Dear Pakistanis, what are you prepared to do for Kashmir?

[English August]

Pakistanis like to talk about Kashmir endlessly. They claim that Kashmiris have a moral right to get "independence" from India. Then there are all these stories about the so called oppression by Indian security forces. This begs the question: if the situation is so bad in Kashmir, and if you're so committed to supporting Kashmiris in their so called "struggle for independence", what exactly are you prepared to do? I'm laying out a few options below, but feel free to add to the list. Provide your responses honestly. Remember that the Allah is watching you, so don't make up stuff.

A few options for you to consider:

- I'm prepared to join the armed struggle for independence. I'm willing to go to Indian-Occupied Kashmir and kill the Indian oppressors and rapists. I'm willing to die if it comes to that.

- I'm prepared to join the armed struggle for independence, but I'm too scared of the Indian armed forces. But I'm willing to contribute by making bombs, carrying messages, providing logistical support etc.

- I don't believe in armed struggled, but I'm prepared to show my support by joining protest marches in Srinagar, throwing stones at Indian security personnel and am prepared to face rubber bullets

- I will show my support by joining demonstrations in London, New York, Canada when Modi visits. I'll be happy to throw shoes at him or spoil his fancy suit by throwing ink on it.

- I'm too scared to show my support openly, but will provide logistical support for demonstrators, like making placards, etc.

- I don't have time for doing any of this actively, but I'm prepared to contribute monetarily by sending them a check of $1000 each year

- I don't have cash to offer but I'm prepared to host a Kashmiri kid in my house and take care of them while they're with me

- I'm an internet warrior. I sit here and write reams of stuff supporting the Kashmiri struggle, but not prepared to do much more than that

- I'm an internet warrior, but now that I have been asked to specify how I can help, I just realized that there are more important things in life, so ... bye bye!

- I just realized that I'm a hypocrite, and that my support for Kashmir was just an illusion. I was doing it out of peer pressure.

- And so on

[ Feel free to add more ]

 

[PakLFC]

Fight a decisive war. Aar ya paar, jo jeeta wohi Sikander. It will happen sooner or later even most Indian's I know admit it.

 

[Abdul]

ITT: Internet warriors only.

 

[troodon]

Nobody in right frame of mind will join armed struggle.

Most will be happy to show solidarity with Kashmiris who have taken up guns or who throw stones at army.

Solidarity in the form of Internet messages and social media. You can be anonymous and also voice your opinion.

 

[Pakistanian]

Martin Luther King never resorted to violence so his people could get their rights. Social media is a great tool to spread awareness, nobody thought Natalie Portman would ever boycott Israel for the Palestinian conflict and maybe in the future the kashmir issue would reach the same level of recognition.

 

[www787]

Same questions can be applied to Indians.

Those willing to, will pick up arm, some will donate to the cause, some will raise the issue wherever they can to highlight the atrocities committed by oppressor, some will do nothing and some will discuss it on a forum.

Everyone is different.

What is OP trying to achieve here?

 

[Kashmirilion]

Look at the options OP has given not one option is "peacefully protesting" .Obnoxious thread. Well why don't you tell me what you will do as an indian to keep Kashmir a part of India? And why did you have to bring in Allah is watching? Are you a Muslim?

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

- I don't have time for doing any of this actively, but I'm prepared to contribute monetarily by sending them a check of $1000 each year

How do you not know we don't do this already? I mean I am not too sure how old are you, but some of us actually have professional lives and own businesses so channeling cash is not something unheard off or totally inconceivable.

But then again everyone on the internet is a an unknown commodity and you'd wouldn't actually know who exactly the other person is unless and until you meet them in person.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

What is OP trying to achieve here?

Rile up the majority of the posters on this forum.

 

[Varun]

Are there Pakistani equivalents of me?

People who couldn't care less about Kashmir and are sick and tired of the non-stop attention that is showered on what is 1 state out of 29?

Reveal yourself. I'm sure you're around.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Look at the options OP has given not one option is "peacefully protesting" .Obnoxious thread. Well why don't you tell me what you will do as an indian to keep Kashmir a part of India? And why did you have to bring in Allah is watching? Are you a Muslim?

Ofcourse it is an obnoxious thread because an Indian poster created it. Let me guess, you need a thread created by some Pakistani in the UK talking about how bad it is for Kashmiris ? however you will conveniently ignore the role Pakistan plays by using Kashmiris as pawns, paying them money to pelt stones, sending over terrorists from POK to the IOK which in turn cause nothing but blood shed and chaos for the ppl living there.... One last question I want to ask you: Do you live in the UK ?

