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Current India T20I batting versus Pakistan T20I batting

Current India T20I batting versus Pakistan T20I batting

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Tyler Durden said:
Hold your horses! If not for Fakhar today, this Pak would have crumbled in pressure like how they lost 2 wickets in the 1st over. Yes! Fakhar is the only player who's a match-winner in this Pak lineup and all others are passengers. Shoib is gonna retire in few months and I don't see any other senior taking responsibility in his place. The new comers? Talats and Farhans and Haris Sohails in the top 3? well I saw enough of them already and they look like complete club level batsmen trying with no foot movement and terrible technique. No comparision with Indian couterparts!
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Sidilicious said:
But they didnt. Fakhar played one hell of an innings.

Couldn't you say the same for India. If top 3 doesnt score in ODIs, we will hardly get to 200. But that doesnt make the Indian batting poor. The top 3 are the reason for a formidable Indian batting.

So Fakhar is a big reason for the formidable Pakistan T20I batting.
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Adding to Sid's post; Indian team has deadweight like Rohit, Raina and Dhoni in their line up. Thats almost half of your batting line up.
 
By the way I agree that Fakhar is way better than our Sharma ji who eats lots of ball even in T20s.
 
Slim said:
Hahaha, you lot still living in your delusional word? Batting depending on one batsman, who knows that better than Indians. First Tendulkar and now Kohli. :14:

I dont have to live in an alternate world, the facts are for all to see. The number 1 T20I team. :pakflag2:
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Dude we whitewashed australia in australia by 3-0 in t20 series . And they had tgeir main players unlike this australian c team and somewhere else in zimbawe.
You are talking about the team who is consistent n.o 1 test side and almost n.o 1 odi side in the world for a very long time.
Your t20 matches ranking doesnt prove any thing if you want to compare indian batting with yours team.
 
Fakhar is a better t20 bat than dhawan, rohit and i think in odis also he has the potential to overtake both but it will take time.
 
[MENTION=146948]Slim[/MENTION]

Dude you’re the only one crying and showing desperation for the appreciation for Pak’s batting.

By the way last i checked Australia was whitewashed in England. May be they have beaten England in alternate universe.
 
Slim said:
I agree!

In tests especially and ODIs, Indian batting is far more experienced and thus better in terms of quantity and quality. We have the likes of Azhar and Shafiq in tests who are duds as compared to YK, MOYO. We have a lot to improve in tests and in ODIs we are almost there.
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In ODIs, you guys are too dependant on Babar, or even some like Hafeez or Malik to play long innings. Also, because Babar doesnt have the extra gear, you guys fall short of imposing totals even when Babar delivers.

You would need to have at least another bat who can consistently bat long innings, and to Faheem and Shadab to become the aggressors. Faheem especially is lacking in that department.
 
Sidilicious said:
In ODIs, you guys are too dependant on Babar, or even some like Hafeez or Malik to play long innings. Also, because Babar doesnt have the extra gear, you guys fall short of imposing totals even when Babar delivers.

You would need to have at least another bat who can consistently bat long innings, and to Faheem and Shadab to become the aggressors. Faheem especially is lacking in that department.
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Faheem is over-rated tbh. His supposed power game has been pure hype so far unfortunately. He has nothing to show for it. I hope he proves the like of me wrong. Shadab on the other hand is a quality number 9 and can hit sixes. We need Asif to solidify his position in the ODI squad as well and for Haris to learn to shift gears!

However, relatively long way to go in the test and ODI format.
 
OneTip-OneHand said:
By the way I agree that Fakhar is way better than our Sharma ji who eats lots of ball even in T20s.
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Sharmaji has a SR of 135 and avg of 31 over 80 plus T20Is. Fakhar has not played even 25 T20Is. Fakhar is playing really these days but hold your horses.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Sharmaji has a SR of 135 and avg of 31 over 80 plus T20Is. Fakhar has not played even 25 T20Is. Fakhar is playing really these days but hold your horses.
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I was talking about current form. Sharmaji has been a liability in T20s lately. Excellent ODI opener nonetheless.
 
Slim said:
Indian fans are living in the past with havebeens like Raina, Rohit and Dhoni in their squad. Over reliance on Kohli is another factor too.

