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Cricketers and Smoking

Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
Smoking is NOT an addiction; it's a habit.

There is a difference between the two.

Secondly, craving for certain types of food is also a habit - you get used to it and you crave for more.

People with sweet tooth are not addicted to chocolates and pastries etc. It becomes a habit for them.
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Drop out of med school bro its not for you.
 
Markhor said:
Nothing wrong with them smoking, its a lifestyle choice that they have chosen.

However if you are a sportsman, you don't want to be taking in substances that will adversely affect your respiratory system.
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Not just the respiratory system, the effects are systemic. The cigarette also has too many carcinogenics in it and it is nothing short of a slow poison. Why do you think the cigarette's carry a label on them "Smoking is injurious to health"!! Is that even a way to sell a product to some one with a bit of common sense?
 
You guys are not getting the point. I will just leave it here. I will value the judgment of my school much higher than a keyboard warrior regarding my suitability to this field.
 
lol if Mamoon is in med school with that understanding then there are gonna be a lot of fat smokers dying.
 
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Blindly following religious views is not a wise thing to do. Unfortunately, a lot of people follow religions without proof simply because they were born into a religion.

Blind unprovable and illogical belief is very dangerous. I know that my post is not going to be popular here but that cannot be helped. Sometimes you have to live with the cold hard reality.
 
James said:
lol if Mamoon is in med school with that understanding then there are gonna be a lot of fat smokers dying.
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I am not likely to take the words of a literature major seriously when it comes to this subject.
 
Perhaps I haven't been able to explain why the habit (addiction for your sake) of smoking is on a completely different level to drugs and other alcohol.
 
Invasion 550 said:
He prolly doesnt. Just thinks its cool to show that you smoke.
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Why will I attempt to act cool to a bunch of anonymous people who have zero relevance in my real life? There no upside for me acting cool here.
 
talha3 said:
Fairplay to you for sticking it out. Clearly not a troll but you sure do have controversial and at times unique opinions.
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Some arguments have a dead end. It is better just to let it go :)
 
Even coffee can be addictive, and can have withdrawal symptoms such as headaches.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
Perhaps I haven't been able to explain why the habit (addiction for your sake) of smoking is on a completely different level to drugs and other alcohol.
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No you haven't, because you an't got a clue mate. Nicotine is just as addictive as many other legal and illegal substances, if not more so. This has been proven. As for claiming there are no withdrawal symptoms - meet any smoker, ex-smoker, or try being a medium/long-term smoker yourself, and see what happens. Although your nonsense is actually getting anti-scientific now, so you surely can't be an actual serious poster...can you?
 
I don't understand how our people are fine with Pakistani cricketers smoking but make a huge fuss if they drink alcohol.

From what we know both are bad for your health and both are religiously discouraged.
Even if smoking is not haram, it's not like scholars encourage smoking.

Smoking is just as bad as drinking imo yet we make a big deal out of one and not the other. :13:
 
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James said:
No you haven't, because you an't got a clue mate. Nicotine is just as addictive as many other legal and illegal substances, if not more so. This has been proven. As for claiming there are no withdrawal symptoms - meet any smoker, ex-smoker, or try being a medium/long-term smoker yourself, and see what happens. Although your nonsense is actually getting anti-scientific now, so you surely can't be an actual serious poster...can you?
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The truth is the effects of nicotine are only a very small part of what causes you to be an avid smoker.

Scientifically, Nicotine by itself is only a mild central system stimulant similar to caffeine and has very mild addictive properties pretty much like caffeine.

You may have experienced yourself trying to quit smoking using the Nicotine Patches, Gums, Lozenges etc. Those products all have very low success rates.

Why? They don't satisfy the smokers appetite for the cigarette smoke they are meant to replace.

Nicotine in it's natural form also does not kill from smoking cigarettes, much like no one ever dies from drinking coffee.

It does not cause cancer, does not cause heart disease, does not cause lung disease. Experts say nicotine in it's natural form have only about the same health risks associated with it's use as coffee drinkers.

The nicotine metabolizes so fast that the only reason a smoker has another cigarette is because the nicotine from the last is nearly gone.

A five, ten, or twenty-year smoker is no more or less addicted than a forty -a-year smoker. It comes down to how much tobacco smoke one can tolerate, and the barely discernible effects of the nicotine.