 

[Madplayer]

Are there Pakistani equivalents of me?

People who couldn't care less about Kashmir and are sick and tired of the non-stop attention that is showered on what is 1 state out of 29?

Reveal yourself. I'm sure you're around.

Pellets arent blinding your children in India and bullets arent killing kids in Indian streets. Ofcourse you dont care about Kashmir. This is who you are.

 

[Varun]

Pellets arent blinding your children in India and bullets arent killing kids in Indian streets. Ofcourse you dont care about Kashmir. This is who you are.

I hail from Tamil Nadu. Please run a Google Image search to see where that state's at, and its distance from Kashmir.

Yes, I have no reason to care about Kashmir. Nor have I ever demanded you to sook about us down here. It's a fair deal.

 

[Moh@n]

I would love to get educated about a couple of things preferably from Kashmiris in here:

1. If Kashmiris had always wanted to merge with Pakistan then why did Pakistan invade Kashmir in 1947 and illegally occupy PoK?

2. Why are Kashmiris not taking refuge in Pakistan from the atrocities? I mean fleeing is the most sensible reaction to this, like Rohingya Muslims fleeing to India from Myanmar.

3. If the struggle is for independence, what does "Kashmir Banega Pakistan" refer to?

 

[WildSwing]

Pellets arent blinding your children in India and bullets arent killing kids in Indian streets. Ofcourse you dont care about Kashmir. This is who you are.

His children are not running on the street throwing stones at the army either

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do British Pakistanis count? I wasn't going to do anything, but thanks to this thread I just remembered that disgusting story about the Indian army strapping a youth to the front of a military vehicle to avoid being pelted by stones. So I will certainly do my bit to raise awareness of inhumane practices like this by a supposedly civilised country. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[WildSwing]

Do British Pakistanis count? I wasn't going to do anything, but thanks to this thread I just remembered that disgusting story about the Indian army strapping a youth to the front of a military vehicle to avoid being pelted by stones.

Disgusting? I thought it was a brilliant and innovative solution to tackle the problem, clever thinking by the officer in charge there, no one got hurt thanks to this brilliant plan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Disgusting? I thought it was a brilliant and innovative solution to tackle the problem, clever thinking by the officer in charge there, no one got hurt thanks to this brilliant plan.

I was of course talking about western standards, if you live in India it's clear those standards are quite different.

 

[WildSwing]

I was of course talking about western standards, if you live in India it's clear those standards are quite different.

How do you find the acid throwing incidents in UK by "western standards"?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How do you find the acid throwing incidents in UK by "western standards"?

Acid throwing is carried out by sick individuals not state authorities. I assume you can understand the difference.

 

[WildSwing]

Acid throwing is carried out by sick individuals not state authorities. I assume you can understand the difference.

How about the mass genocide committed by western armies authorized by state authorities in the middle east, do you find that acceptable by western standards? Or do you see a difference there too?

 

[Madplayer]

His children are not running on the street throwing stones at the army either

Jallikattu protests turn violent across Tamil Nadu

Violence broke out early on Monday as police sought to remove protesters occupying landmarks in many cities in Tamil Nadu seeking a “permanent solution” to the holding of jallikattu, the annual bull-taming festival.

As a large posse of policemen tried to clear the Marina beach in Chennai ahead of the Republic Day celebrations, the week-long protest that was hitherto apolitical and peaceful took an ugly turn with mobs indulging in stone-throwing and arson.

Police said ‘anti-social elements’ crept into the protests and instigated vulnerable youth to indulge in violence. Even as the State Assembly passed the Bill on jallikattu, some of the protesters were in no mood to disperse.

On the Marina Beach, a few hundred youths holding black flags gathered at the shoreline and threatened to enter the sea if police advanced towards them.

Several police and public vehicles were torched or damaged in Chennai and other cities. Motorcycles parked in front of the Ice House police station here were set on fire by a mob. Since the main entrance was engulfed in flames, about half-a-dozen police personnel were rescued from the rear entry.

A video aired by the News 18 channel, apparently featuring policemen torching vehicles on Radhakrishnan Salai, went viral later in the day.



Police opened fire in the air to disperse protesters at Vadapalani and Valasaravakkam at night. Two fire tenders were torched, one in Vadapalani and another in Vyasarpadi.

Senior police officials met protesters across the State early on Monday and persuaded them to disperse after explaining the steps taken by the State for conducting jallikattu. While most students were convinced and left the venue, some youth refused to budge.

At a special sitting, the Assembly unanimously passed the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (Tamil Nadu Amendment) Bill, 2017. The legislation seeks to amend certain Sections of the Central Act to ensure that bulls are not barred from being used for the rural sport. The Bill is to replace an ordinance.