However, in reality, the overhyping of Indian fans brings so much criticism to their team. Otherwise, i think they are a fairly above average side; right below Pakistan, England, Australia, SA.
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How many batsman in the Pakistan team are better than Dhoni?

Below Pakistan? Lol.
 
OneTip-OneHand said:
I was talking about current form. Sharmaji has been a liability in T20s lately. Excellent ODI opener nonetheless.
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Lately means how lately? Ireland series?

Rohit Sharma was good in SL.

Even Dhawan was very good in SL and SA T20 series he was top scorer in those series.

So hold your horses.
 
cricketjoshila said:
How many batsman in the Pakistan team are better than Dhoni?

Below Pakistan? Lol.
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I have managed to understand that you are a special snowflake. You are allowed to live in your delusional world.

Dhoni is a nobody nowadays and is a hasbeen now. He should retire from t20Is imo.
 
People keep forgetting that we were without Babar who whether you agree or not is the number one ranked T20 batsman and plays a very vital role for this side, and we STILL chased down 185odd with relative ease.

You have to be severely insecure or biased to not rate this batting line up.
 
Titan24 said:
With current Dhoni into consideration, actually many.

When was Dhoni a powerhouse in T20s any way?
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Name the many. He avgs 37 in T20Is. Thats very good avg for T20s. His SR is around 130 i believe. Those are his stats over 90 plus T20Is not 20 or 30.

He is a quiet performer in the T20s with a specific role to keep one end up while Kohlis and Sharmas and Yuvrajs and now Pandya can launch an attack.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Lately means how lately? Ireland series?

Rohit Sharma was good in SL.

Even Dhawan was very good in SL and SA T20 series he was top scorer in those series.

So hold your horses.
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Man he has 3 good innings in 2018. One against Ireland, 2 against BD. Thats out of 12. Nothing notable against SL, SA or Eng. Even he had a bad IPL.

So on current form if i prefer Fakhar over him, what’s wrong with that?
 
Slim said:
I have managed to understand that you are a special snowflake. You are allowed to live in your delusional world.

Dhoni is a nobody nowadays and is a hasbeen now. He should retire from t20Is imo.
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Personal attacks wont help you.

You calling a ATG LoI batsman nobody wont make it the truth. He is perhaps better than any LOI batsman Pakistan has ever produced. EVER.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Personal attacks wont help you.

You calling a ATG LoI batsman nobody wont make it the truth. He is perhaps better than any LOI batsman Pakistan has ever produced. EVER.
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No personal attack, called you special.

I dont care if hes an ATG ODI ( not LOI) batsman, hes a hasbeen now. Thats saying if tendulkar is playing for the current cricket team he makes the indian batting team better. Poor logic.
 
OneTip-OneHand said:
Man he has 3 good innings in 2018. One against Ireland, 2 against BD. Thats out of 12. Nothing notable against SL, SA or Eng. Even he had a bad IPL.

So on current form if i prefer Fakhar over him, what’s wrong with that?
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If thats the cricteria then Shikhar did very well in SA and SL. Why discount him? You cannot have it both ways.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If thats the cricteria then Shikhar did very well in SA and SL. Why discount him? You cannot have it both ways.
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Well i never said anything about Shikhar, did i? Out of Sharma, Dhawan and KL. I’d play KL and Dhawan as openers. Sharma should stick to ODIs.

I was just merely comparing Rohit and Fakhar. Out of these two, Fakhar edges right now imo.
 
Indian T20 batting is garbage. There is potential if right horses are backed but at the moment it is Kohli or bust, even Rahul's place is not secured because of various reasons. Remaining batsmen are absolutely awful, in fact we have the worst T20 batsman in history MS Dhoni hyped as some messiah. I will place Indian batting just above Sri Lanka, no higher. We aren't winning any more WT20 in the coming future, guarantee.
 
Slim said:
No personal attack, called you special.

I dont care if hes an ATG ODI ( not LOI) batsman, hes a hasbeen now. Thats saying if tendulkar is playing for the current cricket team he makes the indian batting team better. Poor logic.
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It doesnot matter what you care about. That doesnot change the fact that Dhoni is a LOI ATG.

