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shaz619 said:
My main surprise has been with ETH, maybe the fundamentals are not anticipated to be as solid as they were? It didn’t previously bleed as much, but maybe it was always in a bubble following the Covid bull run.
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To be honest with you, I think ETH may get taken over by other coins (with superior technologies) in the future.

ETH has various issues (for example, high gas fee).

ETH is #2 because of past reputation and longevity.
 
sweep_shot said:
To be honest with you, I think ETH may get taken over by other coins in the future.

ETH's gas fee is very high and it is also not the fastest.

ETH is #2 because of past reputation and longevity.
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I feel the same, I’m more risk averse now and it will be sold when I double my return, picked mine up a little pricey close to the 2k mark
 
shaz619 said:
I feel the same, I’m more risk averse now and it will be sold when I double my return, picked mine up a little pricey close to the 2k mark
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I am now more careful with alt-coins. I have most of my investments in Bitcoin (around 60%). I may pump more funds in Bitcoin and less in alt-coins.

99% of the alt-coins are likely to fail or make you lose money.
 
My dislike for crypto had increased since TRUMP’s Shenanigans, the obfuscation of his family business is annoying with FBI in his bag now.

After covid the amount of bubbles have increased ten folds, insane that nothing is valued at revenue anymore but future revenue.
 
JaDed said:
My dislike for crypto had increased since TRUMP’s Shenanigans, the obfuscation of his family business is annoying with FBI in his bag now.

After covid the amount of bubbles have increased ten folds, insane that nothing is valued at revenue anymore but future revenue.
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Cryptos are long-term assets. I am talking about major cryptos like Bitcoin, ChainLink etc.

10-20 years from now, it should become very big.

Just check the trajectory since 2009.
 
sweep_shot said:
Cryptos are long-term assets. I am talking about major cryptos like Bitcoin, ChainLink etc.

10-20 years from now, it should become very big.

Just check the trajectory since 2009.
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I don’t doubt that for BTC AND ETH either.. the problem is the scams bring the authenticity of it down.

And that’s not just for crypto , I feel the same for AI, Semiconductors, Quantum stocks
 
JaDed said:
I don’t doubt that for BTC AND ETH either.. the problem is the scams bring the authenticity of it down.

And that’s not just for crypto , I feel the same for AI, Semiconductors, Quantum stocks
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99% of the cryptos are scams and vaporwares.

But, there are a handful of cryptos which are from well reputable people. Some of these may still fail but these are not scams.

Anyway, I am focusing on 10-12 cryptos now. May cut down to 8.
 
sweep_shot said:
@JaDed

Do you think Web 3.0 is the future? There are many crypto enthusiasts who believe in upcoming web 3.0.
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Can’t tell honestly ,I believed in Web 3.0 from Covid itself(NFT Peak).. but Im still unclear as to how it will play out.

I grew up learning web 2.0 and till date I implemented solutions based on web 2.0 tech stack and i do hope web 3.0 plays out as right now we need some level of decentralisation, BIG TECH controls everything .

People that coined the term web 2.0 were clear though that unless someone figures out a way to make money using web 3.0 it won’t play-out and we have to wait until that happens.. paypal success is what made web 2.0 happen, atleast one major company will have to figure out web 3.0
 
JaDed said:
Can’t tell honestly ,I believed in Web 3.0 from Covid itself(NFT Peak).. but Im still unclear as to how it will play out.

I grew up learning web 2.0 and till date I implemented solutions based on web 2.0 tech stack and i do hope web 3.0 plays out as right now we need some level of decentralisation, BIG TECH controls everything .

People that coined the term web 2.0 were clear though that unless someone figures out a way to make money using web 3.0 it won’t play-out and we have to wait until that happens.. paypal success is what made web 2.0 happen, atleast one major company will have to figure out web 3.0
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I see.

I hope Web 3.0 takes off. Current system is too centralized.
 
JaDed said:
I don’t doubt that for BTC AND ETH either.. the problem is the scams bring the authenticity of it down.

And that’s not just for crypto , I feel the same for AI, Semiconductors, Quantum stocks
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You still like ETH as much as BTC for the long haul?
 
