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Darren Sammy - Is he a Batsman or a Bowler?

Could be a passenger in the team but who else is there to captain WI . they are interested in the ipl
Feel sorry for WI Cricket board
 
fireworks11 said:
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Bravo? Roach? They have options.
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Roach for captain seriously too young
Bravo is more interested in the ipl. Bravo can be captain for Odis and t20 but for a test match does he have the patience and coolness I still rememeber him in a sledge fight with flintoff . He gets too carried away to other stuff
 
saajidrox said:
Roach for captain seriously too young
Bravo is more interested in the ipl. Bravo can be captain for Odis and t20 but for a test match does he have the patience and coolness I still rememeber him in a sledge fight with flintoff . He gets too carried away to other stuff
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Roach would be a gamble, but surely is worth a go. Bravo should be the captain in all honesty, at least fot T20 & ODIs. He won't be playing the Tests anyway thanks to the IPL.

Flintoff tore him in that sledge battle!
 
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Bravo for t20 and odi is a good call but it is the gelling that is Important you have a different test captain
And t20 and Odis like Pakistan . Pakistan players are pretty versatile in adapting to their captains cause they change often like seasons but west indies are also getting to the groove of that but I don't think implementing bravo all of a sudden is a good call . Now bravo is the VC. Let him spend some time as VC get along then become the captain . Which i think is the best way
 
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What is the story behind the contract ..why dont they give contracts to the key players ...??

they dont want to bring the player power or what?

If dwayne bravo would have contract ..then he would not have gone to IPL ..during test series ... now he is free to go anywhere
 
The players refused them, so that they would not have to commit themselves fully to the national team.

If not Dwayne, then perhaps rebuild with the younger Bravo, ala South Africa 2003?
 
Well he is a decent utility player, nothing special. Terribly out of form at the moment.

Certainly not captaincy material.
 
He is a very good,genuine and nice person.The most positive aspect of Darren Sammy's captaincy is that he gives 100% every time,he's a very committed player and the West Indies needs to replicate players of Sammy's mentality.

The fist pump when he won the toss vs Pakistan :))

But he is not of captaincy material nor is he good enough.

However,the issues facing West Indies cricket stretch far beyond the captain.You have to put things into context.There are issues such as the diminishing interest in cricket in the West Indies and the incompetency and corruption of the administration.

The decline of the West Indies team has been largely down to those two factors.

Look at Zimbabwe,they were on the decline but now,thanks to reforms to their domestic cricket and administration,they are now on the up.

The ZCB have set up a T20 tournament which attracted the likes of Brian Lara to participate.There were record high attendances for the matches and interest in Zimbabwean cricket has been reinvigorated.

I don't think the will and commitment on the part of the WICB is there,to reform West Indian cricket and to come up with fresh ideas to generate interest among the population there.

Darren Sammy is simply unfortunate to be the man who is heading the ship,so to speak.There are much bigger issues surrounding West Indies cricket if you put things into context.
 
W.I have very few options in terms of captaincy.

Dwayne Bravo could be a long term option. Sammy is just there to provide some stability.
 
I have always struggled in determining what Sammy actually does. He doesn't actually have a discipline I think, just like an average club cricketer... bit of everything!
 
no sammy doesnt deserve the captaincy in my view..... it should be a batsmen or alrounder even bravo might be a better choice if gayle isnt in the pic
 
The curse of AZ strikes again! 1 great catch, 1 great run out and got a wicket.
 
Yes he should. Great human being and took a wicket and brilliant run out. Respect for this man :)
 
at least he knows how to use fielders and bowlers.
Moreover , when he is playing , he is not on vacation.
 
Alot of people have questioned what he brings to the table, personally I think what he could bring for WI is leadership.

I remember in the WC, when WI were playing against England and he brought himself at 1 down when they were chasing and played a pretty decent knock despite the team losing in the end. I thought that was a positive move and showed his will to lead from the front. The gamble didnt pay off, but as a captain you should be prepared to take the risk.