Vested interests entered the stir, say activists:
Representatives of jallikattu agitators, including actor Raghava Lawrence, film director Gowthaman and Abdul Kalam Vision India Movement mentor V. Ponraj, who were engaged in talks with the police for several hours on Monday, announced that they had urged the students to withdraw the protests. However, ‘vested interests’ had entered the stir and were making unjust demands, they said.

Violence erupted in areas abutting the Marina Beach after police prevented youth of nearby slums from entering the scene. Police fired tear gas shells and used batons to chase away protesters who threw bricks and stones at them. Normal life came to a standstill in Chennai around noon following incidents of arson and road blockade. After TV channels aired visuals of unrest, schools were closed and parents asked to take their children home.

“As the students dispersed, we put up barricades preventing youth instigated by some anti-social elements from entering the Marina Beach. They started attacking the police, blocking traffic and sending alarming messages on social media. Police exercised the utmost restraint,” Chennai Police Commissioner S. George told The Hindu.

Violence was also witnessed at Alanganallur in Madurai where there was disagreement over the village committee’s decision to organise jallikattu and withdraw the protest. Police persuaded protesters in Coimbatore, Erode, Salem, Madurai and Tiruchi to disperse and used mild force where there was resistance.

This should answer your hypocracy and lies. Why aren't Indians blinded by pellets when they turn violent? Why just Kashmiris? There is only one reason, Indians cannot blind their own people.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Indians are not taught the fact that India refused to agree with the Standstill agreement and were setting up forces on borders of Kashmir to invade it. Now they are crying because Pakistan beat them to it. Remember, in Indian schools it is taught that 100% Kashmir is controlled by India - when it is not. The lies are coming home to roost now it seems.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How about the mass genocide committed by western armies authorized by state authorities in the middle east, do you find that acceptable by western standards? Or do you see a difference there too?

How about the US nuking Japan? If we are going to on a tour of whatabout land, might as well go bigger and wider. Start a thread about western nation's cruelty if you feel you have a case to make.

 

[WildSwing]

This should answer your hypocracy and lies. Why aren't Indians blinded by pellets when they turn violent? Why just Kashmiris? There is only one reason, Indians cannot blind their own people.

There is no hypocrisy or lies, there's a big big difference in the two situations you are comparing, one involves the police, the other involves the army, there are many other factor at play as well but even without going into that, even the most basic difference of police and army is enough to explain the different reactions.

 

[Madplayer]

There is no hypocrisy or lies, there's a big big difference in the two situations you are comparing, one involves the police, the other involves the army, there are many other factor at play as well but even without going into that, even the most basic difference of police and army is enough to explain the different reactions.

It is hypocracy any way you look at it. Indians blinding non-Indians and being nice to fellow Indians.

And are you saying JK "police" and the CRPF dont use pellet guns and only Indian army uses it? You need to be more informed on the ground realities.

 

[WildSwing]

It is hypocracy any way you look at it. Indians blinding non-Indians and being nice to fellow Indians.

And are you saying JK "police" and the CRPF dont use pellet guns and only Indian army uses it? You need to be more informed on the ground realities.

Like I said there are many other factors at play here, I didn't go deep into it because you gave an example where police was involved, there's a world of difference in throwing a stone at the army and the police. But that's not the only factor responsible for using pellet guns in kashmir and you know it as well as I do.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

First of all...I am for a merger of especially Kashmir and Chenab valleys with Pakistan.

I know a lot of people in the Kashmir valley and the politics is so dirty within it.

 

[Varun]

First of all...I am for a merger of especially Kashmir and Chenab valleys with Pakistan.

I know a lot of people in the Kashmir valley and the politics is so dirty within it.

What do you think about the Leh, Ladakh region of Kashmir? Do you reckon it has been unnecessarily dragged into this Indo-Pak conflict by virtue of it being in the same state?

Should we (India) carve a separate state out there to 'isolate' the PoK/IoK part of the issue more succinctly?

 

[mankuTimma]

This should answer your hypocracy and lies. Why aren't Indians blinded by pellets when they turn violent? Why just Kashmiris? There is only one reason, Indians cannot blind their own people.

May be you should read news outside Kashmiri propoganda.Indian police killed many protesters in different parts of India.Some recent examples - Ram Rahim protests/Jat violence/Kaveri protests.....I guess you can find even more if you just use Google searxh option in Internet.