Kianig89 said:
So Pakistans crypto Council advisor resigns , what happened the govt boot 👢 licked Trump for crypto thing @Bewal Express
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What the hell is going on. They offered the Trump family some sort of Investment opportunity and Trumps being as corrupt as our Generals, took up the offfer. Maybe someone, can enlighten us as to the current status
 
2025 Scoreboard so far:

Silver: +130%
Gold: +65%
Copper: +35%
Nasdaq: +20%
S&P 500: +16%
Russell 2000: +13%
Bitcoin: –6%
Ethereum: –12%
Altcoins: –42%

Crypto is officially the worst-performing major asset class of 2025.
 
Technics 1210 said:
2025 Scoreboard so far:

Silver: +130%
Gold: +65%
Copper: +35%
Nasdaq: +20%
S&P 500: +16%
Russell 2000: +13%
Bitcoin: –6%
Ethereum: –12%
Altcoins: –42%

Crypto is officially the worst-performing major asset class of 2025.
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Cryptos have had a tough year.

But, I think Bitcoin will rise in the long run. Maybe Etherum too.

Anyway, gold is always the best investment. Battle-tested. Time-tested.
 
Been doing crypto since few hours now, i have been into btc, alts, memecoins, onchain etc etc i havent left anything lol.

If i talk about BTC and ALTS - I believe we going down below 80K sooner and in q1 2026 we will see one more pump towards 100k-110k area and then a complete retrace will happen. I aint seeing any new ATH in coming year honestly. Maybe Sept-Oct will mark the bottom but thats still a long time to go and since now the market is heavily manipulated by Trumpo and News etc.

I am seeing people like ETH alot, bruh honestly ETH have worst devs rn, even a memecoin dev is better than ETH. ETH foundation, Vitalik, Hayden they all are selling ETH nonstop. Even that douchebag Vitalik is rugging onchain coins, removing LPs lmao. I believe SOL, BNB, XRP still better asset than ETH rn.

Having said that, Onchain markets is the place where people will make more money as compared to cexs market. And in 2026, i can see PREDICTION MARKETS will boom. Polymarket and etc will see massive influx of money and traders.

So i would suggest to keep eye on prediction markets wave and Onchain coins.

BTC still behaving at 100MA, SOL is on massive H&S so a flush towards down looks like imminent at least to me :)))

Lastly, one more Narra which might come into play is X402, rn looks like Base and Sol is competing for it but eventually SOL eco will come out at top though.

(Since thread is about Crypto, so wont talk about Stocks, Gold, Silver etc)

@sweep_shot @Hitman @Bhaag Viru Bhaag
 
Bewal Express said:
What the hell is going on. They offered the Trump family some sort of Investment opportunity and Trumps being as corrupt as our Generals, took up the offfer. Maybe someone, can enlighten us as to the current status
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Ohky so lemme summarize the PVARA, and Crypto regulations in Pakistan and how GOV and Estab is doing it.

First of all they appointed young, Dynamic Bilal Bin Saqib :)) But i think very few of you might know, that Bilal Saqib is a known rugger and scammer in crypto comms, dude literally scammed 8M$ in a token called $WATER. But you know, our GOVT needs a person like that.

Then, they went to CZ for the advisor role, a guy who went to jail, pleaded guilty for money laundering hahaha what a joke.

So am sure it makes clear what are the intentions of our govt with all crypto regulations and stuff. And bruh, i wanted to kms when i saw our Asim sahab in pics with Richard Teng and other crypto guys OMG that was hilarious.

Anyways, to normal people in Pakistan its still a good step. At least they will need be afraid of FIA and their stupidity anymore, and they will be able to earn money via their own hard work while sitting at home.
 
Forgot to mention, on 19th DEC BOJ (Japan) rates came out and they increased it to 0.75% the highest in 30 years.

Whenever it happens, BTC tends to go down in 2-3 weeks. So yeah be carefull with that though. And going down aint bad, actually it will create some clean entries for people who wants in.

I woulda be much active here if some people can gather here and start talking about crypto :)) as am sure i can add lots of value here.
 
sweep_shot said:
To be honest with you, I think ETH may get taken over by other coins (with superior technologies) in the future.

ETH has various issues (for example, high gas fee).

ETH is #2 because of past reputation and longevity.
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Gas fees issues has been resolved via Fusaka upgrade. The real problem is in ETH foundation, and ETH devs. They are helluva nonserious, like dud if you are selling your own coins then why the hell big companies would keep interest in it?

And thats the reason we are seeing companies filing for SOLANA ETFS.
 