Most every study you see that says nicotine is bad for you is a study on cigarette smoke. They do not separate the nicotine and the smoke.

Those studies are all flawed. It's the smoke that causes illness and death. Smoke itself is full of deadly carcinogens - it doesn't need nicotine to make you ill and eventually kill you.

nicotine is not addictive as physiological addictions are usually defined.

While it does have a physiological role in increasing cognitive abilities such as attention and memory, it’s not an addictive substance like heroin which creates true systemic and biologically based withdrawal symptoms in the body of the user.
 
Mamoon_Ghaffar said:
The truth is the effects of nicotine are only a very small part of what causes you to be an avid smoker.

Scientifically, Nicotine by itself is only a mild central system stimulant similar to caffeine and has very mild addictive properties pretty much like caffeine.

You may have experienced yourself trying to quit smoking using the Nicotine Patches, Gums, Lozenges etc. Those products all have very low success rates.

Why? They don't satisfy the smokers appetite for the cigarette smoke they are meant to replace.

Nicotine in it's natural form also does not kill from smoking cigarettes, much like no one ever dies from drinking coffee.

It does not cause cancer, does not cause heart disease, does not cause lung disease. Experts say nicotine in it's natural form have only about the same health risks associated with it's use as coffee drinkers.

The nicotine metabolizes so fast that the only reason a smoker has another cigarette is because the nicotine from the last is nearly gone.

A five, ten, or twenty-year smoker is no more or less addicted than a forty -a-year smoker. It comes down to how much tobacco smoke one can tolerate, and the barely discernible effects of the nicotine.

Most every study you see that says nicotine is bad for you is a study on cigarette smoke. They do not separate the nicotine and the smoke.

Those studies are all flawed. It's the smoke that causes illness and death. Smoke itself is full of deadly carcinogens - it doesn't need nicotine to make you ill and eventually kill you.

nicotine is not addictive as physiological addictions are usually defined.

While it does have a physiological role in increasing cognitive abilities such as attention and memory, it’s not an addictive substance like heroin which creates true systemic and biologically based withdrawal symptoms in the body of the user.
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Glad I dont want to be a med, an econ is much more relaxin career.
 
Perhaps a bit off topic but John Daly the golfer is the biggest chain smoking athlete I've ever seen but not exactly surprising because a lot of golfers hardly have athletic lifestyles.

Was watching a program today in which he mentioned how he used to smoke 50 cigarettes per day even during days of play.
 
IF smoking was a sport, Doug Walters would have been a dual international.

The dashing batsman who lit up cricket in the 1960s and '70s could have also durried for Australia.

The only time he didn't have a cigarette between thumb and forefinger was when he had a bat in his hands, carving up opposition attacks. Even then, he would light one up just before he left the dressing room and leave it burning in the ashtray just in case he got out early.
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ci...finally-declares/story-e6freuy9-1225825020295
 
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This is a thread about cricketers and smoking. Stick to that.
 
Should a player be allowed to smoke?

Smoking causes alot of damages to your lungs and this has a negative impact on your lungs aswell, many of our players smoke, whether its cigarettes, shesha or even drugs. No doubt that all this causes an effect on their fitness which doesn't allow them to run faster.


Some players who smoke are Umar Akmal(shesha) Bilalwal Bhatti(shesha) Abdur Rehman
 
Shane Warne did.

If they do the extra work to make up for it and ensure that their performance doesn't slip then why not?
 
It's as dumb as you can get but trying to stop athletes doing incredibly dumb things is a waste of time so smoke 'em if you got 'em.
 
sachjinn said:
Anyone recall this ad?


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:)) Guess the smokers got to him on that one occasion raised by style-guru above.
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What a waste, lol. :facepalm: What could have been achieved in two seconds took two minutes.

Mamoon said:
Smoking is NOT an addiction; it's a habit.

There is a difference between the two.

Secondly, craving for certain types of food is also a habit - you get used to it and you crave for more.

