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Darren Sammy - Is he a Batsman or a Bowler?

underrated cricketer. He is more than decent with the ball, and quite handy with the bat and a good fielder. What else one needs to be a good captain.
 
I thought it was a joke when they appointed him but he has proved to be worth his spot in the side and is a pretty good captain.

The West Indian side these days is not picked on merit though.
 
What's wrong with Sammy?

Bowling average of 28. Batting average of around 20. Great SR. Great fielder & captain.

WHAT?
 
I like DJG Sammy, he seems like a nice guy and a decent leader of men. Some are haters because they perceive him as "the Board's appointee", I guess.

His Test bowling average is below 30 (lower than Jimmy Anderson, Zahir Khan, Umar Gul, &c.!) and he's produced some snorting magic balls - loved the Dhoni dismissal yesterday in particular - but let's not try to pretend he's an allrounder at ODI or Test level. :) His lower-order hitting can be handy at times.
 
He's my favorite West Indian player, I hope he gets the man of the series award. A Sammy century will be nice to watch. I remember his boom boom batting against England in the World Cup, his sixes were massive.
 
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WalkingWiggett said:
I like DJG Sammy, he seems like a nice guy and a decent leader of men. Some are haters because they perceive him as "the Board's appointee", I guess.

His Test bowling average is below 30 (lower than Jimmy Anderson, Zahir Khan, Umar Gul, &c.!) and he's produced some snorting magic balls - loved the Dhoni dismissal yesterday in particular - but let's not try to pretend he's an allrounder at ODI or Test level. :) His lower-order hitting can be handy at times.
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He is not really an all rounder, he is a bowler. But he is a good Test bowler, as the average shows.
 
Come on, hes been picking up regular wickets for the WI. In the beginning he was new to the captaincy scene, but I think hes carrying his team well now. Very under rated
 
He played well today

I've always been pro-Sammy as a bowler. He has a group of very inexperienced cricketers, which is why he can't get very good results as captain and tends to be defensive

He should work on his batting - he is definitely talented
 
sammy hit hattrick of sixes vs Bhajji.. can play spin really well
 
Looney said:
i was not :inti


but i guess what he did was needed . the tail will not last long so might as well hit around and score quickly .
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Plus if he batted little longer, Indian tailenders like tendu and Dhoni would have learned some batting from him ... so he was smart to get out.
 
kkmix said:
Plus if he batted little longer, Indian tailenders like tendu and Dhoni would have learned some batting from him ... so he was smart to get out.
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:)))


by the way WI have got enough runs on the board to make the match very interesting .
 
You might not rate him highly as a cricketer but you've got to give him a lot of credit for getting the best out of his team. He's taken a young team and made them competitive. Sort of what Misbah is doing.

He seems like a genuinely good guy as well. Easy to root for!
 
Unless you are Mike Brearley, first and foremost you have to earn your place in the team as a player and he doesnt do that. He is barely a ODI player and never in a million yrs is he a test player.
 
Masterji said:
Unless you are Mike Brearley, first and foremost you have to earn your place in the team as a player and he doesnt do that. He is barely a ODI player and never in a million yrs is he a test player.
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Check his performance as a bowler in Test cricket.
 
*raises his hand*

I humbly apologise to Darren Sammy and happily take my words back.

He is one gutsy and dedicated cricketer, HUGE respect for him for the way he has lead the West Indies in India.

They may not have won, but they have given a stiff fight and really done themselves proud.
 
Really like his passion for the game, as he said him self 'batsmen under-estimate me'. Totally agree with you however it's not just batsmen :)
 
Inswinger said:
Check his performance as a bowler in Test cricket.
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Yes i have seen the matches, what bit am i supposed to be impressed with. Just a medium pace bowler who any other era wouldn`t have bowled more than 8 overs an innings for a 1st class team.
 
Masterji said:
Yes i have seen the matches, what bit am i supposed to be impressed with. Just a medium pace bowler who any other era wouldn`t have bowled more than 8 overs an innings for a 1st class team.
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A medium pace bowler who has a tendency to pick up wickets. Has better numbers than the spearheads of some teams.
 
I just had a look at the stats and basically there 4 good performances as a bowler, 2 against Bangadesh(which can be basically discounted) and one each against us and England. He bowls straight but he is poor bowler. He is not a test bowler and never will be.
 
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Average player. Okay bowler but an awful batsmen.

He's marshalled his team well though, but I can't see how he'll remain captain or a player for long.

The only thing going for him is West Indies don't have anyone in the current team they can relay the captaincy to, and that shouldn't be the selection policy of a captain.
 
