Cricket: England experimenting with live data system, says Jos Buttler

[waheed_sofi]

(Reuters) - England are trialing a system where coded information is passed from the team’s performance analyst to captain Eoin Morgan during their limited-overs matches against South Africa, vice-captain Jos Buttler said.

England analyst Nathan Leamon had placed a series of numbers and letters on clipboards on the team’s dressing room balcony to give Morgan suggestions for the on-field match-ups during South Africa’s innings in the third T20 win in Cape Town on Tuesday.

The tourists have cleared the use of coded messages with the match referee and anti-corruption officials.

“(Leamon) was calling out the EuroMillions numbers - the lads were checking their tickets!” Buttler joked after the match.

“Seriously, analysis has become such a huge part of the game,” he told Sky Sports.

The England and Wales Cricket Board described the system as a “live informational resource” that Morgan could choose to use or ignore on the field.

“Eoin is one of the best captains in the world, a fantastic, instinctive captain, and there’s a nice balance going on,” Buttler said.

“You have to be careful how you use the information best - there still has to be an instinctive, intuitive side to the game but if you can use analysis to better that then it is a force for good.”

Victory at Newlands completed a 3-0 series sweep for England and sent them to the top of the International Cricket Council’s T20 rankings

https://in.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idINKBN28C0O9?il=0

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Woolmer and Hansie did something similar in 1999 didn’t they? Albeit it wasn’t very discreet.

 

[Markhor]

Meanwhile in the Pakistan dressing room...

 

[Varun]

Typical England. Overthinking things until the players become like robots. It's what ended Flower's team - their only decent team in their history.

Just play.

 

[silentkiller187]

Typical England. Overthinking things until the players become like robots. It's what ended Flower's team - their only decent team in their history.

Just play.

Their current team are world champions , would you not call this current squad a decent team in Englands history?

 

[Varun]

Their current team are world champions , would you not call this current squad a decent team in Englands history?

Decent/Good ODI team for sure. Mediocre Test team.

 

[shariqnoor]

Don't know why but this reminded me of Javed Miandad's time as coach where he used to show batters from the dressing room balcony which shot to play. Lol. That was hilarious

 

[Rana]

Don't know why but this reminded me of Javed Miandad's time as coach where he used to show batters from the dressing room balcony which shot to play. Lol. That was hilarious

Practically live data system

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

Our legend javed once said computer wuter kya hota sara data dimagh mai hota ha ajkl k coach ko team ka pta ni

 

[silentkiller187]

Decent/Good ODI team for sure. Mediocre Test team.

This experiment took place in an odi, so i thought the discussion was about ODI's, this england team has the potential to go and rival the great Aussies juggernaut of the noughties with the squad their assembling, only team that looks to be getting remotely close at the moment., so i would put them a few notches above decent / good.

 

[tyron_woodley]

England are the best team for Pattas provided they bat first.

In 2023 it won't be Pattas so .....they are dead.

However I am really impressed by their batting ability in flat Pattas shootouts. Very hard to beat them on Pattas even for India and Australia.
Oh wait? Australia just spanked them. I guess they aren't that good after all? Still a top side on potatoe pancake flat Pattas specifically.

They can compete on other pitches but India and Australia are better in bouncy, slow pitches and Turner's.

Pakistan better than England on Turner's and slow tracks too I feel.

 

[tyron_woodley]

This experiment took place in an odi, so i thought the discussion was about ODI's, this england team has the potential to go and rival the great Aussies juggernaut of the noughties with the squad their assembling, only team that looks to be getting remotely close at the moment., so i would put them a few notches above decent / good.

They are not top3 in slow pitches.
Not top 4 in Turner's
Not top 3 in bouncy wickets.

Absolutely not. No where close to Aussies of noughties.

They are number 2 in Pattas.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Data is king.

 

[silentkiller187]

They are not top3 in slow pitches.
Not top 4 in Turner's
Not top 3 in bouncy wickets.