People with sweet tooth are not addicted to chocolates and pastries etc. It becomes a habit for them.
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It is definitely an addiction. You should educate yourself on nicotine. This is also a reason why it is makrooh e tehrima

http://www.lung.ca/protect-protegez/tobacco-tabagisme/facts-faits/addicted-dependant_e.php
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As long as they can stay fit, I don't see a big problem with it.
Root still looks like a 12 year old, though.
Then again, most 12 year olds do smoke here in England, haha.
 
Convict said:
Shane Warne did.

If they do the extra work to make up for it and ensure that their performance doesn't slip then why not?
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Because their medical bills are paid for with my tax dollars! :ahmed Atleast here in Canada.
 
endymion248 said:
Don't try to rationalize your choices, casual smoking is extremly bad.

To those saying it's their own choice, it is also Nasir Jamshed's choice to eat a lot off the field. Why is one acceptable and not the other?
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If he decides to eat a lot of burgers he won't kill others like smokers do with passive smoking.
 
On the habit/addiction thing. As a smoker, personally, I feel the habit is what keeps me smoking. Not the nicotine. I've substituted using gum and all those other quit smoking aids, but it doesn't work for me. Physically holding a cigarette between my fingers, inhaling and exhaling smoke- this is what keeps me coming back.

Anyway, it's no big issue for me if cricketers smoke. It's unprofessional, sure, but at least smoking is relatively benign. They could get up to far worse things in their spare time, like footballers, for example.
 
Mamoon said:
The truth is the effects of nicotine are only a very small part of what causes you to be an avid smoker.

Scientifically, Nicotine by itself is only a mild central system stimulant similar to caffeine and has very mild addictive properties pretty much like caffeine.

You may have experienced yourself trying to quit smoking using the Nicotine Patches, Gums, Lozenges etc. Those products all have very low success rates.

Why? They don't satisfy the smokers appetite for the cigarette smoke they are meant to replace.

Nicotine in it's natural form also does not kill from smoking cigarettes, much like no one ever dies from drinking coffee.

It does not cause cancer, does not cause heart disease, does not cause lung disease. Experts say nicotine in it's natural form have only about the same health risks associated with it's use as coffee drinkers.

The nicotine metabolizes so fast that the only reason a smoker has another cigarette is because the nicotine from the last is nearly gone.

A five, ten, or twenty-year smoker is no more or less addicted than a forty -a-year smoker. It comes down to how much tobacco smoke one can tolerate, and the barely discernible effects of the nicotine.

Most every study you see that says nicotine is bad for you is a study on cigarette smoke. They do not separate the nicotine and the smoke.

Those studies are all flawed. It's the smoke that causes illness and death. Smoke itself is full of deadly carcinogens - it doesn't need nicotine to make you ill and eventually kill you.

nicotine is not addictive as physiological addictions are usually defined.

While it does have a physiological role in increasing cognitive abilities such as attention and memory, it’s not an addictive substance like heroin which creates true systemic and biologically based withdrawal symptoms in the body of the user.
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Lol wow. So off base with everything here.

Yes. Most smokers use tobacco regularly because they are addicted to nicotine. Addiction is characterized by compulsive drug seeking and abuse, even in the face of negative health consequences. It is well documented that most smokers identify tobacco use as harmful and express a desire to reduce or stop using it, and nearly 35 million of them want to quit each year. Unfortunately, more than 85 percent of those who try to quit on their own relapse, most within a week.

Research has shown how nicotine acts on the brain to produce a number of effects. Of primary importance to its addictive nature are findings that nicotine activates reward pathways—the brain circuitry that regulates feelings of pleasure. A key brain chemical involved in mediating the desire to consume drugs is the neurotransmitter dopamine, and research has shown that nicotine increases levels of dopamine in the reward circuits. This reaction is similar to that seen with other drugs of abuse and is thought to underlie the pleasurable sensations experienced by many smokers. For many tobacco users, long-term brain changes induced by continued nicotine exposure result in addiction.

Nicotine’s pharmacokinetic properties also enhance its abuse potential. Cigarette smoking produces a rapid distribution of nicotine to the brain, with drug levels peaking within 10 seconds of inhalation. However, the acute effects of nicotine dissipate quickly, as do the associated feelings of reward, which causes the smoker to continue dosing to maintain the drug’s pleasurable effects and prevent withdrawal.

