"Did I do something so bad to Pakistan that I was treated this way?" : Saeed Ajmal

[idrizzy]

Saeed Ajmal speaking on TV:

"It the right of every player to be given a farewell as this is really his last chance as he will not get opportunities after that"

"In my view, if there is a cricketer who has played well for Pakistan should be given a handsome amount and a pension also"

"We all know what the PCB has done to me"

"It should not be upto a player to ask for a farewell but its the PCB who should arrange a farewell for the player"

"In my view, it's almost better to not give a farewell but to look after the retired player financially so that he is set for the future"

"Since I have been excluded from the Pakistan team, no one from the PCB has called me or asked me about my well being"

"When I was in the team, I was like a star in the heavens but once I left I am a nobody; did I do something so bad to Pakistan that I was treated this way?"

"If I am invited to attend the 14th September farewell ceremony then I will also go there"

 

[The_Odd_One]

Without him chucking, he's nothing special. Why should he get a farewell?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

He's right about pensions for ex players but the bit below is nonsense.

It the right of every player to be given a farewell

Only Asian players think like this. You never hear Australians or the English for example begging for a proper so called farewell.

 

[Varun]

The media is such a powerful tool in Pakistan cricket, the powers that be might as well make it an honorary member of the selection committee out there.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Do PCB provides pension to former cricketers?
I know BCCI does.

 

[CanadianG00se]

He's right about pensions for ex players but the bit below is nonsense.



Only Asian players think like this. You never hear Australians or the English for example begging for a proper so called farewell.

Its mostly Pakistan thing. Dont think Indian players get farewell match. Apart from Tendulkar's 200th match no other player in recent time have got farewell match. Over the hill Indian players are often dropped and never get selected again and few years down the road they officially retire without any farewell game.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Its mostly Pakistan thing. Dont think Indian players get farewell match. Apart from Tendulkar's 200th match no other player in recent time have got farewell match. Over the hill Indian players are often dropped and never get selected again and few years down the road they officially retire without any farewell game.

IPL takes good care of them so they keep quiet. Also in India they have these state leagues like TNPL, KPL. So I think they have more opportunities to earn from even if they are left unattended.

 

[CanadianG00se]

IPL takes good care of them so they keep quiet. Also in India they have these state leagues like TNPL, KPL. So I think they have more opportunities to earn from even if they are left unattended.

Plus not to mention those fat pension cheques they get from BCCI.

 

[Misia]

when he was a star i bet you he didnt care about pentions or the way plaers were treated, now its a big deal, shame on you for being selfish for not being more involved when the lesser fortunate players needed you voice

 

[DRsohail]

He is right

 

[pakistani pride]

What did he do with all the money? He will always complains about being broke...

 

[Saj]

No players association in Pakistan which means no welfare for players during or after their playing days.

 

[Adil_94]

feeling like the world owes him something.

 

[Bilal7]

What did he do with all the money? He will always complains about being broke...

Opened a cricket academy for disadvantaged kids.

Ajmal's a Pakistani legend and a cricketing great. However, the PCB has mistreated every single one of our heroes after their worth diminished and Ajmal cannot expect to be treated any different. Wish him the best for the future.

 

[PakLFC]

What is this obsession with farewell's? After his action was changed he was no longer the same bowler. That is all there is to it. Most Pak ex players are just looking for conspiracies all the time.

 

[Major]

No players association in Pakistan which means no welfare for players during or after their playing days.

Misbah is in the position to make a players association in pakistan.
Arthur did say once that he was the godfather of pakistan cricket which means he has influence in the pcb still

 

[PakZameen]

He should ask himself, when he was in "heaven" and a star what did he do to make sure players were looked after their retirement?

Did he go to PCB and say here take 10% of my earning and please start a pension fund for me and players like me? Doubt it.

How many of these cricekters pay taxes properly in Pakistan?

Top it all off, he cheated and now he wants to be looked after?

Go ahead Mr. Ajmal, start a players association in Pakistan, that's the only way. Players in NHL, NBA etc have players union which they pay into, thus getting a pension.

Essentially, this guy wants free money after he's done as a cricketer? Pathetic.

 

[squarecut]

Three decades ago, when there was no money in Indian cricket, retiring players got to organise their benefit matches. These were exhibition matches and all the ticket earning of these matches were given (tax free) to the retiring player. This benefit game thing no longer happens as it is no longer required.

 

[shah_1]

Wasn't he offered a farewell match by PCB last year but refused ?

 

[Gilly]

If a player decides to retire on his own terms before being dropped from the squad he can have a farewell match but if he hangs around until dropped then he misses the opportunity.

 

[The Googly]

Our players are not very good at gracefully exiting the scene are they?

Saying that, the PCB need to have a players pension scheme and give every player who has played over 50 games a benefit match.