Absolutely not. No where close to Aussies of noughties.

They are number 2 in Pattas.

Just like every other team has their pros and cons in their favored conditions, they are world champions put some respek on their name.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Just like every other team has their pros and cons in their favored conditions, they are world champions put some respek on their name.

i absolutely respect them. Only on pattas though *. they are not top 3 in any other type of pitch. Thats the cold hard truth.

 

[silentkiller187]

i absolutely respect them. Only on pattas though *. they are not top 3 in any other type of pitch. Thats the cold hard truth.

The fact they are world champions is the cold hard truth, Whether they are top 3 or not is your opinion and it does not really matter in the grand scheme of things, i was just pulling up the other poster on his initial comments that they are mediocre which we all know is a load of rubbish.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The fact they are world champions is the cold hard truth, Whether they are top 3 or not is your opinion and it does not really matter in the grand scheme of things, i was just pulling up the other poster on his initial comments that they are mediocre which we all know is a load of rubbish.

on patttas. they also lost recently on pattas. real aukat will come out in 2023.

 

[silentkiller187]

on patttas. they also lost recently on pattas. real aukat will come out in 2023.

until 2023 their "aukat" is world champions

 

[tyron_woodley]

until 2023 their "aukat" is world champions

yea no denying that.

 

[Hasan123]

A lot of this data is used for match ups and for when a certain batsmen should bat if he is in the middle order. Some of this stuff is great but in the IPL you had AB and Morgan batting late in the innings because they wanted to be batting at a certain point in the innings.

I think data is great but you shouldn't solely rely on it. Common sense will tell you AB De Villiers should be facing as many balls as possible even if his stats are great after 10 overs.

No issue with stats , but don't over rely on them.

 

[MMHS]

I think, most data is used in US sports - every play in NFL are simulated these days and they actually use live data. I hope cricket doesn’t move into that direction.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

I think, most data is used in US sports - every play in NFL are simulated these days and they actually use live data. I hope cricket doesn’t move into that direction.

Can you elaborate on this please? I know nothing about US sports so I'm curious about how data used there. Also, why do you not want cricket to move in that direction? Just some questions as I don't know anything about US sports.

 

[MMHS]

Can you elaborate on this please? I know nothing about US sports so I'm curious about how data used there. Also, why do you not want cricket to move in that direction? Just some questions as I don't know anything about US sports.

Myself not aware completely, but I have seen NFL coaches using 3D simulators where all 30 (15+15) players data is put in their icon - apart from game, they update data like speed, body weight .... etc. Then the head coach with his specialist coaches (an NFL team has over 12 coaching staffs!!!) “design” a play on simulator, explain it to the players and every player is constantly connected through wireless device in their helmet. In nba as well they use simulation to design tactical plays and this is done on live data from the on going game.

 

[MenInG]

England captain Eoin Morgan said there was nothing untoward about a new system of signals from analysts in the dressing room used to send messages to him on the field during limited overs internationals.

“It is 100 percent within the spirit of the game,” he told a news conference on Thursday as England looked ahead to the start of their three-match One Day International series against South Africa at Newlands on Friday.

The system was used as England swept the three Twenty 20 internationals against South Africa with Englands analyst Nathan Lemon placing a series of large numbers or letters on clipboards, that were visible from the field, and were meant to help Morgan in his decision-making.

"There is nothing untoward about it. Its about maximising information we are taking in and measuring it against things, like the coachs recommendation or the data," Morgan said.

"There's always been constant communication, verbal or physical, from the change room to the field to help improve my decisions as captain, to try and correlate the feeling of the flow of the game and what we feel are the right decisions against the data that weve already researched coming into the game and, as the game progresses, how that might change."