 

[Madplayer]

May be you should read news outside Kashmiri propoganda.Indian police killed many protesters in different parts of India.Some recent examples - Ram Rahim protests/Jat violence/Kaveri protests.....I guess you can find even more if you just use Google searxh option in Internet.

Manku ji, keyword = pellets.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

What do you think about the Leh, Ladakh region of Kashmir? Do you reckon it has been unnecessarily dragged into this Indo-Pak conflict by virtue of it being in the same state?

Should we (India) carve a separate state out there to 'isolate' the PoK/IoK part of the issue more succinctly?

To be honest the best way would be for India to agree to a referendum so Pakistan can vacate and thus allowing a referendum.

I can’t see Leh or Jammu City or South Jammu districts joining Pakistan. Not sure about Kargil. Likewise it would be impossible for Gilgit Baltistan, Azad Kashmir, Kashmir valley and Chenab valley to join India.

Referendum best but Kashmir valley and Chenab valleys are the ones who truly don’t want India; I would like them to merge with Pakistan. I think the people would be happy with that.

 

[Abdul]

Are there Pakistani equivalents of me?

People who couldn't care less about Kashmir and are sick and tired of the non-stop attention that is showered on what is 1 state out of 29?

Reveal yourself. I'm sure you're around.

You're not the only one.

 

[English August]

Pakistanis like to talk about Kashmir endlessly. They claim that Kashmiris have a moral right to get "independence" from India. Then there are all these stories about the so called oppression by Indian security forces. This begs the question: if the situation is so bad in Kashmir, and if you're so committed to supporting Kashmiris in their so called "struggle for independence", what exactly are you prepared to do? I'm laying out a few options below, but feel free to add to the list. Provide your responses honestly. Remember that the Allah is watching you, so don't make up stuff.

A few options for you to consider:

- I'm prepared to join the armed struggle for independence. I'm willing to go to Indian-Occupied Kashmir and kill the Indian oppressors and rapists. I'm willing to die if it comes to that.

- I'm prepared to join the armed struggle for independence, but I'm too scared of the Indian armed forces. But I'm willing to contribute by making bombs, carrying messages, providing logistical support etc.

- I don't believe in armed struggled, but I'm prepared to show my support by joining protest marches in Srinagar, throwing stones at Indian security personnel and am prepared to face rubber bullets

- I will show my support by joining demonstrations in London, New York, Canada when Modi visits. I'll be happy to throw shoes at him or spoil his fancy suit by throwing ink on it.

- I'm too scared to show my support openly, but will provide logistical support for demonstrators, like making placards, etc.

- I don't have time for doing any of this actively, but I'm prepared to contribute monetarily by sending them a check of $1000 each year

- I don't have cash to offer but I'm prepared to host a Kashmiri kid in my house and take care of them while they're with me

- I'm an internet warrior. I sit here and write reams of stuff supporting the Kashmiri struggle, but not prepared to do much more than that

- I'm an internet warrior, but now that I have been asked to specify how I can help, I just realized that there are more important things in life, so ... bye bye!

- I just realized that I'm a hypocrite, and that my support for Kashmir was just an illusion. I was doing it out of peer pressure.

- And so on

[ Feel free to add more ]

Bumping up so hopefully more people can respond. A quick reminder:
The list here is not exhaustive, you are welcome to add more as you please (some people are calling me obnoxious even though I have now said three different times now that you can respond with whatever you want to say)

 

[Pakistanian]

What do you think about the Leh, Ladakh region of Kashmir? Do you reckon it has been unnecessarily dragged into this Indo-Pak conflict by virtue of it being in the same state?

Should we (India) carve a separate state out there to 'isolate' the PoK/IoK part of the issue more succinctly?

I think the Muslim parts of Ladakh like Kargil should be part of Gilgit-Baltistan since they're essentially the same people.

 

[Pakistanian]

Are there Pakistani equivalents of me?

People who couldn't care less about Kashmir and are sick and tired of the non-stop attention that is showered on what is 1 state out of 29?

Reveal yourself. I'm sure you're around.

A lot of Pakistanis are indifferent about, the only people who are more passionat about the issue are either from AJK or people in Punjab with Kashmiri roots or people that live on the border close to Jammu, other than them the further you get away from the border then the less people care about it. Most Pakistanis care more about Palestine and Syria then kashmir.

 

[WildSwing]

A lot of Pakistanis are indifferent about, the only people who are more passionat about the issue are either from AJK or people in Punjab with Kashmiri roots or people that live on the border close to Jammu, other than them the further you get away from the border then the less people care about it. Most Pakistanis care more about Palestine and Syria then kashmir.