Nicotine withdrawal symptoms include irritability, craving, depression, anxiety, cognitive and attention deficits, sleep disturbances, and increased appetite. These symptoms may begin within a few hours after the last cigarette, quickly driving people back to tobacco use. Symptoms peak within the first few days of smoking cessation and usually subside within a few weeks. For some people, however, symptoms may persist for months.

Although withdrawal is related to the pharmacological effects of nicotine, many behavioral factors can also affect the severity of withdrawal symptoms. For some people, the feel, smell, and sight of a cigarette and the ritual of obtaining, handling, lighting, and smoking the cigarette are all associated with the pleasurable effects of smoking and can make withdrawal or craving worse. Nicotine replacement therapies such as gum, patches, and inhalers may help alleviate the pharmacological aspects of withdrawal; however, cravings often persist. Behavioral therapies can help smokers identify environmental triggers of craving so they can employ strategies to prevent or circumvent these symptoms and urges.
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Mamoon said:
They don't work because not watching tv/computer is impractical for you and not consuming plates of hot halwa is impractical for the mullahs so you are justifying their use.

I don't blame you or anyone else, it's the habit of all Muslims including me.

We twist and distort the religion to satisfy and justify our needs and practices. Everyone has his own version of Islam.
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very true but imo smoking (marijuana or cigerette) isn't bad for you as drinking alcohol is its very bad for body and mind , These cricketers can do whatever they want if they can drink in public then wh ocares if they smoke here and there
 
Mamoon said:
Smoking is NOT an addiction; it's a habit.

There is a difference between the two.

Secondly, craving for certain types of food is also a habit - you get used to it and you crave for more.

People with sweet tooth are not addicted to chocolates and pastries etc. It becomes a habit for them.
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I work in addiction services...although GPs tend to deal with smoking cessation, it IS an addiction and btw smoking causes atherosclerosis too. Please don't try to justify that it's ok to smoke.
 
Don't get the point of smoking, if you are going to smoke either smoke the real "thing" or don't smoke at all.
 
Abdur Rehman, Shahid Afridi, Ahmed Shehzad, Tanvir Ahmed, Waqar Younis smokes...

Verstuurd vanaf mijn GT-I9300 met Tapatalk
 
I'm seeing Mamoon ( my favorite poster ) being quoted as Mamoon Ghaffer, I thought both were different people.
 
I have changed my username. I'm the same guy.

On topic, no it's not an addiction. It's a habitual craving and I've explained my opinion in post number 100.

It's a person decision as well. If a player smokes let him do it unless he does it when he's on duty (playing a match or training etc).
 
CricFan2012 said:
I'm seeing Mamoon ( my favorite poster ) being quoted as Mamoon Ghaffer, I thought both were different people.
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You mean the guy who is being laughed at, at the top of this page, and most threads?

Mamoon said:
I have changed my username. I'm the same guy.

On topic, no it's not an addiction. It's a habitual craving and I've explained my opinion in post number 100.

It's a person decision as well. If a player smokes let him do it unless he does it when he's on duty (playing a match or training etc).
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I tried quitting smoking 3 months ago (went cold turkey) and I started fainting at work everyday. I went to the doctor and passed out in the lobby. Don't you ever tell anyone that it's a habit. I only smoke 5 cigs a day and my body and brain depend on nicotine. I will eventually quit by gradually reducing the intake. I'm off to smoke one now.
 
Tobacco is responsible for about 10-20% of all deaths in the world. This is perhaps the only commodity that is allowed to be marketed with a warning label "Smoking is injurious to health". You need a doctor's prescription for getting most of the medications available in the pharmacy (because they are supposedly unsafe for short term/long term use without supervision) but there is no such restriction for this slow poison.
 
They are off the field ,they can do what they want,Root for me is more like a social smoker i think he smoke casualy to be in the 'group'.
Even for drugs like cannabis this is their own choice ,lot of artist and intelluctuall take cannabis or others drugs to get inspire,imaginative.In fact drugs not really give you imagination or whatever, that 's just help you to broke your own limits(intellictual and physical) but that is a double -edge-sword because that can make you addict ,kill you and kill your common sense.

Personnaly i don't smoke nor get drug or whatever not because someone or something say me to not nor because of health .Just because i can't tolerate to be addict or dependant at someone or something,that's gonna kill my self estim.
 