 

[shane]

I never understood why Asian players are such prima donnas as to expect a "farewell". If he wants to make money, perhaps he should sign up for one of the domestic T20 leagues. If he cannot get into them then perhaps that sums up the quality of his bowling post-chucking.

It is unfortunate when players who have served their country so well - and he definitely has - start prattling on about how entitled they are as a result.

 

[Reddy]

The pension thing is spot on, every Indian cricketer receives a pension apart from the one time Lumpsum amount which varies from 25 lakhs to 1.5 crores INR based on the number of matches played.

Even the Indian Women players were given their due starting this year when all the retired players were given one time big amount and the monthly pension just like Men's cricket.

 

[Ahmad Shah]

sorry to say but fans r ungrateful
he was our super star and he won matches for us single handedly
he was the one who use to save our safe when we were at our lowest point post 2010 fixing scandal
he was our match winner

os to ye magician tha
os waqt ye hero tha

now he is struggling u guys not only forget his contribution but also insulting him
he is the best spinner we ever had he was far superior than saqlain

he played for five years was ICC sleeping for half a decade and suddenly realized he was chucking??
when he was bowling legal he was not interrupted by anyone
so all his wickets are legal.

seriously thats pathetic

please show some respect
he is not asking for a comeback in team
a good farewell and honoring him with respect is something he deserve
bcci even honored zaheer khan though he was no legend

why cant we set a good example and provide him a honorable exit

 

[Mueez]

Its mostly Pakistan thing. Dont think Indian players get farewell match. Apart from Tendulkar's 200th match no other player in recent time have got farewell match. Over the hill Indian players are often dropped and never get selected again and few years down the road they officially retire without any farewell game.

Misbah and Younis have gotten a farewell match recently

 

[Saj]

Saeed's had his time, he needs to get over it.

He seems to be trying to cling on to something that isn't there.

 

[kingusama92]

His whining makes the least sense.

You were blessed the ICC failed to administer strong standards on chucking or there was no career to be had. Essentially, Ajmal made money and earned acclaim he wasn't supposed to.

To whinge after that is downright lame and shows he doesn't appreciate how blessed he was.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Wasn't he offered a farewell match by PCB last year but refused ?

i don't think it was a formal offer but yes Sethi did tweet about it.

Veteran Pakistan spinner Saeed Ajmal has hit back at the Pakistan Cricket Board's apparent offer a "fitting send-off", saying he has no intention of walking away from the game.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.cr...shahid-afridi-najam-sethi/2016-09-20?mode=amp

 

[Zaz]

This moaning in the press and sense of entitlement in general makes me sick

Saeed from being a much loved character on here is sadly lowering his standing with the fans day by day with this continual whining

He needs to accept the situation and stop making a fool of himself

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He should ask himself, when he was in "heaven" and a star what did he do to make sure players were looked after their retirement?

Did he go to PCB and say here take 10% of my earning and please start a pension fund for me and players like me? Doubt it.

How many of these cricekters pay taxes properly in Pakistan?

Top it all off, he cheated and now he wants to be looked after?

Go ahead Mr. Ajmal, start a players association in Pakistan, that's the only way. Players in NHL, NBA etc have players union which they pay into, thus getting a pension.

Essentially, this guy wants free money after he's done as a cricketer? Pathetic.

There's a saying "You don't know what you've got till it's gone". You can't know how someone is unless you have walked a mile in his shoes. He didn't know the future, just like no one does. He didn't know what other retired players were going through. Now that he is in that position, he knows about it. Similarly in hindsight, we can make a lot of solutions but in the present you simply don't know what is going to happen. I agree with pension part.

Although I don't agree with farewell matches. You can simply announce before the Last series or last test that you are going to be retiring like MisYou did, like Kallis and Sanga did, etc.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

he is the best spinner we ever had he was far superior than saqlain

Hahaha What a Joke ) ) Clearly you've never seen Saqlain bowl my friend !!

 

[Leo23]

Hahaha What a Joke ) ) Clearly you've never seen Saqlain bowl my friend !!

i don't think you can compare them

saqlain had the luxury of bowling with wasim,waqar,akhtar,razzaq etc. he took a lot of cheap wickets due to them.

ajmal had to single handedly carry pakistan's bowling during our dark years when amir and asif were banned and we were struggling to produce quality bowlers

at that time without ajmal our bowling attack was minnow level. i don't think saqlain would have been able to carry the team. as soon as wasim and waqar left saqlain was finished himself at the age of 27-28 which is very very young for a spinner

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

i don't think you can compare them

saqlain had the luxury of bowling with wasim,waqar,akhtar,razzaq etc. he took a lot of cheap wickets due to them.