What is he saying [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]

 

[Syed1]

A lot of Pakistanis are indifferent about, the only people who are more passionat about the issue are either from AJK or people in Punjab with Kashmiri roots or people that live on the border close to Jammu, other than them the further you get away from the border then the less people care about it. Most Pakistanis care more about Palestine and Syria then kashmir.

You have barely spent more than a couple summers in Pakistan, the only thing "Pakistani" about you is that your parents hail from there. Don't act like you are an authority on Pakistan.


I'm from Karachi, born and raised, lived there two decades. It is the furthest point in Pakistan from Kashmir and let me assure we are a hundred times more concerned about the plight of Kashmiris than of people half way across the world.


Don't run mouth when you have zero knowledge.

 

[mankuTimma]

Manku ji, keyword = pellets.

That’s the thing in Kashmir Indian police/military uses pellets but for rest of India they use bullets,it’s so descriminatory...

 

[rhony]

What Pakistanis are prepared to do for Kashmir is irrelevant. Infact, India has cunningly magnified the terrorism aspect of the Kashmir struggle and laid the blame solely on Pakistan. The world has added Kashmir to the list of troubled areas like Palestine, Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq. There is ZERO sympathy for religious armed struggle. Thats exactly why western powers stand with India on this. Any
humanitarian help or solidarity Pakistanis provide to help their Kashmiri brethren will just be like a drop of water in an ocean considering the loudest voices belong to the Indian press. Irrespective of what Kashmiris or Pakistanis think, IOK is considered part of India by the rest of the world. Similarly POK is considered part of Pakistan. IOK is water rich and India will never let go. POK is key for CPEC and Pak will never let go. It will be a stalemate for centuries

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You have barely spent more than a couple summers in Pakistan, the only thing "Pakistani" about you is that your parents hail from there. Don't act like you are an authority on Pakistan.


I'm from Karachi, born and raised, lived there two decades. It is the furthest point in Pakistan from Kashmir and let me assure we are a hundred times more concerned about the plight of Kashmiris than of people half way across the world.


Don't run mouth when you have zero knowledge.

Correct. Some people who live outside of Pakistan might care more about Palestine or Syria as they are covered more abroad, but for Pakistanis Kashmir would be much more relevant. Although I should add, it should have been settled by now and everyone moved on.

 

[Madplayer]

That’s the thing in Kashmir Indian police/military uses pellets but for rest of India they use bullets,it’s so descriminatory...

Stop trolling. You must be a bit deluded to think that bullets are not used for Kashmiris. These diversion tactics are typical of trolls so kindly dont bring down the quality of discussion.

 

[Madplayer]

What is he saying [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]

He is saying that most Pakistanis care more about Palestine and Syria than Kashmir.

 

[English August]

You have barely spent more than a couple summers in Pakistan, the only thing "Pakistani" about you is that your parents hail from there. Don't act like you are an authority on Pakistan.


I'm from Karachi, born and raised, lived there two decades. It is the furthest point in Pakistan from Kashmir and let me assure we are a hundred times more concerned about the plight of Kashmiris than of people half way across the world.

And yet you haven't responded to the OP directly. Instead of beating around the bush, let's hear what you're prepared to do for the "plight of Kashmiris."

 

[Varun]

He is saying that most Pakistanis care more about Palestine and Syria than Kashmir.

Palestine yes, but I haven't seen too many Pakistanis 'care' about Syria in the same sense. It's in the news so there is discussion around it, but that's all.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I quite dont understand Pakistanis.

We are struggling to feed our own 190 million people.

Why drag Kashmir into the same hell as us? (unless of course they want to).

 

[Madplayer]

I quite dont understand Pakistanis.

We are struggling to feed our own 190 million people.

Why drag Kashmir into the same hell as us? (unless of course they want to).

Because Pakistan considers Kashmir as a part of its country which is occupied by India??

 

[mankuTimma]

Stop trolling. You must be a bit deluded to think that bullets are not used for Kashmiris. These diversion tactics are typical of trolls so kindly dont bring down the quality of discussion.

First you stop peddling propaganda.You are saying rules are different for Kashmir and rest of India but I have given recent examples where protesters are killed by Police in various parts of India.

 

[mankuTimma]

Because Pakistan considers Kashmir as a part of its country which is occupied by India??

Who said?is there any referendum done in Pakistan where majority said Kashmir is part of Paksitan? Even Shahid Afridi wants freedom for Kashmir nowhere he said Kashmir is part of Paskitan

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Because Pakistan considers Kashmir as a part of its country which is occupied by India??

Thats fine.

But should I be having another kid if I am struggling to feed 4 ?

 

[Syed1]

Thats fine.