Ohky so couldnt find STOCKS thread. I want to mention one stock here though $FLNC belongs to Energy sector. 5.4b$ orders backlogs and if we see the forecast of upcoming years it shows good trend. NFA DYOR though :))
 
Hermoine Green said:
Gas fees issues has been resolved via Fusaka upgrade. The real problem is in ETH foundation, and ETH devs. They are helluva nonserious, like dud if you are selling your own coins then why the hell big companies would keep interest in it?

And thats the reason we are seeing companies filing for SOLANA ETFS.
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I see.

Anyway, most of my crypto investments are in BTC. It is like 80% of my portfolio currently.

Other 20% are divided into Etherum, XRP, and Sui.

For me, Sui is kind of like a dark horse. I think it can take off like Solana. It actually has a better tech than Solana. Let's see what happens.
 
@Technics 1210 @finalfantasy7 @aboveandbeyond

One of the co-founders of Solana (a top 10 crypto) is an Indian.

Guess what Solana did? They lied and used deception during initial years; they inflated their metrics. They are now involved in a lawsuit --> https://www.dlnews.com/articles/defi/solana-execs-sued-over-memecoin-trades/.

I have sold my Solana. I don't want to hold a crypto where founder is an Indian. I have lost count how many Indian projects/businesses have been accused of frauds. :inti



https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fsiuoo/reddit_users_uncover_alleged_bot_activity

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ta7anv/you_remember_when_solana_was_the_next_big_thing
 
sweep_shot said:
@Technics 1210 @finalfantasy7 @aboveandbeyond

One of the co-founders of Solana (a top 10 crypto) is an Indian.

Guess what Solana did? They lied and used deception during initial years; they inflated their metrics. They are now involved in a lawsuit --> https://www.dlnews.com/articles/defi/solana-execs-sued-over-memecoin-trades/.

I have sold my Solana. I don't want to hold a crypto where founder is an Indian. I have lost count how many Indian projects/businesses have been accused of frauds. :inti



https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fsiuoo/reddit_users_uncover_alleged_bot_activity

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ta7anv/you_remember_when_solana_was_the_next_big_thing
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The moment you get a whiff of Indian involvement - BAIL!

Short anything Indian on the markets.

INR toast. Indian foreign reserves toast. Indian economy toast.

Hand them the butter.
 
sweep_shot said:
@Technics 1210 @finalfantasy7 @aboveandbeyond

One of the co-founders of Solana (a top 10 crypto) is an Indian.

Guess what Solana did? They lied and used deception during initial years; they inflated their metrics. They are now involved in a lawsuit --> https://www.dlnews.com/articles/defi/solana-execs-sued-over-memecoin-trades/.

I have sold my Solana. I don't want to hold a crypto where founder is an Indian. I have lost count how many Indian projects/businesses have been accused of frauds. :inti



https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fsiuoo/reddit_users_uncover_alleged_bot_activity

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ta7anv/you_remember_when_solana_was_the_next_big_thing
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every indian company does the same lying manipulation inflation of numbers.


@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @RexRex @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @rpant_gabba, @Romali_rotti

your thoughts
 
finalfantasy7 said:
every indian company does the same lying manipulation inflation of numbers.


@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @RexRex @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @rpant_gabba, @Romali_rotti

your thoughts
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Yup. Big time.

I have lost count how many Indian-owned projects/businesses have been accused of frauds and unethical practices.

A very alarming pattern. :inti

Suffice to say I do not buy any crypto that has an Indian founder/CEO. I got rid of Solana because of this very reason (they have been accused of fabricating their metrics and is now facing a lawsuit for another reason).
 
sweep_shot said:
@Technics 1210 @finalfantasy7 @aboveandbeyond

One of the co-founders of Solana (a top 10 crypto) is an Indian.

Guess what Solana did? They lied and used deception during initial years; they inflated their metrics. They are now involved in a lawsuit --> https://www.dlnews.com/articles/defi/solana-execs-sued-over-memecoin-trades/.

I have sold my Solana. I don't want to hold a crypto where founder is an Indian. I have lost count how many Indian projects/businesses have been accused of frauds. :inti



https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1fsiuoo/reddit_users_uncover_alleged_bot_activity

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ta7anv/you_remember_when_solana_was_the_next_big_thing
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Thanks. I've got holdings in Solana. Will be selling In due course.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Thanks. I've got holdings in Solana. Will be selling In due course.
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You are welcome.

Solana lied about their metrics. If they lied about that, what else did they lie about?

I don't hold any crypto/stock where founders use deception. That's a red flag. I prefer to be involved with honest people.

