Dear Kane Williamson, please do something of note in India, Australia and England

[Mobashir]

Has he done enough?
I just can't imagine how many best ever threads we would have here had Kohli played like Williamson did.
He is a top batter.

 

[therealAB]

Well there we go. Kane's struggles in England have been shown to be an aberration to me with how well he batted in the difficult conditions in this test. This is not like Ponting's struggles in India.

His records in India and Australia are a concern however. Looked very troubled by the pace and bounce in his most recent tour to Australia

 

[Officer Barbrady]

Just helped his team with the first test championship. No big deal at all!

Again, there is no reason he couldn’t succeed in England since the conditions are similar to NZ where he is so dominant.

Brilliant cricketer

 

[Saj]

Solid as a rock with the bat in the WTC final.

Helped his team win the WTC final.

Brilliant captaincy during the WTC final.

In England, versus India.

That'll do.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Zealand captain Kane Williamson has reclaimed the Number 1 position in the ICC Men’s Test Rankings for Batsmen after leading his side to the ICC World Test Championship title in Southampton last week <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/GoOdFJrl8K">pic.twitter.com/GoOdFJrl8K</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1410157957044637697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[Aman]

Kane Williamson takes the mace to the Cradle of Cricket.

New Zealand captain Kane Williamson went again to the roots of cricket as he visited the Hambledon Cricket Membership with the ICC Take a look at mace after main his crew to victory within the WTC Remaining over India in Southampton.

The Hambledon Cricket Membership was fashioned in 1765 and was the foremost cricket membership in England earlier than Lord’s turned the house of cricket with the institution of the Marylebone Cricket Membership in 1787.

 

[OMB]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Zealand captain Kane Williamson has reclaimed the Number 1 position in the ICC Men’s Test Rankings for Batsmen after leading his side to the ICC World Test Championship title in Southampton last week <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/GoOdFJrl8K">pic.twitter.com/GoOdFJrl8K</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1410157957044637697?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Absolutely dominated by those 4 nations and Kane has been the best among the lot so yeah he has arrived and will do good in India and Australia

 

[SL_Fan]

Kane Williamson takes the mace to the Cradle of Cricket.

New Zealand captain Kane Williamson went again to the roots of cricket as he visited the Hambledon Cricket Membership with the ICC Take a look at mace after main his crew to victory within the WTC Remaining over India in Southampton.

The Hambledon Cricket Membership was fashioned in 1765 and was the foremost cricket membership in England earlier than Lord’s turned the house of cricket with the institution of the Marylebone Cricket Membership in 1787.

They say nice guys finish last, but they usually finish holding the ICC Test mace at the Hambledon cricket club.

 

[Yk313]

Poor numbers for someone who has arguably the best technique to play the moving ball.

Wonderful knock given he’s been battling an injury in his right elbow. Hopefully he can come good in SAF and IND too.

Doesn’t need to move mountains given NZD do not tour as frequently, but any sizeable score will go a long way.

 

[Bahnz]

Averages in all major countries:-

NZ- 65
<B>India- 35</B>
Aus- 42
<B>Eng- 26</B>
<B>SA- 21</B>
<B>SL- 26</B>
UAE- 64
WI- 51

Lol. KW’s history in these countries explains these records rather easily.

SA: 2 tours of 2 tests, the first of which was when he was just 22. The second tour (in 2016) involved one washed out test, and one test where he made 70ish (and looked good for a hundred until he ran out of partners). That’s 3 tests in total, essentially 1 tour for the likes of Smith/Root/Kohli, the majority of which was played while his career was still in its infancy.

SL: ditto - 1 tour when he was 22, 1 tour barely a month after the emotionally taxing 2019 WC. Do we really think that if KW can average 60+ in the UAE that he has technical problems in spinning conditions?

England: 3 tours (all in May/June conditions when batting is more difficult) - 1 again when he was 22. In the other 2 he averaged 40 - posted similar numbers across the 4 tests to Root - scored a ton at Lords and won his team the WTC.

India: 3 tours - the first 2 when he was 20 and 22 respectively. And in the third he struggled, but it happens especially over such a short series.

Really, all Kw’s record in the highlighted countries indicates is how little NZ plays in these countries, and how hard it is for batsmen to rapidly adjust

 

[krikit]

Averages in all major countries:-

NZ- 65
<B>India- 35</B>
Aus- 42
<B>Eng- 26</B>
<B>SA- 21</B>
<B>SL- 26</B>
UAE- 64
WI- 51

Joe Root in comparison

Root
in Australia 38
in Bangladesh 25
in England 49
in India 50
in New Zealand 39
in South Africa 50
in Sri Lanka 66
in U.A.E. 57
in West Indies 54


Looks like its Williamson who needs to be kicked out of the Fab 4. Root has a fairly well rounded record while Williamson has flopped in every major test country. His Aus record is based on some of the worst FTB'ing in the 2015 series where teams were scoring at over 4rpo.