Tendulkar is a retired cricketer for almost 5yrs. He isnt playing.
 
cricketjoshila said:
It doesnot matter what you care about. That doesnot change the fact that Dhoni is a LOI ATG.

Tendulkar is a retired cricketer for almost 5yrs. He isnt playing.
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No doubt dhoni in LOIs is an ATG. But in his current version he is pretty mediocre and saying that he is better than any batsman in Pakistani team is totally biased and delusional.

Asif Ali is a better striker than current Dhoni and Pandya combined, I will say it again and you will have to unbiasedly see him hitting to realize that and using your cricketing knowledge.
 
Titan24 said:
No doubt dhoni in LOIs is an ATG. But in his current version he is pretty mediocre and saying that he is better than any batsman in Pakistani team is totally biased and delusional.

Asif Ali is a better striker than current Dhoni and Pandya combined, I will say it again and you will have to unbiasedly see him hitting to realize that and using your cricketing knowledge.
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Asif Ali who? What has he done? How many runs has he scored?

I didnot say Dhoni is better than all Pakistani batsman on current form but over his career he is.

Right now on current Form Zaman is better than Dhoni and may be Babar as well. But thats about it.
 
Indian T20 team has so many potential superstars waiting in the sidelines for opportunities but the mafia won't relent. Corruption and nepotism will never leave us, it's in our genes.
 
If only sharjeel and Khalid hadn't gone into fixing:
Fakhar
Sharjeel
Babar
Khalid
Sarfraz
Asif
Faheem
Shadab
Amir
Hasan
Shaheen
This batting line up is as good if not better than Indian batting line up.
 
Currently Indian batting line up is the best in the world. They keep producing world class batsmen.
 
This is the difference between Ind batting and Pak batting they have multiple powerful hitter who are actually good batsmen while we only have fakhar.
 
Indian batting line up is far better.

An India / Pak contest would be very close. Over a 3 match series it can go 2-1 for either team.

Pakistan has the better bowling, but as always it would be India's bowlers vs Pakistani batsmen, and Pakistan's bowlers vs India's batsmen.
 
blackanhyellow said:
Indian batting line up is far better.

An India / Pak contest would be very close. Over a 3 match series it can go 2-1 for either team.

Pakistan has the better bowling, but as always it would be India's bowlers vs Pakistani batsmen, and Pakistan's bowlers vs India's batsmen.
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Well,of course!The game of cricket is one team's bowling vs another team's batting!

:))
 
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blackanhyellow said:
Indian batting line up is far better.

An India / Pak contest would be very close. Over a 3 match series it can go 2-1 for either team.

Pakistan has the better bowling, but as always it would be India's bowlers vs Pakistani batsmen, and Pakistan's bowlers vs India's batsmen.
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We have better spinners though.
 
TM Riddle said:
We have better spinners though.
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Any left arm spinners? That is Pakistan's kryptonite historically.

Tbf, Pakistani batsmen would probably prefer playing batting against spin than pace.

Sarfraz and malik become bradmans against spinners.
 
Titan24 said:
Look at what Fakhar did with the LOIS careers of Jadeja and Ashwin
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And?
They were never good in LOIs to begin with esp Ashwin.Its good that Kuldeep and Chahal who are far superior shorter format bowlers have replaced them for good. So Fakhar have my thanks there.
 
TM Riddle said:
I think overall our side is better than theirs. But without a proper series between the two teams we can only guess.
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Best way to judge thingsl ike this have a match where same team bowl to both teams lol 1st over to pakistan 2nd over to India 3rd over to pakistan 4th over to India.. same set of bowlers :) Playing against each other won't tell you much.
 
blackanhyellow said:
Any left arm spinners? That is Pakistan's kryptonite historically.

Tbf, Pakistani batsmen would probably prefer playing batting against spin than pace.

Sarfraz and malik become bradmans against spinners.
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Can't underestimate Kuldeep though.
An exceptionally handy bowler and he's a left arm Chinaman as well.
 
Slim said:
Indian fans are living in the past with havebeens like Raina, Rohit and Dhoni in their squad. Over reliance on Kohli is another factor too.

However, in reality, the overhyping of Indian fans brings so much criticism to their team. Otherwise, i think they are a fairly above average side; right below Pakistan, England, Australia, SA.
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Sorry, say that again?
 