Anyway, here are the 6 coins I currently hold ---> Bitcoin, Etherum, XRP, SUI, ChainLink, and HBAR. No Indian CEO/Founder with any of these. Also, no track record of deception or any unethical practice. :inti
 
finalfantasy7 said:
every indian company does the same lying manipulation inflation of numbers.


@Rajdeep @cricketjoshila @Champ_Pal @JaDed @Devadwal @uppercut @Theanonymousone @straighttalk @Vikram1989 @RexRex @Varun @Romali_rotti @Bhaijaan @Cover Drive Six @rickroll @rpant_gabba, @Romali_rotti

your thoughts
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The reason is simple.

The illiteracy rate in India is in the 90s.

The critical thinking rate in India is in the low 1s.

The means that instead of aspiring to be better, the cult dupe their own. Of course they've been doing this for 1000s of years, but this time there is a monetary gain.

However, remember the typical cult member is illiterate and subservient, so what next? Try and dupe the rest of the world.

Bad move. The rest of the world isn't subservient or illiterate as India.
 
sweep_shot said:
You are welcome.

Solana lied about their metrics. If they lied about that, what else did they lie about?

I don't hold any crypto/stock where founders use deception. That's a red flag. I prefer to be involved with honest people.

Anyway, here are the 6 coins I currently hold ---> Bitcoin, Etherum, XRP, SUI, ChainLink, and HBAR. No Indian CEO/Founder with any of these. Also, no track record of deception or any unethical practice. :inti
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Cool 😎
 
Technics 1210 said:
The reason is simple.

The illiteracy rate in India is in the 90s.

The critical thinking rate in India is in the low 1s.

The means that instead of aspiring to be better, the cult dupe their own. Of course they've been doing this for 1000s of years, but this time there is a monetary gain.

However, remember the typical cult member is illiterate and subservient, so what next? Try and dupe the rest of the world.

Bad move. The rest of the world isn't subservient or illiterate as India.
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ok, i get you, indians iq score around the same as room tempreature
 

Probe Agency ED Busts Rs 2,300-Crore Crypto Scam Across Himachal, Punjab​




The probe agency found that the group operated fraudulent crypto-MLM schemes through self-created, unregulated platforms.​


The Enforcement Directorate conducted coordinated search operations at eight locations across Himachal Pradesh and Punjab on Saturday in connection with a fake cryptocurrency-based Ponzi and Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) scam that allegedly defrauded several investors of around Rs 2,300 crore.

The operation was carried out under the Prevention of Money Laundering Act (PMLA), following multiple FIRs registered in both states against the alleged mastermind, Subhash Sharma, who fled India in 2023, and his associates. The accused face charges under the Indian Penal Code, the Chit Funds Act, and the Banning of Unregulated Deposit Schemes Act, among other statutes.

The probe agency found that the group operated fraudulent crypto-MLM schemes through self-created, unregulated platforms, including Korvio, Voscrow, DGT, Hypenext and A-Global. Investors were lured with promises of extraordinary returns, while the schemes functioned as classic Ponzi operations using funds from new investors to pay earlier participants.

Searches revealed deliberate manipulation of fictitious token prices, repeated shutdowns and rebranding of platforms to evade detection, and extensive laundering of proceeds of crime through cash collections routed via builders, shell entities, and personal accounts of the accused and their relatives. Several commission agents reportedly earned crores by onboarding new investors, aided by foreign travel incentives and promotional events.

Despite freezing orders issued in November 2023, investigators found that 15 plots in Zirakpur in Punjab's Mohali district were illegally sold by one of the accused in contravention of the law. The searches led to the freezing of three lockers, bank deposits worth around Rs 1.2 crore, and seizure of incriminating documents, investor databases and digital devices pointing to large-scale laundering and unnamed property acquisitions. Further investigation is underway.
 
finalfantasy7 said:

Probe Agency ED Busts Rs 2,300-Crore Crypto Scam Across Himachal, Punjab​




The probe agency found that the group operated fraudulent crypto-MLM schemes through self-created, unregulated platforms.​


The Enforcement Directorate conducted coordinated search operations at eight locations across Himachal Pradesh and Punjab on Saturday in connection with a fake cryptocurrency-based Ponzi and Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) scam that allegedly defrauded several investors of around Rs 2,300 crore.

The operation was carried out under the Prevention of Money Laundering Act (PMLA), following multiple FIRs registered in both states against the alleged mastermind, Subhash Sharma, who fled India in 2023, and his associates. The accused face charges under the Indian Penal Code, the Chit Funds Act, and the Banning of Unregulated Deposit Schemes Act, among other statutes.