I really don't get the Sammy hate. He is exactly what the West Indies need right now, a captain who genuinely cares about the West Indies as whole as opposed to his own region of it, and puts the team before his own ego.

Chris Gayle is a great cricketer, and I thought he did an excellent job in Australia, but I think it is indisputable that his number one concern is Chris Gayle. Sammy doesn't come with all that baggage. And, he is bowling well enough to keep his place, anyway.

It's like Pakistan cricket. Shahid Afridi is a very good cricketer, exciting and charismatic. But, you get the feeling it is always about Shahid. I have been very impressed by Misbah, he brings something to the captiancy which Pakistan need.

West Indies are on the right track for the first time in a long time. Two years ago I would have been suggesting they were no better than the associates. But with the current emerging batsmen, stalwarts like Chanderpaul (who is vastly underrated), some exciting pace bowlers, a good spinner and a good leader, I think ina few years they will be nipping at the heels of most Test teams.
 
I think hes doing a good job. Initially, this place was questioned and that was acceptable. But as of late he has been performing with the ball and getting vital breakthrough. Also, his trooping of the young players has been good to watch. I think he is very under-rated.
 
Sammy should not be in the Team even..... Bravo is the all rounder that they need. They also have Russel now who can be a bowling all rounder. Sammy just wastes to spot and causes dis balance in the team.
 
Justcrazy said:
Sammy should not be in the Team even..... Bravo is the all rounder that they need. They also have Russel now who can be a bowling all rounder. Sammy just wastes to spot and causes dis balance in the team.
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Sammy doesn't impress me either! Idk how he became the captain!
 
Sammy has the best bowling average from West Indies, not too long ago he picked 5fer against Pakistan and also made Sehwag, yes Virender Sehwag his bunny. He's an underrated player. He deserves to be the captain
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Sammy has the best bowling average from West Indies, not too long ago he picked 5fer against Pakistan and also made Sehwag, yes Virender Sehwag his bunny. He's an underrated player. He deserves to be the captain
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Bunny might be going a touch too far but Sammy - who has four Test five-wicket hauls so far - did dismiss Sehwag three times (and even gestured this fact on the field! :)) ) in the Ind-WI Test series just gone. Bunny implies cheap dismissals rather than the 30s and 50s Viru did score, IMO.

During the WC2011 and WI-Pak series, Devon Smith certainly became :hafeez's bunny. :))
 
A really rubbish bowler as proved by a dreadful over to 10 and 11. It wasn`t the fact that they got the runs it was just a poor over from a poor bowler. What is he doing bowling in international cricket. Would Paul Collingwood ever become a front line bowler for England?
 
Terrible overrate today, about 5 overs behind, I am still unsure about Sammy the captain is good or bad (since he hasn't done that bad with young side), but as a player, he really needs to improve his batting, since he is not THAT special with the ball. At least not yet!
 
NUMBER 10 and 11 batting he gives ten runs in a over he has no idia about field plasing telendr batting and he set 5 fielder in outsight 30yard circul i cant beilive that he is a international team caption are bhai isko kaptan banane wale ko 5 saal ki saja di jaani chahiye
 
did anyone see how happy he was when he drew the match against India?

absolutely pathetic attitude.
 
TNA said:
did anyone see how happy he was when he drew the match against India?

absolutely pathetic attitude.
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this! his attitude and statements were laughable...u'd think they had won the game! shows how low the windies have sunk
 
How can we forget his celebration (internal lap of honour more like) when he won the toss against Pakistan in that WC game..? LOL. :ajmal
 
Does anyone know what Sammy does? He is like eunach, neither one thing or the other! what a waste of a position.
 
Poor cricketer His odi stats are terrible Mediocre bowler and a glorified tailender The only positive he brings to the table is his captaincy but i cant see him holding the position for long

Sooner or later he will make way just cos he doesnt deserve a position in the team
 
He's a nice chap but a mediocre player and even worse captain.
 
what a joke this guy is....clueless....his captaincy is woeful woeful woeful.....his players efforts go in vain such as Rampauls brilliant knock from No 10 today because of this brainless novice!
 
WI allowed too many easy singles today. Such a shame, especially as Ravi Rampaul had put them in a good position.
 
Reminds me of Malik as a captain. They both are similar kind of players, have similar leadership styles and began leading the team in similar difficult situations.

