Did Pakistan make the right decision by dropping Imam-ul-Haq and Fakhar Zaman from the Pakistan white-ball squad for the 2024 Australia tour?

[TheSultan]

Of course Fakhar is an idiotic non selection. It constitutes self harm.

Imam on the other hand, I don’t even know why he is being discussed. Has everyone forgotten his pathetic game against the short ball on the slow flat tracks of India in the last World Cup. Imagine what will happen to him on these Aussie tracks. Lamb to the slaughter.

Every time we lose, we develop amnesia and think about bringing back a TTF.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Imam-ul-Haq has no place in the Pakistan team in any format

Our Limited Overs Team is incomplete without Fakhar Zaman.. dropping him was a mistake..

Imam has an average of 48+ in ODIs he desrves his chance to play this format. Do u think Abdullah and Saim are better than him in ODIs?

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Fakhar should be opening in all 3 formats without question.

Imam s issue has been his strike rate which is why he was left out in the first place.

He needs to add some scoops , reverse sweeps , ramp etc to create other scoring opportunities and keep the board ticking rather than playing dots.

Saim and ABD are both good players but they might need a break to recharge and get that focus back on their game.

Saim should be given the licence to play with freedom like JFM whether he comes off or not.

I like the look of a Saim - Fakhar opening duo.

 

[Rana]

Imam s issue has been his strike rate which is why he was left out in the first place.

He needs to add some scoops , reverse sweeps , ramp etc to create other scoring opportunities and keep the board ticking rather than playing dots.

He is too fat to add these shots in his arsenal.

He’s a useless prospect. Move on.

 

[Aami]

Choosing between imam & Ayub is like choosing between vomit & diarrhoea.

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You can have both, at the same time, depending on what you've been upto the night before...

 

[usman.sandhu]

Imam has an average of 48+ in ODIs he desrves his chance to play this format. Do u think Abdullah and Saim are better than him in ODIs?

Imam has been given more than enough chances to prove himself, and has failed every time...

Everybody knows how weak his technique is, especially against the short ball...

And yes I do believe that Saim and Abdullah are better than him.. they may not be as good as we want them to be, but they have a much better chance of becoming decent batsmen in the long run than Imam has...

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

He is too fat to add these shots in his arsenal.

He’s a useless prospect. Move on.

A player that averages almost 50 in the ODI format with 9 centuries in 70 odd games can not be quantified as useless.

That is absurd.

At 28 years old as a batter he has plenty of growth in him providing he puts the hard yards.

Most batters don't peak till 30 - 32.

Every serious Pakistan supporter wants to see the best X1 possible on the park whoever it is at that given time representing the country.

 

[Rana]

A player that averages almost 50 in the ODI format with 9 centuries in 70 odd games can not be quantified as useless.

That is absurd.

At 28 years old as a batter he has plenty of growth in him providing he puts the hard yards.

Most batters don't peak till 30 - 32.

Every serious Pakistan supporter wants to see the best X1 possible on the park whoever it is at that given time representing the country.

He can average 60 for all I care.

He plays as an opener, and the demands to open in modern white ball cricket are not being met by him. He doesn’t have the shots, the heart to take this game on having played so much cricket. He can’t play freely on flat decks, he won’t do it when there are challenging ones or quality bowlers.

There is nothing to gain from him. You are much better off investing in younger prospects who may well give you what you are looking for.

This goes for all other crap white ball players too across the two formats.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

He can average 60 for all I care.

He plays as an opener, and the demands to open in modern white ball cricket are not being met by him. He doesn’t have the shots, the heart to take this game on having played so much cricket. He can’t play freely on flat decks, he won’t do it when there are challenging ones or quality bowlers.

There is nothing to gain from him. You are much better off investing in younger prospects who may well give you what you are looking for.

This goes for all other crap white ball players too across the two formats.

When young prospects like Saim and ABD come the same fans want to bin them and get a replacement after a few low scores.

People are fickle and impatient.

You cant have your cake and eat it.

Imam is a solid option if the selectors want to go down that route.

4 of his ODI centuries have come against the likes of Aus , eng and Rsa so hardly mickey mouse attacks

Personally I don't oppose any of Saim , ABD or Imam as they are all good players in their own right with different characteristics.

It all comes down to the requirement of the team for that particular series or tour.

 

[mominsaigol]

When young prospects like Saim and ABD come the same fans want to bin them and get a replacement after a few low scores.

People are fickle and impatient.

You cant have your cake and eat it.

Imam is a solid option if the selectors want to go down that route.

4 of his ODI centuries have come against the likes of Aus , eng and Rsa so hardly mickey mouse attacks

Personally I don't oppose any of Saim , ABD or Imam as they are all good players in their own right with different characteristics.

It all comes down to the requirement of the team for that particular series or tour.

The aus centuries were C string aus from 2019 tour played on batting paradise pindi roads.

The very sane roads would be used later to achieve a draw. Imam and Abdullah went not out ON A 5TH DAY TEST PITCH in that series.