Haha. Everybody is shocked lol. Nobody expected Rohit Sharma to get back in form in a random T20 match. Our batting lineup is full of match winners.
 
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Mr.Q said:
Haha. Everybody is shocked lol. Nobody expected Rohit Sharma to get back in form in a random T20 match. Our batting lineup is full of match winners.
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Rohit, Dhawan, Rahul, Kohli, Dhoni, Raina, Pandya. And add the recent match winner DK to this list. Wow! This is one dangerous LOI batting lineup. But we should take Dhoni out of T20s and start giving chances to Pant or Samson soon.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the world of sport's current tragedies - the 2 most entertaining and best T20I teams, India and Pakistan cannot meet in a series <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/bay0TdwFrs">pic.twitter.com/bay0TdwFrs</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1016010265710727168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the world of sport's current tragedies - the 2 most entertaining and best T20I teams, India and Pakistan cannot meet in a series <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/bay0TdwFrs">pic.twitter.com/bay0TdwFrs</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1016010265710727168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Sad, but true😢

Amir bowling to Rohit
Kuldeep to Fakhar
Shadab to Kohli
Bumrah to Asif😢😢
 
Tyler Durden said:
Rohit, Dhawan, Rahul, Kohli, Dhoni, Raina, Pandya. And add the recent match winner DK to this list. Wow! This is one dangerous LOI batting lineup. But we should take Dhoni out of T20s and start giving chances to Pant or Samson soon.
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Yep. His captaincy and keeping skillls aren’t that important in T20s anyway. We need a wk batsman who can just walk in start hitting sixes straightaway. Pant or Samson should be in the squad at least. But that would mean dropping Karthik from the squad, which would be unfair. I don’t think the management will drop Dhoni from the squad. Maybe they should just tell him to get some ‘rest’. It would have been less complicated if he was still playing Test cricket. His decision to retire from test cricket was a poor one.
 
Tyler Durden said:
Hold your horses! If not for Fakhar today, this Pak would have crumbled in pressure like how they lost 2 wickets in the 1st over. Yes! Fakhar is the only player who's a match-winner in this Pak lineup and all others are passengers. Shoib is gonna retire in few months and I don't see any other senior taking responsibility in his place. The new comers? Talats and Farhans and Haris Sohails in the top 3? well I saw enough of them already and they look like complete club level batsmen trying with no foot movement and terrible technique. No comparision with Indian couterparts!
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Pretty sounds like Kohli to me where it’s euther Kohli or nothing...
 
Indian batting has class where as Pakistani batting is more hit and miss players.There is no comparison India is class of its own .
 
Kohli said:
Pakistan have 2 batsmen in top 5,and we've just 1 in top 10.
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Now u are simply ignoring commom sense.
Kohli did'nt play in nidahas trophy ,he also skipped ind vs sl t20 series,missed a t20 vs south africa ,so he left nearly 10 games and that's why he in't in top rankings.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Now u are simply ignoring commom sense.
Kohli did'nt play in nidahas trophy ,he also skipped ind vs sl t20 series,missed a t20 vs south africa ,so he left nearly 10 games and that's why he in't in top rankings.
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Totally agree with you. But did I say, Babar is ranked 1? Nope. He was 1 when he played his last game. He missed 7 games and now he's on 5th. I didn't count him as 1, rather 5. Imad was 3rd when he last played. He didn't play 13 T20is and now he's went from 3rd to 23rd. Did I count him on 3rd or 23rd. Amir didn't play 3 T20is, he went from 9th to 12th, did I count him as 9th or 12th?

Why should Kohli be given a special treatment? I am not ignoring common sense, rather bias, which both sides of the fans show against the other. If you still feel that I am ignoring common sense, then you can have ur own "sensible" opinion.
 
Kohli said:
Totally agree with you. But did I say, Babar is ranked 1? Nope. He was 1 when he played his last game. He missed 7 games and now he's on 5th. I didn't count him as 1, rather 5. Imad was 3rd when he last played. He didn't play 13 T20is and now he's went from 3rd to 23rd. Did I count him on 3rd or 23rd. Amir didn't play 3 T20is, he went from 9th to 12th, did I count him as 9th or 12th?