 

[Varun]

Joe Root in comparison

Root
in Australia 38
in Bangladesh 25
in England 49
in India 50
in New Zealand 39
in South Africa 50
in Sri Lanka 66
in U.A.E. 57
in West Indies 54


Looks like its Williamson who needs to be kicked out of the Fab 4. Root has a fairly well rounded record while Williamson has flopped in every major test country. His Aus record is based on some of the worst FTB'ing in the 2015 series where teams were scoring at over 4rpo.

Keep in mind the Fab 4 term also takes ODIs into account.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Keep in mind the Fab 4 term also takes ODIs into account.

Root is easily a better ODI batsman than Williamson.

Williamson barely keeps a strike rate of 80.

 

[Aman]

Joe Root in comparison

Root
in Australia 38
in Bangladesh 25
in England 49
in India 50
in New Zealand 39
in South Africa 50
in Sri Lanka 66
in U.A.E. 57
in West Indies 54


Looks like its Williamson who needs to be kicked out of the Fab 4. Root has a fairly well rounded record while Williamson has flopped in every major test country. His Aus record is based on some of the worst FTB'ing in the 2015 series where teams were scoring at over 4rpo.

Kane led his team to a world championship. Kohli on the other hand hasn't scored a century in any format in what? 2 years. Choked in another final when his team needed him most as well. Bona fide choke artist.

 

[Aman]

Root is easily a better ODI batsman than Williamson.

Williamson barely keeps a strike rate of 80.

Kane was the the POT for the 2019 WC and carried our batting.

No one would trade Kane for Root's empty calorie runs.

When it matters only Kane and Smith have shown the ability to step up from the fab 4. That's what sets them apart from Kohli and Root who have both frequently fallen short when it matters.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How many 4 or 5 match test match series has Kane Williamson played as compared to other fab 4 batsmen? Kohli for example flopped in one England tour but got a chance again after two years to improve his stats which he did the last time we toured England. I am pretty sure Kane can improve his stats in the countries mentioned in OP if he also gets to play them regularly. He has done well so far and is currently surpassed Kohli in tests at least.

 

[Yk313]

Lol. KW’s history in these countries explains these records rather easily.

SA: 2 tours of 2 tests, the first of which was when he was just 22. The second tour (in 2016) involved one washed out test, and one test where he made 70ish (and looked good for a hundred until he ran out of partners). That’s 3 tests in total, essentially 1 tour for the likes of Smith/Root/Kohli, the majority of which was played while his career was still in its infancy.

SL: ditto - 1 tour when he was 22, 1 tour barely a month after the emotionally taxing 2019 WC. Do we really think that if KW can average 60+ in the UAE that he has technical problems in spinning conditions?

England: 3 tours (all in May/June conditions when batting is more difficult) - 1 again when he was 22. In the other 2 he averaged 40 - posted similar numbers across the 4 tests to Root - scored a ton at Lords and won his team the WTC.

India: 3 tours - the first 2 when he was 20 and 22 respectively. And in the third he struggled, but it happens especially over such a short series.

Really, all Kw’s record in the highlighted countries indicates is how little NZ plays in these countries, and how hard it is for batsmen to rapidly adjust

This is a decent breakdown but he will be challenged more in IND in comparison to the examination in UAE. Still, all else being equal, would expect him to better these overseas records. Especially in SAF, SL and ENG.

 

[KP From India]

Fair enough.
But then why do same people analyze Ravi Ashwin's record outside asia using different methodology?

 

[UzmanBeast]

Kane was the the POT for the 2019 WC and carried our batting.

No one would trade Kane for Root's empty calorie runs.

When it matters only Kane and Smith have shown the ability to step up from the fab 4. That's what sets them apart from Kohli and Root who have both frequently fallen short when it matters.

Kane barely strikes at 80. If all members of the Fab 4 were allowed to take as much time as he does to hit a 50, they'd all have better stats.

Even in the World Cup, he was striking at about 75, and you're calling Joe Root's runs empty calorie?

 

[krikit]

Williamson has shown the ability to play some clutch innings in LOI's in the last couple of years (though flopped in the WC final). He's been pretty good for SRH as well.

But his test record is just too poor at this point to consider him a top batsman. Even his WTC performance can be explained away by using Bahnz's logic that it came against a team that was playing in alien conditions in the shortest 'series' with completely undercooked bowlers. Against the home team, he was outed like a flopping fish.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Damn he brought out a clutch performance in WTC finals to sink India.

Whats frustrating is he should have been caught at leg slip for 0 in the first innings.

And second innings DRS call was a bit luck as he himself attested to it (as in he was counting on Ashwin's spin to take an educated guess.

I dont want to think about WTC finals. The stupidity of Indian team is something else.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Root's easily the superior limited overs batsman to Williamson, it shouldn't really be a debate.

He is a better test batsman too, but the margins are tighter.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Williamson's performance in the final proved his world-class status. If there was any doubt before I know now that he's behind only Smith and Kohli in Tests, and just Kohli in ODIs.

 

[Smbhayi]

Whatever his stats are he had some clutch knocks in important matches...