My families are Hindu and Sikh, Dharmic identity is being associated with Dharmic faith.
This sounds like a personal belief to you.
Khalistani Sikhs unfortunately don’t even know Sikhism entirely, Amritdhari Sikhs are ones I’m talking about and they are spread from Nanded in West India to Patnasahib in east to HemKund Sahib in Uttrakhand.
Ok thanks for the clarification
You do the same for Islamic empires, do you want to debate on Caliphate?
Read the history before you talk. Nope, the Cholas never invaded SE Asia. The Cholas had an alliance with the Khmer kings there who were Buddhists and helped the Khymers distroy the enemies - the huge trade and political exchanges lead to building of the Angkor Wat which was both a Buddhist Khmer temple as well a temple dedicated to Hindu god Vishnu.
Cholas did attack the Sri Vijaya Empire of modern day Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines and parts of Srilanka and destroyed them. That put an end to the once mighty Sri Vijayans. They never established or extend their empire to include SE Asia lands.
And Apu from the Simpsons, but to be fair, that might be just because their Indian imports were from southern India.
Spanish Inquisition as well.Correct.
Another example would be Spanish Empire in Peru and other South American places. They have done horrible things there.
Crusaders killed both Muslims and Jews during first Crusade.
Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Spanish colonization of the Americas - Wikipedia
First Crusade - Wikipedia
Vast majority of the empires during those periods had cutthroat approaches. So, if someone compare Mughals to "Nazis", they should call Spanish Empire, Portuguese Empire, British Empire, Crusaders etc. Nazis too.
First paragraph is an understandable view except for the part about taxes on your ancestors.
Muslims will get enough good jobs and important ones to pay the tax .by the way do u know how Percentage for each tax Hindus/Non muslims have to pay tax for visiting religious places but not muslims
Zakat and Jiziya are not tax. Zakat is a religious obligation and a muslim is upholding a pillar of islam happily. While Jiziya is protection money (protection from whom?) a kaffir pays.
Their definitions are different but their contribution toward the empire are similar.
There have been times in history when the amount being paid in Zakat by Muslims exceeded the amount being paid in Jizya by non Muslims because no way is it fixed that Jizya has to exceed Zakat or vice versa .
Every one has to believe its all for development leaving aside all the holy temples destruction, looting, massacre of people for being different religion, beheading revered Sikh leader and his family
It is not the money, it is the definition.
Yes, they are all evil
so you are caliming that the mughals were arabs?
What about the Hindu empires and rival kingdoms?
Invaders have not spent their personal money brought from turkey ,it's the tax paid by its citizens for being hindus.Taj mahal was for his wife ,it's not atleast a public benevolent purpose .Atleast char minar in Hyderabad was built to seek blessings.
could you plz provide us data that the hindus paid exactly or more the amount spent on to built Taj Mahal.
So you want us to appreciate them today without applying today's standards? Interesting
Lets spill it out mate, we all know why you support Mughals. Why pretend?
Also, no one is stopping you from supporting them but pls don't tell us (Indians) whom to appreciate or not. No sane hindus would ever support a barbaric regime after they tried to wipe out their religion and converted million. We stand united with everything Yogi and Modi is doing by wiping out Mughals from Indian history books.
And if it gives you any peace of mind, no one glorifies Portuguese or British Empire. Its just that they were lesser evils.
genocide by portuguese is not taught, in fact even their rule is not taught in school text. History for a long time has been about mughals and british, with more focus on the evils of british than mughals. The reason being that most education ministers have been muslims. While there is consensus across sides that british was evil ( shashi tharoor even wrote a few books about them), but mughals has been glorified. That is why you see the blowback against mughal history than british.
Could pls provide the money spent from their purse.India was already contributing 30 percent of of world's gdp at that time.
India's gdp is almost 4 trillion lol. Don't think our economy will collapse with the pennies we earn from than monument.
Genocide is good if you give people biriyani
Why would the rest of the world care, the mughals didn't murder, invade and loot them.
www.sikhnet.com
Exactly, what is this fuss all about?
Mughal India ~ The Biggest Holocaust in World History
The modern World today is facing a global threat from organizations and groups of terrorists such as the ISIS, Taliban and Al-Qaeeda – whose ideology is chillingly similar to that of the perpetrators of the World’s biggest holocaust in India.
What is the fuss about invading and killing thousands. We would still support them bcoz they apparently build some monuments and introduced some cuisines.
We would support Mughal invaders with 'Free Palestine' signature in our profiles.
Forced conversions happened in the past. Even now in democratic societies, it happens in different forms such as exploiting their weakness, conditions, etc.
I understand your take on this. But, different religions think their path is the truth. Some even think it is the only truth. You, me, and we all know that is one of the causes of so much religious intolerance in the world.
You seem to believe God, Satan, etc. I don't. By "worship false idols" you are either referring to Hinduism or any other religions that worship idols. In Hinduism, the core concept is the Oneness of God. But they don't believe that God is someone sitting somewhere watching everyone's actions with a checklist of good deeds and bad deeds and assigning them to Heaven or Hell. They believe each and everything in the universe is part of God and nothing is beyond God. One extension of that belief is idol worship. Idols are representations just like how currencies represent value.
No, it was not. India was doing well before the invaders came in.
The truth will prevail.
I think this is a great point here. I have never seen christians in India praising Portuguese or British.
That massacre of 30,000 people ordered by Akbar is mentioned by Abul Fazl in his book Akbarnama, which is Akbar's biography. Or do you want to call that book a lie as well?
Ashoka was a killer.. now in that story as well if you read the article it says it might lack authenticity irrespective, I’ll go on to say Ashoka was a tyrant.
This is the underlying difference. Subcontinent muslims praise every muslim invader no matter how bad a muslim he was, because he helped the spread of Islam. Indian christians separate the religion from the european colonialists. I admire the muslim viewpoint here, because that is how I want hindus to be.
No matter how many times you condemn Ashoka, muslims will never condemn muslim invaders. And this is what secularized hindus don't learn. They are out to prove how neutral and objective they are. Muslims are out to prove how much muslim they are.
There are many. Many of their historic temples were destroyed by rival hindu gangs who broke the idols and carted away the riches.
Irrespective I have condemned Ashoka in other threads and have condemned Kings as such .
That’s exactly the same logic for Saudi vs Yemen, Israel vs Palestine but we know which matters more, even to Pakistanis India attacking will matter more than Iran attacking them which was obvious.