ajmal had to single handedly carry pakistan's bowling during our dark years when amir and asif were banned and we were struggling to produce quality bowlers

at that time without ajmal our bowling attack was minnow level. i don't think saqlain would have been able to carry the team. as soon as wasim and waqar left saqlain was finished himself at the age of 27-28 which is very very young for a spinner

In ODIs which were the main format in which both Saqlain and Ajmal bowled most often and had the best success Saqlain took 288 wickets at an average of 21.78 while Ajmal took at an average of 22.72

Saqlain has 6 five-fers and 11 four-fers while Ajmal had 2 five-fers and 6 four-fers. In an era where people can't play spin to save their lives Ajmal was at best a good bowler while having the advantage of chucking to his heart's content. On the other hand Saqlain bowled in an era where spin playing, especially for Sub continent sides was a breeze and yet has a better average and SR than Ajmal.

Another interesting fact is that out of the total dismissals for Ajmal 38% of those are left handers which for an off spinner is easier to dismiss than a right hander while for Saqlain it was only 27% Which meains that 73% of Saqlain's dismissals were right handers as compared to Ajmal's 62% only.

Bowling with Akhtar / Wasim / Waqar was not a luxury rather a statistical handicap since most top orders were blown away by them until when and when Saqlain came onto bowl yet even so in the 288 dismissals that he has ammased 159 of them as batsmen who were came at 1-6 (Top + Middle Order) That's a solid 55% of dismissals being proper batsmen.

Saqlain Total career span was 9 years from 1995 - 2003/2004 while Ajmal's was 7 years in comparison and even with a greater sample Saqlain smashes him in every statistical aspect imaginable ~ Saqlain was the better bowler no matter how you look at it and I am not even getting into the chucking part yet.

Add to all the above MOM comparisons, Fastest wickets to 50,100,150 and 200 records; Saqlain leaves Ajmal in the dust.......Anyone who's seen both these bowlers in their pomp (which I was lucky enough to witness) will always and I mean always put Saqlain as the superior bowler ~ This is not even a debate !

 

[CanadianG00se]

Misbah and Younis have gotten a farewell match recently

oh i forgot to clarify that i meant recent Indian player(farewell match).

 

[Leo23]

In ODIs which were the main format in which both Saqlain and Ajmal bowled most often and had the best success Saqlain took 288 wickets at an average of 21.78 while Ajmal took at an average of 22.72

Saqlain has 6 five-fers and 11 four-fers while Ajmal had 2 five-fers and 6 four-fers. In an era where people can't play spin to save their lives Ajmal was at best a good bowler while having the advantage of chucking to his heart's content. On the other hand Saqlain bowled in an era where spin playing, especially for Sub continent sides was a breeze and yet has a better average and SR than Ajmal.

Another interesting fact is that out of the total dismissals for Ajmal 38% of those are left handers which for an off spinner is easier to dismiss than a right hander while for Saqlain it was only 27% Which meains that 73% of Saqlain's dismissals were right handers as compared to Ajmal's 62% only.

Bowling with Akhtar / Wasim / Waqar was not a luxury rather a statistical handicap since most top orders were blown away by them until when and when Saqlain came onto bowl yet even so in the 288 dismissals that he has ammased 159 of them as batsmen who were came at 1-6 (Top + Middle Order) That's a solid 55% of dismissals being proper batsmen.

Saqlain Total career span was 9 years from 1995 - 2003/2004 while Ajmal's was 7 years in comparison and even with a greater sample Saqlain smashes him in every statistical aspect imaginable ~ Saqlain was the better bowler no matter how you look at it and I am not even getting into the chucking part yet.

Add to all the above MOM comparisons, Fastest wickets to 50,100,150 and 200 records; Saqlain leaves Ajmal in the dust.......Anyone who's seen both these bowlers in their pomp (which I was lucky enough to witness) will always and I mean always put Saqlain as the superior bowler ~ This is not even a debate !

saqlain had the luxury of having legendary bowlers on his side which meant that when he came onto bowl the batting side were already under pressure and had lost wickets at the top of the order

on the other hand our pacers during ajmal's era would usually waste the new ball and when ajmal would come into the attack the batting unit would often be cruising but he would change the course of the match

there is no doubt that ajmal's role was far more difficult than saqlain's and it's not debatable

saqlain was a support bowler who didn't have to carry the attack

ajmal was literally the attack at one point and he was carrying the team on his shoulders

ajmal >> saqlain

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

saqlain had the luxury of having legendary bowlers on his side which meant that when he came onto bowl the batting side were already under pressure and had lost wickets at the top of the order

on the other hand our pacers during ajmal's era would usually waste the new ball and when ajmal would come into the attack the batting unit would often be cruising but he would change the course of the match

there is no doubt that ajmal's role was far more difficult than saqlain's and it's not debatable

saqlain was a support bowler who didn't have to carry the attack

ajmal was literally the attack at one point and he was carrying the team on his shoulders

ajmal >> saqlain

And yet in numbers I have proved otherwise, which clearly, by your response, seems that you did not read my post at all. I said that Saqlain had 55% of his dismissals in from 1-6 that's (Top + Middle order) and for a guy who featured with Wasim / Waqar / Akhtar that is a statistical Handicap rather than a favorable numerical feature and to have majority of his wickets in the top order it literally makes your point null and void.