But should I be having another kid if I am struggling to feed 4 ?

You have five kids, one gets kidnapped.... you are like oh well atleast I have four others lets forget about the kidnapped one.

 

[Madplayer]

First you stop peddling propaganda.You are saying rules are different for Kashmir and rest of India.

There are.

 

[Madplayer]

Thats fine.

But should I be having another kid if I am struggling to feed 4 ?

Do you know why India historically wanted to grab Kashmir?
Trust me, the 5th kid can feed itself and then some.

 

[Madplayer]

Who said?is there any referendum done in Pakistan where majority said Kashmir is part of Paksitan? Even Shahid Afridi wants freedom for Kashmir nowhere he said Kashmir is part of Paskitan

I thought its common knowledge.

 

[DRsohail]

Nobody in right frame of mind will join armed struggle.

Most will be happy to show solidarity with Kashmiris who have taken up guns or who throw stones at army.

Solidarity in the form of Internet messages and social media. You can be anonymous and also voice your opinion.

agreed ..consider me in that category.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Do you know why India historically wanted to grab Kashmir?
Trust me, the 5th kid can feed itself and then some.

One day, and that day may come soon..Kashmir will be a small country people would struggle to locate on a map, and they would line up to enter Indian as citizen, but get rejected for refusing to shake hands. You may have freedom, but you will miss out on calling yourself Indians.

 

[Madplayer]

One day, and that day may come soon..Kashmir will be a small country people would struggle to locate on a map, and they would line up to enter Indian as citizen, but get rejected for refusing to shake hands. You may have freedom, but you will miss out on calling yourself Indians.

Promise?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Promise?

If I could promise, I would set you free..and then watch you line up at the Indian Embassy in Srinagar begging for visa only to be denied by the handsome rotund indian officer. Then promise that you won't start a thread here that you were denied your rights.

 

[English August]

I thought its common knowledge.

So common that in a thread explicitly asking the Pakistanis what they're prepared to do for the "atrocities in Kashmir" hardly 4-5 people have bothered to answer the question (that too in a vague way). One poster was honest enough to say that he/she prefers to be an internet warrior. Another said said he'll highlight the jeep incident (not sure how, but at least he's expressed the intent).

Rest of them came to the thread, read it and moved on.

Clearly the "kashmiri struggle" is in very capable hands!

 

[Madplayer]

If I could promise, I would set you free..and then watch you line up at the Indian Embassy in Srinagar begging for visa only to be denied by the handsome rotund indian officer. Then promise that you won't start a thread here that you were denied your rights.

Pretty childish post full of fantasies. At least "handsome" and "Indian officer" being mentioned in the same sentence provided some comic relief.

 

[Madplayer]

So common that in a thread explicitly asking the Pakistanis what they're prepared to do for the "atrocities in Kashmir" hardly 4-5 people have bothered to answer the question (that too in a vague way). One poster was honest enough to say that he/she prefers to be an internet warrior. Another said said he'll highlight the jeep incident (not sure how, but at least he's expressed the intent).

Rest of them came to the thread, read it and moved on.

Clearly the "kashmiri struggle" is in very capable hands!

You cant seriously believe what you are writing here? I will give you the benefit of doubt that you are trying to troll.

Kashmiri struggle is in the hands of Kashmiris themselves. Any other support is welcomed as well though.

 

[Pakistanian]

Thats fine.

But should I be having another kid if I am struggling to feed 4 ?

That's really flawed logic. You'd be able to feed the other 4 kids when the Kashmir issue gets resolved as their would peace and the money spent on the border could be spent on the people, a Free Kashmir would also solve Pakistan's water problem.

 

[Pakistanian]

I quite dont understand Pakistanis.

We are struggling to feed our own 190 million people.

Why drag Kashmir into the same hell as us? (unless of course they want to).

It's actually 220 million now and you don't have to feed the people, Pakistan isn't a socialist country. If you create the right environment then the people can feed themselves.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Pakistanis like to talk about Kashmir endlessly. They claim that Kashmiris have a moral right to get "independence" from India. Then there are all these stories about the so called oppression by Indian security forces. This begs the question: if the situation is so bad in Kashmir, and if you're so committed to supporting Kashmiris in their so called "struggle for independence", what exactly are you prepared to do? I'm laying out a few options below, but feel free to add to the list. Provide your responses honestly. Remember that the Allah is watching you, so don't make up stuff.

A few options for you to consider:

- I'm prepared to join the armed struggle for independence. I'm willing to go to Indian-Occupied Kashmir and kill the Indian oppressors and rapists. I'm willing to die if it comes to that.