Sammy has done a fair enough job with a young side. I don't think WI have a better captain available atm. He's a good test match bowler , very underrated in that sense. He should work on his batting though because there are better all rounders in WI who don't normally play because Sammy takes their spot (i.e. Russel)
 
In Tests, Sammy doesn't really need to pretend to be an allrounder. He more than earns his place as a bowler who can bat a bit. He's probably a genuine allrounder in mickey-mouse (T20) cricket.

The balance of WI XI will always struggle a bit without an allrounder like Dwayne Bravo or Chris Gayle. Good to see Marlon bowling again, though.
 
West Indies are at least putting up a fight unlike England just for that Sammy can stay as a captain, WI don't have many other options anyways.
 
At last Sammy produces a performance, but to justify his place he needs to do more often.
 
I don't even understand what Sammy's role is... He just goes out there and smacks a few and doesn't really bowl his full quota either...
 
great innings from Sammy, he is better batsman than his bowling, should concentrate more on his batting.
 
He has done very well to lift this team, They were going no were
frm late 2009 ,Now they have becum a Fighting Unit , giving india
tough time in india is a big acheivement !

only selection process shall b closely watched by sammy

he did a huge mistake by not giving narine a place in first 2 odis
 
Poor, poor player. I'm sorry but it has to be said. Is he a all-rounder, bowler or a batsmen.

He hardly bowls his full quota (probably because the batsmen eyes light up when he comes on)

Batting-wise he'll hit a few boundaries but more often than not flatters to deceive.

His Captaincy had been okay but at times when he had India in trouble (1st and 2nd ODIs) he spread his field so the new batsmen didn't have to take risks and settle in to the innings.

I honestly think he's only there because Windies don't have anyone else better.
 
Bowler who can bat a bit. Has 50+ Test wickets at an average of about 30 and has taken four 5fers. Not earthshattering but definitely decent. ODI bowling record not quite so flash, admittedly.

He's no :holding but he's doing a reasonable job and I love his spirit.
 
He is a beast , do not make the mistake of falling for his stats . He has the ability to turn around the game in his team 's favour
 
ddss said:
How good would they be with Gayle...
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The current WI squad are performing 20 times better than when the primadonna's Gayle, Sarwan etc were part of the squad, the WI selectors have finally got it right, they have picked the players who WANT to represent WI and will give their 100% game in and game out in return. This strategy is already begging to pay dividends and it will continue to take WI cricket forward, no need to look back now and make the detrimental mistake of bringing back Gayle.
 
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Darren Sammy has to be one of the most underrated cricketers in the world today,He smashed 44 of 30- odd balls to give his team the momentum and now he has taken out both Australian openers. However for some reason his spot in the team still gets questioned
 
sammy shouldnt be sacked. he gives his 100% to the team with the bat and the ball. plus he is a more than decent test bowler.
 
he hasnt done that bad recently actually he has never had a humiliating series..

btw where has AZ gone all of a sudden?
 
A.M. said:
[Sammy] hasnt done that bad recently actually he has never had a humiliating series..
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The Sri Lanka tour (his first as skipper) was pretty bad, where he averaged three with bat and 78 with ball. :facepalm: Thankfully we weaseled a 0-0 draw out of that (thank you weather!) and after that the rest, as they say, is history. Sammy's WI is the only team to have beaten Misbah's Pakistan in a Test so far! :)
 
Does Darren Sammy stand in the way of a Good Windies Team?

I have always have had a soft spot for the Windies and having watched them last yr and in the more series recent this yr, there is no doubt in my mind that Sammy stands in the way of a good Windies team. This guy is not an international bowler and he is def not an international batsman. With him in the team, you cannot play 3 fast bowlers together so Edwards, Roach and Rampaul can never take the field together in a test. Those 3 together would be pretty decent but Sammy stands in the way.
My Windies test team if everyone was available:
Gayle
Barath
Edwards
Bravo
Chanderpaul(capt) as a stop gap.
Bravo
Ramdin
Roach
Narine
Rampaul
Edwards.
 
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His seems to have played a significant role in gelling the team though. If he is kicked out, who knows what will happen to West Indies cricket - maybe the infighting will return.

He is also affable, which is reflected in the team's attitude in the field.

Plus his bowling is better than it looks. He caused Pakistan quite a few problems when we last toured and has picked up wickets against Australia too.

His batting is coming along too.

http://www.cricketcountry.com/crick...rattled-Australia-admits-Michael-Clarke/13695
 
I actually think as a player he brings a lot to the table, he picked up crucial wickets. Nearly singlehandedly won them the ODI series with that innings and also played some good knocks in the tests. Who knows the way he was playing in the last test if rain didn't intervene he could have scored another 30-40 runs in quick time and they would have won the test too.
 
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