I remember these 2 series and everyone including the pak media itself called it a joke and ramiz raja was clowned on.

Those centuries from Imam don't count. I guarantee you anyone can score centuries against any opposition on said pitch

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

The aus centuries were C string aus from 2019 tour played on batting paradise pindi roads.

The very sane roads would be used later to achieve a draw. Imam and Abdullah went not out ON A 5TH DAY TEST PITCH in that series.

I remember these 2 series and everyone including the pak media itself called it a joke and ramiz raja was clowned on.

Those centuries from Imam don't count. I guarantee you anyone can score centuries against any opposition on said pitch

Imam has scored against the likes of Steyn, Rabada, Shamsi, Cummings , Starc etc so because you might not like him personally and you have an issue with him it doesn't deny his performances.

Whatever the pitches or whoever the opposition are the players job is to perform and deliver on the pitch and he did.

His issue is his strike rate and if he s worked on it and can deliver for the country he should play.

End off.

This is not about personal likes and dislikes unless you own your own team.

As I said previously whether its Imam , Saim , ABD or whoever if they perform according to what the management require then they should play same as any other player.

Fakhar should be a 3 format starter no question.

The board was Butt hurt that he expressed his opinion in favour of a colleague and denied him his Central Contract.

Dumb move.

 

[mominsaigol]

Imam has scored against the likes of Steyn, Rabada, Shamsi, Cummings , Starc etc so because you might not like him personally and you have an issue with him it doesn't deny his performances.

Whatever the pitches or whoever the opposition are the players job is to perform and deliver on the pitch and he did.

His issue is his strike rate and if he s worked on it and can deliver for the country he should play.

End off.

This is not about personal likes and dislikes unless you own your own team.

As I said previously whether its Imam , Saim , ABD or whoever if they perform according to what the management require then they should play same as any other player.

Fakhar should be a 3 format starter no question.

The board was Butt hurt that he expressed his opinion in favour of a colleague and denied him his Central Contract.

Dumb move.

How can I have an issue with him if I made a thread about them asking for them to return .

And you're commenting on that very thread.

You guys really need to learn to focus on the words and not try to assume what the other person is thinking.

 

[emranabbas]

imam is way too slow as an opener he would be a good test bat though

the only other options we have are sharjeel and asif ali everyone else too slow

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Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
Asif Ali	2018-2018	1	1	1	50	50*	-	22	227.27	0	1	0	5	3
Shoaib Malik	2015-2015	1	1	0	112	112	112.00	76	147.36	1	0	0	12	2
Sharjeel Khan	2016-2017	14	14	0	618	152	44.14	474	130.37	1	5	1	81	22
Abid Ali	2019-2020	6	6	0	234	112	39.00	250	93.60	1	1	1	29	0
Fakhar Zaman	2017-2023	82	81	6	3492	210*	46.56	3737	93.44	11	16	6	391	74
Kamran Akmal	2017-2017	3	3	0	68	47	22.66	76	89.47	0	0	1	7	3
Babar Azam	2015-2024	102	101	12	5251	158	59.00	5913	88.80	19	27	4	479	54
Abdullah Shafique	2022-2024	11	11	0	402	113	36.54	460	87.39	1	4	1	40	11
Mohammad Hafeez	2014-2018	32	32	1	1250	103	40.32	1504	83.11	2	9	3	118	31
Imam-ul-Haq	2017-2023	72	71	6	3138	151	48.27	3801	82.55	9	20	3	253	30

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

How can I have an issue with him if I made a thread about them asking for them to return .

And you're commenting on that very thread.

You guys really need to learn to focus on the words and not try to assume what the other person is thinking.

You made a thread asking if dropping Imam and Fakhar was the right decision.

Different from saying : Do you think Fakhar and Imam should return.

You've forgotten the title of your own thread.

Besides nothing you've said endorses wanting Imam s return in fact it was the opposite.

That's not assuming that's factual based on your responses.

 

[mominsaigol]

You made a thread asking if dropping Imam and Fakhar was the right decision.

Different from saying : Do you think Fakhar and Imam should return.

You've forgotten the title of your own thread.

Besides nothing you've said endorses wanting Imam s return in fact it was the opposite.

That's not assuming that's factual based on your responses.

Okay sherlock.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Fakhar should never have been dropped. I'd go with Fakhar and Saud/Kamran for opening or whoever is performing in domestic LA competition as opener.
Imam if anything has punched above his weight throughout his career (he's not really talented enough) but neither of Abdullah or Saim have grabbed their opportunities.
If Abdullah continues to throw away his wicket like he does, drop him. Saim, I don't think is ready for international cricket. He seems confused like Imran Nazir was for majority of his international career.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He and JFM have been dissapointments. Magar chalo we'll see. I want these boys to set the world on fire.

JFM the aussie hitman and Saim Ayub the 3rd great left handed batter for Pak after saeed Anwar and fakhar zaman but it has not happened as of yet.

Told you Saim Ayub needs to be backed. Generational talent for Pakistan. This could be that breakthrough knock he needs.