- I'm prepared to join the armed struggle for independence, but I'm too scared of the Indian armed forces. But I'm willing to contribute by making bombs, carrying messages, providing logistical support etc.

- I don't believe in armed struggled, but I'm prepared to show my support by joining protest marches in Srinagar, throwing stones at Indian security personnel and am prepared to face rubber bullets

- I will show my support by joining demonstrations in London, New York, Canada when Modi visits. I'll be happy to throw shoes at him or spoil his fancy suit by throwing ink on it.

- I'm too scared to show my support openly, but will provide logistical support for demonstrators, like making placards, etc.

- I don't have time for doing any of this actively, but I'm prepared to contribute monetarily by sending them a check of $1000 each year

- I don't have cash to offer but I'm prepared to host a Kashmiri kid in my house and take care of them while they're with me

- I'm an internet warrior. I sit here and write reams of stuff supporting the Kashmiri struggle, but not prepared to do much more than that

- I'm an internet warrior, but now that I have been asked to specify how I can help, I just realized that there are more important things in life, so ... bye bye!

- I just realized that I'm a hypocrite, and that my support for Kashmir was just an illusion. I was doing it out of peer pressure.

- And so on

[ Feel free to add more ]

Why limit this question to Pakistanis. All of humanity should speak out and take action in their own way against tragedy and injustice.

What are you prepared to do to end the brutal genocide in Kashmir by Indian forces?

 

[English August]

Why limit this question to Pakistanis. All of humanity should speak out and take action in their own way against tragedy and injustice.

What are you prepared to do to end the brutal genocide in Kashmir by Indian forces?

Everyone is welcome to reply. I addressed the question to Pakistanis, because they're the ones who create the most noise about this so called "tragedy and injustice" in Kashmir.

As for me, I do not believe there is any genocide or injustice going on in Kashmir, so there is no question of doing anything about it.

Now, over to you, what's your answer?

[ Still seeing lots of questions on the question I asked. Why Pakistanis only? Why this only? Why that only? But hardly seeing any real responses. This itself shows how seriously Pakistanis take this topic. ]

 

[Third_Umpire]

Everyone is welcome to reply. I addressed the question to Pakistanis, because they're the ones who create the most noise about this so called "tragedy and injustice" in Kashmir.

As for me, I do not believe there is any genocide or injustice going on in Kashmir, so there is no question of doing anything about it.

Now, over to you, what's your answer?

[ Still seeing lots of questions on the question I asked. Why Pakistanis only? Why this only? Why that only? But hardly seeing any real responses. This itself shows how seriously Pakistanis take this topic. ]

The bolded part of your reply makes it unnecessary to respond to you with any degree of seriousness, so you can probably stop pleading at this point.

What is the point of discussing with someone that refuses to acknowledge reality, presumably to uphold some hyper nationalistic, ego driven agenda? The issue of Kashmir is one of human tragedy and only humanists are worth discussing with, not mouthpieces of Zee Tv/India times or whatever the latest propaganda war mongering machine is in vogue that side of the border these days.

 

[HussainRx8]

Thats fine.

But should I be having another kid if I am struggling to feed 4 ?

Lol. Seriously?

 

[mankuTimma]

I thought its common knowledge.

Propoganda is not common knowledge..

 

[mankuTimma]

That's really flawed logic. You'd be able to feed the other 4 kids when the Kashmir issue gets resolved as their would peace and the money spent on the border could be spent on the people, a Free Kashmir would also solve Pakistan's water problem.

So if Kashmir issue doesn’t resolved Paksitan doesn’t care about 220 million people?

 

[Kashmirilion]

Not many paksitanis have bothered to reply because it's an obnoxious thread trolling Kashmiris and Pakistanis. all the options you have given are stupid not even one is sensible. This thread was to either belittle Pakistanis/Kashmiris or bring out the so called extreme "terrorist" mindsets. But you have been proven wrong and we have not fallen for the trap.

As far as kashmir issue most the Pakistanis on this forum are fully supportive towards the inhumane attrocities commited against the kashmiris using logic and constructive criticism without referring to we should do the same to the Indians etc and from the Indian posters all we get is jingoism praising their so called hero armed forces using lethal force , ignoring the mass genocide and ethnic cleansing taking place.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

It's actually 220 million now and you don't have to feed the people, Pakistan isn't a socialist country. If you create the right environment then the people can feed themselves.

Creating the right environment doesnt mean fighting to get hold of Kashmir.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Lol. Seriously?