Silly Point said:
You mean the guy who is being laughed at, at the top of this page, and most threads?


I tried quitting smoking 3 months ago (went cold turkey) and I started fainting at work everyday. I went to the doctor and passed out in the lobby. Don't you ever tell anyone that it's a habit. I only smoke 5 cigs a day and my body and brain depend on nicotine. I will eventually quit by gradually reducing the intake. I'm off to smoke one now.
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How many years did you smoke? I used to smoke about 5 everyday. Stopped abruptly one month ago. No problems except when seeing my friends smoke, makes me want to have one when I see it.
 
IndianWillow said:
Tobacco is responsible for about 10-20% of all deaths in the world. This is perhaps the only commodity that is allowed to be marketed with a warning label "Smoking is injurious to health". You need a doctor's prescription for getting most of the medications available in the pharmacy (because they are supposedly unsafe for short term/long term use without supervision) but there is no such restriction for this slow poison.
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Citation needed
 
its a foolish thing to say that its a personal decision and we should not care.. Smokers have issue in fitness, there lungs are so much damaged that they cannot run.



I wonder what would be Julian Fountain's opinion on a smoker's fitness, running between wickets and in fielding
 
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Silly Point said:
You mean the guy who is being laughed at, at the top of this page, and most threads?


I tried quitting smoking 3 months ago (went cold turkey) and I started fainting at work everyday. I went to the doctor and passed out in the lobby. Don't you ever tell anyone that it's a habit. I only smoke 5 cigs a day and my body and brain depend on nicotine. I will eventually quit by gradually reducing the intake. I'm off to smoke one now.
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:))) Lol at the first part but definitely not for the second. Take care of yourself, dude and DO NOT go to Mamoon for a checkup.
 
Smoking is more addictive than heroin. Fact.

Also, I know. Anyone calling it some sort of silly habit is spilling nothing prettier than garbage.

From India, Srinath was a heavy smoker. Also Srikkanth. Funnily seems to be a South Indian issue, as a lot of the guys used to smoke at the state junior level, at least.
 
Mamoon said:
I'm a med student and I know about but both things are parallel.

Fatty foods taste better than healthy food like veggies etc.

it is more easy and convenient to go on a diet of pizzas, burgers etc than on a diet consisting of low carb, high fibre and protein diet.

Humans have the tendency of over doing things that are not good for them but making one halal and one haram is wrong.
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Ever heard of leptin and ghrelin?

Nicotinic receptors?
 
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PakGirl! said:
It's not just cricketers but nobody should smoke!it's so bad for health..
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Kinda like eating junk food, its personal choice lol. Personally i wouldn't smoke due to the fact that some people cant go few hours without smoking.
 
Dhaka: Star Afghanistan cricketer Mohammad Shahzad was spotted smoking a cigarette at the iconic Sher-e-Bangla stadium as the Bangladesh Premier League game between Comilla Victorians and Minister Group Dhaka was abandoned due to rain. Reports suggest that Minister Group Dhaka coach Mizanur Rahman had cautioned Shahzad, while senior batter Tamim Iqbal asked him to go to the dressing-room.

The star Afgan cricketer is now set to be penalised as he has breached Article 2.20 of the BCB code of conduct which pertains to “conduct that is contrary to the spirit of the game.” A demerit point has already been added to his disciplinary record.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...viral-afghan-cricketer-faces-backlash-1012938

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A very relaxed atmosphere at the BPL. Here's Khulna Tigers head coach and former international cricketer Khaled Mahmud having a cigarette in the dressing room during his team's match against Fortune Barishal <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BPL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/ip9wcAdZBu">pic.twitter.com/ip9wcAdZBu</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1624393318472859648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2023</a></blockquote>
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Did an interview with a Pakistan player recently. He had a cigarette before the interview and two after the interview when we chatted for a few minutes.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A very relaxed atmosphere at the BPL. Here's Khulna Tigers head coach and former international cricketer Khaled Mahmud having a cigarette in the dressing room during his team's match against Fortune Barishal <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BPL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/ip9wcAdZBu">pic.twitter.com/ip9wcAdZBu</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1624393318472859648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2023</a></blockquote>
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Something so obscene - sportspeople smoking during game time.
 
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