screw up WC23. Time for India to pay back in kind.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Why not? Pak tried to screw up WC23. Time for India to pay back in kind.

WHat screw up are you talking about? Pakistan had to agree to a hybrid model because of India and they went to India for WC 2023. What screw-up are you saying that Pakistan tried??????

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

WHat screw up are you talking about? Pakistan had to agree to a hybrid model because of India and they went to India for WC 2023. What screw-up are you saying that Pakistan tried??????

BCCI owns the bat and ball in the gully cricket of international cricket and PCB tried to annoy the entitled kid called "BCCI". BCCI can very well walkaway and organize a parallel IPL style event during Champions Trophy to drown out the ICC event. Now enjoy

 

[uppercut]

Bhai Bhai, here is an actual precedent that was established when last time PCB sued BCCI. You ended up paying India instead

https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/pcb-pays-compensation-to-bcci-119031800735_1.html

The Pakistan Cricket Board has paid the BCCI approximately $1.6 million as compensation after losing the case in the ICC's Dispute Resolution Committee, PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani claimed on Monday.
"We incurred costs of around $2.2 million on the compensation case which we lost," Mani said.

That was One epic phainty by the badass bcci ... just as memorable as the ones we dish out regularly on the cricket pitch.

 

[zn426]

Bhai Bhai, here is an actual precedent that was established when last time PCB sued BCCI. You ended up paying India instead

https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/pcb-pays-compensation-to-bcci-119031800735_1.html

The Pakistan Cricket Board has paid the BCCI approximately $1.6 million as compensation after losing the case in the ICC's Dispute Resolution Committee, PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani claimed on Monday.
"We incurred costs of around $2.2 million on the compensation case which we lost," Mani said.

The two cases aren't even close to the same thing. One was an argument over an MOU.

This is an ICC tournament that was voted on by all ICC members and awarded to Pakistan to host.
The precedent comes from how previous tournament negotiations were handled, not bilateral tours only between Pakistan and India.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

That was One epic phainty by the badass bcci ... just as memorable as the ones we dish out regularly on the cricket pitch.

Its just 1-0. waiting for this to become a streak

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

The two cases aren't even close to the same thing. One was an argument over an MOU.

This is an ICC tournament that was voted on by all ICC members and awarded to Pakistan to host.
The precedent comes from how previous tournament negotiations were handled, not bilateral tours only between Pakistan and India.

Haan to Karlo case, used to hear similar arguments from PCB when they were chest thumping about BCCI has been dragged to courts. Laws are not Jazbaati.

 

[zn426]

Why not? Pak tried to screw up WC23. Time for India to pay back in kind.

I remember Jay shah initiating that particular exchange only to have to negotiate with Pakistan when Pakistan threatened to boycott over india's refusal to come for the Asia cup.

Maybe Pakistan should refuse to come to India in 2026 or demand home hosting rights for their matches in the 2026 t20 world cup if India starts this drama again.

 

[BouncerGuy]

BCCI owns the bat and ball in the gully cricket of international cricket and PCB tried to annoy the entitled kid called "BCCI". BCCI can very well walkaway and organize a parallel IPL style event during Champions Trophy to drown out the ICC event. Now enjoy

Why don't BCCI just announce that they will not come. what are you afraid off???

 

[rpant_gabba]

WHat screw up are you talking about? Pakistan had to agree to a hybrid model because of India and they went to India for WC 2023. What screw-up are you saying that Pakistan tried??????

They tried to hold off on the participation as long as possible and made a drama venue change demand. Screwed up the scheduling big time.

Time for BCCI to put a royal spanner in the works

 

[JaDed]

The two cases aren't even close to the same thing. One was an argument over an MOU.

This is an ICC tournament that was voted on by all ICC members and awarded to Pakistan to host.
The precedent comes from how previous tournament negotiations were handled, not bilateral tours only between Pakistan and India.

It happened in 2011 too, but this time PCB should just go ahead without India. Payment will be pointless

 

[rpant_gabba]

I remember Jay shah initiating that particular exchange only to have to negotiate with Pakistan when Pakistan threatened to boycott over india's refusal to come for the Asia cup.

Maybe Pakistan should refuse to come to India in 2026 or demand home hosting rights for their matches in the 2026 t20 world cup if India starts this drama again.

sure. BCCI was desparately negoatiating with PCB.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Why don't BCCI just announce that they will not come. what are you afraid off???

Have patience, what's the hurry ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Guardian is the worst, every single time they take a subtle dig at India not realising no one cares about them anymore.

BBC is another who is so biased towards congress like it’s their channel.

That's one of the best things to have happened. How western media has been made irrelevant in India.

English media's attitude is one of colonial hangover.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, that’s why Star paid $3 billion for exclusive coverage rights for all India Pakistan T20 WC matches through to 2027.

Star paid $3bn for the rights to broadcast all ICC events in India. Nothing to do with pakistan here.