Why should Kohli be given a special treatment? I am not ignoring common sense, rather bias, which both sides of the fans show against the other. If you still feel that I am ignoring common sense, then you can have ur own "sensible" opinion.
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*Amir has missed 5 actually including two in this series
 
There are bad opinions, there are ridiculous opinions, there are nonsensical opinions, and then there is considering Pakistan’s batting lineup superior to India’s.

India’s batting blows Pakistan’s batting out of the water. Always has and always will.

There is absolutely no comparison at all, and the win in the final hasn’t changed anything.

I wasn’t able to watch the match because I was traveling, but we continue to rely solely on Fakhar having a good day.

Not a single batsman of ours gets into their lineup, which is packed with class and power all over, as well as a batsman who is leagues above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced.
 
Mamoon said:
There are bad opinions, there are ridiculous opinions, there are nonsensical opinions, and then there is considering Pakistan’s batting lineup superior to India’s.

India’s batting blows Pakistan’s batting out of the water. Always has and always will.

There is absolutely no comparison at all, and the win in the final hasn’t changed anything.

I wasn’t able to watch the match because I was traveling, but we continue to rely solely on Fakhar having a good day.

Not a single batsman of ours gets into their lineup, which is packed with class and power all over, as well as a batsman who is leagues above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced.
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Since World T20 2016


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:shh :shhh :asad2 :rabada
 
Mamoon said:
In spite of playing much stronger opposition, they have superior numbers. Thank you for proving my point.
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India's 21 wins:

SL - 5
Eng - 4
BD - 3
Ire - 2
NZ - 2
SA - 2
ZIM - 2
Aus - 1


Pak's 23 wins:

WI - 9
SL - 3
Aus - 2
NZ - 2
Scot - 2
WorldXI - 2
Zim - 2
Eng - 1




India has their fair share of wins against minnows. Only a fool thinks of their opinion greater than cold hard facts.
 
Syed1 said:
India's 21 wins:

SL - 5
Eng - 4
BD - 3
Ire - 2
NZ - 2
SA - 2
ZIM - 2
Aus - 1


Pak's 23 wins:

WI - 9
SL - 3
Aus - 2
NZ - 2
Scot - 2
WorldXI - 2
Zim - 2
Eng - 1




India has their fair share of wins against minnows. Only a fool thinks of their opinion greater than cold hard facts.
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India have played 6 T20s against England and South Africa, while we have played only 1.

They also faced a stronger Australian team with Warner and others.

They have had some easy matches too, but overall, they have faced better teams. No team has had it as easy as Pakistan in this format over the last two years.
 
Mamoon said:
India have played 6 T20s against England and South Africa, while we have played only 1.

They also faced a stronger Australian team with Warner and others.

They have had some easy matches too, but overall, they have faced better teams. No team has had it as easy as Pakistan in this format over the last two years.
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And since when is SA good in T20s? World XI team was basically a better version of the South African one.
 
Rayyman said:
And since when is SA good in T20s? World XI team was basically a better version of the South African one.
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World XIs usually don’t perform as well as international teams. From a cricketing perspective, it was a meaningless series for them.

Their was hardly any preparation and chemistry between the players and we still managed to lose a game.

South Africa aren’t great in T20s at the moment, and we might beat them, but they are still better than playing Scotland.

Playing 1 match vs England and South Africa is not comparable to playing 6.
 
Rayyman said:
And since when is SA good in T20s? World XI team was basically a better version of the South African one.
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A team assembled out of nowhere with no cohesion is better than SA?LOL.

These World 11s are hardly a team to count..ICC once chose a World 11 to play Australia.The results where so one sided that the idea of annually holding such a series was shelved.
 
Mamoon said:
India have played 6 T20s against England and South Africa, while we have played only 1.

They also faced a stronger Australian team with Warner and others.

They have had some easy matches too, but overall, they have faced better teams. No team has had it as easy as Pakistan in this format over the last two years.
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Pakistan really had two very easy series to be honest, the WI team tour to Pakistan and the World 11 team. Rest were regular teams and Pakistan did well to beat them.
 
Titan24 said:
Look at what Fakhar did with the LOIS careers of Jadeja and Ashwin
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Actually they were awful for a considerable amount of period he actually did us a favor there is no guarantee that he will do same to kulcha is it
 
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