Clearly you feel otherwise.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

That's really flawed logic. You'd be able to feed the other 4 kids when the Kashmir issue gets resolved as their would peace and the money spent on the border could be spent on the people, a Free Kashmir would also solve Pakistan's water problem.

No whats flawed is the perception that Kashmir issue is holding back Pakistan.

Just excuses.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Pakistanis like to talk about Kashmir endlessly. They claim that Kashmiris have a moral right to get "independence" from India. Then there are all these stories about the so called oppression by Indian security forces. This begs the question: if the situation is so bad in Kashmir, and if you're so committed to supporting Kashmiris in their so called "struggle for independence", what exactly are you prepared to do? I'm laying out a few options below, but feel free to add to the list. Provide your responses honestly. Remember that the Allah is watching you, so don't make up stuff.

A few options for you to consider:

- I'm prepared to join the armed struggle for independence. I'm willing to go to Indian-Occupied Kashmir and kill the Indian oppressors and rapists. I'm willing to die if it comes to that.

- I'm prepared to join the armed struggle for independence, but I'm too scared of the Indian armed forces. But I'm willing to contribute by making bombs, carrying messages, providing logistical support etc.

- I don't believe in armed struggled, but I'm prepared to show my support by joining protest marches in Srinagar, throwing stones at Indian security personnel and am prepared to face rubber bullets

- I will show my support by joining demonstrations in London, New York, Canada when Modi visits. I'll be happy to throw shoes at him or spoil his fancy suit by throwing ink on it.

- I'm too scared to show my support openly, but will provide logistical support for demonstrators, like making placards, etc.

- I don't have time for doing any of this actively, but I'm prepared to contribute monetarily by sending them a check of $1000 each year

- I don't have cash to offer but I'm prepared to host a Kashmiri kid in my house and take care of them while they're with me

- I'm an internet warrior. I sit here and write reams of stuff supporting the Kashmiri struggle, but not prepared to do much more than that

- I'm an internet warrior, but now that I have been asked to specify how I can help, I just realized that there are more important things in life, so ... bye bye!

- I just realized that I'm a hypocrite, and that my support for Kashmir was just an illusion. I was doing it out of peer pressure.

- And so on

[ Feel free to add more ]

I can just pray for them nothing else. It's their issue with their GOI it's not our head ache.

We have our own lots of problems to be dealt with.

 

[English August]

Not many paksitanis have bothered to reply because it's an obnoxious thread trolling Kashmiris and Pakistanis. all the options you have given are stupid not even one is sensible. This thread was to either belittle Pakistanis/Kashmiris or bring out the so called extreme "terrorist" mindsets. But you have been proven wrong and we have not fallen for the trap.

.

Have pointed out multiple times, including in the OP, that if you do not like the options, you can add your own. If you think all those options are "stupid", what's stopping you from adding your "smart" options?

The only trap I see is in your mind.

 

[Sirris]

I am willing to let go of the notion that Kashmir "belongs" to Pakistan.

Hence Kashmir being under Indian administration is fine with me as long as the Kashmiri people are fine with it, enjoy freedom and the Indian government takes off the military personal from the valley just like there is no military presence in other states of India like Kerela and Tamil Nadu.

 

[mankuTimma]

I am willing to let go of the notion that Kashmir "belongs" to Pakistan.

Hence Kashmir being under Indian administration is fine with me as long as the Kashmiri people are fine with it, enjoy freedom and the Indian government takes off the military personal from the valley just like there is no military presence in other states of India like Kerela and Tamil Nadu.

As long as terrorism reduces Indian army will also move from Kashmir.Govt announced removal of AFSPA from Meghalaya and Arunachal Pradesh after terrorism activities reduced considerably.

 

[HussainRx8]

Clearly you feel otherwise.

I'm curious if you're presenting it as a serious argument. If so, it's a very superficial understanding of the issue.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I'm curious if you're presenting it as a serious argument. If so, it's a very superficial understanding of the issue.

Lets fight then for Kashmir.

Oh Wait.

We have been trying for last 60 years and its not done us any good.

Lets keep fighting then.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Lets fight then for Kashmir.

Oh Wait.

We have been trying for last 60 years and its not done us any good.

Lets keep fighting then.

One of my relatives has captured disproportionate area of our ancestral land and has told me that go and capture the land if you can, it is an open field. He knows I am busy with work and won't be travelling to the village as I hardly know anyone there, and neither I have time to file a legal suit. A part of me says that I can earn more money than my share of the land just by concentrating on my work. Friends and advisers suggest the same, that I can be more productive by doing what I am doing and not to waste time with lawyers and courts. But there is this unsatisfying feeling that I am letting a cheat get away and I am being denied justice.