The probe agency found that the group operated fraudulent crypto-MLM schemes through self-created, unregulated platforms, including Korvio, Voscrow, DGT, Hypenext and A-Global. Investors were lured with promises of extraordinary returns, while the schemes functioned as classic Ponzi operations using funds from new investors to pay earlier participants.

Searches revealed deliberate manipulation of fictitious token prices, repeated shutdowns and rebranding of platforms to evade detection, and extensive laundering of proceeds of crime through cash collections routed via builders, shell entities, and personal accounts of the accused and their relatives. Several commission agents reportedly earned crores by onboarding new investors, aided by foreign travel incentives and promotional events.

Despite freezing orders issued in November 2023, investigators found that 15 plots in Zirakpur in Punjab's Mohali district were illegally sold by one of the accused in contravention of the law. The searches led to the freezing of three lockers, bank deposits worth around Rs 1.2 crore, and seizure of incriminating documents, investor databases and digital devices pointing to large-scale laundering and unnamed property acquisitions. Further investigation is underway.
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Well done.

Indian scammers are trying to corrupt crypto world like they corrupted many other things.

I think all crypto exchanges based in India should be avoided. They are more likely to do corruptions based on track record. :inti
 
sweep_shot said:
Well done.

Indian scammers are trying to corrupt crypto world like they corrupted many other things.

I think all crypto exchanges based in India should be avoided. They are more likely to do corruptions based on track record. :inti
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they corrupt every field,
 
LOL. This cracked me up. Very true. :yk

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag @aboveandbeyond

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I have selected 6 cryptos for long-term holding --> Bitcoin, Etherum, XRP, Sui, ChainLink, and HBAR.

I would've added Solana too but I found out they were deceptive during their initial years (lied about their metrics, tokenomics etc.). So, I removed Solana from my portfolio even if it seems promising. I also removed Cardano and Avalanche for similar reasons.

I like to hold tokens where CEOs/owners have honest and truthful track records. If I sense any deception, I dump it.

Anyway, I want to focus on these 6 cryptos for now.

I may play around with some smaller coins occasionally (to make quick short-term profits) but those are not my long-term focuses.
 
I have decided to sell all alt-coins and put it in gold.

I expect crypto market to remain extra-volatile until Trump is gone from the office and until Clarity Act is passed.

My portfolio is now 55% Bitcoin and 45% gold. Want to avoid alt-coins until Trump is gone from power. :inti
 
sweep_shot said:
I have decided to sell all alt-coins and put it in gold.

I expect crypto market to remain extra-volatile until Trump is gone from the office and until Clarity Act is passed.

My portfolio is now 55% Bitcoin and 45% gold. Want to avoid alt-coins until Trump is gone from power. :inti
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Agree. Trump is an absolute Tool. The sooner we see the back of him the better.
 
Bitcoin collapsing, $74K as I type. The $80K floor was very crucial.
 
IAJ said:
Next stop could easily be at $55K?
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We are officially in the bear market.

Anyway, this is not the first time. Bear markets happened before also. These should rise again.

I sold 50% of my crypto holdings right before the crash. I put it in gold thankfully. :inti
 
You're witnessing one of the greatest pump and dumps in a sector.

The idea that crypto is a flight to safety above Gold has been proven false.
 
Technics 1210 said:
You're witnessing one of the greatest pump and dumps in a sector.

The idea that crypto is a flight to safety above Gold has been proven false.
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Gold is time-tested, battle-tested.

Gold has thousands of years of legacy. Safest investment in human history.

Cryptos are pretty new to the scene. I still think it is possible to make money with cryptos but it is not like traditional stocks/commodities.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Nope. Very little BTC or crypto in general. Mostly exposed to the US tech sector.

Not a financial advice.
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6-8 months ago, I was very pro-crypto.

I still am but I have become more of a gold maximalist now. Trump has destroyed cryptos. :inti

I still want to have a bit of crypto exposure for diversification purpose. But, gold and silver should receive most of my allocations moving forward.
 
sweep_shot said:
Trump happened. :qdkcheeky

He started all the crashes.

This is why incompetent and amateur people should never become presidents/prime ministers.
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What does it have to do with him? The market isn’t happy with Amazon’s projected capex spending.
 
Best time to buy as much BTC as you can. Stack as much as possible. I hope the bear market continues for at least another 2 years.​
 
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