Morgan said not many of the signals had changed his on-field decision making during the three T20s against South Africa. "There were three in the first game, two in the second and a couple in the third so its nice to know that the majority of the decision actually replicates what we feel is right. England will continue to use the system," he added.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...et-odi-series-sports-news/article33241023.ece

 

[MenInG]

England captain Eoin Morgan said there was nothing untoward about a new system of signals from analysts in the dressing room used to send messages to him on the field during limited overs internationals.

“It is 100 percent within the spirit of the game,” he told a news conference on Thursday as England looked ahead to the start of their three-match One Day International series against South Africa at Newlands on Friday.

The system was used as England swept the three Twenty 20 internationals against South Africa with Englands analyst Nathan Lemon placing a series of large numbers or letters on clipboards, that were visible from the field, and were meant to help Morgan in his decision-making.

"There is nothing untoward about it. Its about maximising information we are taking in and measuring it against things, like the coachs recommendation or the data," Morgan said.

"There's always been constant communication, verbal or physical, from the change room to the field to help improve my decisions as captain, to try and correlate the feeling of the flow of the game and what we feel are the right decisions against the data that weve already researched coming into the game and, as the game progresses, how that might change."

Morgan said not many of the signals had changed his on-field decision making during the three T20s against South Africa. "There were three in the first game, two in the second and a couple in the third so its nice to know that the majority of the decision actually replicates what we feel is right. England will continue to use the system," he added.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...et-odi-series-sports-news/article33241023.ece

 

[MenInG]

England captain Eoin Morgan is happy to carry on receiving coded messages from their dressing room balcony during the one-day series against South Africa, insisting that there is “nothing untoward” with using data as fuel for innovation.

Team analyst Nathan Leamon was spotted by television cameras showing letter and number combinations such as ‘2C’ and ‘4E’ on cards during the Twenty20 series between the sides, in a bid to provide Morgan with real-time information to feed into his decisions.

The innovation had been cleared with match referee Andy Pycroft but some have been critical of the backroom intervention.

Most notably Michael Vaughan, one of Morgan’s predecessors, labelled the move “nonsense” and said “the world has officially gone nuts !!!”

“I like Info but this is a step too far .. plus anything that’s been used already in a franchise system is out of the bag,” he said, referencing the increasing crossover between players and coaches in T20 leagues.

Morgan, though, is more than happy to further trial the idea in the first of three ODIs against the Proteas on Friday.

“There’s nothing untoward about it, 100 per cent it is in the spirit of the game,” he said.

“It’s about maximising information that we’re taking in and measuring it against things - coaches’ recommendations, the data, things going on.

“We’ll definitely continue with it and give it enough of a sample size to see if it improves our decision making on the field or improves our performance.”

Signs have become increasingly prominent in a number of sports, though Australian cricket has not followed in the footsteps of the AFL.

Any scepticism around their introduction to cricket can be split into two camps.

One case argues signs stand contrary to the spirit of the game, while another claims it undermines a captain’s role in leading the side in the heat of battle.

The first complaint has been partially answered by the match officials’ apparent indifference, while Morgan’s status as a World Cup-winning skipper with huge kudos means he is secure enough in his job not to worry about the latter.

“I think captains are different. You get captains that enjoy the title and the power and the accolades that go with it,” he said, bristling slightly as he positioned himself against the dissenting voices.

“Then you have other captains that continue to be pushed and want to learn for the benefit of the team.

“For me this is a system we want to use to try and help myself and the other leaders within the side almost take a little bit of the emotion and the feel of the decision-making on the field and compare it to the hard data that is continuing to feed information to us on the field.”

After going with the same XI for all three Twenty20 wins, Morgan will lead a different looking side at Newlands.

Ben Stokes, Jofra Archer, Sam Curran, Dawid Malan and Chris Jordan have all departed, meaning opportunities for others to raise their hands.

Joe Root will resume his role as the anchor of the batting order, while Moeen Ali, Mark Wood and Sam Billings are equally hopeful of making the cut after extended spells carrying the drinks.

https://7news.com.au/sport/cricket/code-cards-in-spirit-of-the-game-morgan-c-1703027

 

[MenInG]

Poll added

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Nathan Leamon is a genius. He’s the guy behind Multan Sultan’s dominance in the PSL this year with a team of leftovers and misfits.