Today, he made great bowling changes, had good field placements, wasn't reluctant to express himself in the field (Bischoo incident) and also it seems that the team responds to him, probably because its an inexperienced side, but that was good to see.
 
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Sammy sucks. Gayle should be reinstated but they'll do that after the Indian whitewash
 
^ yeah 29 off 17 ... if Afridi scores 29 people tell him he's a crap captain
 
Lol I did say he was a decent player. Not brilliant but not nearly as hopeless as some say
 
But yes decent hitting today ... indecent in fact :afridi
 
I recall him being promoted to number 3 in the match against England in the WC to do some pinch hitting.
 
Spiderguy252 said:
I recall him being promoted to number 3 in the match against England in the WC to do some pinch hitting.
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He did a good job I thought. I know a lot of people thought it was a silly decision to make but honestly I get sick and tired of people saying the captains need to be pro-active and think out of the box and then when they do that and it fails they say what was he thinking?

Darren Sammy is doing an even tougher job than Afridi. He is leading a team with hardly any decent players, a lot of greedy and selfish players and mostly guys who are no better than he is. If there is a better candidate for the job then I'd like you guys to name him. Sadly there isn't.

People are criticising his captaincy, but to be fair, with the resources he has, I don't see how anyone could have done a better job.
 
gameovais said:
He did a good job I thought. I know a lot of people thought it was a silly decision to make but honestly I get sick and tired of people saying the captains need to be pro-active and think out of the box and then when they do that and it fails they say what was he thinking?

Darren Sammy is doing an even tougher job than Afridi. He is leading a team with hardly any decent players, a lot of greedy and selfish players and mostly guys who are no better than he is. If there is a better candidate for the job then I'd like you guys to name him. Sadly there isn't.

People are criticising his captaincy, but to be fair, with the resources he has, I don't see how anyone could have done a better job.
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Well said. Ditto with Vettori too.
 
Masterji said:
He is neither, he is more like the eunach of international cricket.
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He's got figures of 8-98 in a test match, so there's evidence that he is probably a very good bowler on a helpful surface, anyone who can take 8 wickets in an innings in a test has got to be decent.

You can fluke 1 or 2 wickets, maybe if you're really lucky a 3rd, but taking 8 in one innings, that's pretty amazing. None of our current bowlers have those kinds of figures, not even Gul.

Point is, he's not as bad as people make out. Is he any worse than the likes of Agarkar and Sami? In my opinion, definately not.
 
gameovais said:
He's got figures of 8-98 in a test match, so there's evidence that he is probably a very good bowler on a helpful surface, anyone who can take 8 wickets in an innings in a test has got to be decent.

You can fluke 1 or 2 wickets, maybe if you're really lucky a 3rd, but taking 8 in one innings, that's pretty amazing. None of our current bowlers have those kinds of figures, not even Gul.

Point is, he's not as bad as people make out. Is he any worse than the likes of Agarkar and Sami? In my opinion, definately not.
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I agree.
 
gameovais said:
He's got figures of 8-98 in a test match, so there's evidence that he is probably a very good bowler on a helpful surface, anyone who can take 8 wickets in an innings in a test has got to be decent.

You can fluke 1 or 2 wickets, maybe if you're really lucky a 3rd, but taking 8 in one innings, that's pretty amazing. None of our current bowlers have those kinds of figures, not even Gul.

Point is, he's not as bad as people make out. Is he any worse than the likes of Agarkar and Sami? In my opinion, definately not.
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Agarkar was the fastest guy to take 50 wkts in ODI. :afridi
 
dhonikachamcha said:
Agarkar was the fastest guy to take 50 wkts in ODI. :afridi
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I liked Agarkar, thought India should've kept him because most of their bowlers are rubbish; much better than Patel, Nehra, Gony, and those other jokers. Similarly Sami as a one-day bowler was good and wicket taking

Point is Sammy isn't the nobody most people have been saying since the WC; while he deffo didn't deserve captaincy and the pressure has shown, before becoming captain he was one of West Indies' most consistent players in 2009 and in 2010.
 