Disney Star wins ICC media rights for Indian market for 2024-27

In June, the IPL media rights for the 2023-2027 cycle were sold for a whopping Rs 57.5 crore (per match) for TV and for Rs 50 crore (per match) for digital

indianexpress.com

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI will be paying damages then. That shows bad faith on their part. A precedent has already been established so they can't ignore it.

BCCI will not pay a dime as damages.

Ofcourse BCCI will not receive its share of ICC revenues for that particular event.

 

[cricketjoshila]

ICC allows very broad leeway to boards when it comes to opting out due to government policy

In theory the broadcaster can sue BCCI for refusing to attend the event if the format isn't changed. But broadcasters don't like to pick fights with the boards either. So they will in turn pressure PCB.

This could all end in a stalemate and champions trophy postponed, but the hybrid model is the path of least resistance

How can a broadcaster sue BCCI?

BCCI has signed no agreement with the ICC broadcaster.

 

[cricketjoshila]

for T20 WC or India-Pak matches alone?

would be fun to see no India-Pak WC matches. Put an end to ICC.

He lied there.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The two cases aren't even close to the same thing. One was an argument over an MOU.

This is an ICC tournament that was voted on by all ICC members and awarded to Pakistan to host.
The precedent comes from how previous tournament negotiations were handled, not bilateral tours only between Pakistan and India.

BCCI has every right to withdraw from any ICC event as does other boards.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I remember Jay shah initiating that particular exchange only to have to negotiate with Pakistan when Pakistan threatened to boycott over india's refusal to come for the Asia cup.

Maybe Pakistan should refuse to come to India in 2026 or demand home hosting rights for their matches in the 2026 t20 world cup if India starts this drama again.

India didn't play any matches in pakistan. Most asia Cup matches were played in SL.

Pakistan can refuse to come to India. Play their matches in SL which is the co host.

 

[Sir Alex]

BCCI will not pay a dime as damages.

Ofcourse BCCI will not receive its share of ICC revenues for that particular event.

And Broadcaster won't pay ICC either.

All these are useless discussions as none of this is going to happen. BCCI has full control over ICC and they will press other boards to toe their line.

 

[JattMaula]

Pakistan should go ahead with champions trophy without us.

Teach BCCI a lessons in khuddari!

 

[U$ofA]

Why don't BCCI just announce that they will not come. what are you afraid off???

BCCI can be accused of many things. Afraid is not one of them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And Broadcaster won't pay ICC either.

All these are useless discussions as none of this is going to happen. BCCI has full control over ICC and they will press other boards to toe their line.

BCCI will lose its ICC revenue share of that event. Thats all.

BCCI should organise a IPL all Indian edition to make up the loss.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan should go ahead with champions trophy without us.

Teach BCCI a lessons in khuddari!

Pakistan should host the event with or without India.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

India didn't play any matches in pakistan. Most asia Cup matches were played in SL.

Pakistan can refuse to come to India. Play their matches in SL which is the co host.

but India Pakistan have to be in same group and India is not travelling to SL for a tournament which India is hosting itself

 

[oatmeal]

How can a broadcaster sue BCCI?

BCCI has signed no agreement with the ICC broadcaster.

If the broadcaster signed agreements with ICC based on the understanding that India will be taking part (and BCCI was completely not a party to that agreement), then broadcaster can sue the ICC to recoup some of their money. ICC can then fine BCCI for not attending the event. BCCI will invoke force majeure citing government approvals not being given and then matter ends up in arbitration or court.

But all that is moot and wont happen because ICC wouldn't want to upset its relationship with the golden goose. There will be backroom deals to pressure PCB into accepting a hybrid model

 

[cricketjoshila]

If the broadcaster signed agreements with ICC based on the understanding that India will be taking part (and BCCI was completely not a party to that agreement), then broadcaster can sue the ICC to recoup some of their money. ICC can then fine BCCI for not attending the event. BCCI will invoke force majeure citing government approvals not being given and then matter ends up in arbitration or court.

But all that is moot and wont happen because ICC wouldn't want to upset its relationship with the golden goose. There will be backroom deals to pressure PCB into accepting a hybrid model

AFAIK if BCCI doesn't participate in any ICC event they will lose their share of ICC money for that event.

Remember ICC broadcaster also doesn't want to upset BCCI.

 

[uppercut]

Why don't BCCI just announce that they will not come. what are you afraid off???

Babar

 

[BouncerGuy]

Babar

Not even USA is afraid of Babar anymore let alone India and BCCI. But I got your sarcasm.

 

[uppercut]

Not even USA is afraid of Babar anymore let alone India and BCCI. But I got your sarcasm.

How about Afridi Mark-II ?

 

[BouncerGuy]

How about Afridi Mark-II ?

BCCI is afraid of losing to Pakistan in front of Pakistan I guess. This is an ICC event. They should come. otherwise, they should just announce that GOI is not allowing them to. Simple.. no rocket science here.

 

[uppercut]

BCCI is afraid of losing to Pakistan in front of Pakistan I guess. This is an ICC event. They should come. otherwise, they should just announce that GOI is not allowing them to. Simple.. no rocket science here.

So the Indian Cricket Team is afraid of Afridi Mark-II then ?