 

[Caved12]

What is the problem here? They always send messages through a fielder at the boundary line anyways

 

[zain7077]

Sunil Gavaskar Against Use Of Placards To Guide Players During MatchesThe television coverage of the third T20I between England and South Africa showed England's white-ball analyst, Nathan Leamon, giving signals to the team.

Sunil Gavaskar Against Use Of Placards To Guide Players During MatchesThe television coverage of the third T20I between England and South Africa showed England's white-ball analyst, Nathan Leamon, giving signals to the team.

Sunil Gavaskar Against Use Of Placards To Guide Players During Matches
Former India skipper Sunil Gavaskar expressed objection over the use of placards during a match.© PTI

Sunil Gavaskar expressed objection over the use of placards during games. Eoin Morgan defended receiving signals from the dressing room in a matchFormer cricketer VVS Laxman also backed Sunil Gavaskar's viewpoint
Days after England skipper Eoin Morgan defended receiving signals from the dressing room during a T20I match against South Africa, former India skipper Sunil Gavaskar expressed objection over the use of placards during a match while pointing that "would there be a code there as well to help with the decision of taking the DRS?". The television coverage of the third T20I between England and South Africa showed England's white-ball analyst, Nathan Leamon, giving signals to the team. While Morgan had said it wasn't against the spirit of the game, Gavaskar firmly put forward his stance on the incident and said this should not be happening in cricket.

"I would like to know if the match referee had confirmed this with the ICC? Did they ask ICC? Has the cricket committee of the ICC sanctioned this, we don't know this yet. This is happening for the first time. We were told that this type of strategy was also used during Pakistan Super League and maybe this was the same person who adapted this technique who was an analyst there. But I don't believe this should be happening in cricket. The second thing that is worrisome is during the situation of a DRS, would there be a code there as well to help with the decision of taking the DRS?" Gavaskar asked while speaking on Star Sports show Cricket Connected.

Gavaskar also said that "Ideally, as a captain, I would not like this thing to happen. If I was the captain, I would say, look if you want to send a message about any field placing or a bowling change, then send the 12th man across with a bottle of water or anything....a way you can pass the message or the 12th man or the coach can pass the message to the boundary fielder."

Former cricketer VVS Laxman also echoed the sentiments and said a team does not require a captain if this forms a part of the rule.


"Often in T20 cricket if the captain needs to make a decision, he discusses it with the coach or the support staff or a senior player, and post that discussion a captain usually comes to a decision. But if this thing (use of placard) forms a part of the rule, then I believe it is not the right thing, as you want the captain to fulfill his role otherwise you don't require a captain, and the team can be run from outside similar to football where the manager runs the team," he said.

Former Australia batsman Matthew Hayden said: "The point about all of this is, how effective is it? I mean from what I understand is, some of these codes were getting mixed up, because there was a run-scoring spree during that potential time and that's the whole point of communications. You come together, you make sure you understand the plan and then you execute the plan, you can't just leave it as understanding it."

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/sun...cards-to-guide-players-during-matches-2336345

 

[MenInG]

Multan sultans trying their own system it seems

 

[MenInG]

Being used today vs Pakistan at Old Trafford

 

[Cricfan4eva]

What exactly is Morgan's role out there. If he has to be told what bowling changes needs to be done?

I mean how is this even a question? The analyst has access to live data and will definitely know more than a captain in the field would generally and can suggest him changes that can make an impact on the game.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Don't know why but this reminded me of Javed Miandad's time as coach where he used to show batters from the dressing room balcony which shot to play. Lol. That was hilarious

LMAO

I still remembe the Karachi ODI in 2004. He was practically teaching Razzaq where and how to hit it in the final over )