Read the post again brother and you'll understand what I am trying to say, It's like comparing Skakib with Imran/Sobers/Botham and Hadlee based on what he does for Bangladesh ~ utterly pointless and waste of time.

I have backed my claims by objective statistics which are publicly available, can you do the same rather than giving subjective opinions on the matter ?

 

[maxamax]

First, Umar Akmal being fat from water. Then Kamran Akmal assuming his word-class performances, now this. Pakistani players are surely from parallel universe.

He was a great bowler, but well past his date post-ban. Whats the fuss now?

saqlain had the luxury of having legendary bowlers on his side which meant that when he came onto bowl the batting side were already under pressure and had lost wickets at the top of the order

on the other hand our pacers during ajmal's era would usually waste the new ball and when ajmal would come into the attack the batting unit would often be cruising but he would change the course of the match

there is no doubt that ajmal's role was far more difficult than saqlain's and it's not debatable

saqlain was a support bowler who didn't have to carry the attack

ajmal was literally the attack at one point and he was carrying the team on his shoulders

ajmal >> saqlain

You seriously have not seen Saqlain bowling, have you? He used to take wickets where Wasim and Waqar used to fail. Go and check the scorecard of 99WC Final. In whole mess, he and wasim were the only ones to pick up a wicket. I am not even going to the hatrick part. Saqlain was clearly ahead of Murli and Warne in late 90s, another special player who was dumped by PCB due to lack of patience.

 

[Suleiman]

You humiliated us. You lied that you couldn't straighten your arm due to a childhood car accident and then a week later to save your spot you were able to straighten it when training with Saqi and in the subsequent Bangladesh series.

 

[Suleiman]

First, Umar Akmal being fat from water. Then Kamran Akmal assuming his word-class performances, now this. Pakistani players are surely from parallel universe.

He was a great bowler, but well past his date post-ban. Whats the fuss now?



You seriously have not seen Saqlain bowling, have you? He used to take wickets where Wasim and Waqar used to fail. Go and check the scorecard of 99WC Final. In whole mess, he and wasim were the only ones to pick up a wicket. I am not even going to the hatrick part. Saqlain was clearly ahead of Murli and Warne in late 90s, another special player who was dumped by PCB due to lack of patience.

Agree with your whole paragraph bar last sentence. He was figured out and thus got dropped. He became over-relaint on his doosra and it became gimmicky.

 

[waleed88]

Gotta feel sorry for Saeed Ajmal, the guy singlehandedly won us matches from 2011-14, until he was called out. I didn't see any of those matches taken back from Pakistan as victories, those victories are still intact, specially the infamous whitewash of England at home that we all like to brag about.

Imagine what would've have if we didn't have this guy, or the chucking rules weren't as strict as they are now.. I can only shudder to think the rankings of our cricket team.

Give the man the respect he deserves instead of turning a blind eye to him. We should do this to fixers and criminals who cheat their way while playing for country. But if Pakistan was respectable in an era then he was the reason we were in that position.

I know he doesn't come off as the most educated, but most of these players are not, and we all know none of them are media-savvy. We can see alot of greats and how they become post retirement. But he does have sentiments that he cannot express in proper words. He needs to be handled better so that he doesn't have a grudge. The man served the country with aplomb afterall

 

[IAJ]

Misbah is in the position to make a players association in pakistan.
Arthur did say once that he was the godfather of pakistan cricket which means he has influence in the pcb still

Misbah? Please leave him alone now. He was a tremendous servant of Pakistan on the field, but he was a yes man, has nothing to say in PCB. Don't make him something he isn't.

 

[maxamax]

Agree with your whole paragraph bar last sentence. He was figured out and thus got dropped. He became over-relaint on his doosra and it became gimmicky.

He has always been over-using doosra. Its just that he's not able to bowl it effectively with the modified action hence gone useless.

 

[Suleiman]

He has always been over-using doosra. Its just that he's not able to bowl it effectively with the modified action hence gone useless.

I was talking about Saqlain.

 

[maxamax]

I was talking about Saqlain.

oh, sorry. Yes he did. But he could have come back after an year or two. He wasn't as bad as he seemed during his bad patch. But PCB's lack of patience + Sehwag's 300 did him. Both Murli and Warne had similar kind of bad patches in their careers.