JFM is explosive but his allround game is very weak.

 

[mominsaigol]

Told you Saim Ayub needs to be backed. Generational talent for Pakistan. This could be that breakthrough knock he needs.

JFM is explosive but his allround game is very weak.

Love your analysis bro. Spot on as always

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Love your analysis bro. Spot on as always

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Bro saim is surely one hell of a talent needs to backed in all formats and abdullah looks like has that class to excell.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro saim is surely one hell of a talent needs to backed in all formats and abdullah looks like has that class to excell.

Disagree with Abdullah, agree on saim

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Disagree with Abdullah, agree on saim

What your take on abdullah bro he played proper cricket shots today?

 

[mominsaigol]

What your take on abdullah bro he played proper cricket shots today?

He's a mental midget. No different from Imam, infact Imam is better.

If you want a guy to chase low scores then go for it.

As soon as 250 to 280 is on the scorecard or he has to bat first. He'll fall ASAP.

Fakhar and saim should be openers

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

He's a mental midget. No different from Imam, infact Imam is better.

If you want a guy to chase low scores then go for it.

As soon as 250 to 280 is on the scorecard or he has to bat first. He'll fall ASAP.

Fakhar and saim should be openers

Ya fair enough bro great points as always spot on

 

[shehz]

Both openers, particularly Saim, demonstrated that even after a slow start, they can accelerate and dismantle the bowling attack. Saim has an extra gear, while Imam tends to focus on building his stats without posing much of a threat. He just doesn't cut it for modern ODI cricket. Imam is more like Wajahatul wasti, Imran farhat basically a typical 90s player. They were not match winners.

There’s no shame in losing with young, talented players rather than relying on tried-and-tested options that have repeatedly fallen short when it mattered the most. Fakhar, not sure why he isn't favoured anymore. He is an attacking experienced batsman.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Choosing between imam & Ayub is like choosing between vomit & diarrhoea.

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Brilliant anology

 

[Greenstorm]

Fakhar should never be dropped. He can be even more effective at 5 considering we lack dynamic middle order batsman.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Imam isn't it chief.

Him playing this series would have wrecked him with the amount of criticism he would receive.

He is terrible against the short ball. Completely clueless. It's time to move on from him.

 

[Kianig89]

Forget the averages and SR

64 65 66 67

That's the difference between Fakhar Imam Saim & Shafiq based on techniques.

Rest you can argue on different aspects.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Fakhar should have been there. He’s much better than these other useless so called fake batters.

 

[sweep_shot]

Imam should play in ODI. He was averaging very well.

Fakhar should play all 3 formats.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Choosing between imam & Ayub is like choosing between vomit & diarrhoea.

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Imam has a proven track record for an opener with close to 50 avg @ SR 83+ which is more than decent for a regular opener with 50+ games when his partner is a flamboyant dasher like Fakhar

Yes he was a bit out of form since the Asia cup last year. Since the team lose every single game his poor form can’t be persisted with , even Babar couldn’t hold his place lol that’s the fate for this minnow team.

For a minnow team like Pakistan Imam is like Lara for them lol

 

[gazza619]

Imam has a proven track record for an opener with close to 50 avg @ SR 83+ which is more than decent for a regular opener with 50+ games when his partner is a flamboyant dasher like Fakhar

Yes he was a bit out of form since the Asia cup last year. Since the team lose every single game his poor form can’t be persisted with , even Babar couldn’t hold his place lol that’s the fate for this minnow team.

For a minnow team like Pakistan Imam is like Lara for them lol

Honestly if the alternative is Farhan, then I would happily take Imam in my T20 XI.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Imam should play in ODI. He was averaging very well.

Fakhar should play all 3 formats.

Fakhar is only suited for ODIs and T20Is.. with his unorthodox style Test cricket is out of his domain

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Selecting SAIM and ABDULLAH over Fakhar was a big blunder. And look at the backup opener, no one else but Haseebullah.

How pathetic this selection can be.

And that selector becomes the white ball coach

 

[RidiculousMan]

Fakhar is only suited for ODIs and T20Is.. with his unorthodox style Test cricket is out of his domain

He was never given a run in Test Cricket. I had always believed if he had. He could've been our Travis Head at no. 5 or 6

 

[sweep_shot]

Fakhar is only suited for ODIs and T20Is.. with his unorthodox style Test cricket is out of his domain

Many batters with unorthodox styles ended up being quite successful in Test.

For example, David Warner was a T20 specialist during his early days. He eventually became a very good Test batter.

Even Shahid Afridi scored some Test centuries (including a matchwinning one in India).

I think Fakhar should play Test.

 

[mominsaigol]

Fakhar is only suited for ODIs and T20Is.. with his unorthodox style Test cricket is out of his domain

He has a test double century and 6 FC centuries?

He only played 3 international tests yet scored 50's in 2 of em?

Pcb is a stupid board. Fakhar in all formats would have been an atg by now had he not been born in pakistan