He's a nice guy, tries his best for the team, it's not really his fault the Windies is in the mess they are in (and believe me most of that mess is self-inflicted).

Not really any better options currently. WICB is a real joke, hard to say which one is more unprofessional really, PCB or WICB.
 
Atif said:
He is nobody, cant bat or bowl.
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this.



helpless against good bowling and rubbish against decent batting.



good at the 'A' level bad against any mediocre team in the world.

no idea how hes in the team and west indies supporters want him kicked out too for a long time now.
 
bump.

shambolic decision to bat first, then a totally hopeless shot to get dismissed with his team in dire straits.

West Indies cricket is going nowhere with this guy at the helm.
 
They are in the unfortunate position of having a team that features experienced players who would fail as captains, and slightly younger players that are rubbish and/or not captaincy material. Sammy is a joke but who would you replace him with?
 
well, technically speaking, on a turner you should be batting first so you get to bowl last on the pitch

But cricketing wise, Sammy is a shocker, can't believe hes playing as a 4th bowler in the test side, let alone captaining it
 
Whippy said:
They are in the unfortunate position of having a team that features experienced players who would fail as captains, and slightly younger players that are rubbish and/or not captaincy material. Sammy is a joke but who would you replace him with?
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Fidel Edwards
 
LOL, rather have Edwards when hes available than a fully commited and fit Sammy
 
fireworks11 said:
His shot today was atrocious given the circumstances.
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The only circumstances where that shot would not be atrocious would be 500 for 7 looking for a declaration :))

I like Sammy. In fact in 2009/10 he was performing better and more consistently. But the captaincy really exposed his frailties. He should copy Chigumbura and retire from captaincy
 
1137moiz said:
The only circumstances where that shot would not be atrocious would be 500 for 7 looking for a declaration :))

I like Sammy. In fact in 2009/10 he was performing better and more consistently. But the captaincy really exposed his frailties. He should copy Chigumbura and retire from captaincy
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He won't be in the team if he gives up the captaincy.
 
Probably not in the short term, but if Sammy can replicate his wholehearted performances in 2007-2010 when he was actually doing well (even taking 7 wickets in England :O) he might be able to make it back.

I see him as a less talented but more hardworking cracketer of limited capabilities. He was doing pretty well till he got dumped with the captaincy, a burden too far
 
Quite a shame he had to take the captaincy, he's got too much on his plate atm. Sarwan would have been a better choice.
 
Moiz, this is not the Favorite Posters thread, you don't have to like everybody :sami :sami :P
 
AZ said:
Moiz, this is not the Favorite Posters thread, you don't have to like everybody :sami :sami :P
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:))) To be fair Sammy was (in one-day cracket especially) outperforming Bravo, Pollard, etc albeit in limited opportunities from 2007 to 2009. He completed shot downhill after taking captaincy. He doesn't really look a Test allrounder anyhoo, he drastically needs to drop the captaincy. Even if it means a sit out of the side he does at least have the ability to justify a one-day spot without the added pressure
 
Have to say hes the worst captaincy selection for a team since Kiwis appointed Lee germon in the mid-late 90s!
 
Shocking captain really. He's decent in marshalling the troops but otherwise he cannot bat, or bowl.
 
Having him in side is taking up a spot he doesnt deserve. Also there is no balance in the team with him being there.
 
He'll probably grab a fiver today just to spite the people in this thread :wahab
 
Its because both Chanderpaul and Sarwan have been tried as captains and they didnt work out. So the WICB doesnt want to keep going back to players who have been tried and tested failures as captain
 
farz88 said:
Its because both Chanderpaul and Sarwan have been tried as captains and they didnt work out. So the WICB doesnt want to keep going back to players who have been tried and tested failures as captain
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but what about Bravo??
 
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